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On February 09 2016 00:04 Trfel wrote: Oh, hey. Long time no see! Yeah it feels like it has been ages. Sorry about that last game we played. I think it was fullmetal Also you should in and ill promise I won't disappear and put in every effort to not be shit. | ||
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On February 11 2016 06:16 Half the Sky wrote: /out Next two weeks are going to be busy as all hell sadly. Im actually really excited for this idk why | ||
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On February 16 2016 06:24 Tictock wrote: I'm here, but just got off work and also thought this was starting later so prob won't be around much till later. Kinda meh about Trfel's open but it's prob NAI. SL starting off with a whole paragraph that says a lot of nothing is about the only interesting thing I see going on. Interesting in what way? Also hi people | ||
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On February 16 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote: Not really what I'm used to from SL. Kinda felt like he was posting just to post as well, but it is the first page of the game. ehh okay i like this response | ||
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On February 16 2016 08:55 Trfel wrote: I would really like to know what Palmar finds suspicious about Breshke, I'm not seeing anything near a 100% suspicion. That said, Breshke... What do you think about sicklucker so far? Particularly his first post, since it drew a lot of attention, but you didn't comment on it. Anyway, I do feel that Palmar is very likely to be town because of meta. As mafia, Palmar doesn't push people in this way. And yes, I still feel comfortable with this read even before seeing the reasons or the followup. I actually thought nothing of it and was avoiding commenting on it because at the time it seemed like he was going to continue the dear diary shit just to get a rise out of people. | ||
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The only reason i understand why people could think it was scummy was what kush said On February 16 2016 07:23 nooniansoong wrote: Who are you worried about spamming? Seems like you are setting yourself up to not give a fuck. but saying I understand it doesn't mean i agree with it. | ||
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On February 16 2016 09:27 Shapelog wrote: I am actually writing a reply to your questions Lol. But about Eden, tbh not a whole lot to go off of (I mean like 4 posts not counting the miller softclaim joke). In those two posts: Set up speculation, Rosukl Town read, Asking if people abject to Miller claiming, Miller claiming. Like why would mafia push Miller claiming AND while speculating that a DT is in a game? Also I don't understand the bolded. If there is a DT in the game isn't it better the aware miller claims? | ||
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On February 16 2016 09:57 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah for sure. The Bolded was talking about how it would be strange for Scum! Eden to speculate a DT being in the game and THEN asking for pro millers claim support. Yeah sorry I somehow read your post completely wrong and thought you were saying he was mafia for thinking there was a DT and wanting miller to claim. But no your post was right and I 100% agree. | ||
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On February 16 2016 11:29 sicklucker wrote: would still vote him untill theres someone better because he claimed vt I have a real problem with this stuff SL. Like in the original quote you say town don't care about "this stuff". This stuff being rolespeculation and finding PR's You then go on to vote eden because you think he isn't a PR. So the only reason you are voting him is because of the stuff you said towns shouldn't care about. There is no logic here. | ||
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Also could you quote specific posts of TT's you found interesting? | ||
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On February 16 2016 12:11 sicklucker wrote: you always have a problem with everything i do. You know this right? probably should focus on otherthings :D h3h3h3 I do know thats why im not calling you mafia. On February 16 2016 12:06 Trfel wrote: I found Tictock's play surprisingly active, I'm not used to Tictock having a larger presence in the game. He also seemed rather relaxed. However, I think I remember Tictock being one of those players who almost seem more involved and willing to interact as scum than as town, I'll check that when I have more time. I feel that sicklucker is slightly more likely town for being both more and less argumentative than I expected. Sicklucker has a very weird stance for mafia to take, and I'm not used to sicklucker admitting that he made an error and trying to work with me as mafia. Last time I was suspicious of sicklucker and he was mafia, we yelled at each other for a while and he just out-yelled me instead of answering my statements. So I actually think he's more likely town. No sorry i meant can you show me the posts you were referring to here On February 16 2016 11:41 Trfel wrote: I found Palmar's push on Breshke interesting, I found sicklucker's first few posts interesting, I found Breshke's response to Palmar's push a bit interesting, and I found some of Tictock's post somewhat interesting. Rsoultin, did you find any of these things interesting? Okay i get your SL read, im just trying to work out what you thought was so important that what Eden was talking about was so unproductive. | ||
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The trefel/eden "fight" really seems like it comes from two towns to me. I agree with eden and i think I understand what trefels argument actually is but don't think it was right since there wasnt really much going on in the thread for eden to be disjointed from but that is my opinion. I said it was a town on town fight because I feel like either one of them as scum could take it to that next level and start shitting up the thread which would push the other player (who would be town in this scenario) to do this as well. I also think Ticktock is town just of how happy/relaxed he seems but I have no idea of his scum meta so this could be totally wrong but im fine with it for today. I would lynch SL just because i can never read him and I don't think with the way he is playing this game I ever will be able to. | ||
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On February 17 2016 08:41 nooniansoong wrote: Underwhelming post from breshke I agree though idk what's wrong | ||
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On February 17 2016 10:59 Tictock wrote: I've played with him a couple of times recently, and have been able to read him as town fairly easily in both of them (maybe that's not true, I forgot when I made up my mind that he was town in PyP). This game I'm scratching my head a bit more. I was leaning scum on him a little based on the early game, but I'm a bit less sure now. Like the dear diary stuff didn't go anywhere but lead to a few dumbtells about him thinking Jat was in the game and such. I'll need to glance at his filter (would do it now but about to do stuff with roommates) and I'll try and get a better read on him. Sorry, that's probably not a very good answer, but it's what I got atm. Okay im interested in this when you have the time. Also hasn't GB been disconected from games recently because of a new job or something which has caused him to have very limited time for games? The fact that all the games he has played while in this new state have been town games doesnt mean you can really associate it with him being town. | ||
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On February 16 2016 09:27 Shapelog wrote: I am actually writing a reply to your questions Lol. But about Eden, tbh not a whole lot to go off of (I mean like 4 posts not counting the miller softclaim joke). In those two posts: Set up speculation, Rosukl Town read, Asking if people abject to Miller claiming, Miller claiming. Like why would mafia push Miller claiming AND while speculating that a DT is in a game? On February 16 2016 23:19 Shapelog wrote: + Show Spoiler [Sick Mafia Stat that while it has not…] + OK so this is great. I was reading R-Girl's Filter and This pop into my head. This is comptlely Off topic and I highly suggest to you to NOT reply to this. IT will clog up the thread and my filter with useless crap. Only thing worth noting is the end. SUPPOSE THAT THE MILLERS are NOT Aware. Cheekey right? I mean we have had everyone post and no one claimed. What if mafia posts a list like Eden's. Saying the Millers sound aware (while knowing somehow either by mafia knowledge or host question). and THEN having their partner claim Miller? Sure, they might run into problems later on. But that would be a amazing play. IMPORTANT INFO So, While I am all for Millers to claim if they are aware. I think we need to be careful since we do not actually know if Millers are really Millers. And if we have a DT, they can not check. Further more, we need to see if there is any associative behavior with the person who claims Miller and with people like Eden who assumes Millers are aware. the first one shows meaningful insight into why edens "setup speculation" wasn't scummy. This makes me think that he has obviously thought about what eden is saying and realised millers are self aware. then the second post he suddenly backtracks and says a bunch of words about not much. I know dumbtells almost always come from town and mafia hardly ever fake them but this isn't really a dumbtell because it isnt about the mafia roles. Like I don't get how the same person wrote these two posts. Scum lean on Shape | ||
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It is actually hard because yes i still don't see how you could make both of those posts but I don't see why you do it as mafia. Dumbtell obviously but that is jsut a MEH reason. I also get the same kinda vibe rsoul said she got where you seem like "fake happy" but that might just be you and im far too lazy to look at your other games to see if that's true. Some people want to lynch shining. What is your opinion on that shape? | ||
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On February 18 2016 03:20 Shapelog wrote: Because I am tired of voting off GB L33t. But Srs. he is prob mafia. I'm not sure if he is reffering to trefel or GB here im fairly sure it's trefel but he doesn't bring it up again when he should 100% be trying to push a counter wagon especially if someone is "prob mafia". I get that he also scumreads SL but it just seemed like the easy way out and he ahsn't explained this read at all. ##Vote Shapelog Also trefel it might not be important now but how do you think that no one responds to you when you point out my early questions went nowhere and correctly idenify this as something I do as scum. Makes me feel that there is scum in people that are more familiar to me and are resigned to not lynching me. Is this a bad assumption? | ||
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On February 18 2016 04:10 Shapelog wrote: Can I Explain it? if this is directed towards me yes please do. Also the people who are voting SL did you read all his posts? There seems to be an important one you need to call BS on before you vote him. | ||
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On February 18 2016 04:12 Trfel wrote: I mean, maybe you're right. Part of the problem is that it's extremely subjective, while I personally feel that that initial question went nowhere, I can see how people would feel that it really did have a point behind it. I can also see how people wouldn't care enough to respond and say so, unfortunately. I think it's probably more of people just not wanting to talk about you, other than maybe Palmar, anyway. I guess it would make sense for scum to push you more than they have, assuming you are town, but I'm not yet sure what that means. Mmm I understand what you are saying. Will backburner this for later probably | ||
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On February 18 2016 04:12 Shapelog wrote: Also, As much as it scummy to do this, How do i not get ML today? explain that post i pointed out and why the person you were reffering to is "probs mafia" Start actually pushing someone and saying why not just trying to find a good counterwagon | ||
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On February 18 2016 04:18 sicklucker wrote: i really dont have the energy to try to figure out a new enigma that is shapelog. can we lynch palmar or tumble Can you explain what you mean by new enigma | ||
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On February 18 2016 04:21 sicklucker wrote: breske what were my bs posts no one noticed. the part where im like I WONT BE HERE TORMORoW DO I HAVE TO CLAIM NOW softs? I never said they were BS i said i don't see how people were voting you without saying those posts were BS. Did TT's vote come before or after you made that post where you quoted three of your own? I understand GB because he probably hasn't read it. Honestly thought more people were voting you On February 18 2016 04:20 sicklucker wrote: a magicly wild sexy wilderbeast im too tired to decipher + Show Spoiler + im too tired to figure out a new person of his volumn and randomness this is weird coming from you since you normally would just not care since you dont like D1 right? | ||
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On February 18 2016 04:52 Shapelog wrote: Is everyone in agreement with Kush? no, its my opinon that you don't claim what blue you are | ||
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On February 18 2016 04:58 Trfel wrote: No don't kill Shapelog I think kill sicklucker for being willing to kill Shapelog after earlier saying that he wanted to be safe and not kill power roles also he literally just said he didnt want to work out shape because he was an enigma, shape then claims blue and now he says he will risk it. Sl did claim blue also though | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:00 nooniansoong wrote: Fine let's switch to GB. I still think shape should claim, because we won't know if there is 2 or 3 prs depending on how many mafia prs there are. So if he claims that makes his claim more easily verifiable or falsifiable. So say he claims vet? Then what? | ||
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On February 17 2016 22:57 sicklucker wrote: I made all these posts and people are probably still trying to lynch me. I expect to return to the thread later dead one way or the other. gl with that I have no time today SL confirm this was a blueclaim. There is no point not talking about it | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:04 GlowingBear wrote: Also, Shapelog, claim your role No stop. Why does everyone want him to claim his role? How is that the good play GB unless you are very sure he is mafia. SHape said he was working on a reads list. If you think he is fake claiming it is also very likely he has no such reads list. Shouldn't this be a higher priority for him to reply to. | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:06 sicklucker wrote: ok breske is role hunting now nice please, we literally were talking about this before you claimed blue people want to lynch you and dont understand that you claimed blue. | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:07 nooniansoong wrote: That's worst case scenario if he's scum and best case scenario if he's actually a pr. If he claims vet then we know he's lying if someone else claims vet. We know he's probably lying if there ends up being too many prs. Or we lynch him if he looks scummy enough after the reads list or another day, because his role is useless anyway. Yeah so why cant we lynch someone else then he claims his role tomorrow when we can actually verify what his power has done. | ||
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I have problems with SL but it is better I talk about it D2 I have no idea who we lynch but im fairly sure it will be one of the less active players. | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options. Who are the valid options? I think trefels post is perfectly justified. Right now my lynch list is shining, GB, scott and palmar. I have not mentioned any of these people before and it is mostly based on activity and how this EoD is turning out. | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:27 GlowingBear wrote: I'm up to lynch Palmar and Kush if SL did really claim \Why not scott or shining? Are you good at reading scott? i don't remember | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options. Honestly though how does tumble post this especially when he isn't voting anyone. Who are the valid options? | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:30 rsoultin wrote: actually yeah shining could totally be mafia for encouraging a claim and then disappearing -_- how is that pro mafia? | ||
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Or it stops town from lynching a blue role/making a last second switch which gives us less information than what we are doing now. It has town incentives aswell | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:41 GlowingBear wrote: People, do you have ANY reason to townread SL? GB i promise you just leave this to D2. I know what your problem is but it is better to leave it to D2 | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:44 rsoultin wrote: o.0 yeah um...no. like seriously, just no. if palmar were that easy to read i'd already have a godread on him @bresh...the only thing i could think of was that gb had a wagon on him and you and tumble didn't, but since he started the wagon it makes no sense Yeah also the fact that when he votes GB he makes it sound more like a placeholder because he is like "Yeah ill be back later" but still in all of his posts he scum read me the only reason i see for voting GB is for preessure but I still think this is the best course of action right now. | ||
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Why not scott? | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:50 The Shining wrote: No one's down for a Tumblenanny? Yes but not enough time to discuss it. Didn't like his posts towards trefel Why are you not in favor of a scott lynch? | ||
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Seriously look at the resons for lynching scott and the reasons for lynching palmar. They are both weak as shit but noone is interested in the scott wagon but me and trefel who if i remember right are your two biggest townreads | ||
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SOMEONE ELSE SWAP TO SCOTT | ||
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im fairly very sure trefel and rsoul are town even if scott is town | ||
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On February 18 2016 06:21 Tictock wrote: Ok so this should be the final vote count. Not sure what to make of that neck and neck vote with scott, and tbh this is a terrible last vote to try to use VCA on. With the leading wagon only being 4 people it's pretty unlikely that all the mafia were there, and it's far more likely that they were spread all over. GB and Shining both trying to start shenannigans makes them more likely to be town kus mafia would prob be much happier to just pile onto the mislynch on Palmar. It's really hard for me to draw any conclusions about scott though. Like there was several pretty last min votes on Palmar, but I know I'm town and I'm pretty sure Eden is as well so that would only leave Tumble as possible scum trying to save his buddy. Idk the votes were all over the place, which might actually mean it was a town v town. do you think scott is scum then? Cos if scott is town then wouldnt mafia not care who they voted and just vote wherever | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:54 sicklucker wrote: im very happy with this plummer lynch the more i think about it. Theres good defeatist meta and if hes a lazy town we teach him a lovely lesson! Why did SL swap his vote to scott? | ||
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On February 18 2016 14:36 rsoultin wrote: lol >< like anyone ever listens to me on GB...although tbf i talk myself out of the right reads on him so maybe that's sometimes okay eh this just reminds me of drams a bit and even though his lackluster posting made me fine with lynching him (on top of being absent) he became more reactive at EoD which is what i associate with his townplay more + trolling lol >< nh, regarding scott...it's hard to explain really but i'll try like if he's scum we should see scum either bussing him for the cred, piling on palmar or at the very least resisting lynching him. GB and tumble both fall into that piling on palmar or resisting lynching him cat...like he flips scum the association is strong there but i'm fairly secure in my shape and eden townreads and the scott wagon looks pretty pristine disregarding sl if i'm right on tumble it doesn't make a lot of sense that scum is both bussing and voting palmar So he doesn't like how trefel just settles on a lynch saying there is a bunch of valid options but he isnt a vote spread with my possible scum all over the place suggests to me that both are town or scum is really disorganized, which i suppose is possible with a mostly afk scum team, but given how the game state i kinda doubt that I think the bolded is a bit messed up? I agree with the essence of this post that the way EoD went down makes me feel that scott is probably town but thats also because I have a hankering that SL is scum but won't be discussing that until tomorrow I also still really have a problem with these posts. On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options. On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote: SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind. On February 18 2016 05:56 Tumblewood wrote: I can't sleep easy if I see any of the other wagons getting lynched over Palmar. ##vote: Palmar SO the first quote he scums trefel for settling on a lynch claiming there are other valid options yet he isnt voting or pushing anyone at the time. Then the next two quotes make no sense together as there is no explanation in between the two to explain why palmar suddenly became the better lynch. He basically did what he accused trefel of doing but in my opinion in a far scummier way. ALSO there is this He says that shining getting shape to claim is pro mafia because it gives them information WHEN HE ASKED HIM TO CLAIM ASWELL. On February 18 2016 04:42 Tumblewood wrote: Claim now | ||
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Also why are you so sure you watched the Vigi? Also you out who it is first to confirm your role | ||
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On February 19 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote: I think that the point about claiming, while it is a contradiction, is secondary to the overall picture of Tumblewood's play. I do find the read switch on Palmar quite suspicious, but here's the thing. If you look at most people's play as mafia, Tumblewood's included (at least, those people who actually try), their filter is largely consistent. They'll scumread someone and keep scumreading that person, and if they start pushing someone else, they'll say why. The way that Tumblewood goes about that read switch in such a careless manner makes me hesitate to scumread him for it, give how deliberate he was with his votes last game. This makes the Palmar switch feel less relevant given Tumblewood's play as a whole. But what else can he do there? He was not pushing anyone because shape was no longer a valid option. What other option as mafia does he have there but to carelessly join one of the leading wagons. Also not to sound like a dick but I don't think you should let one games worth of meta affect you that much. Could you explain the bolded I know you've mentioned you think his general play has been townie but why? | ||
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On February 19 2016 06:37 nooniansoong wrote: vig you suck for shooting SL over scott or GB/ vig probably is GB | ||
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On February 19 2016 06:50 The Shining wrote: This is probably the best post since EoN. Shape you already claimed who you watched. Just finish off the claim with who shot Eden so we can confirm you. no he said he got nor esult, I.E. there is a godfather who sent the kill | ||
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On February 19 2016 06:53 nooniansoong wrote: what else can he do as town? the same exact thing. yeah but there seemed to be no guilt in doing the thing in which he just called scummy. On February 19 2016 06:59 Trfel wrote: I mean, I've played in a lot of newbie games. I'm really good at townreading newbies (sometimes incorrrectly, to be fair). It's just trends that I've seen. I might very well be wrong, but this is just what I think. It's not just that Tumblewood switched to Palmar, it's the way that he did it that makes it feel more like a throw-away. He also could have probably just sat on Shapelog and pretended to AFK or something. Like, if I'm mafia and I'm going to vote on a town vs town lynch that I don't care about, I'll be like "Palmar is mafia because he hasn't been doing things or given any explanations for his reads". Which is a lot better than "I can't stand not lynching Palmar". Which one did Tumblewood go with? If you don't get the newbie trends, and you don't get the meta, then whatever. Tell me when the last time was that you saw mafia, especially newbie mafia, try something as original and time-consuming as written read lists like that? It doesn't happen. Mafia, especially newbie mafia, almost always go their own way. mmm I did forget about the written reads list thing. I need to think more on the bolded. Like your points are very good but i just feel like time was running out for tumble so if scott is town like im thinking at the moment you were right in saying that he could have just afkd and not cared. Who do you want to lynch trefel? | ||
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I come to this conclusion because GB shining and kush were all active around EOD and any of them could have voted palmar instead of their fringe votes. Also the way i remember it the scott wagon came around fairly late and only had me and you (trfel) pushing it so i doubt scum were cutting their losses. So if you think scott is scum his partners are tumble and ticktock or his partners don't care about keeping him alive. | ||
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Also you can't reaction check a vigi so he is scum | ||
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On February 19 2016 12:37 rsoultin wrote: it sounds retarded \o/ therefore we're looking for retarded scum! more seriously, though, shape's behavior around day start makes me want to call him town and dig my heels in, so the only other explanation is shining is scum ccing gb's fake claim thinking it's true, and that the real vig for some reason doesn't feel the need to cc himself... no shining is definitely the real vigi here. I thought GB's claim was more believable at the time but wasnt aware of shinings situation. Idk if GB claiming the shot on the wrong player is alignment indicative or not. The take a bullet play certainly isn't because we are 2 ML from losing but yeah. Unless im wrong on my townreads on trefel or rsoul which im starting to get paranoid about the D1 votes really don't look that good for scott | ||
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Trefel have you finished your vote analysis. I stuggle to see how scott can be mafia and not be with either of TT or tumble and yes i know your scumreads don't have to all fit together right now and its about finding one at a time but yeah | ||
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##Vote:Scott I assume if he is town he is busy or some shit and ive been saying i felt how the lynch went down made him seem town but im just really underwhelmed right now Also rsoul is giving me the heebie jeebies but i cant put my finger on why | ||
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On February 19 2016 22:07 nooniansoong wrote: No. The reason I said well played is I thought he drew the nk with his fake softclaim. ahh i see I feel like it is scummier that you pointed this out yourself than if someone had stumbled upon it because it doesnt really seem that scummy you just seem paranoid. But that read makes me feel really dumb. What do you think about rsoul saying to lynch scott for information when we only get information if he flips scum and if he flips town we get legit nothing. (I know you weren't pushing the information aspect hard rsoul so remain calm) | ||
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DId i miss anything important | ||
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Also from the little of what I read noon looks really townie So lets just pretend my reads are really good and lynch Scott, tumble and TT in that order | ||
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On February 21 2016 14:29 Tumblewood wrote: Breshke really doesn't seem very invested in the game. Filter diving him and I found: + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2016 09:07 Breshke wrote: Well done people DId i miss anything important - Someone who didn't bother to give the thread a cursory read (~7 pages since he was last there) On February 21 2016 01:37 Breshke wrote: Lynch Scott he doesn't care That's a reason, but not a thoughtful one On February 21 2016 09:11 Breshke wrote: So I still think trefel and rsoul are town cos yeah. Also from the little of what I read noon looks really townie So lets just pretend my reads are really good and lynch Scott, tumble and TT in that order The reasons for his reads are "cos yeah" (though it's a pretty common opinion) and none given for the second. He gives opinions but doesn't act like he cares about them. Not to mention the AFKness for the majority of the day So do you think this makes me mafia? Draw a conclusion. I do care about my reads I've though Rsoultin and trefel have been town for like the entire game. Who do you want to lunch next? | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:48 GlowingBear wrote: I have a pact with him in which I don't lynch him day ones At the time I didn't even think this response was scummy and i still don't I do think it is scummy however is that GB hardly mentioned scott D2. This was the only post where he did mention a read on him On February 21 2016 02:35 GlowingBear wrote: I've already gave my reads, the strongest read I had once was Eden being town and sicklucker and Kush being Mafia. I think Truffle is townie although his push on me is weird I think Tictock is townie for the way he is engaging the game. Shapelog is town. Shining is town. I don't know about Breshke, he sounds townish but he doesn't look very engaged to the thread. Sometimes he comes, comment things and disappears. I thought Kush was Mafia but I'm not sure anymore after reading his filter. He seems very engaged in finding scum especially on how he faces Tictock, so he might be town after all. I think Tumblewood could be Mafia out of PoE. Not really strong reasons against him because nothing stands out from his filter but his images, that can be easily done to get towncred. He has done nothing with those "lots of information" after he posted them, and some of them are distorted interpretation of what people say in thread. I think Rsoultin is Mafia because she can read me well and her flip on me doesn't make sense and is very opportunistic considering she is following thread sentiment. I have no idea about scott but I also don't understand his scum read on me which also feels very opportunistic considering I'm his counter wagon and he hasn't commented a single post from my filter IDK feels like GB didnt want to push his teammate? But im not sure why he would care about bussing there so i think im just seeing what I want to see | ||
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On February 21 2016 06:21 Tictock wrote: This would actually strongly indicate that Scott is town. GB was active at deadline, but didn't have any care as to who got lynched between Scott and Palmar. GB may have been trolling this whole game but I still think he'd try to save his teammate. Is this your only reason to townread Scott? | ||
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So imagine the world where it is GB Tumble and Scott Scott is afk and there is 4 votes on palmar and only 3 on Scott. GB and tumble don't want to vote together because scum normally want to avoid that unless they had good justifications for their votes. So tumble votes palmar which brings its to 5 to 3 which is actually fairly safe because the only people voting off wagon are Scott (not going to vote for himself), kush(said he was fine with a a palmar lynch so won't vote to save him and shining who was doing his own thing. But yeah this is all a narrative I've created obviously but I'm just showing there is the situation where the votes arnt that weird | ||
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On February 22 2016 10:37 Tictock wrote: I don't understand. What about your vote was alignment indicative? Especially before we know Scott's alignment... Even if they are both town why do I as scum choose to push Scott over palamr who had a 100% scum read on me and when actually tries is an amazing player | ||
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On February 22 2016 10:35 Tictock wrote: Humm maybe you have a point GB. Looking at the votes again it was 4 v 2 (Palmar v Scott) after I voted for Palmar. This was when GB put his vote on Kush. After that it was Rsoul swapping to Scott that tied the wagons 3v3 but Eden voted at like the same time so it was 4v3 5 min till EoD Tumble and SL voted at about the same time, with SL's switch to scott being what made the wagon's tied. So you are correct that GB's vote came at a time when scott was not really looking like one of the main wagons, but I still feel like it's weird that GB would have kept his vote off by itself if it was Scum v Town. Also if it is town v scum then the other two scum members don't want to both vote the town wagon because that makes them look like shit and they are normally hyper aware of that | ||
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On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote: SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind. On February 19 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: Wow I am regretting my Palmar vote more and more by the hour. The reason I voted was because there were three wagons sitting at two votes (Scott, Shining, and... GB, I think) and I thought they all sucked. They were all effectively p-lynches on people who hadn't been active, and those hit town more often than not. Tumbles filter really confuses me. Top post was pre D1 lynch second post was post lynch. First of all im fairly sure the lynches were never at 2 votes each especially not when tumble ended up voting for palmar and also in the first post he calls people good lynches and in the second he says the same people were bad wagons. I know there was a lynch inbetween so we got more information but i don't really see him using any of that information to make this change of reads. Ive pointed out other disconnects in his posts before and im not sure if it is just because he is a new player or not but he also doesn't feel very involved in the thread and when he is around i feel like he just takes pot shots at people. Still want to lynch scott first because cant risk bringing him to mylo | ||
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also preflip association there of him voting GB to save scott | ||
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On February 22 2016 12:24 rsoultin wrote: so my problem here is while i get not wanting to lynch afk players, i don't get lynching someone he seemed to have at least as a partial townread over the 3 afk players. it's counter-intuitive @.@ yeah this is a really good point | ||
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I feel like if I was tumble Scott or TT the game is really easy and in not feeling that from their posts. Other than TT I don't see them actively questioning the like thread agreed townreads nor do I see them saying "this game is easy it's the other two". I think the best way to say it is keeping their options open? I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself right | ||
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On February 22 2016 13:40 rsoultin wrote: um, you mean, if we think it's easy and poe'd down to the three of them, shouldn't they think it's even more in the bag, since the town player presumably already knows who the scum are? essentially? Yes | ||
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On February 22 2016 15:02 Tictock wrote: It's exactly what I'd expect you to post as scum? I'm not sure how to explain You're assuming what others see the game as and painting a world based on that There's also a kinda circular logic going on. "My PoE is these 3 people, those 3 should share my reads and thus find this easy, it's weird that that isn't happening..." its not just my poe though. its near enough to rsoultins, trefels and noons maybe bar like 1 person. I don't think you guys should share my reads thats the point, either you DO share my reads and its an ez game for you to figure out or you don't share my reads and shit is catastrophically fucked and you should be trying to work out who from the "townreads" is mafia. Like I said you were doing this but tumble and scott arn't Also yes i was assuming how they seee the game but only from information from their posts. | ||
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Why am I scum? What feels off? | ||
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I know you have talked about it all over your filter can we go through your kush scum-read like point by point. He is the person i think is most likely town at the moment. His general game has been great and rsoul made a good point about him and GB having to decide to bus straight away. On February 22 2016 10:48 nooniansoong wrote: ticktock are you named after kesha? also lol theshining remember when you used your vig against eden instead of scott...genius vig shot right there. I also really like this post. It was so out of the blue feel like it would be a weird thing for scum to post. On top of that he was taunting the confirmed town. | ||
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