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On February 17 2016 18:53 GargamelxD wrote:
I was suspicious of Keanu at the time cause among his reads he suspected Valdi so much over wartrukk which in my eyes didnt seem to be justified and thats what I meant with the ranting part.
Kaenu was super undecided on Vlad, and soft defending him with "he's feeling town even though the AFK points to scum", so I have no idea what you are talking about.
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On February 17 2016 18:12 Iwasrobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
So this leads me to say: Why was Robik so confident about Valdi being scum when his other scumread was imo the main force behind that lynch? And that is another reason to me to suspect Robik more. This is bullshit. Who is that "other scumread of mine that was the main force behind Valdi's lynch" you're talking about ?
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On February 17 2016 19:14 Iwasrobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 18:12 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 17 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
So this leads me to say: Why was Robik so confident about Valdi being scum when his other scumread was imo the main force behind that lynch? And that is another reason to me to suspect Robik more. This is bullshit. Who is that "other scumread of mine that was the main force behind Valdi's lynch" you're talking about ?
Wait. You're talking about Kaenu here then.
You're saying that it's weird that I scumread both Kaenu and Vald here:
On February 13 2016 07:00 Iwasrobik wrote:
Town:
Kush
Saimata
Probably town:
Wartruk
Maybe town:
Gargamel
Scum:
Keanu
Valdiano
Will explain in a little bit when I'm in front of my laptop
During N1, because, Kaenu was the "main force behind Vlad's lynch".
You cannot believe that for real. Kaenu at this point had only indicated Vlad as town.
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On February 17 2016 19:37 GargamelxD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 19:25 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 17 2016 19:14 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 17 2016 18:12 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 17 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
So this leads me to say: Why was Robik so confident about Valdi being scum when his other scumread was imo the main force behind that lynch? And that is another reason to me to suspect Robik more. This is bullshit. Who is that "other scumread of mine that was the main force behind Valdi's lynch" you're talking about ? Wait. You're talking about Kaenu here then. You're saying that it's weird that I scumread both Kaenu and Vald here: On February 13 2016 07:00 Iwasrobik wrote:
Town:
Kush
Saimata
Probably town:
Wartruk
Maybe town:
Gargamel
Scum:
Keanu
Valdiano
Will explain in a little bit when I'm in front of my laptop During N1, because, Kaenu was the "main force behind Vlad's lynch". You cannot believe that for real. Kaenu at this point had only indicated Vlad as town. Wtf are you talking about? Its super simple. At EoD 2 I was scumreading Keanu cause I thought he was covering Warty, he was voting Valdi and suspecting me additionally. My point against you being that in this time your confidence into the valdi lynch never faltered even though your other scumread keanu was voting him, at least I believe you were scumreading him at the time.
The point where I started to think kaenu wasn't scum:
On February 14 2016 08:10 Iwasrobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2016 08:06 keanuisgod wrote:
Ok.
My "narrative" regarding robik is this:
I'm thinking that robik (and scumteam by association) think the medic is between Gargy/Warty (whoever is townie between thme or both), so he HAS to go after me and leave those two be to be safe. I mean, you can't prop up the medic as your D3 mislynch since once he claims your plans are fucked.
So he HAS to make a shitty case on me and push me as "obvious scum" for it to work, i.e it's less risky for scum.
Valdi can be scumbuddy under the bus or just townie robik is latching on for D2 misslynch
But well, obviously this is a narrative that only works assuming he's scum No wait this obviously is super bad but this post is 90% from a townie. Shapelog attacked me with narrative like that in a game I didn't have time to play, keanu is shape right ? I read that somewhere.
The point where Kaenu mentioned he could be OK lynching Vlad:
On February 15 2016 06:27 keanuisgod wrote:
Okay, I may end up sheeping into the Valdi wagon but first I'll finish rereading.
@Gargy: To be honest until right now I get the feeling you are more likely to be town and Warty to be scum, any "chainsaw defense" is actually an attack on your reasoning, not any actual defense. Anyways don't really worry about me
So you're wrong.
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Why did you think Watruk tinfoiled on me ?
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Why did you think Kaenu was the "main force behind Vlad's lynch" ?
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Why were you present 1h50 before D2 lynch and 30 minutes after it but AFK during it ?
Why did you never give a read on Vlad near D2's lynch when it was clear he was probably the lynch and you posted very close to the lynch ? Besides the "Vlad = HTS = town" read.
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On February 17 2016 20:21 GargamelxD wrote:you just made me realize i was thinking that keanu was voting valdi back then: + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2016 04:48 GargamelxD wrote:
you call my argument a strawman and then proceed to post a strawman? hilarious.
youve never even made an accusation like the one on this page in the first place (which is the strawman), instead posted some theory how me and warty are mafia cause our votes are placed badly in your opinion. Why are they placed badly? Cause they're not on valdi.
Why are they bad and not on valdi? Cause you are voting valdi and not warty (even though you have a case for voting warty or me here).
For you to think that we are wasting our votes you have to think that we are town, which isn't in line with what you posted so far. Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 19:43 Iwasrobik wrote:
Why did you think Watruk tinfoiled on me ? Cause you said you thought he town for tinfoil, which you by the way adressed as a joke not long ago so seems like an out of place question now (this makes it look like you're just spamming whatever you can in an attempt to make me look bad).
Again, for the third time, that didn't happen. I townread kaenu for tinfoil not Wartruk.
Every point you said against me were false:
"I used a dumbtell to townread wartruk and was apolegitic about it" => didn't happen
"I townread wartruk because he tinfoiled me" => didn't happen.
"I scumread Kaenu who was the main force behind Vlad's lynch" => didn't happen.
Your recent suspicions against me are only starting now that I'm pretty sure you are the last scum, and are based on things that didn't happen. You're OMGUSing me. Nothing about Wartruk has changed, you didn't post any change to your read of him, but for some reason you're attacking me now.
On February 17 2016 20:21 GargamelxD wrote:Cause of my argument with him in which he went after me when I was wanting the warty lynch (this way actually preventing people from maybe wrongly going for warty ) and cause I wrongly believed he was voting for him earlier. For some reason I still give keanu most credit for that lynch, not you, cause he kept people on course while I didn't, and cause I don't remember you being particularly memorable or even around during our argument.
You're wrong. I'm telling you you're lying when you're saying " I still give keanu most credit for that lynch, not you, cause he kept people on course while I didn't, and cause I don't remember you being particularly memorable or even around during our argument". Prove it's true or shut up.
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On February 17 2016 22:32 GargamelxD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 22:18 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 17 2016 20:21 GargamelxD wrote:you just made me realize i was thinking that keanu was voting valdi back then: + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2016 04:48 GargamelxD wrote:
you call my argument a strawman and then proceed to post a strawman? hilarious.
youve never even made an accusation like the one on this page in the first place (which is the strawman), instead posted some theory how me and warty are mafia cause our votes are placed badly in your opinion. Why are they placed badly? Cause they're not on valdi.
Why are they bad and not on valdi? Cause you are voting valdi and not warty (even though you have a case for voting warty or me here).
For you to think that we are wasting our votes you have to think that we are town, which isn't in line with what you posted so far. On February 17 2016 19:43 Iwasrobik wrote:
Why did you think Watruk tinfoiled on me ? Cause you said you thought he town for tinfoil, which you by the way adressed as a joke not long ago so seems like an out of place question now (this makes it look like you're just spamming whatever you can in an attempt to make me look bad). Again, for the third time, that didn't happen. I townread kaenu for tinfoil not Wartruk. Every point you said against me were false: "I used a dumbtell to townread wartruk and was apolegitic about it" => didn't happen "I townread wartruk because he tinfoiled me" => didn't happen. "I scumread Kaenu who was the main force behind Vlad's lynch" => didn't happen. Your recent suspicions against me are only starting now that I'm pretty sure you are the last scum, and are based on things that didn't happen. You're OMGUSing me. Nothing about Wartruk has changed, you didn't post any change to your read of him, but for some reason you're attacking me now. On February 17 2016 20:21 GargamelxD wrote:Why did you think Kaenu was the "main force behind Vlad's lynch" ? Cause of my argument with him in which he went after me when I was wanting the warty lynch (this way actually preventing people from maybe wrongly going for warty ) and cause I wrongly believed he was voting for him earlier. For some reason I still give keanu most credit for that lynch, not you, cause he kept people on course while I didn't, and cause I don't remember you being particularly memorable or even around during our argument. You're wrong. I'm telling you you're lying when you're saying " I still give keanu most credit for that lynch, not you, cause he kept people on course while I didn't, and cause I don't remember you being particularly memorable or even around during our argument". Prove it's true or shut up. If that didn't happen then what is the reason for you townreading Warty? The dumbtell was a joke, the tinfoil is wrong, so what are we left with for you to TR him all of a sudden?
It happened that I reread the game and you're scum for the reasons I've explained. Watruk is not super townie, but the relations between Vlad and him compared to the relations with Vlad and you strongly points at you. You're also both low activity level players, but his lurkiness is more consistent and constantly explained, while you're AFKing at strategical moment without explaining. Exactly like Vlad here or Palmar in Star Wars.
There are also small things that are pretty weak by themselves but points him as town and you as scum:
- your TMI post on LS being lynchbait
- his "THIS LYNCH IS BAD" posts EOD1
- you usually showing up only when you need to defend yourself
- him voting Vlad when he could have fake AFKed or just not vote so Vlad is not lynched
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On February 17 2016 22:32 GargamelxD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 22:18 Iwasrobik wrote:On February 17 2016 20:21 GargamelxD wrote:you just made me realize i was thinking that keanu was voting valdi back then: + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2016 04:48 GargamelxD wrote:
you call my argument a strawman and then proceed to post a strawman? hilarious.
youve never even made an accusation like the one on this page in the first place (which is the strawman), instead posted some theory how me and warty are mafia cause our votes are placed badly in your opinion. Why are they placed badly? Cause they're not on valdi.
Why are they bad and not on valdi? Cause you are voting valdi and not warty (even though you have a case for voting warty or me here).
For you to think that we are wasting our votes you have to think that we are town, which isn't in line with what you posted so far. On February 17 2016 19:43 Iwasrobik wrote:
Why did you think Watruk tinfoiled on me ? Cause you said you thought he town for tinfoil, which you by the way adressed as a joke not long ago so seems like an out of place question now (this makes it look like you're just spamming whatever you can in an attempt to make me look bad). Again, for the third time, that didn't happen. I townread kaenu for tinfoil not Wartruk. Every point you said against me were false: "I used a dumbtell to townread wartruk and was apolegitic about it" => didn't happen "I townread wartruk because he tinfoiled me" => didn't happen. "I scumread Kaenu who was the main force behind Vlad's lynch" => didn't happen. Your recent suspicions against me are only starting now that I'm pretty sure you are the last scum, and are based on things that didn't happen. You're OMGUSing me. Nothing about Wartruk has changed, you didn't post any change to your read of him, but for some reason you're attacking me now. On February 17 2016 20:21 GargamelxD wrote:Why did you think Kaenu was the "main force behind Vlad's lynch" ? Cause of my argument with him in which he went after me when I was wanting the warty lynch (this way actually preventing people from maybe wrongly going for warty ) and cause I wrongly believed he was voting for him earlier. For some reason I still give keanu most credit for that lynch, not you, cause he kept people on course while I didn't, and cause I don't remember you being particularly memorable or even around during our argument. You're wrong. I'm telling you you're lying when you're saying " I still give keanu most credit for that lynch, not you, cause he kept people on course while I didn't, and cause I don't remember you being particularly memorable or even around during our argument". Prove it's true or shut up. If that didn't happen then what is the reason for you townreading Warty? The dumbtell was a joke, the tinfoil is wrong, so what are we left with for you to TR him all of a sudden?
Plus, way to deflect the question. You said a bunch of things to explain your sudden suspicion on me; they are are false. So what are your read on me now ?
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On February 17 2016 22:48 GargamelxD wrote:
There's still the fact remaining that now that we've dug up to the point that we know you aren't confident on either me or Warty, you are confident enough to put all eggs in a basket at mylo instead of no lynching, all cause you've written one case, but while having other arguments on warty you didn't seem to want to dig up.
You also don't seem interested into what me and keanu bring up on warty, just into lynching me.
Overall it's not helpful that you and warty show a similar behaviour in this, makes it harder to figure out the last one between you.
Anyone can write a case on someone in this game and sound somewhat right, but there's only one solution, and you believe you found it after your echange with warty that still leaves me wondering why you let him off the hook so quickly if not for convenience.
My case makes you scum beyond reasonable doubts. Feel free to answer it if you want to, but I don't think you can do anything to make me townread you, short of discovering a slam dunk scumslip in Wartruk's filter.
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On February 17 2016 22:50 GargamelxD wrote:
And the tactical afking is a pretty bad argument too, as activity is strictly individual and we're in a smurf game, doesn't matter if you mention others doing it.
I also don't see any relations between Valdi and me or warty that aren't relations Valdi wanted to be in the game.
Tactical AFKing is actually a super good way of discovering scum, even good ones.
I have no idea what you are saying in that second sentence, I've explained in the case why your interactions with Vlad makes you way more likely partner than Wartruk.
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To add on "AFKing on tactical moments without explanation"
Rels and Superbia did it in PYP.
Palmar did it in Star Wars.
Vlad did it in this game.
It is something scum just feels the need to do sometimes as posting all the time as scum is super hard.
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marv did it in super small mafia II too
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On February 17 2016 23:05 GargamelxD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 22:59 Iwasrobik wrote:
To add on "AFKing on tactical moments without explanation"
Rels and Superbia did it in PYP.
Palmar did it in Star Wars.
Vlad did it in this game.
It is something scum just feels the need to do sometimes as posting all the time as scum is super hard. If activity is so predictive of mafia, why was the D1 lynch town? Sod off with such arguments, they are the kind of arguments that you can disprove with 1 example. They come from people who think can prove all apples are red by trying to find red apples....
Cause not all scum do that ???? What I'm saying is "If someone AFKs several times for long stretches of time and comes back without explaining it like nothing happened, it's more like coming from scum than town". Like all heuristic in mafia, it's not 100% but it's surprisingly good for his apparent dumbness.
And I'm tired of talking to you. Do one of these things please:
- reread my filter and Wartruk filter and decide who you want to push and why
- shut up
- concede
Thanks.
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On February 17 2016 23:11 Iwasrobik wrote:
And I'm tired of talking to you. Do one of these things please:
- reread my filter and Wartruk filter and decide who you want to push and why
- shut up
- concede
Thanks.
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I'm eating out tonight ^^ so I won't be on a computer before like 2 hours before deadline. I will be kinda there with phone though.
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Garga did you read any posts that made you settle your mind on those reads ? Did you reread anything ?
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