Shin Megami Tensei: The Devil Inside Mafia

On February 09 2016 00:04 Trfel wrote:
Oh, hey. Long time no see!

On February 11 2016 06:16 Half the Sky wrote:
/out

Next two weeks are going to be busy as all hell sadly.

On February 16 2016 06:24 Tictock wrote:
I'm here, but just got off work and also thought this was starting later so prob won't be around much till later.

Kinda meh about Trfel's open but it's prob NAI.

SL starting off with a whole paragraph that says a lot of nothing is about the only interesting thing I see going on.

On February 16 2016 08:02 Palmar wrote:

100% mafia

On February 16 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote:


Not really what I'm used to from SL.

Kinda felt like he was posting just to post as well, but it is the first page of the game.

On February 16 2016 08:55 Trfel wrote:
I would really like to know what Palmar finds suspicious about Breshke, I'm not seeing anything near a 100% suspicion. That said, Breshke...

What do you think about sicklucker so far? Particularly his first post, since it drew a lot of attention, but you didn't comment on it.

Anyway, I do feel that Palmar is very likely to be town because of meta. As mafia, Palmar doesn't push people in this way. And yes, I still feel comfortable with this read even before seeing the reasons or the followup.

On February 16 2016 07:23 nooniansoong wrote:


Who are you worried about spamming?

Seems like you are setting yourself up to not give a fuck.

On February 16 2016 09:27 Shapelog wrote:

I am actually writing a reply to your questions Lol.

But about Eden, tbh not a whole lot to go off of (I mean like 4 posts not counting the miller softclaim joke).

In those two posts: Set up speculation, Rosukl Town read, Asking if people abject to Miller claiming, Miller claiming.

Like why would mafia push Miller claiming AND while speculating that a DT is in a game?

On February 16 2016 09:57 Shapelog wrote:

Oh yeah for sure. The Bolded was talking about how it would be strange for Scum! Eden to speculate a DT being in the game and THEN asking for pro millers claim support.

On February 16 2016 11:29 sicklucker wrote:


would still vote him untill theres someone better because he claimed vt

On February 16 2016 12:11 sicklucker wrote:


you always have a problem with everything i do. You know this right? probably should focus on otherthings :D

On February 16 2016 12:06 Trfel wrote:
I found Tictock's play surprisingly active, I'm not used to Tictock having a larger presence in the game. He also seemed rather relaxed. However, I think I remember Tictock being one of those players who almost seem more involved and willing to interact as scum than as town, I'll check that when I have more time.

I feel that sicklucker is slightly more likely town for being both more and less argumentative than I expected. Sicklucker has a very weird stance for mafia to take, and I'm not used to sicklucker admitting that he made an error and trying to work with me as mafia. Last time I was suspicious of sicklucker and he was mafia, we yelled at each other for a while and he just out-yelled me instead of answering my statements. So I actually think he's more likely town.

On February 16 2016 11:41 Trfel wrote:
I found Palmar's push on Breshke interesting, I found sicklucker's first few posts interesting, I found Breshke's response to Palmar's push a bit interesting, and I found some of Tictock's post somewhat interesting.

Rsoultin, did you find any of these things interesting?

On February 17 2016 08:41 nooniansoong wrote:
Underwhelming post from breshke

On February 17 2016 10:59 Tictock wrote:


I've played with him a couple of times recently, and have been able to read him as town fairly easily in both of them (maybe that's not true, I forgot when I made up my mind that he was town in PyP).

This game I'm scratching my head a bit more. I was leaning scum on him a little based on the early game, but I'm a bit less sure now. Like the dear diary stuff didn't go anywhere but lead to a few dumbtells about him thinking Jat was in the game and such.

I'll need to glance at his filter (would do it now but about to do stuff with roommates) and I'll try and get a better read on him.

Sorry, that's probably not a very good answer, but it's what I got atm.

On February 16 2016 09:27 Shapelog wrote:

I am actually writing a reply to your questions Lol.

But about Eden, tbh not a whole lot to go off of (I mean like 4 posts not counting the miller softclaim joke).

In those two posts: Set up speculation, Rosukl Town read, Asking if people abject to Miller claiming, Miller claiming.

Like why would mafia push Miller claiming AND while speculating that a DT is in a game?

On February 18 2016 03:20 Shapelog wrote:

Because I am tired of voting off GB L33t.
But Srs. he is prob mafia.

On February 18 2016 04:10 Shapelog wrote:
Can I Explain it?

On February 18 2016 04:12 Trfel wrote:
I mean, maybe you're right. Part of the problem is that it's extremely subjective, while I personally feel that that initial question went nowhere, I can see how people would feel that it really did have a point behind it. I can also see how people wouldn't care enough to respond and say so, unfortunately.

I think it's probably more of people just not wanting to talk about you, other than maybe Palmar, anyway. I guess it would make sense for scum to push you more than they have, assuming you are town, but I'm not yet sure what that means.

On February 18 2016 04:12 Shapelog wrote:
Also, As much as it scummy to do this, How do i not get ML today?

On February 18 2016 04:18 sicklucker wrote:
i really dont have the energy to try to figure out a new enigma that is shapelog. can we lynch palmar or tumble

On February 18 2016 04:21 sicklucker wrote:
breske what were my bs posts no one noticed. the part where im like I WONT BE HERE TORMORoW DO I HAVE TO CLAIM NOW softs?

On February 18 2016 04:20 sicklucker wrote:


a magicly wild sexy wilderbeast im too tired to decipher

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 18 2016 04:52 Shapelog wrote:
Is everyone in agreement with Kush?

On February 18 2016 04:58 Trfel wrote:
No don't kill Shapelog

I think kill sicklucker for being willing to kill Shapelog after earlier saying that he wanted to be safe and not kill power roles

On February 18 2016 05:00 nooniansoong wrote:
Fine let's switch to GB.
I still think shape should claim, because we won't know if there is 2 or 3 prs depending on how many mafia prs there are.
So if he claims that makes his claim more easily verifiable or falsifiable.

On February 17 2016 22:57 sicklucker wrote:






I made all these posts and people are probably still trying to lynch me. I expect to return to the thread later dead one way or the other. gl with that I have no time today

On February 18 2016 05:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Shapelog, claim your role

On February 18 2016 05:06 sicklucker wrote:
ok breske is role hunting now nice

On February 18 2016 05:07 nooniansoong wrote:

That's worst case scenario if he's scum and best case scenario if he's actually a pr.

If he claims vet then we know he's lying if someone else claims vet.
We know he's probably lying if there ends up being too many prs.
Or we lynch him if he looks scummy enough after the reads list or another day, because his role is useless anyway.

On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:

This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options.

On February 18 2016 05:27 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm up to lynch Palmar and Kush if SL did really claim

On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:

This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options.

On February 18 2016 05:30 rsoultin wrote:


actually yeah shining could totally be mafia for encouraging a claim and then disappearing -_-

On February 18 2016 05:32 Tumblewood wrote:

Gives mafia information

On February 18 2016 05:41 GlowingBear wrote:
People, do you have ANY reason to townread SL?

On February 18 2016 05:44 rsoultin wrote:


o.0 yeah um...no. like seriously, just no. if palmar were that easy to read i'd already have a godread on him

@bresh...the only thing i could think of was that gb had a wagon on him and you and tumble didn't, but since he started the wagon it makes no sense

On February 18 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote:


Meh....
Okay

Vote Kush with me then

On February 18 2016 05:50 The Shining wrote:
No one's down for a Tumblenanny?

On February 18 2016 06:21 Tictock wrote:
Ok so this should be the final vote count.



Not sure what to make of that neck and neck vote with scott, and tbh this is a terrible last vote to try to use VCA on.

With the leading wagon only being 4 people it's pretty unlikely that all the mafia were there, and it's far more likely that they were spread all over.

GB and Shining both trying to start shenannigans makes them more likely to be town kus mafia would prob be much happier to just pile onto the mislynch on Palmar.

It's really hard for me to draw any conclusions about scott though. Like there was several pretty last min votes on Palmar, but I know I'm town and I'm pretty sure Eden is as well so that would only leave Tumble as possible scum trying to save his buddy.

Idk the votes were all over the place, which might actually mean it was a town v town.

On February 18 2016 05:54 sicklucker wrote:


im very happy with this plummer lynch the more i think about it. Theres good defeatist meta and if hes a lazy town we teach him a lovely lesson!

On February 18 2016 14:36 rsoultin wrote:


lol >< like anyone ever listens to me on GB...although tbf i talk myself out of the right reads on him so maybe that's sometimes okay

eh this just reminds me of drams a bit and even though his lackluster posting made me fine with lynching him (on top of being absent) he became more reactive at EoD which is what i associate with his townplay more + trolling lol ><

nh, regarding scott...it's hard to explain really but i'll try

like if he's scum we should see scum either bussing him for the cred, piling on palmar or at the very least resisting lynching him. GB and tumble both fall into that piling on palmar or resisting lynching him cat...like he flips scum the association is strong there

but i'm fairly secure in my shape and eden townreads and the scott wagon looks pretty pristine disregarding sl

if i'm right on tumble it doesn't make a lot of sense that scum is both bussing and voting palmar

So he doesn't like how trefel just settles on a lynch saying there is a bunch of valid options but he isnt

a vote spread with my possible scum all over the place suggests to me that both are town or scum is really disorganized, which i suppose is possible with a mostly afk scum team, but given how the game state i kinda doubt that

On February 18 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:

This feels scummy to me... Town doesn't just settle for a lynch like that, especially when there are other valid options.

On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:

SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind.

On February 18 2016 05:56 Tumblewood wrote:
I can't sleep easy if I see any of the other wagons getting lynched over Palmar. ##vote: Palmar

On February 18 2016 05:32 Tumblewood wrote:

Gives mafia information

On February 18 2016 04:42 Tumblewood wrote:
Claim now

On February 19 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote:
I think that the point about claiming, while it is a contradiction, is secondary to the overall picture of Tumblewood's play.

I do find the read switch on Palmar quite suspicious, but here's the thing. If you look at most people's play as mafia, Tumblewood's included (at least, those people who actually try), their filter is largely consistent. They'll scumread someone and keep scumreading that person, and if they start pushing someone else, they'll say why. The way that Tumblewood goes about that read switch in such a careless manner makes me hesitate to scumread him for it, give how deliberate he was with his votes last game. This makes the Palmar switch feel less relevant given Tumblewood's play as a whole.

On February 19 2016 06:37 nooniansoong wrote:
vig you suck for shooting SL over scott or GB/

On February 19 2016 06:50 The Shining wrote:


This is probably the best post since EoN.

Shape you already claimed who you watched. Just finish off the claim with who shot Eden so we can confirm you.

On February 19 2016 06:53 nooniansoong wrote:


what else can he do as town?
the same exact thing.

On February 19 2016 06:59 Trfel wrote:
I mean, I've played in a lot of newbie games. I'm really good at townreading newbies (sometimes incorrrectly, to be fair). It's just trends that I've seen. I might very well be wrong, but this is just what I think.

It's not just that Tumblewood switched to Palmar, it's the way that he did it that makes it feel more like a throw-away. He also could have probably just sat on Shapelog and pretended to AFK or something.

Like, if I'm mafia and I'm going to vote on a town vs town lynch that I don't care about, I'll be like "Palmar is mafia because he hasn't been doing things or given any explanations for his reads". Which is a lot better than "I can't stand not lynching Palmar". Which one did Tumblewood go with?

If you don't get the newbie trends, and you don't get the meta, then whatever. Tell me when the last time was that you saw mafia, especially newbie mafia, try something as original and time-consuming as written read lists like that? It doesn't happen. Mafia, especially newbie mafia, almost always go their own way.

On February 19 2016 12:37 rsoultin wrote:


it sounds retarded \o/ therefore we're looking for retarded scum!

more seriously, though, shape's behavior around day start makes me want to call him town and dig my heels in, so the only other explanation is shining is scum ccing gb's fake claim thinking it's true, and that the real vig for some reason doesn't feel the need to cc himself...

On February 19 2016 22:07 nooniansoong wrote:


No. The reason I said well played is I thought he drew the nk with his fake softclaim.

On February 21 2016 14:29 Tumblewood wrote:
Breshke really doesn't seem very invested in the game. Filter diving him and I found:
+ Show Spoiler +
Not to mention the AFKness for the majority of the day

On February 18 2016 05:48 GlowingBear wrote:


I have a pact with him in which I don't lynch him day ones

On February 21 2016 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:
I've already gave my reads, the strongest read I had once was Eden being town and sicklucker and Kush being Mafia.

I think Truffle is townie although his push on me is weird
I think Tictock is townie for the way he is engaging the game.
Shapelog is town.
Shining is town.
I don't know about Breshke, he sounds townish but he doesn't look very engaged to the thread. Sometimes he comes, comment things and disappears.
I thought Kush was Mafia but I'm not sure anymore after reading his filter. He seems very engaged in finding scum especially on how he faces Tictock, so he might be town after all.
I think Tumblewood could be Mafia out of PoE. Not really strong reasons against him because nothing stands out from his filter but his images, that can be easily done to get towncred. He has done nothing with those "lots of information" after he posted them, and some of them are distorted interpretation of what people say in thread.
I think Rsoultin is Mafia because she can read me well and her flip on me doesn't make sense and is very opportunistic considering she is following thread sentiment.
I have no idea about scott but I also don't understand his scum read on me which also feels very opportunistic considering I'm his counter wagon and he hasn't commented a single post from my filter

On February 21 2016 06:21 Tictock wrote:


This would actually strongly indicate that Scott is town.

GB was active at deadline, but didn't have any care as to who got lynched between Scott and Palmar. GB may have been trolling this whole game but I still think he'd try to save his teammate.

On February 22 2016 10:37 Tictock wrote:


I don't understand.

What about your vote was alignment indicative?

Especially before we know Scott's alignment...

On February 22 2016 10:35 Tictock wrote:
Humm maybe you have a point GB.

Looking at the votes again it was 4 v 2 (Palmar v Scott) after I voted for Palmar. This was when GB put his vote on Kush.

After that it was Rsoul swapping to Scott that tied the wagons 3v3 but Eden voted at like the same time so it was 4v3 5 min till EoD

Tumble and SL voted at about the same time, with SL's switch to scott being what made the wagon's tied.

So you are correct that GB's vote came at a time when scott was not really looking like one of the main wagons, but I still feel like it's weird that GB would have kept his vote off by itself if it was Scum v Town.

On February 18 2016 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:

SL, Shape, gB, shining, Scott, and Palmar are all reasonable lynches; I don't see what makes Scott the better option in Trfel 's mind.

On February 19 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote:
Wow I am regretting my Palmar vote more and more by the hour. The reason I voted was because there were three wagons sitting at two votes (Scott, Shining, and... GB, I think) and I thought they all sucked. They were all effectively p-lynches on people who hadn't been active, and those hit town more often than not.

On February 22 2016 12:24 rsoultin wrote:
so my problem here is while i get not wanting to lynch afk players, i don't get lynching someone he seemed to have at least as a partial townread over the 3 afk players. it's counter-intuitive @.@

On February 22 2016 13:40 rsoultin wrote:


um, you mean, if we think it's easy and poe'd down to the three of them, shouldn't they think it's even more in the bag, since the town player presumably already knows who the scum are? essentially?

On February 22 2016 15:02 Tictock wrote:
It's exactly what I'd expect you to post as scum? I'm not sure how to explain

You're assuming what others see the game as and painting a world based on that

There's also a kinda circular logic going on.

"My PoE is these 3 people, those 3 should share my reads and thus find this easy, it's weird that that isn't happening..."

On February 22 2016 10:48 nooniansoong wrote:
ticktock are you named after kesha?

also lol theshining remember when you used your vig against eden instead of scott...genius vig shot right there.