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I'm fine with it as long as people understand I'm a terrible coach. | ||
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On February 03 2016 11:12 GlowingBear wrote: All I need from you is to answer questions I direct to you ![]() I need to know if you're willing to so this, because I seriously need a fresh new view of how to play the game Yeah it's fine, I'm just managing expectations. I really am a bad coach ![]() | ||
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On February 03 2016 22:35 marvellosity wrote: Might be on my best behaviour this game as my other half seems kinda interested in getting in to mafia, and I've told him to read along this game with me I will tilt you so hard day 1 | ||
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On February 04 2016 05:27 darthfoley wrote: what's the active player base like on TL? Mostly assholes | ||
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I just can't remember what it was | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:09 disformation wrote: Really? I remember looking for star wars themed mafia games after watching the movie and I wasn't able to find one. Not impossible for me to have missed that though. didn't you claim to be present and accounted for last game too? | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:12 nooniansoong wrote: yo watsup im town. im going to be voting exclusively for plynches day 1 and 2. That's my new strategy. If you don't like it you can lynch me. ##vote mooseydoosey This would probably increase your chances of hitting mafia significantly. Consider RNG voting in the following days. | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:26 marvellosity wrote: Hi. I'm not really here. fake afk noted | ||
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on a quest to find our long lost scumbuddies | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:10 ritoky wrote: can we lynch jat for not being a top10 player? I am actually genuinely okay with this. We policy lynch jat for being a liability if town and well.. scum if scum. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:20 ritoky wrote: bunch of people made top 10 lists in player rankings 2015 thread, jat was not on them and huffed and puffed about it. he was actually relatively restrained, but I could see the vein on his forehead about to burst here from iceland | ||
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@disfo: I want a "weak" read on everyone that has posted in the game yet or I will lynch you. I don't want any null reads, you can only answer with "scum" or "town" and an explanation why | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:28 Damdred wrote: I have my quick read on you written down. am trying to focus on scummy things like my hero palmar tells me to. I think hero is a bit pompous for my taste, I think maybe a "savior" would be better suited for me. | ||
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On February 04 2016 18:13 ritoky wrote: I don't fully agree with this statement cuz I don't think Palmar was that aggro early in Outlaw...I was the more aggro early mafia in Outlaw on our team, but I agree with the sentiment. There were anime question marks floating above my head when Palmar was cheaply given town reads....you know he is like....good at this game and shit....right? + Show Spoiler + but then again i can just spam lynch palmar in the thread and if i get shot you know he is mafia. that's what i learned from outlaw obsqt To be fair, if you did this and I am mafia, I would shoot you, every time. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:41 disformation wrote: Ah, that thread. Didn't really pay attention to that. Uhhh. Well let us try. Warning most of those will suck hard. weak flower town reads: Damdred: already explained ritoky: already explained jat: not giving a single flower when getting voted on palmar: scary palmar is scary and will see me hanged weak flower scum reads, pretty much all for being here without trying to advance the game / posting to post: koshi: was here didn't do anything darthfoley: was here didn't do anything Zyrre: was here didn't do anything. Like him a bit more than the others, since I feel the same as he described in his first and only post so far. xD marv: was not here didn't do anything This post is ok. I am especially pleased that I managed to coerce a townread out of you. It makes me far more happy when people townread me out of fear or because I force them to, than when they do it because I look townie. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. by he I mean ritoky the point is, he broke down every single thing ritoky said and I didn't get the impression any of it was just "meh" If ritoky is mafia because of the post he made it's because one of his reasons or something is bullshit. | ||
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indeed also he has not said anything smart yet, which might be alignment neutral for him, but he has also not said anything he himself believes to be smart, which might be scummy. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:20 ritoky wrote: how did you read his restraint when i was poking him with a stick? indicative in any way? poking him with a stick? you mean when we were being mean to him because forever #11? He answered exactly as I would have expected him to answer, I think it was actually funny | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:24 justanothertownie wrote: No. Disfo seems excited/somewhat carefree which is fine but not a strong argument. Otherwise not at all. You won't annoy me with the top 10 stuff and I didn't "huff and puff" about it. I didn't even bring it up. I was just annoyed when Artanis showed that he had no idea what he was talking about regarding my performance last year. :D "I was totally not annoyed about the list" "The guy who made the list is a moron" such butthurt | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:35 marvellosity wrote: makes me want to go after disfo out of petulance, tbh. where in that post was he petulant? | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:37 Koshi wrote: This sentence I can agree with. Also for the amount of posts ritoky made I don't know about him yet. Which is odd. it's because they're long and I stop about 50 words in. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:44 marvellosity wrote: my own petulance that he's not scared of throwing me a weak scumread like he is you :> oh ok. Well, I did threaten to lynch him, you less so. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote: is it me or does this post not make any sense? he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me ? I ritoky is mafia and conjures up 6 points about a post from disformation, it is unlikely that every single one of them is genuinely disagreeable with bf. For example, he could have written the smiley = joke point off as meh. It's similar to how mafia tend to way overquote when they build cases because they're trying to paint every single thing scummy, when in reality you usually catch people on one single thing or one post or some other minor subset of their entire filter. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:49 marvellosity wrote: carry on with your business, gentlemen. well what do you think? | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:49 marvellosity wrote: i'd been in work 3 minutes when you made this post D: Such a coincidence! | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:51 ritoky wrote: that was surprisingly bad from marv lol. he's sort of rusty and bad by now. although confirmed town because game still going. | ||
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you chose the less enlightening option. Does reading the thread include all of ritoky's big posts? | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:02 ritoky wrote: says the guy who "gives up after 50 words" but I read those 50 words with a passion | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:04 marvellosity wrote: I've read them in a "my eyes went across all the words" kinda way, yes so what do you think of ritoky? | ||
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I find it weird that he would go after the entirety of ritoky's post, it's a massive stretch, but I guess there's not really much that has happened in the game, so maybe stretches are the best he's got. He's at least actually trying to do something. I like that he actually is keeping the pressure on ritoky despite some pushback, this last post about ritoky just rehashing the information sounds like genuinely believes that he has something there. | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:17 ritoky wrote: if you actually think i am scum, then i might have to start spamming lynch palmar. I'm talking about bf, not you. meh~~ | ||
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I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:24 marvellosity wrote: that's silly. we talked about this on irc, multi-family teams are almost designed for mafia to be able to look super good. pun intended the basis of the townread was not that though, the original reason he got townread was activity + wanting to take dreamflower. He correctly predicted I'd talk him out of it. It was very impressive. | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:39 Koshi wrote: The only thing impressive about that game was the town. There weren't enough lynches in the game to kill all mafia. As soon as superbia had to lynch 1 townie he fell through and get massively scumread between the easiest misslynches in the world. It isn't hard to look townie when you can actually lynch mafia EVERY FUCKING DAY for 5 days straight. koshi is VA scum? | ||
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make marv give opinions on things, make jat actually play | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:44 marvellosity wrote: *shakes head* pretty bad because you know i can never be drawn on things when i don't want to be and you know i'm always slow at the start. why you say these things this is only partly true. You tend to be slow at actually doing things (trying to lynch people), but you do poke an opinion here and there when you're town. | ||
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Must be superpowers I'm really gone now | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:47 marvellosity wrote: no it's completely true, and i already said a couple of things. if i'm playing the game as mafia then i would also give an opinion or two on things in short, what you said is 100% pointless. do you genuinely believe that you would post similar or same opinions as mafia and as town? | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:28 Rels wrote: That's true. Palmar, you spent all game lynching scum last game until you died AND you did say that a scum would always slip in your townreads. I have no idea why you feel like "This game is going to be painful"; it doesn't make sense after your amazing reads last game. yeah there's a difference though. even with 6 players alive I basically wrote him off as town (him and only him, I kept _everyone_ else on the table). But screw it it's not like it really matters. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:34 marvellosity wrote: jat: i don't have a particular opinion on Palmar now that's a lie, but you may not have one on my alignment this particular game. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:36 justanothertownie wrote: Ok. Sounded like you agreed with Koshi there. I agree with Koshi | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:38 justanothertownie wrote: That alone should make you mafia :D Good Koshi figured out that Palmar is town. I agree. Also, we're mason buddies. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:44 justanothertownie wrote: That's also something I have trouble seeing Palmar believe. Yes, he did read and "catch" marv on small things like this before but that post is definitely not something only townmarv would say. No, why not? There is a very easy explanation (and there's also a reason I say technically). When I'm town and marv is mafia, he doesn't like dealing with me. He generally sort of avoids it and tries to take the high road of "i'm always shit early / day 1". There's also a tone thing (which is usually how I catch him, he just sounds off) which often involves him lacking the standard marv sass, if only just slightly. So when he actually sort of engages with me and questions me, while also remaining sassy enough to fire back a joke like that (it's a reference to me saying the same thing to him earlier in the game), it feels both tonally right and situationally right. now the problem of course is marv is good at mafia, but seeing as he quit a game recently just because he rolled one, it's super hard for me to believe he'd actually try this game as scum, instead of just trying to afk through a day or two in hopes of picking off players who might get him lynched,. Do you genuinely believe that this is irrelevant or do you think my explanation is reasonable? | ||
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in outlaw the fact that he was a constant scumread of so many people despite him being wishy-washy, unsure and sort of meek compared to normal should've been at least an indicator there might be something up. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:59 Palmar wrote: if anything that's towny from jat rels essentially, being cocky and sure of himself fits jat's personality, unlike me who is eternally humble he simply hasn't grasped that his eternal quest for validation is only making him pettier by the day. | ||
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On February 04 2016 23:29 Rels wrote: So if we read Palmar's filter and know what to look for, we could find a tell that Palmar is town ? We should just threaten to lynch him until he coughs it up | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:46 Onegu wrote: Hey rels keep trying to policy lynch me I hear it works wonders. it's not a terrible idea, you have a knack for rolling scum | ||
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On February 05 2016 07:21 Rels wrote: Amaze me. You have 12 hours to do it. I wanna be amazed when I wake up. yeah not happening, gonna play cs, walk dog, then sleep | ||
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free compliments for anyone who switches? not read anything since yesterday so no analysis though | ||
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i really am not mafia | ||
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It's probably mechanically the right play to shoot me, although of course I'd like to not die, and there are personal/palmar-specific reasons to not shoot me. Essentially, I'm basically just hoping there isn't a vigi so I can get the day to argue. Or, alternatively, the vigi is some kind of a Palmar whisperer that knows my play yesterday is probably not mafia Palmar (I am much more likely to try my hardest to find time to play or just post when mafia, because I feel like I have an obligation to my team). If there is a vigi and he shoots me, then so be it, fair enough. If I survive I promise to not make it a wasted auto-lynch day (those suck for town, and are the reason that it's mechanically the right play to shoot me. Auto lynches mean like 72hours of barely any discussion and it kills town interest very fast, especially are they bad when they end in a disappointing town flip that gives you no information). I will argue for my life and make people explain things to me. A part of me really wants to not die, because this "Palmar against the world" scenario that's going to happen tomorrow is certainly going to be exciting (and exhausting). I do love when everything is about me ![]() If I die, good luck guys. I'm not really up to date enough to dump any reads for you. What I wrote on early day 1 is probably more relevant whan whatever I may think now. So yeah, see you tomorrow, hopefully. | ||
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First person up should really just explain why he personally thinks I'm mafia. I'll probably also try to write a few words about why I'm not. I am very behind this game, so I will probably focus more on why I'm not mafia than figuring out who is mafia (although it's not unlikely the two might end up going hand in hand). There's a bunch of people (everyone but me) who isn't set to be killed today, so I'd expect those people to do the scumhunty stuff. | ||
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On February 08 2016 20:12 marvellosity wrote: Also, rather importantly, you decided to show up at 1 minute before deadline. That's a conscious decision. A decision that you're very much aware of when the deadline is, you're thinking about it, you've come on at that exact time and not half an hour or an hour early to make your apologies for absence. 'splain? I thought, with you moving your vote off me, I would be safe. I for some reason was almost certain I wouldn't be the lynch. As for real life stuff, I was at the time playing boardgames with my family at my parents' house so I wasn't vigorously checking my phone. I'm actually a bit confused having skimmed over the voting later as to why exactly I figured I was safe, because it's not like I was ever way behind zyrre in the voting. I actually almost fumbled moving my vote to safe myself on the phone, which I decided to do in any case (I had no idea jat would switch, of course). | ||
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On February 08 2016 20:18 marvellosity wrote: what about the rest of literally the whole of Friday that you gave no warning at all you'd be absent for? I did not intend to be absent (I actually went into this game, having a shadow and all, decidedly wanting to sort of try to do a bit of leadership again.). I guess I could've popped in to say I would be busy, but I just didn't. Do you think that if I had done that anything would've changed? I sort of doubt it. Do you think I'm more likely to go absent as mafia? (I of course don't know, but I THINK that I'm more likely to go afk as town). | ||
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Sad jat died. To me he was basically confirmed town (there's no way scum jat would not want to get rid of me day 1). | ||
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On February 08 2016 20:27 marvellosity wrote: So I should also be confirmed town to you, yes? I think you're town, but confirmed? | ||
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Eh... the situation is different. You indirectly saved me, while jat directly did it. It's not a 100% thing but sure. I made an explanation back on day 1 anyway. If you're playing strong scum that doesn't concern me as I will likely be long dead. So I'm, yes, treating you as confirmed town essentially. | ||
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On February 08 2016 20:24 marvellosity wrote: you asked for reasons and i literally talked about this in the quote i gave ![]() Oh, I just ignored the quote, I talked about the rest of the post. I sort of explained it anyway. I haven't gone back to check my filter and confirm, but the main thing is I didn't really find anything to lash onto on day 1. My day 1s are generally helped when I find something to tunnel a bit to see how people react. I didn't really find anything that really sounded scummy on day 1 so I ended up doing more generic things. The main problem, of course, is I disappeared on friday. And it's fine that people don't like it, I did not intend to do so, but I ended up doing it anyway. To be honest most of your post just talks about what should happen in case I decided to flip my read on you because reasons. The only accusation is "made a bunch of posts, they don't sound like he's trying to find mafia". Which is really just a feelings thing. I feel like my "force disfo to give shitty reads", my point about how you were treating me (the sassy-marv post), my point about boxerfred (although I think I saw him flip his shit over nothing, which was strange), were all things that were useful towards solving the game. | ||
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On February 08 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote: okay. you should understand why i'm forcing you into this read ![]() well now that I realized that you wrote a post saying "if palmar comes back and scumreads me, he's mafia" I'm glad that I didn't? | ||
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On February 08 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote: okay. you should understand why i'm forcing you into this read ![]() I guess you have the leverage to do it anyway. ![]() I literally have negative weight this game now. I'm defying gravity | ||
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On February 08 2016 20:26 marvellosity wrote: this is from one of your afk-mafia games, which do exist. 100% town on meta town palmar didn't: 1) excuse himself when afk 2) throw out a bunch of awful reads 3) beg for not being lynched QED Can I go home now? | ||
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On February 08 2016 20:42 marvellosity wrote: yes, this is actually true. I do stuff like that too :> here's the thing Palmar - there's no way you're going to be able to convince the thread so far, based on your play and the timing of your post + vote on day 1, that you are not mafia. Because if you were checking the thread to know that I'd unvoted you 50m before the deadline, you should have placed your vote there and then, rather than waiting to the last minute. You did it 1 minute before deadline. I think, as town, you would be saying you should be lynched for that alone. I said I should (mechanically) be shot. And I had no read on zyrre and I couldn't be arsed posting on my phone. I am surprisingly often aware when i'm about to be lynched as town (I was totally around in dark tournament, I was just playing another game). I ended up making the decision to actually switch my vote because I'm vain and I won #1 power ranks and decided getting lynched day 1 town after that was shitty. | ||
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You see, town Palmar doesn't just make up reads in a game he has barely read. | ||
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I really am not mafia, but because I'm not going to fight or try then you have to lynch me anyway so that's life. I tried starting filters like 4 times today and just couldn't summon the energy to do it. Good luck. | ||
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On February 16 2016 09:39 Half the Sky wrote: First a few apologies for some confusion. OP was not clear, I discussed with 1-2 other veteran moderators some potential solutions to a situation where scum no-shot in a mandatory shot game. Obviously this doesn't account for a situation where multiple members of the scumteam were alive should this happen, that's a more tricky situation I would think. Other alternatives had other downfalls that I discussed. Next time I have a mandatory shoot game the OP will be clearer on how failure to submit will be handled. Second thing is the balance. The role distribution itself was okay, but I made the general mistake of not collectively upgrading my m13 roles (as I discussed in the observer QT) for larger games, medic was a bit underpowered and I should have considered the strongman, although technically conditional, a mandatory kp. Thus, mafia really had one too many kp. So I take responsibility for those things and I will sort those out next time. Admittedly not for awhile due to real life, but still. That said in a separate post, I'll address a few of the new-ish players from a pure gameplay perspective. I'm really glad to see some of the newer players challenge themselves with the larger games. mafia had 1 too many kp, town had 1 too many blues, it was essentially balanced, just a bit swingy | ||
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On February 16 2016 21:54 Half the Sky wrote: Hopefully your other half liked what we had here, maybe will sign up in the future for a game someday? ![]() his other half is jelly because marv and I have special relations clearly | ||
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