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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 02:14 GMT
#1368
Maybe we can consider just voting for the other mafia team? I don't think it matters. Just waste of time to kill Damdred tbh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 02:15 GMT
#1370
I am just going to ask my junior tbh. Pure from the interactions in the thread it is more likely to be VE with Damdred/Cow.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 02:19 GMT
#1374
On March 03 2016 11:17 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 11:14 Koshi wrote:
Maybe we can consider just voting for the other mafia team? I don't think it matters. Just waste of time to kill Damdred tbh.

I wouldn't mind asking the host to make this day 24h to speed up the process , but there is no way we are not lynching damdred today.

Hmm I guess that is the best play. Don't see how TT is mafia tbh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 02:19 GMT
#1375
On March 01 2016 11:50 Damdred wrote:
Actually yes I was sort of waiting for FF to respond to me in serousness but hes not, and this is the reasoning behind why I asked FF his read on QOB.

There are a couple of mindsets that you have as town in a game when someone comes after you, like qob is doing to FF.

1) This person is scum trying to discredit me or try to get a mislynch on me.
2) This person after careful consideration is town whos in a tunnel, but they are still town.

Generally especially early in the game mindset one is really prominent especially when information isn't as readily available.

Here is what FF said

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 08:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 01 2016 08:50 qob wrote:
On March 01 2016 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
qob why are you being so arrogant?

For a player of my stature im being quite humble.

I mean, i have found scum, why would i not try to expose them? Please, this is Mafia 101 my friend.

Except you have not found scum so your arrogance is misplaced


FF instead of trying to figure out QOB alignment or even divulge his read on him automatically takes mindset two. It is hinted at strongly by the sentence structure and how he says it, he sees QOB as being misguided and scum can't be misguided for going after a towny, only a town can be misguided.

So FF townreads QOB for going after his team in Sent and FF. I wanted FF to explain his townread, becuase my initial feelings is that FF is scum who slipped because he knows he deserves the pressure.


mafia on mafia?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 02:22 GMT
#1377
Is this guy 100% bussing from the start?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/504019-team-melee-mini-mafia-vi-newbies-and-vets?user=TheCow

imo it is just VE with Damdred. There is way less interaction between them.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 02:25 GMT
#1381
On March 03 2016 11:23 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 11:14 Koshi wrote:
Maybe we can consider just voting for the other mafia team? I don't think it matters. Just waste of time to kill Damdred tbh.


This is actually not the worst idea.

I do hate the idea of today turning into an afk lynch on Damdred. The only downside is if he turns out to be the RoleCop and we also have a cop floating around... eh actually probably not a bad risk, seems likely that Damdred/Cow is the goon.

Besides Damdred possibly being the Rolecop and outing a potential Cop, is there any risk to lynching his team tomorrow so we can spend today looking for the other Scum?

nha it was a bad idea. ignore it. No need to be overconfident.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 02:25 GMT
#1382
On March 03 2016 11:24 sandroba wrote:
@koshi yeah I'm down to VE or sent. only team I can imagine losing to in this scenario is kush+shape.

lol. They are never mafia. I would vote you before them.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 02:30 GMT
#1388
On March 03 2016 11:27 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 11:17 sandroba wrote:
On March 03 2016 11:14 Koshi wrote:
Maybe we can consider just voting for the other mafia team? I don't think it matters. Just waste of time to kill Damdred tbh.

I wouldn't mind asking the host to make this day 24h to speed up the process , but there is no way we are not lynching damdred today.


I think the standard is that if we swithc Days to 24 hours then thats the case for all days.

We don't want to do that, even if the game drags out a bit more.

Do we? In 72 hours I can decide if it is either VE or Sentinel/fefe.

Ohwell. I go to bed. gb.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 02:36 GMT
#1391
Also wasn't VE switching to Rels not rather opportunistic? Knowing Rels scumread him etc.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 16:43 GMT
#1566
On March 03 2016 12:37 Tumblewood wrote:
Finished with Koshi's filter. His position in this game is mostly MARV IS A MILLION PERCENT MAFIA. This was a tactic I used in the very first game I played against my scumbuddy Shape. This is not Koshi's very first game, and I think that this level of tunneling (though he started to consider other possible scum later on) is not a scum tactic. I take it as him just being convinced by this one sign in marv's filter (hedging) and wanting very much to get him lynched. The intensity dying down I'd call scummy (mafia railing someone for a day or two and then laying off when no one takes to it), but he's still going for it a little. Town lean

I actually geniouenly wanted to put pressure on him but he came back with an omgus and then he & his partner triggered me because I didn't sleep for 30 hours and went a bit craycray.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 17:40 GMT
#1576
Can somebody answer me why theCow went instantly full for Sentinel?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 17:44 GMT
#1579
On March 03 2016 15:07 Tictock wrote:
Koshi, you must be a great teacher to allow your partner to nail scum better than you.

Felkyr is actually a really easy townread in general and post #731 from him is never coming from scum.

Team Koshi
Team Sillyname#420

Are forever town imo.

We had Damdred as mafia in our QT. Literally 1 hour before you claimed JK we said Damdred should be mafia and we didn't understand the game.

My junior is a boss. I was really thinking it was fefe/sent + VE but he knew they couldn't be mafia together. That's why I instantly knew Damdred was mafia. Because we were entertaining the idea while he was uncced jk.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 17:47 GMT
#1580
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2016 15:30 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 05:24 TheCow wrote:
I do not understand the point of the philosophy being posted in this thread. It seems like filler discussion to me.

Sential is sticking out to me. I am reading the slot as scum at this point.

The current meta-ing occurring looks like a dead-end and I do not understand why it is still being pursued.

How many games has Viscera played?

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 05:44 TheCow wrote:
#243-244 appears to be an attempt to discredit the attack against Sentinel -- his partner. Leveraging the style of qob as well as his newness to sidestep the read.

Like I really would like to know. Because Cow went after Uon/FF basically from the gecko, even calling them lock scum.

Anyways on to Damdreds filter:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2016 10:24 Damdred wrote:
100% it's always best to go 1 v 1 in this setup.

So how do you think we should read teams sand? Do you think we should desperate and read people separate and just pick the slimmest person and do away with that group?

Funny enough, this sort of reads more of QT slip after this whole fake claim jailer shit. Leik i cant support it, just feelz like that.
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On March 01 2016 11:50 Damdred wrote:
Actually yes I was sort of waiting for FF to respond to me in serousness but hes not, and this is the reasoning behind why I asked FF his read on QOB.

There are a couple of mindsets that you have as town in a game when someone comes after you, like qob is doing to FF.

1) This person is scum trying to discredit me or try to get a mislynch on me.
2) This person after careful consideration is town whos in a tunnel, but they are still town.

Generally especially early in the game mindset one is really prominent especially when information isn't as readily available.

Here is what FF said

On March 01 2016 08:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
On March 01 2016 08:50 qob wrote:
On March 01 2016 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
qob why are you being so arrogant?

For a player of my stature im being quite humble.

I mean, i have found scum, why would i not try to expose them? Please, this is Mafia 101 my friend.

Except you have not found scum so your arrogance is misplaced


FF instead of trying to figure out QOB alignment or even divulge his read on him automatically takes mindset two. It is hinted at strongly by the sentence structure and how he says it, he sees QOB as being misguided and scum can't be misguided for going after a towny, only a town can be misguided.

So FF townreads QOB for going after his team in Sent and FF. I wanted FF to explain his townread, becuase my initial feelings is that FF is scum who slipped because he knows he deserves the pressure.


Big post that throws a lot of Dirt on FF, ox at least trieys to.
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 05:42 Damdred wrote:
Leaves me with tt, rels and ff.

I think this is a good pie place to start with, honestly I think sent and ff should be the first lynch today. The activity and lack of anything I think shows to a scum mindset.

I think rels group is the second, rels scum reads don't make a lot of sense to an extent and he's not being the prescrbse that I think he would generally be.

Tt I likes several of his posts and his tone felt right to me early,

Now any questions?

Scum the Gay gait gaint and FF. This could explain why Damdred voted Relz over FF in the long run, and explains why Dmadred voted FF first.
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On March 02 2016 06:11 Damdred wrote:
FF is a smart player generally who has good reads and besides the cell game he was out of early he rolled scum 3-4 times in a row

I'm the cell game he was taken put of he said that he was super tires of rolling scum and happy he rolled tpwm.

Just from a tone standpoint he 100% shows none of his joy/happiness that he rolled town. Instead it is more of a resignation it feels like.

His dodging of my question and then saying I was stretching my thought on his scum slip. And since then basically hasn't done anything that says town ff.

Sents vote on me also feels super opportunistic without any real thought behind it.

I'll give more reasons for sent in a moment.

More dirt thrown.

Look I am just going to skizp some of the dirt throwing posts on FF/UON.
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 08:34 Damdred wrote:
I could just be terrible reading to much into ff. If he's actually playing tonight tommorow I could get a better read.

I think Rels is scum to though. So I'm Ok with either.

This strikes odd, he spent most of D1 explaining how FF was scum, but yet now does a 180. What is worse, is we know he is mafia. So lets demostrike:
If both wagons are town, mafia does not gain a lot. It also make you look sus. for doing a 180 on your read progression. I guess it could be a move to throw sus. off of you (A WIFOM lynch, lol i thinkz i invented something.)
If FF/UON is scum, you potentially fuck yourself over for switching your vote like that for very bad reasons. Damdred vote was second on the Rels wagon. It would be incredibly ballzwe for that scum team to jeopardize themselves like that.

I want to say it makes FF look more town because it was a play that could get the whole scum team easily caught. But let me look further and see how much pressure he threw on the wagons.
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On March 02 2016 09:15 Damdred wrote:
You have to put me under town now qob

Boss is in and out, Rels is a gut reaction idk about ff another 24 hrs to figure then out if they played wouldn't be bad.

Rels was just acting strangely with how he did things, quite differently then normal. And hi a vote not really caring about the lynch is meh for Rels even if drunk.

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 09:51 Damdred wrote:
I'm voting for Rels team because I expect more of him then going on an off wagon.

He's not picking on the little things as much as I am used to either. While his filter looks good I think it's missing some of the things that Rels does as town.

This is some hard pressuring for me to believe it was 2 townies. He basically just pushed a opportunistic piece of meat without caring about FF. And in experience, if the wagon was town V town, Damdred would just not czare as much... But.....

Unless, ephyincal monment, he took a oppertunsic way to get rid of a strong town player like Rels! I could see that happening. Rels (No offense UON/FF) is seen as a much bigger threat and knocking them off would be a big score for mafia.
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:46 Damdred wrote:
I t hink I can't really say FF and Sent aren't scum here <<.

Neither have really said anything worthwhile, sent has started to try to discredit my claim a bit or at least try to soften it which is kind of scummy in my mind. And FF hasn't really played and Sent hasn't either.

I would lynch them next.

I don't have a super good scum read outside of those two, and i'm hurrying this along at this point.

I have strong townreads on Marv, Koshi

I think they are town: Kush, VE

This leaves me with poe list of FF and TT. I'm not sure I like the TT team being here or not.

And right back to where we Were. With all the other posts, I feel that Damdred was setting up a ML on FF/UON. Which would of been widely support and prob. would not raise much sus. on Damdred. Basically a safe lynch.


Most of the evdince here supports my hypothesus that they are not scum together.

Thank you. I have the same suspicion the entire game already.
That's why I have been saying it is VE or Sandroba.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 17:56 GMT
#1584
On March 04 2016 02:47 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2016 02:40 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody answer me why theCow went instantly full for Sentinel?


He was scum?

It could be that he was simply trying to do something similar to what qod did, they both did meta each other as town.

Isn't it abit odd though that qod never interacted with Cow though?

You'd think if they have experience playing together qod would have been more interested in trying to get a firm read from Cow, but instead just gave a weak meta read with some game examples.

That is weird.

The problem is that I don't have any reason to call team sandroba/qob town. Like a real reason. They haven't really solved this game. They just push the anal team and I don't think those 2 are mafia. Not at all. They ignore all the evidence that make that team town. Which is super scummy.

The easy answer is VE though. I think he also could be mafia. But it feels less right.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 18:03 GMT
#1587
I also think sandroba really respects marv and a lot of the interactions between qob/marv and the nk suggests that.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 18:03 GMT
#1588
the nk happened and I instatnly posted "this nk suggests sandroba in our QT"
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 18:34 GMT
#1608
grtz on being modkilled. Are you dumb?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 18:36 GMT
#1610
time stamps are never allowed. Also why would you do it. It's superlame to quote from the QT like you said.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 18:38 GMT
#1614
Yes sandroba. Nobody else even remotely suspects you.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 03 2016 18:38 GMT
#1615
Dnu. It seems to be not in the rules or I am looking over it.
Still pretty lame.
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