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nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 13 2016 22:51 GMT
#441
We are at a fancy restaurant now. She's in the bathroom. I'll try to make sense of all the recent posting tomorrow.

Right now I'm thinking scum is valdi plus garg or wartrukk. Those reads are kinda uninformed though
Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 13 2016 22:57 GMT
#442
On February 13 2016 09:14 Iwasrobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 09:06 Wartrukk wrote:
So on first read I hate gargamel and want him to be died. He quite obviously cares less about this game than I do and that's just fucked

I had a townread on him for some reason reading the thread. Let's see why.
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2016 12:26 GargamelxD wrote:
cant really take any posts seriously so far, no analysis possible becouse it still seems like standard banter

I first had a scumread for this post.
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
he could be SL maybe, either that or ls

either way i think goldrom is VA and i want to kill him with fire

##Vote 77Goldrom

Oh yeah, he was one of the first to take a firm stance for the lynch. Town points.
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On February 11 2016 21:45 GargamelxD wrote:
i dont see any issues with unholy as he just postponed his actual play which i also did, and his entrance wasnt as awkward as roms. he actually took interest into what was happening and gave a bit of his opinion on smurf hunting.

in rom you have a guy who apologizes for being late, claims his role, asks about the latest news and in the next post acts like he doesnt care.

Not scumreading me when I was an easy ML.
+
Having strong opinions in his few posts.

Not confirmed town but likely IMO.

Oh yeah I remember thinking this made sense at the time but this is actually such a bullshit reason. "Having strong opinions" and "taking a firm stance" but these things are backed up by nothing in garg's filter, it's like robik just grabbed a couple posts that sound good and called garg town.

+ Show Spoiler +
also "Not confirmed town but likely IMO." Is some weird language to use for some random posts
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 13 2016 22:58 GMT
#443
On February 14 2016 07:51 Wartrukk wrote:
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Regarding robik, he just came into the game so it'd be hard to gauge alignment just on a couple of posts. However, I'm getting strong suspicions on him being scum.
His demeanor sticks out in a weird manner, since he JUST came into the game and is acting like he solved everything and he caught the scumteam and has NO doubts whatsoever about anything .... when it's MYLO. I'd presume he'd be MORE confused than us in this game since he missed D1 and a lot of stuff, not that he'd be more confident than ANY of us. Also, if I assume he's town the way he made his reads feels weird. Like, Garga and Warty seem "likely town so I'll leave them alone" (which to be honest is somewhat what I did with the "Standby" pile up there). So from his POV the ONLY thing left is accuse me of being scum (assuming NNN is town and scum have no way of believably go against him). His case is bad, the way he approached his read on me is weird too. It feels like the only reason he's FOSing me is because of PoE, not because he thinks I'm scum in an independent manner.
From my POV, if Garga and Warty are still in that Standby(me)/Likely town(robik) pile, then it doesn't make sense for robik to go after me with such conviction instead of taking a step back and figure out if his actual (admitted by him as not strong) reads on Garga and Warty. This makes perfect sense if he's scum and found some "scummy" posts of mine to scapegoat while not wanting to go against the flow and accuse someone of Garga/Warty. If he's scum with Valdi then Gargy/Warty/me(obs) are all town so he HAS to pick one to scapegoat, and apparently I have the scummiest posts. He could also be scum with one of Gargy/Warty so in that case he'd obviously have some agenda (not to push his buddy for instance).
Also I had my (very small) suspicions of unholy back on D1 (which I think I already posted), so it doesn't feel out of place for robik to be scum (considering unholy).


I did notice he gave me my well deserved townread when nobody else did, but it's weird that you say he could be with valdi but that would imply you are the scummiest of the reest of the townies. This is incorrect, going for the low hanging fruit is often called out on TL from what I see.

Yeah, fuck, I'll read robik's filter brb


Are you saying I am NOT the scummiest of the rest of the townies, or that I AM the scummiest of the rest of the townies?
Don't follow, who is the "low-hanging-fruit" here?
Whoa!
Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 13 2016 23:02 GMT
#444
you not scummy
Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 13 2016 23:03 GMT
#445
Probably me or valdi at this point since valdi has so much heat and hasn't defended himself
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 13 2016 23:06 GMT
#446
Ok.

My "narrative" regarding robik is this:
I'm thinking that robik (and scumteam by association) think the medic is between Gargy/Warty (whoever is townie between thme or both), so he HAS to go after me and leave those two be to be safe. I mean, you can't prop up the medic as your D3 mislynch since once he claims your plans are fucked.
So he HAS to make a shitty case on me and push me as "obvious scum" for it to work, i.e it's less risky for scum.
Valdi can be scumbuddy under the bus or just townie robik is latching on for D2 misslynch

But well, obviously this is a narrative that only works assuming he's scum
Whoa!
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 13 2016 23:09 GMT
#447
Yo I'm super drunk so I'll pass out and wont come back before tomorrow. Some posts made me want to puke more than alcohol though during reading, by both warttuk on my reads that are suddenly bullshit and kaenu s attack on me
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 13 2016 23:10 GMT
#448
On February 14 2016 08:06 keanuisgod wrote:
Ok.

My "narrative" regarding robik is this:
I'm thinking that robik (and scumteam by association) think the medic is between Gargy/Warty (whoever is townie between thme or both), so he HAS to go after me and leave those two be to be safe. I mean, you can't prop up the medic as your D3 mislynch since once he claims your plans are fucked.
So he HAS to make a shitty case on me and push me as "obvious scum" for it to work, i.e it's less risky for scum.
Valdi can be scumbuddy under the bus or just townie robik is latching on for D2 misslynch

But well, obviously this is a narrative that only works assuming he's scum

No wait this obviously is super bad but this post is 90% from a townie. Shapelog attacked me with narrative like that in a game I didn't have time to play, keanu is shape right ? I read that somewhere.
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 13 2016 23:11 GMT
#449
Meh can't think will read that tomorrow when my gf is not watching. Warttuk prob scum for bring "yeah robik you're right!" Yesterday and now he is "yea kaenu you're right!"
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 13 2016 23:13 GMT
#450
Head is spinning see you tomorrow
Wartrukk
Profile Joined February 2016
152 Posts
February 13 2016 23:13 GMT
#451
Well, last night I thought you made sense, now I think keanu makes sense. No issues from me there
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 13 2016 23:15 GMT
#452
Yeah and when you thought I made sense you were like "yeah valdi used to make sense to me but now that you're pointing it out he didn't"
Read changing depending on the person you're talking to
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 13 2016 23:16 GMT
#453
Well since you agreed valdi was scum I'm sure you will have no prob lynching him
Good night
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 13 2016 23:38 GMT
#454
Am I missing something with Valdi?

NNN's scumread on him apparently is only based on him being NocturneMage
Garga's townread on him apparently is only based on him being HalfTheSky

What's there left for us that don't believe in smurfhunting (or don't understand the meta reads based on the above players)? Only robik's case so far.

Anything else?
Whoa!
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
February 14 2016 00:08 GMT
#455
His play is pure nitpicking
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 14 2016 01:08 GMT
#456
You here NNN? Thoughts on robik?
Whoa!
Valdiano
Profile Joined February 2016
16 Posts
February 14 2016 05:26 GMT
#457
sigh, real life is really getting in the way here. I'd say more but I'll reserve it for postgame.

to the people commenting on why my saita push didn't go anywhere, I'd have preferred to engage him more. The first response he had to me was satisfactory, it was the one where he said he wanted to find a motive behind the post, which is why he wanted to play a more or less reactive game.

also it was either keanu or robik, it's also hard to engage with the thread when you don't really have the time to play, only options are those people who are around when I am. bhall I was trying to pick his brain before I had to go again.

wartruckk's end of day comments - the wagon being trash makes no sense but at that time it's not like his vote would have done anything anyhow.

I'll return and catch up fully later sunday.
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 15:15 GMT
#458
On February 14 2016 03:47 keanuisgod wrote:
Anyways robik, I am not sure you believe your own case against me, it seems to me like you haven't even read my filter (though I'm biased since I now my alignment obs).

Your only points are:
- "Fluff" posts and "He's not trying to solve the game" attitude when it was like 2-4 hours into D1, conveniently ignoring anything else from late-D1 (where shit actually matters).
- The Bhaal case, which also had an illogical point (the last one). I can't really call you out on you thinking that about me because of the Bhaal case since you weren't there in the thread when it happened (though I guess you can still reread the thread carefully to figure things out). So I'll ignore that (other than the bad point you made). I advise you to reread that part of the thread carefully.
- Don't call too many people scum. I can see how you may think this might be "scummy" in isolation, but context is everything so I believe just reading the thread and my filter would dissipate any doubts regarding this point.

The last point was the reason I was sure you were scum. Now I think you're town, but maybe try to take stronger stances in the future, as you didn't take one the whole game. For example, your votes were "fuck it I'm voting LS", "damnit I'm voting goldrom the only lynch potential" and "I'm bored I'm voting robik". Even now against me, you're unsure and it seems like you're asking others' opinion to scumread me. Being that indecisive is the easiest way to be manipulated in mafia; do stuff, attack people on things you think make them scum, make them react. That's what I did, and I think you're town now 'casue of your thinking about why I would attack you as scum was kinda smart.
On February 14 2016 03:47 keanuisgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote:
To finish quickly before leaving:
kush is town 'cause he is the the main force behind discussion in this game, and scum has an hard time doing that; and kush is a pretty lazy scum.


You know NNN's smurf?

Yep I'm quite sure it's kush. He misposted in this game as noon, and he misposted in star wars mafia as nnn.
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 15:20 GMT
#459
On February 14 2016 05:16 keanuisgod wrote:
These are robik's thoughts on Garga and Warty:

Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 09:14 Iwasrobik wrote:
On February 13 2016 09:06 Wartrukk wrote:
So on first read I hate gargamel and want him to be died. He quite obviously cares less about this game than I do and that's just fucked

I had a townread on him for some reason reading the thread. Let's see why.
On February 10 2016 12:26 GargamelxD wrote:
cant really take any posts seriously so far, no analysis possible becouse it still seems like standard banter

I first had a scumread for this post.
On February 11 2016 15:57 GargamelxD wrote:
he could be SL maybe, either that or ls

either way i think goldrom is VA and i want to kill him with fire

##Vote 77Goldrom

Oh yeah, he was one of the first to take a firm stance for the lynch. Town points.
On February 11 2016 21:45 GargamelxD wrote:
i dont see any issues with unholy as he just postponed his actual play which i also did, and his entrance wasnt as awkward as roms. he actually took interest into what was happening and gave a bit of his opinion on smurf hunting.

in rom you have a guy who apologizes for being late, claims his role, asks about the latest news and in the next post acts like he doesnt care.

Not scumreading me when I was an easy ML.
+
Having strong opinions in his few posts.

Not confirmed town but likely IMO.


Weak town read on Garga

Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote:
Wartruk is (probably) town 'cause of his attack on kush very early, when kush is the main force behind discussion blablabla, and thus a pretty bad target to attack for scum. And his posts EOD1 are way too obviously bad for scums to make I think, I'm wary of that one but that's what I think.


Weak town read on Warty

Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 10:20 Iwasrobik wrote:
I think I have everyone ? The two scums, I explained why gargamed was maybe town above. Pretty sure kaenu and Valdia are the 2 scums.


We are in MYLO yet he's "pretty sure" he found the whole scumteam, when he still has (admited by him) weak town reads on Garga and Warty.

Dunno about you, but if I have 2 dudes just with slight town reads (hell, it may even reflect my own reads on Garga and Warty so far), I am not going to wager MYLO on fixating my scum reads on the remaining 2 people and call it a day.

The most important thing I'd be doing is dispelling or confirming those "weak" town reads on Garga and Warty. However, this doesn't seem to be on robik's mind since he hasn't addressed Garga nor Warty to figure out their alignment once in this game so far.
This is the most sketchy thing for me, specially when his case against me is so bad I can't believe he's that convinced by it.
His posts so far scream "hidden agenda" to me, not a townie trying to figure the game out so town can salvage something out of these 2-consecutive MYLOs we are going to have.

This post is so bad though it's making me doubt my townread. IF YOU RE TOWN STOP FITTING EVERYTHING INTO FUCKING NARRATIVES
Iwasrobik
Profile Joined February 2016
190 Posts
February 14 2016 15:23 GMT
#460
On February 14 2016 08:10 Iwasrobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 08:06 keanuisgod wrote:
Ok.

My "narrative" regarding robik is this:
I'm thinking that robik (and scumteam by association) think the medic is between Gargy/Warty (whoever is townie between thme or both), so he HAS to go after me and leave those two be to be safe. I mean, you can't prop up the medic as your D3 mislynch since once he claims your plans are fucked.
So he HAS to make a shitty case on me and push me as "obvious scum" for it to work, i.e it's less risky for scum.
Valdi can be scumbuddy under the bus or just townie robik is latching on for D2 misslynch

But well, obviously this is a narrative that only works assuming he's scum

No wait this obviously is super bad but this post is 90% from a townie. Shapelog attacked me with narrative like that in a game I didn't have time to play, keanu is shape right ? I read that somewhere.

Meh. I can't see scum imagining that, it's sooo complicated when kaenu already has reasons to scumread me. Probably tonw.
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