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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 04 2016 04:12 GMT
#273
On February 04 2016 13:06 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 12:55 darthfoley wrote:
On February 04 2016 12:12 ritoky wrote:
re darth: something about his reads seem off. too much explanation considering lack of content, stronger opinion on some1 like koshi or va than some1 like disfo, random zyrre ping but no credit to disfo or damdred for noticing same thing


@Damdred I'm not going to use my experience as a crutch this game, so i'm fine defending my reads

@Ritoky I think it's perfectly normal to be more comfortable reading people you've played with before. I only brought up the Zyrre thing because I have been scum read for doing a similar "woohoo, i'm town!" post early. Tbf I was town that game.

You tell me that I have too much explanation for lack of content, while also giving disformation a hard time for stating reads without explanation. Hopefully i'll find your happy medium soon



either you're much improved or town; just wanted early pressure to see how you react. you were much more feeble under pressure in your previous mafia game.


Fair enough. I like the way you've played so far.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 04 2016 14:26 GMT
#484
@boxerfred

Yea I disappeared because it was 3AM my time and I had to wake up at 7:30. I'll be back sometime in the next 2-5 hours
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 04 2016 14:36 GMT
#492
On February 04 2016 23:27 Rels wrote:
yo darth can you answer this:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 18:39 Rels wrote:
On February 04 2016 10:35 darthfoley wrote:

On February 04 2016 08:12 Damdred wrote:
I hate this game already.

hi

hi, let me throw the weakest/easiest TR ever at you.


Likewise, I don't particularly like this "read." The explanation was basically hearsay, so I'm still not a fan

"hearsay" ? What did you not like in his explanation ?



Rels, gimme like 2 hours and I promise i'll respond to the stuff you've asked
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 04 2016 16:59 GMT
#545
@Rels, and a tiny bit of Koshi shade

I think you're reading too much into a few cheeky posts at the beginning of the game. Nothing was really going on by that point, so I didn't feel the need to be super serious. I'm just not understanding why you aren't holding others to this similar standard of scum indicativeness; Zyrre, who made the "woo i'm town" post hasn't posted since and only NM seems to notice. He's also EU time which makes it even more sus imo. Not sure why other people can post shit memes and make jokes, but when I say "roger Gold leader" in a Star Wars themed game early D1, you scum read me for it. I literally said "i am here guyzzz"... like why would I ever be so literal in my phrasing if I were mafia?

This whole poke on me seems a little overzealous to me. I understand probing, but this is pointless. When I say that I'll be back in some hours, but still make a post, I simply don't have the time to make in depth posts or filter dive, but I have enough time (~5 minutes) to defend myself from rather toothless accusations.

@Koshi I appreciate your compliment. I hope I will continue to impress later, when I have time to actually analyze interactions in a meaningful way. Put me in, coach.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 04 2016 17:21 GMT
#575
Nah, not buddying you.

Rels, I didn't like disformation's defense on his "hi, lemme throw you the weakest of townreads" because

Was kinda waiting for that question to pop up.
Well once upon the time damdy told me that he really does not like to be VT. Him opening up like this reminded me of that. Could be easily faked so I call it a super weak/easy TR. You gotta start somewhere.


Dunno. Have observed a lot of ppl just throwing out reads, without really bothering to explain them. Wanted to try that style this game a bit. Also more opportunities for interactions like this.


I don't know why you wouldn't explain it if you were kinda waiting for someone to ask you that question. It just seemed to me like track covering. I agree with his premise that you have to start somewhere, so if he had used that anecdotal evidence when he read Damdred initially, I probably would've been fine with it.

I'm also not a fan of throwing reads out without bothering to explain them until you get pressed on them, and I don't think the solution is more people playing that style.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 04 2016 20:33 GMT
#621
On February 04 2016 18:44 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 18:33 Rels wrote:
On February 04 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote:
I am here, and ready to things

I have a bad feeling about this post.
Here are his first posts almost 2 hours before:
On February 04 2016 08:13 darthfoley wrote:
hello all, i am here

On February 04 2016 08:16 darthfoley wrote:
roger that Gold leader

So here is what darth did:
1 - enter the thread "I am there"
2 - shit post
----- 2 hours pass -------
3 - enter the thread "I am there"

I don't like this repetition. There is no excuse in the first posts, like "I'll be there in 2 hours I'm working right now". It also happens 20 minutes after being called out by disfo for being there and not doing anything.
This might be indicative of scum wanting to enter the thread early just to show he's there while not doing anything; but after being called out for doing exactly that, coming back to show he's playing the game seriously.

When he was scum with me, he went full "Hey guys, I'm new, this is how we play now, okay?". I feel like I have a decent chance of identifying his scum game. In the game I was scum with him he tried really hard to either fly under the radar or establish himself as town, he didn't push anyone too hard, so yeah.

I'd put him on my "potential lurker watch" list while not scumreading him yet.


I don't know what you mean with that semi-quote. You're saying I dictated how the town played in my first game ever while rolling scum, all while not pushing anyone too hard? "this is how we play now, okay"?? I think you're forgetting that I got lynched and lost the game with like 7 town left lol. Could you explain this better?

I tried flying under the radar or I tried establishing myself as town? Aren't these strategies (generally) mutually exclusive? I bring this up not to harp on an old game, but I do think it's a bit weird the way you've framed my scum play. I find it pretty false actually. Perhaps Kush can comment on this, considering he's now played two games with me?

That being said, I actually thought that boxerfred's counter analysis on ritoky re: disformation was solid. Ritoky read a little too much into a 2 line post by disformation, but I think his point about giving NocturnalMage an entry was substantive and worth mentioning. I could see bf and ritoky both being town and being stubborn against each other D1 because egos or something.

Idk I find it perhaps a little suspect that bf (kinda), ritoky and damdred have all defended me already, using variations of the experience card to help me. I especially find it ironic, because if I were to use the defense, I would be immediately scum read. I think i'm a fairly obvious pocket opportunity for experienced mafia, so i'm particularly wary when a bunch of vets start defending me off the bat from rather average pokes by Rels. It just seems off.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 04 2016 22:20 GMT
#671
On February 05 2016 06:55 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 02:25 Rels wrote:
On February 05 2016 02:08 nooniansoong wrote:
On February 04 2016 22:59 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2016 22:50 Koshi wrote:
On February 04 2016 22:45 Rels wrote:
On February 04 2016 19:35 nooniansoong wrote:
On February 04 2016 19:31 Koshi wrote:
##vote Kush

Best lynch by far.


I'm not a bad lynch

Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts.

Kush plays bold as mafia. This post makes him more likely mafia.

not sure it makes him more likely mafia, but i definitely don't think it's townpoints either


agree. my shitty attitude this game has nothing to do with my alignment.
Anyway I don't think I play bold as scum. In my last scumgame I opened with a shitcase on vayne or something. Usually I'll give some effort to look townie day 1 before I completely stop giving a fuck by day 2.

Here is a quote from you from Outlaw mafia:
On January 13 2016 02:38 nooniansoong wrote:
The benefit is people make arguments like you're making and base your scumread on it.

Shit players like me and onegu do that as scum sometimes. Just do something that makes no sense. Its a lot easier than making content that looks townie.

Explain ?


I will usually start off playing a more standard scum game, then I'll try to do some bold stuff to make up for my lack of actvity.
So d1 = standard. d2+ = bold.

But this game is under special circumstances, so I'm not arguing that you should be townreading me. Because I could easily do this as scum. IN fact if I were scum this game, I'd probably be playing exactly how I'm playing now.

Nevertheless, I'll defend myself.
1 There are probably people who have put less effort than even me into this game. You might want to lynch them instead of me.
2 There is a slight possibility that d2 or 3 I will start to care. The caveat to this is that I will still be pretty useless because I'll have no idea what's going on.


I don't know what to say to this Kush. Why is this game under special circumstances? Idk this comes across as just more vocal Kush Unoriginal Mini Mafia game who is salty he rolled scum again. We're supposed to keep you around for 3 days on the off chance you might start to try? Super meh
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 04 2016 22:36 GMT
#678
i'm more hesitant on anything regarding onegu because I just vigi misshot him in another game and I feel bad about it
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 04 2016 23:09 GMT
#695
On February 05 2016 08:05 Damdred wrote:
That zyrre post is so bad for so many reasons


enlighten us
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 04 2016 23:19 GMT
#702
I'm always rather suspicious of multi player mega list first posts. It usually seems forced and oversimplified even if the person is town.

Zyrre, do you have any reads or opinions regarding NocturnalMage/VA?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 05 2016 01:57 GMT
#723
Yea i'm also having trouble getting a read worth a damn with NM and VA. I'm unfamiliar with this style of play from VA so I don't have strong feelings either way so far. I don't think VA is silly enough to actually suggest having the named VT reveal on D1, but I don't understand what he means by lazy D1... Null

I haven't been a fan of Koshi's posting so far tbh. A 4 page filter after 1/2 of D1 with lots of one sentence "cheeky" answers (like his ass rebuttal of NM's semi-case against him with ritoky) just seems a little too glib for my taste. He also doesn't explain his pro Zyrre read either. Maybe koshi's just trololing like the PYP game, but in that game he was quite clear from the start that the setup was the reason he was taking it not seriously, which doesn't really hold water here.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 05 2016 03:07 GMT
#731
On February 05 2016 11:38 NocturneMage wrote:
Reading more filters....

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
@Rels, and a tiny bit of Koshi shade

I think you're reading too much into a few cheeky posts at the beginning of the game. Nothing was really going on by that point, so I didn't feel the need to be super serious. I'm just not understanding why you aren't holding others to this similar standard of scum indicativeness; Zyrre, who made the "woo i'm town" post hasn't posted since and only NM seems to notice. He's also EU time which makes it even more sus imo. Not sure why other people can post shit memes and make jokes, but when I say "roger Gold leader" in a Star Wars themed game early D1, you scum read me for it. I literally said "i am here guyzzz"... like why would I ever be so literal in my phrasing if I were mafia?

This whole poke on me seems a little overzealous to me. I understand probing, but this is pointless. When I say that I'll be back in some hours, but still make a post, I simply don't have the time to make in depth posts or filter dive, but I have enough time (~5 minutes) to defend myself from rather toothless accusations.

@Koshi I appreciate your compliment. I hope I will continue to impress later, when I have time to actually analyze interactions in a meaningful way. Put me in, coach.


Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote:
Idk I find it perhaps a little suspect that bf (kinda), ritoky and damdred have all defended me already, using variations of the experience card to help me. I especially find it ironic, because if I were to use the defense, I would be immediately scum read. I think i'm a fairly obvious pocket opportunity for experienced mafia, so i'm particularly wary when a bunch of vets start defending me off the bat from rather average pokes by Rels. It just seems off.


Darth, do you have an actual read on Rels?


Yea i'm town reading Rels right now. I think that he has been quite pro-active, probing to make people flesh out their reads more. I was kind of annoyed with him for his pressure on me, but I think it came from town POV who was looking to pressure, what he considered, a scummy entrance.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 05 2016 07:03 GMT
#841
On February 05 2016 13:27 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2016 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
On February 05 2016 11:38 NocturneMage wrote:
Reading more filters....

On February 05 2016 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
@Rels, and a tiny bit of Koshi shade

I think you're reading too much into a few cheeky posts at the beginning of the game. Nothing was really going on by that point, so I didn't feel the need to be super serious. I'm just not understanding why you aren't holding others to this similar standard of scum indicativeness; Zyrre, who made the "woo i'm town" post hasn't posted since and only NM seems to notice. He's also EU time which makes it even more sus imo. Not sure why other people can post shit memes and make jokes, but when I say "roger Gold leader" in a Star Wars themed game early D1, you scum read me for it. I literally said "i am here guyzzz"... like why would I ever be so literal in my phrasing if I were mafia?

This whole poke on me seems a little overzealous to me. I understand probing, but this is pointless. When I say that I'll be back in some hours, but still make a post, I simply don't have the time to make in depth posts or filter dive, but I have enough time (~5 minutes) to defend myself from rather toothless accusations.

@Koshi I appreciate your compliment. I hope I will continue to impress later, when I have time to actually analyze interactions in a meaningful way. Put me in, coach.


On February 05 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote:
Idk I find it perhaps a little suspect that bf (kinda), ritoky and damdred have all defended me already, using variations of the experience card to help me. I especially find it ironic, because if I were to use the defense, I would be immediately scum read. I think i'm a fairly obvious pocket opportunity for experienced mafia, so i'm particularly wary when a bunch of vets start defending me off the bat from rather average pokes by Rels. It just seems off.


Darth, do you have an actual read on Rels?


Yea i'm town reading Rels right now. I think that he has been quite pro-active, probing to make people flesh out their reads more. I was kind of annoyed with him for his pressure on me, but I think it came from town POV who was looking to pressure, what he considered, a scummy entrance.


no offense but i don't really want to know your town reads. tell me who is potentially mafia and why.


no offense but NM asked me for my read on Rels, so I gave it to him.

I'm currently scum reading Koshi, Zyrre, and a tiny bit of VA.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 05 2016 07:05 GMT
#842
For the time being I am cannot read Chezinu or moosy because lol, and I defer Palmar reads to people that know him better.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 05 2016 07:28 GMT
#845
well that's just great.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 05 2016 17:15 GMT
#1038
I'm most confident in voting Zyrre right now.

##Vote: Zyrre


Can someone tell me why Palmar is being scum read by some of the more experienced players? Is it simply because he hasn't been as bossy?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 05 2016 17:24 GMT
#1042
On February 06 2016 02:16 marvellosity wrote:
i wrote why and it's been quoted by several people, you probably should have noticed


Roger cap'n. On it
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 05 2016 17:28 GMT
#1044
I need a translator for Chezinu's posts
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 05 2016 21:52 GMT
#1308
On February 06 2016 06:41 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2016 06:40 boxerfred wrote:
lol noonian voting zyrre i want to lynch both

remember when you were the roleblocker and you died d1... fun times.


I feel quite uneasy with this Palmar lynch right now. There's been little push back, even though people have said they aren't very confident about it. He just seems like perfect lynchbait for mafia right now. They kill arguably the best town on TL because he's been somewhat AFK and not even one counter wagon gets started? I do agree that his one post referencing Superbia mafia flip is not good, but I think Palmar mafia (from what i've heard) is way more capable than the play he's shown so far. Idk why he would allow his own lynch to happen so easily

There's only 1h10 left, but I don't think the Palmar vote is right. We could just have an investigative role check him N1 or something. Zyrre is a much better lynch imo, he has literally gone with thread sentiment with almost all his votes, INCLUDING Palmar, the primary lynch target.

I know it's probably too late, but come join the Zyrre wagon boys and girls.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
February 05 2016 21:53 GMT
#1309
Oops, I quoted that because I was gonna poke fun at bf and forgot. Oh well
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