Star Wars: The Mafia Awaken

On February 03 2016 22:35 marvellosity wrote:
Might be on my best behaviour this game as my other half seems kinda interested in getting in to mafia, and I've told him to read along this game with me

On February 03 2016 23:18 NocturneMage wrote:
Also on the movie itself, was there anyone here who did NOT like Star Wars? A surprising number of people I knew were disappointed, and that's not counting the people that were whining about Han Solo.

On February 03 2016 23:22 Koshi wrote:

We can discuss this once the game has started. I like to keep pregame banter out of my filter.
Movie was ok, but why in gods name the same storyline :/.
Looked more like an homage than a new movie.

On February 04 2016 19:31 Koshi wrote:
##vote Kush

Best lynch by far.

On February 04 2016 22:59 marvellosity wrote:

not sure it makes him more likely mafia, but i definitely don't think it's townpoints either

On February 05 2016 02:12 Koshi wrote:

Pretty sure this is a lie. You also claimed in the thread you didn't know mafia could frame themselves as mafia framer, while arguing mafia probably framed town, while town had a redcheck on a townie.
+
Not doing anything is your scum meta while you multiple times said in previous games that you enjoy playing town and that you cba to ever play mafia. And now you are not enjoying the game and you don't want to play till D3.

=

You are mafia.

On February 05 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:

Any chance this attitude will improve or are we just out of luck if we expect you to play the game?

On February 05 2016 02:25 Rels wrote:

Here is a quote from you from Outlaw mafia:

Explain ?

On February 05 2016 07:12 Rels wrote:

This is also bullshit. You joined the game 11 hours before it started.
I think you are scum playing the "I don't care about this game" card.

On February 05 2016 07:07 Rels wrote:

Sounds like bullshit. In game 1 you say you play bodly as scum, in game 2 you say you don't, and now instead of saying "I was wrong / saying another thing / whatever in game X", you say "Well I WAS RIGHT IN BOTH; you just have to mix the statements like that!"

On February 05 2016 07:47 ritoky wrote:


does your current play have to do with playing 2 games at once or not?

On February 05 2016 08:50 justanothertownie wrote:
Kush if you are town I will be very disappointed. You played so well recently compared to your past performances and now you refuse to play for no reason at all and fuck the whole town over in the process?


Still inclined to lynch this guy.

On February 05 2016 09:43 Chezinu wrote:
Hey noon!

You want to train and become Jedi Knights!?!?

On February 05 2016 20:13 Rels wrote:
OK I'm gone. Lynch list (not ordererd) is:
Palmar
Zyrre
Kush
Onegu
Chezinu

On February 05 2016 20:57 Koshi wrote:
Are you reading the thread Kush?

On February 05 2016 21:51 Koshi wrote:

No. I need to know if you read every post in this game. Or if you skipped things, how you skipped them.

On February 06 2016 00:20 Koshi wrote:
People got to understand that Kush has been playing serious as town, and has been enjoying doing so. This game he is reading the game, following it pretty closely, but he isn't doing his thing, which is make small observations on who is town/mafia. Instead of quoting posts and telling how mafia he is, he can just as easily quote people and tell them how mafia they are.

Last game he was mafia and tried to copy this style but failed and we lynched him. Endgame he said that he hated playing scum and that we should never lynch him if he ever tries in a game. WHICH INDICATES HE WANTS TO TRY IN FUTURE TOWN GAMES AND NOT TRY IN SCUMGAMES.


This game he is not trying.

On February 06 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote:

2 pages before that quote from Rels you took about lynchbait.

This is why Kush didn't want to answer my fucking question about what he read btw.

He knows I can trap him.

On February 06 2016 00:28 Koshi wrote:

You are officially ignored.

On February 06 2016 00:29 marvellosity wrote:

no it isn't

On February 06 2016 00:35 marvellosity wrote:
he doesn't need to talk to you for you to be productive. you also don't need koshi to talk to you to do things. choppity chop

On February 06 2016 00:37 Koshi wrote:

All the posts needed for you to show you are town are already in the thread.

On February 05 2016 15:45 NocturneMage wrote:
Why I have a bad feeling Palmar could be mafia

Palmar - read the following games for a compare/contrast: Tropical Storm, Down Under 3, Generic Boring.

- In Generic Boring, he was dead wrong everywhere but he was assertive as all hell, was n1ed

- Tropical Storm, looks like one right read, one wrong one (Damdred/rsoultin) but here, he goes pushing rsoultin on voting record, and is adamant he knew when to drop a townread on someone/knowing whom to sheep, not seeing that here. Important because a number of people in reading this thread are saying "game is hard" to some extent. They all can't be mafia. A cursory look through Palmar's filter - no strong town reads (i.e. I would sheep so and so)

- Down Under 3 - Here, another example of one of his "absolutist" posts.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490661-mini-mafia-down-under-3?page=52#1026

Checking OP, all but one of these are wrong.

Note: I purposely ignored PYP because a) it was a themed game b) multiple mafia teams

The big contrast for me is tone. I'm seeing a lot of conditionals in this game (i.e. bf might be mafia), and a lot of absolutes in the above three games. Like he's so sure of himself even when he's wrong. The one thing I notice is his main involvement with JAT/marv/Koshi - two of which I'm townreading. Leads into the big contrast is his normal meta of lynching the inactives, the scummy players, etc. I'm looking for a push or even a trifle of anything against the sheer number of lower content players or even (almost universally?) scumread/discussed myself. Nothing.

From Tropical Storm - and I know he applied this in PYP



Finally I re-read his Outlaw Mafia filter for day 1 to refresh his day 1 scum play (go to his filter - read pages 1-3, day 1 ends at page 3) - and I'll be honest - his game so far here is a lot closer to his Day 1 play in Outlaw. I think people should read it - there's a lot of missing town tells that were present in the three games I discussed above.

On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:

VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush.
This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash.

On February 04 2016 08:25 Zyrre wrote:
Sweet, I like being town. A lot less pressure.

Not saying ritoky is scummy, after reading his later posts I actually think he is more town. Still doesnt make NM's reasoning better though.

On February 06 2016 01:05 marvellosity wrote:

are you on drugs?

this entire post is nonsense

On February 06 2016 01:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
also @ kush/marv anyone non retarded here -

What do you make of this random NM/VA = 1 scum thing thats developed and we have to shoot/lynch us or w/e?

stupidest thing ive ever read in my life, scummy or morons?

On February 06 2016 03:32 justanothertownie wrote:

You are aware that you are a way better policy lynch than Onegu, right?

On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:

This.
Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town?
You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town.
Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD

On February 06 2016 03:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Can people in the policy lynch category or advocating policy lynches explain why they are opting for the policy lynch over Palmar? (Koshi excepted, since he already did).

Noon, having played in NSM18 and you tried to pull the same thing on Onegu, can you at least state where you'd put your vote or if I had to give you a hammer who you would hammer for a scum lynch?

On February 06 2016 03:52 justanothertownie wrote:

Koshi isn't policy lynching. You can lynch kush for policy or because this fits his scummeta better than his townmeta.

Pure policy lynches would be Chezinu, Onegu and Moosy.

On February 06 2016 04:04 disformation wrote:
bleh please don't talk about associations when we can't even decide who the wagons are.
can't read noon/kush for shit tbh and have reservations about lynching palmar.

On February 06 2016 04:16 Rels wrote:

Then why did you post this post:

You want to lynch the same people I do except you (duh) and Palmar (not a lynchbait). What is your thought process here ? "This guy wants to lytnch the same people than me but I will make a negative post about his lynch list". Explain ?

On February 06 2016 04:19 NocturneMage wrote:
That said on Zyrre, still looking for a read on Palmar, he has a question pending to Noon. Not sure if Noon answered that though.

On February 06 2016 04:23 NocturneMage wrote:
At Noon -

On February 06 2016 04:26 Onegu wrote:
So I took meds. And now have to help my mom with something. Need to put my vote somewhere for now.

##Vote JAT

On February 06 2016 04:27 NocturneMage wrote:


Same question I said to Rels I will say to you, I pointed out a caveat - he did not have time to play the game most of the cycle. Tell me if that adjusts your expectations. He even stated that in his list post (more or less).

On February 06 2016 04:28 NocturneMage wrote:


Regardless of your alignment, this is pathetic from you.

On February 06 2016 04:32 Zyrre wrote:


If it was activity, why did you go from town to null right after one of my posts? And then removed town-read after another of my posts?

On February 06 2016 04:34 NocturneMage wrote:


So let me articulate this better to use an example from his post

One point against him was how he took the ritoky thing out of context. He ignored the early game play and focused more on the mid cycle. Having enough time to read that one-liner doesn't equate to having enough time to read the thread, read filters in context and then draw a more informed conclusion. How do I know this? I felt I had better reads/understanding cases when I had the 5 hours I did early this morning to read through a shittonne of filters, weed out some people, etc.

Do you understand now what I'm trying to say?

On February 06 2016 04:35 disformation wrote:
Think I need to look at noon's filter.

On February 06 2016 04:36 nooniansoong wrote:

yes definitely. but he could have interacted early game or something. he could have done stuff when he was there, but he didnt.

On February 06 2016 04:46 disformation wrote:
Alright. Whatever probably being stupid and stubborn here.
Also some good points on zyrre on the last page.
Don't like that noon didn't want to be a jedi knight with chez.

On February 06 2016 04:49 Rels wrote:

Have you played any scum game that is not in the database ?

On February 06 2016 04:53 Rels wrote:

/discuss
I feel that this kind of post is very hard to make for scum.

On February 06 2016 04:59 justanothertownie wrote:

No, it wasn't. That's exactly what it is: pathetic. He is putting his vote on me because he doesn't like me as a person. I seriously hope he replaces out like he should if he is so sick that this is everything he can do.

On February 06 2016 05:06 justanothertownie wrote:

Why would he? There is exactly 1 vote on him.

On February 06 2016 05:08 justanothertownie wrote:

No. To me it seems like YOU and Palmar will be the 2 wagons. Although Zyrre wouldn't be a bad lynch either in case something changes my mind about Palmar.

On February 06 2016 05:10 justanothertownie wrote:

Nope. I just agree that your play this game is far closer to your scum than to your town meta and have no problem sheeping Koshi when he is this convinced.

On February 04 2016 19:48 Palmar wrote:

I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh.

It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter.

On February 06 2016 05:26 boxerfred wrote:

Wait. So if it's against the rules, but you draw conclusions from something that's against the rules, does that mean you broke the rules?

On February 06 2016 06:10 disformation wrote:

zyrre, boxer, ritoky, noon
Tells me that apparently all the ppl are pretty with where their vote is or they do not care. Which makes me nervous.

On February 06 2016 06:26 NocturneMage wrote:
I have never played with Chezinu, does he ALWAYS play like this?

On February 06 2016 06:40 boxerfred wrote:
lol noonian voting zyrre i want to lynch both

On February 06 2016 07:59 Palmar wrote:
i thought i was safe, sorry

gg

On February 06 2016 08:15 Rels wrote:

No.

On February 06 2016 11:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I'm not lolol

On February 06 2016 11:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:
hm...bit conflicted on the Zyrre lynch. I feel like it was an okay lynch considering D1 but Palmar's wagon was a lot more interesting. ^^

On February 07 2016 00:31 Koshi wrote:

I stood up this morning (4pm) thinking you could be mafia. But maybe not.

On February 07 2016 02:04 marvellosity wrote:

Explain where I'm being 'douchey' or I will lynch you at my earliest convenience

On February 06 2016 21:14 marvellosity wrote:
Doesn't matter if you like the reasons tbh.

On February 07 2016 03:35 marvellosity wrote:

Scummy from you because you've played with me enough to know this is a likelier town post from me

On February 07 2016 07:56 marvellosity wrote:
My other half says vayne is a moron and kush sounds like an old miserable man

So those are my reads

On February 07 2016 07:58 Koshi wrote:

You would shoot me. 100%.

On February 07 2016 08:44 Koshi wrote:
I also want to point out how Kush was here right before EoN and then disappeared. Probably with a big smile on his face.

On February 07 2016 10:47 Koshi wrote:
It is actually possible lol

On February 07 2016 23:20 disformation wrote:

Would be more impressed if you like had some reads to share or something.

On February 08 2016 00:27 Rels wrote:
Yo bro who is scum ? I'm reading Koshi's filter and I'm not impressed.

On February 08 2016 01:06 Rels wrote:

He agrees there is something weird on Palmar, but prefers lynching a guy that he never talked about apart for a post where he townreads him AND is being voted by his super scumread ? There is no sense here.

On February 08 2016 01:13 Rels wrote:
Both ritoky and Damdred townread kush too.

On February 08 2016 01:17 Rels wrote:

To save Palmar and get Zyrre lynched instead ... kinda important right ?

On February 08 2016 01:22 Rels wrote:

There is no logic as to why Koshi voted Zyrre when (1) he townread him in the only post he talked about him (2) YOU (his scum nemesis) voted him and (3) he was kinda agreeing that something was wrong with Palmar.

On February 08 2016 01:41 Koshi wrote:

I was just going to say that.

On February 08 2016 01:54 Rels wrote:

So like 3 pages / phase ? Seems average.

On February 08 2016 02:05 Koshi wrote:
Remaining mafia is going to be in the lynchbait (Chez/MD/Onegu/darthfoley)

On February 08 2016 02:10 Koshi wrote:
Why be around for EoN then?

On February 08 2016 04:23 marvellosity wrote:
I also said objectively I thought Zyrre had the highest chance to flip mafia even while leaving my vote on palmar

Everything I've done makes sense because it comes from a town perspective so it's easy for me to explain

On February 08 2016 07:42 marvellosity wrote:

you're mafia

you can't be so dumb to not understand that an afk Palmar will likely become not-afk at some point

Palmar has 80 games played. find me one where he stays afk the whole game past d1 and i won't try lynching you for saying things you cant possibly believe

gogoogogogo

On February 08 2016 07:47 marvellosity wrote:
what if i stop talking to you because you're either trolling or scum?

On February 08 2016 23:04 disformation wrote:

Not sure what you are trying to say here.
If he is scum trying to not encourage discussion and stuff this day is pretty legit.
Or are you trying to say that you think he is town?

On February 08 2016 23:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
the only question I have for Palmar is why was he clearly here and chose to just lurk the thread and vote at the last second, who does that as town

On February 09 2016 00:04 VayneAuthority wrote:


That doesn't really explain anything though. I can handle afking this long since ive had to do the same once in a while but I've never seen some one that wasn't scum do a last minute vote like that to save himself after afking lol. and ive seen quite a few of them

On February 09 2016 01:47 disformation wrote:
@VA: actually NM does not like to use meta if he can get his reads otherwise, remember?
@NM: You said VA was pushing you D1 but dropped his read on you cause he couldnt get you lynched. Couldn't this possibly come from town and be a simple re-evaluation? I mean your first bunch of posts was not very good, so I can see that coming from town. :p


Also fun fact: being biased and not approaching things from multiple angles is a scum tell for NM. =D

On February 09 2016 10:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Kush I got a question for you. Can you tell me what happened to your read on Zyrre read from post 1 of page 3 of your filter to post 3 to post 4 and post 10 on page 3 of your filter?

On February 09 2016 11:05 LightningStrike wrote:

Did marv threatened to beat you up on your original read on Zyrre?

On February 09 2016 22:28 LightningStrike wrote:
Morning guys I just woke up and saw Marv and dis going after boxerfred a little bit there. Also boxerfred did case Chez too. I prob should read both filtesr soon but kinda tired. Also I find it amusing that Chez is accusing Koshi of shooting ritoky lol.....

On February 09 2016 23:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Kush I will blunt I think Koshi will flip a higher chance of scum over you but I had questions regarding your Zyree read progression because it felt weird that was all.

On February 09 2016 23:30 disformation wrote:

I can see your 1) point on LS coming from a town mindset. Otherwise I think I like this. Need to reread VA.

You have a TR on boxerfred, but couldn't find an explanation in your filter. TBH you like don't talk about boxer at all. Could you explain your TR on boxer?

On February 09 2016 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:

I kinda mad you can't seem to read me.... Unless you man if you were wrong on your townread it would of been me,md, and darth?

On February 11 2016 04:26 boxerfred wrote:
Wait, noon is still in the game lol?

On February 11 2016 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:

Explain please?

On February 11 2016 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:

Explain please?

On February 14 2016 09:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Chez is probably lying. There's a pretty large logical fallacy in his claim as I already stated. xP But if we have 2 mislynches we're in a good spot anyway.

On February 16 2016 00:16 disformation wrote:

If chez is not lying and one of us is miller the other one is conf. scum... or also a miller. xD


nope. asked him the same. hasn't answered.
actually asked him a bunch of questions he didn't answer so far.