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On February 08 2016 07:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote:On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote:phoneposting On February 08 2016 05:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:I like your spicy post NM.  )) So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question? I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case. bruh, do you seriously expect my thought process to make sense?
It did in Drams and it did in Fullmetal. Compared to those two games as town your gameplay if town here, Moosy, is well below par.
Fullmetal was my last encounter with you. Your filter here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?user=MoosyDoosy
Is way the hell more useful, logical, and you had votes on scum I think all game.
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EBWOP - at Moosy - Well the "votes on scum" is irrelevant considering you bussed the shit out of your roleblocker in newbie 14, but my original point stands, you are completely useless this game and despite you not liking town, your town play in Fullmetal was better than it is here.
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Ergo, yes, there is some expectation that your thought process should make a shred of sense. It isn't here, largely.
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That said Moosy -
(1) thoughts on Rels
(2) thoughts on Rels case
(3) updated reads on other players
Go.
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Yeah the "votes on scum" actually wasn't a great point now I think of it, but IMO the other points stand.
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On February 08 2016 07:45 disformation wrote:
Also @ NM please stop saying that you don't like meta when you are going to use it "all the time". xD
Fair enough, but my interactions with MD have been limited and overall not a great impression so far. He's only had interactions with only two players who are still alive in the game, marv and myself.
Follow the most recent exchange between us and you'll know what I mean.
The only other criteria for MD is his vote day 1. Solo vote is always bad.
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On October 06 2015 20:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Funny thing is I already explained why I did what I did to Rels. And 85% of the stuff in Rels' "cases" are laughable. But he can keep on being bad.
-pats on head-
Just let me know when you're ready to actually start scumhunting Rels.
And if you say there can't be two roleblockers, then I basically know you're claiming Mafia right now.
On October 06 2015 20:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 19:13 Rels wrote:On October 06 2015 19:02 GlowingBear wrote:On October 06 2015 17:51 Rels wrote:
GB how could you miss that ? Did you not read the thread yesterday ? I've already admitted I'm not reading the thread properly I'm missing a lot of stuff. Only yesterday night I focused a little more. Does his roleblocks match his read progression? Because I don't remember him scumreading me or LS He was scumreading you for most of the night but dropped it 1h30 before D2: On October 02 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:24 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:04 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..? So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ??????????? I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all. Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen hm...I'm actually thinking of dropping the GB read purely because coolTL said he was tunneling on rsoul. He probably just doesn't know the definitions to things. Then he defended you: On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:12 Rels wrote:ACTUALLY On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa. I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time. I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early? Looking for that I found a post 1 hour of start of D2 where he knows you retracted your claim: On October 02 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:06 sicklucker wrote:On October 02 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 07:30 Damdred wrote:On October 02 2015 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear i assume you blocked LS right? Silly rayn ?? did he retract from his claim? gb is obviously never really claiming at night rofl also gb did retract his claim So added to the things above (posting 2 minutes after the rescind, talking to you, replying to a post you made 20 minutes after your rescind), that post saying he did not know you rescinded your claim before the end of the night is laughable. lol stop misrepresenting my play Rels. If you think that's a defense of GB that's very laughable. That's actually one of the reasons why I had a scum read on you. I came into the thread saying the team was coolTL/GB off of a busing strat and you literally hard defended GB. Then for some reason you started pointing out scummy things about GB even after defending him. This was not me defending GB. This was me saying you looked scummy as fuck for all of a sudden switching your read on GB. And this is exactly why this is town!Rels. Only he can be so oblivious as to what's really going on between the lines and claim ridiculous stuff like this.
On October 06 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rsoultin you're dumb. We still kill Shining here 100%
On October 07 2015 00:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 06 2015 23:49 rsoultin wrote:
MD said the truffle kill made him think he did something good N1...i.e. scum is role-hunting because the RB interfered with something N1 so actually believed the blue claims enough to kill truffle; he didn't say that's why he blocked LS
Okay let's assume this is true. WHY IS HE VOTING WITH GLOWINGBEAR?!?!? because shining is scum and gb has to bus for some cred.
Bah I missed the tunnelled fool part, you're right, but these are the quotes I was referring to among other things.
Still I hope you see the contrast by going through his filter.
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On February 08 2016 07:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:42 disformation wrote:
Were are in dire need of information from all the guys who did like nothing this game.
Chez/Onegu/MD
Onegus filter is literally: "sry sick" "reading" "still catching up". And while him being sick and trying to catch up to the thread sucks and is understandable, we have 0 clue as to what his alignment is. i definitely think chez is on the mafia side of a coinflip, i've given a few reasons over the course of the game.
I am annoyed by Chez's last post where he says his list of boxerfred/you/disformation is interesting.
You said he was misapplying his own criteria earlier day 1, but as someone who has never played with him, do you mind clarifying this?
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I might be able to if I could look it up more easily on my phone but....
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On February 08 2016 07:55 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 20:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Funny thing is I already explained why I did what I did to Rels. And 85% of the stuff in Rels' "cases" are laughable. But he can keep on being bad.
-pats on head-
Just let me know when you're ready to actually start scumhunting Rels.
And if you say there can't be two roleblockers, then I basically know you're claiming Mafia right now. Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 20:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 06 2015 19:13 Rels wrote:On October 06 2015 19:02 GlowingBear wrote:On October 06 2015 17:51 Rels wrote:
GB how could you miss that ? Did you not read the thread yesterday ? I've already admitted I'm not reading the thread properly I'm missing a lot of stuff. Only yesterday night I focused a little more. Does his roleblocks match his read progression? Because I don't remember him scumreading me or LS He was scumreading you for most of the night but dropped it 1h30 before D2: On October 02 2015 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:24 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:04 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..? So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ??????????? I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all. Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen hm...I'm actually thinking of dropping the GB read purely because coolTL said he was tunneling on rsoul. He probably just doesn't know the definitions to things. Then he defended you: On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:12 Rels wrote:ACTUALLY On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa. I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time. I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early? Looking for that I found a post 1 hour of start of D2 where he knows you retracted your claim: On October 02 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:06 sicklucker wrote:On October 02 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 07:30 Damdred wrote:On October 02 2015 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear i assume you blocked LS right? Silly rayn ?? did he retract from his claim? gb is obviously never really claiming at night rofl also gb did retract his claim So added to the things above (posting 2 minutes after the rescind, talking to you, replying to a post you made 20 minutes after your rescind), that post saying he did not know you rescinded your claim before the end of the night is laughable. lol stop misrepresenting my play Rels. If you think that's a defense of GB that's very laughable. That's actually one of the reasons why I had a scum read on you. I came into the thread saying the team was coolTL/GB off of a busing strat and you literally hard defended GB. Then for some reason you started pointing out scummy things about GB even after defending him. This was not me defending GB. This was me saying you looked scummy as fuck for all of a sudden switching your read on GB. And this is exactly why this is town!Rels. Only he can be so oblivious as to what's really going on between the lines and claim ridiculous stuff like this. Show nested quote +On October 06 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rsoultin you're dumb. We still kill Shining here 100% Show nested quote +On October 07 2015 00:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 06 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 06 2015 23:49 rsoultin wrote:
MD said the truffle kill made him think he did something good N1...i.e. scum is role-hunting because the RB interfered with something N1 so actually believed the blue claims enough to kill truffle; he didn't say that's why he blocked LS
Okay let's assume this is true. WHY IS HE VOTING WITH GLOWINGBEAR?!?!? because shining is scum and gb has to bus for some cred. Bah I missed the tunnelled fool part, you're right, but these are the quotes I was referring to among other things. Still I hope you see the contrast by going through his filter.
EBWOP - at Rels - it's also not just those quotes. Even in those he says he's bad and not much mafia, but if you take away nothing else, you can see he's trying to solve the game in there. And here he's just utterly directionless.
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On February 08 2016 07:57 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:51 NocturneMage wrote:On February 08 2016 07:45 disformation wrote:
Also @ NM please stop saying that you don't like meta when you are going to use it "all the time". xD Fair enough, but my interactions with MD have been limited and overall not a great impression so far. He's only had interactions with only two players who are still alive in the game, marv and myself. Follow the most recent exchange between us and you'll know what I mean. The only other criteria for MD is his vote day 1. Solo vote is always bad. Yeah, fair enough. I just really don't like that contradiction. Especially since you also did it in NSM 18.
You should see the difference between my use of it here and my use of it in Newbie 18.
You observed me closely enough as a cohost I think the difference should be obvious.
Also Day 1, I gave you a valid reason that townies can use meta properly, and even me can do so. I can still make parallel points that I feel push discussion forward.
If you think I'm scummy, just say why.
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On February 08 2016 08:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:57 NocturneMage wrote:On February 08 2016 07:46 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2016 07:42 disformation wrote:
Were are in dire need of information from all the guys who did like nothing this game.
Chez/Onegu/MD
Onegus filter is literally: "sry sick" "reading" "still catching up". And while him being sick and trying to catch up to the thread sucks and is understandable, we have 0 clue as to what his alignment is. i definitely think chez is on the mafia side of a coinflip, i've given a few reasons over the course of the game. I am annoyed by Chez's last post where he says his list of boxerfred/you/disformation is interesting. You said he was misapplying his own criteria earlier day 1, but as someone who has never played with him, do you mind clarifying this? So essentially there is this thing called the Chezinu rule. It basically goes that the first person in a game to throw suspicion on Chezinu for being trolly is mafia, and it's had a surprisingly high hitrate. In this game, disformation just asked Chezinu what he was talking about - he wasnt implying Chezinu was suspicious, but after Koshi voted disfo, Chezinu voted him on the basis of his rule. So essentially he shouldn't have been doing that. And I didn't like that his reason was that he was following Koshi. And yea that list was silly. it's not helpful. it's not even trying to be helpful veiled in his usual stories.
Ah okay, I see what you mean now.
Between that and the vote on Zyrre - I asked him why he was voting Zyrre and he gave me what I felt was a nonsensical answer. It wasn't even anything like "I think Palmar is town" it was "for Zyrre".
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On February 06 2016 06:38 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 06:36 disformation wrote:
Looking at the game you played with ritoky and MD:
I think you named both palmar and zyrre apparently at random. Why Zyrre over Palmar? I don't like it when Palmar dies... it's makes me sad.
On February 06 2016 08:26 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 14:30 Chezinu wrote:
Here is a list of answer Chezinu provided in the game:
Chezinu
Palmar
nooniansoong
Zyrre
Interesting picks I must say. Interesting indeed.
These quotes of Chezinu were right before and after the flip.
I could TRY and imply what he was trying to do in the first post? I think the final quote that list of names I think he picked from his mafia game that ritoky, me and MD wre playing last night. He was supposed to pick his TRs and then picks both Palmar and Zyrre from that game and then votes Zyrre.
It's still confusing as hell sort of because in that game, he admitted he picked the names randomly but if he's trolling....god he's just confusing as hell.
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Fair enough Rels, but Trfel's case was based on MD day 1 play, and MD won't seriously play day 1 I don't think, certainly almost got himself lynched as vig in Fullmetal.
Lack of reads isn't assuring atm though, and a few other little things.
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So Moosy again, wherever you are
On February 08 2016 07:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote:On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote:phoneposting On February 08 2016 05:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:I like your spicy post NM. )) So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question? I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case. bruh, do you seriously expect my thought process to make sense?
On February 08 2016 07:40 NocturneMage wrote:
That said Moosy -
(1) thoughts on Rels
(2) thoughts on Rels case
(3) updated reads on other players
Go.
It's day 2 now, which means you can stop dodging questions like you did day 1. (not to mention I think disformation also wanted reads from you)
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On February 08 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:mMmmm...have you read my christmas game yet?
?????????
You mean Nutcracker? You didn't play in that game?
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Meh, whatever, I'm out. You still owe reads. Good night.
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On February 09 2016 00:32 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 00:21 nooniansoong wrote:
i like koshi for possible tryhardish scum
then nm for possible but unlikely tryhard superscum both of those are completely legit and possible if the scumteam isnt superlurk squad. I still don't have a 100% tr on koshi but leaning town. its possible because of how the game played out + we have a lot of good players he doesnt feel the need to do much? i dont know honestly. All i can remember is him tunneling you and doesn't seem super cocky on any reads besides that which isnt normal. If palmar is scum though, he hard defended him since the beginning when he didnt really have to and made himself look super bad for basically no reason. Maybe I should look more at what he has done to help town though because I dont think its been much As for NM, its possible he is going for a BH style scum play but I honestly just started ignoring him. If you read his posts in depth they are actually just long walls of texts of nothing again recently that dont mean anything and are borderline english.
The bolded is a very bad reason to townread/townlean anyone let alone a player of (from what I understand) Koshi's calibre.
Rels had probably the best argument as for why Koshi is likely scum. To the points you have (bolded), he pointed out that a lot of Koshi's reads went nowhere, a common scum trait. Day 1 it was the same thing I pointed out with how he approached reads on ritoky and Damdred.
That read is actually pretty terrible.
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On February 09 2016 00:49 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 00:46 Rels wrote:
I don't believe NM can be mafia with Palmar, and Palmar is 99% scum, so I'm pretty sure NM is town.
He was fighting pretty hard for Palmar to be lynched D1, he even might have been the reason Damdred switched. Then explain to me why he is trying to ride this palmar cred into the sunset and then some one that voted BEFORE him is scummy and im not even trying to get any palmar cred, i literally dont give a shit. I just vote what I think and thats it like ive always done. And then when you try to reason with him he just says "no, you're stupid" and leaves. If that's town I really can't see myself ever getting along with him.
Not really. I made a few points as to why I think your vote is scummy. I also showed other points unrelated to the Palmar vote early on day 1 where I think you could be scum. It's not just the vote honestly.
The order of the votes doesn't matter. I explained twice now why I felt your vote was inorganic. And when I looked at the votes it's not impossible to conceive that one of the four scum members couldn't have been on Palmar's wagon. I had been townreading everyone on the wagon except you and Zyrre.
I don't think 3+ members of a 4-man scumteam would be all on the Zyrre wagon.
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