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On February 08 2016 06:48 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 05:30 boxerfred wrote:On February 08 2016 05:03 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2016 04:55 boxerfred wrote:
vayne, marv, palmar, x scum So you think I just randomly attacked 2 of my buddies in Va and palmar? Are you totally insane? Why wouldn't you do this as mafia? Puts great light on you. I can think of a reason - if someone pushes too many of their scumbuddies and they are still alive, people will start to wonder why they are alive. Or what is the motivation for mafia to not kill someone who has killed 2+ scum on a 4-player scumteam. I played with bf only once, in newbie 14....he's relatively new right?
Started around the same time as me? I think my second game was his first. I have heard that he struggles a bit as town and has huge variances in activity due to RL.
Has more games than either of us. 9 According to DB.
Oh yeah. He gets misslynched a lot:
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On February 08 2016 07:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:19 Rels wrote:On February 08 2016 04:17 darthfoley wrote:Marv's Palmar progression + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2016 22:34 marvellosity wrote:
jat: i don't have a particular opinion on Palmar On February 04 2016 23:00 marvellosity wrote:
oh Palmar gave a longer/prettier answer. well boo On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Ah, misunderstood your post Koshi. Carry on.
Would have to check the meta part of NMs Palmar case but regardless I still agree with the conclusion. Maybe we should just try to lynch that lazy jackass today. Very tempting. ##unvote
##Vote Palmar*holds out hand* On February 06 2016 02:35 marvellosity wrote:okay, quick post before I go. Thoughts on the lynch: Palmar - my vote is on him, and he's a decent lynch. Actually I think his absence today is kinda non-admissable, i think as either alignment he'd show up if he could. Not totally sure though. My main issue with Palmar is that he has quite a few posts but none of them are really pushing anything forward or finding mafia. Ironically if his filter was half the size I'd be more inclined to think he was town. If he comes in later while i'm out and makes a case on me, lynch him. Just lynch him. He knows I am town (or should at least feel i am) and would never want to lynch me today, he'd only be doing it to destabilise whatever influence I have on town. And yes he'd do it even after I wrote this. He may come back and look town, which is nice. I'd also note it's not beyond mafia Palmar to afk and hope for the best when he's mafia, even if i do rather think he'd come and try do stuff. Zyrre - I wrote stuff already. But really I just want people to do this. I will make it easy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=Zyrrehttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/422313-newbie-mini-mafia-xlv?user=ZyrreHis filter from this game, and his towngame in the newbie. Just read the first page of the newbie game. Just do it.. I find it very, very hard to believe these 2 filters are from the same alignment. The filters are just *so* *different*. I'm not even going to do any explanation. If you can't see it, stab yourself in the face for being terrible. For him to be town I'd have to believe he's just SOOOOO overawed by this game (I do not believe this for a moment, not to this extent). I think I trust jat. tbh if I didn't think I was coming back at all before deadline I'd place my vote on Zyrre right now. But I will leave it on Palmar for now and change it later as necessary. On February 06 2016 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
I can't escape the socialising so I've not read anything. So many palmar votes and not so on Zyrre. I'm gonna vote Zyrre, he's my top % play.
Palmer could well still be mafia but the votecount made me a little nervous and I really think Zyrre is mafia. Maybe palmar can have another day?
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##vote Zyrre
I'm not going to be able to read ppls replies to this really so just do what you think is best. This is what I think is best for now and that's all I have control over. I agree that Marv was not invested in the Palmar lynch and was quite wishy washy for someone who apparently has the hard reads on him. "I think his absence is non-admissible... but it could come from either alignment... not totally sure though... oh yea btw if he comes back while i'm gone and says im scum, DONT LISTEN TO HIM (even though I just said his play could come from either alignment") If his lack of play could come from either alignment, it's false to say it's non-admissible. He also says that if he thought he wasn't going to come back before the deadline, he would vote for Zyrre, but that he's keeping his vote on Palmar and change it later if necessary. Except that a few paragraphs earlier he specifically told everyone not to drink the Palmar Kool-Aid and keep your vote on him. He then jumps on the "VC is making me nervous train at #1319" (I had commented on it at #1308) and switches to Zyrre. This progression/line of reasoning throughout is suspicious to me and i'm scum reading marv Get Zyrre ML D1 is easy, while knowing it will leave Palmar in an almost impossible hole to fight out of D2 given the rapid vote swing, guaranteeing another mislynch. I really disagree with that last sentence. Your suggestion of scum!marv saving town!Palmar for another is an impossible situation I think. it's 100% ridiculous. in scummarv vs townpalmar scenario, getting rid of Palmar immediately is a huge win for me and there is less than 0% chance i would switch to zyrre when i could stick on Palmar. Less than 0% is an impossible and non-existent figure, that's how outlandish it is.
Hmmm... fair enough.
Changing up my tinfoil hats a bit. 
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Votes on scum? He had cases+votes on Farah and me like all game. Both Farah and me were town. Well later he voted Trfel who was scum indeed.
But yeah his filter has cases and flowers and stuff.
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Were are in dire need of information from all the guys who did like nothing this game.
Chez/Onegu/MD
Onegus filter is literally: "sry sick" "reading" "still catching up". And while him being sick and trying to catch up to the thread sucks and is understandable, we have 0 clue as to what his alignment is.
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Also @ NM please stop saying that you don't like meta when you are going to use it "all the time". xD
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On February 08 2016 07:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:42 disformation wrote:
Were are in dire need of information from all the guys who did like nothing this game.
Chez/Onegu/MD
Onegus filter is literally: "sry sick" "reading" "still catching up". And while him being sick and trying to catch up to the thread sucks and is understandable, we have 0 clue as to what his alignment is. i definitely think chez is on the mafia side of a coinflip, i've given a few reasons over the course of the game.
Maybe I am really either seeing no scum or scum everywhere because it really is something hilarious like Palmar/MD/Cherz/+1 of boxer, noon, Onegu... -.-
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On February 08 2016 07:51 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:45 disformation wrote:
Also @ NM please stop saying that you don't like meta when you are going to use it "all the time". xD Fair enough, but my interactions with MD have been limited and overall not a great impression so far. He's only had interactions with only two players who are still alive in the game, marv and myself. Follow the most recent exchange between us and you'll know what I mean. The only other criteria for MD is his vote day 1. Solo vote is always bad.
Yeah, fair enough. I just really don't like that contradiction. Especially since you also did it in NSM 18.
On February 08 2016 07:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:50 disformation wrote:On February 08 2016 07:46 marvellosity wrote:On February 08 2016 07:42 disformation wrote:
Were are in dire need of information from all the guys who did like nothing this game.
Chez/Onegu/MD
Onegus filter is literally: "sry sick" "reading" "still catching up". And while him being sick and trying to catch up to the thread sucks and is understandable, we have 0 clue as to what his alignment is. i definitely think chez is on the mafia side of a coinflip, i've given a few reasons over the course of the game. Maybe I am really either seeing no scum or scum everywhere because it really is something hilarious like Palmar/MD/Cherz/+1 of boxer, noon, Onegu... -.- remember the whole game doesn't need to get solved right now we kill one mafia at a time and get more and more information over time.
Also fair enough. It just bothers me that I don't have any really good scum reads beside Palmar and a bunch of ppl who are doing jack. So I am trying to not let this day go to waste while we are waiting for the palmar flip. Should probably lay of the paranoia and tinfoils a lot. xD
But you are right I have seen a lot scummers start out pretty well only to fall flat D2 or D3.
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On February 08 2016 08:03 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 07:57 disformation wrote:On February 08 2016 07:51 NocturneMage wrote:On February 08 2016 07:45 disformation wrote:
Also @ NM please stop saying that you don't like meta when you are going to use it "all the time". xD Fair enough, but my interactions with MD have been limited and overall not a great impression so far. He's only had interactions with only two players who are still alive in the game, marv and myself. Follow the most recent exchange between us and you'll know what I mean. The only other criteria for MD is his vote day 1. Solo vote is always bad. Yeah, fair enough. I just really don't like that contradiction. Especially since you also did it in NSM 18. You should see the difference between my use of it here and my use of it in Newbie 18. You observed me closely enough as a cohost I think the difference should be obvious. Also Day 1, I gave you a valid reason that townies can use meta properly, and even me can do so. I can still make parallel points that I feel push discussion forward. If you think I'm scummy, just say why.
True true.
Got only tinfoil on ya, but those are super scary tinfoils, so I really want to make sure I don't lose to that. xD
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On February 08 2016 15:59 Onegu wrote:
I am in the hospital overnight, haven't been feeling good for a few days now. I have a small medical procedure on Friday and need to pack for my trip to Thailand on Sunday. Shouldn't have signed up and will take my ban but I have asked to be replaced.
I apoligize to everyone
sry to hear hope everything goes okay! :/
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wait, chez is voting BF?
Chez can you explain? I is that just for the lulz?
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On February 08 2016 22:39 disformation wrote:
wait, chez is voting BF?
Chez can you explain? I is that just for the lulz?
no wait, actually makes 100% sense carry on.
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On February 08 2016 23:00 nooniansoong wrote:
palmar ruined this game, not that it was his fault.
Not sure what you are trying to say here.
If he is scum trying to not encourage discussion and stuff this day is pretty legit.
Or are you trying to say that you think he is town?
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On February 07 2016 08:18 disformation wrote:
Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred, Koshi, justanothertownie, Palmar
Palmar (7): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, boxerfred, Damdred
justanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu
VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy
nooniansoong (0): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfred
NocturneMage (0),disformation disformation
ritoky (0): boxerfred, Chezinu,
Onegu (0):, nooniansoong
Disformation (0): Chezinu,Chezinu
MoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoong
Okay. Was looking at these a bit more.
Palmar wagon
As I said before: scum very probably doesn't want to be all stuck on the same train. So especially if palmar is town there should be at least 1 scummer on palmar.
UNLESS it is really MD+Onegu +2 ppl on the Zyrre train which is possible.
The three ppl voting Palmar that are not conf. from my pov are: NM, Rels and VA.
NM: I wouldn't put it past him to make a case on Palmar D1 and try to get him lynched as scum. That is also an incredibly scary tinfoil. On the other hand I really am not able to legit scum read him. So I think he is town (for now).
Rels: not having looked too close at Rels, yet. Should probably do this, since his scum game is pretty good. But on the other hand he has done nothing that screams town to me either. Actually he scum read both of zyrre and palmar and I am not 100% sure why he decided to prefer a palmar lynch. Though skimming his filter his approach to the game looks rather town.
VA: his vote is nice and early, but he seemed very not invested into this. Only mention of zyrre is that the zyrre lynch seems too easy. So yeah this vote does not look great. Especially if Palmar is town.
Zyrre wagon
town lean on darthfoley. TR on marv.
if koshi is scum probably not for this vote. cause jat and marv said so.
leaves me with the trio of nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred.
No good read on any of those three tbh. Hope we have some investigation roles for those tbh. But I can easily see 2 scummers in there, especially if Palmar is scum.
Whoever replaces in for Onegu has some huge town rainbows to plant into the thread.
Actually @ rels: what made you vote palmar over zyrre?
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NM can be pretty emotional. Not sure if that is AI for him though.
In Dark Tournament town!NM was pretty emotionally invested in lynching scum!HtS and later went pretty close to yelling at town!Trfel and going on tilt over that.
Sample size is too small to verify if he does so as scum too.
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On February 09 2016 01:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 01:19 disformation wrote:
NM can be pretty emotional. Not sure if that is AI for him though.
In Dark Tournament town!NM was pretty emotionally invested in lynching scum!HtS and later went pretty close to yelling at town!Trfel and going on tilt over that.
Sample size is too small to verify if he does so as scum too. thanks, i've only read a few of NM's posts scattered across a couple of games and didn't realise this was the case, so it's actually quite helpful
+ Show Spoiler +
If you are trying to buddy me it is working. =D
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On February 09 2016 01:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 01:07 disformation wrote:
Actually @ rels: what made you vote palmar over zyrre? I was very underwhelmed with Palmar Thursday night. I expressed it and he said he would do more the Friday. Since he did nothing, I voted him. I thought Zyrre was also scum though.
Yeah, you were scum reading both, hence my question. Also fair enough.
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Also thinking Rels is town.
So by POE my VCA basically says that VA has a very high chance of being scum. Will look more into VA after the flip. 
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@VA: actually NM does not like to use meta if he can get his reads otherwise, remember?
@NM: You said VA was pushing you D1 but dropped his read on you cause he couldnt get you lynched. Couldn't this possibly come from town and be a simple re-evaluation? I mean your first bunch of posts was not very good, so I can see that coming from town. :p
Also fun fact: being biased and not approaching things from multiple angles is a scum tell for NM. =D
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On February 09 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 01:47 disformation wrote:
@VA: actually NM does not like to use meta if he can get his reads otherwise, remember?
@NM: You said VA was pushing you D1 but dropped his read on you cause he couldnt get you lynched. Couldn't this possibly come from town and be a simple re-evaluation? I mean your first bunch of posts was not very good, so I can see that coming from town. :p
Also fun fact: being biased and not approaching things from multiple angles is a scum tell for NM. =D actually NM in his second scumgame, which I believe was the most recent, was super unbiased and approached things from so many angles, almost to a fault. he was like an analysis robot almost. but his scumgame would probably be approved, since it improved greatly between his first scumgame and his second.
Wasn't that game NSM 18? He was pretty much defending Kmatt all game only asking him a bunch of relatively easy questions. The more noticeable/bigger thing was how super conf. biased he was in reading GB as scum.
But yeah NM is super logical/analytical as both alignments.
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On February 09 2016 02:11 Rels wrote:
Chez is scum. Chez plays to win even if he flavors his posts. This is a play, he is like "See I'm not voting the obvious guy I should be voting, I'm so scummy I can't be scum!"
Well the thing is: If you ignore that he abused his rule to troll me, his rule applies to boxerfred. Because if I remember right boxerfred was the first one to call chez actually scummy.
Does that make chez town? nope.
But yeah chez was also super not invested in the lynch D1 and sits in this not really readable bunch of the zyrre voters.
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