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You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. Roughly speaking, this equates to a bare minimum of one post per 36 hours. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled or replaced. How are you getting 36 hours? | ||
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On January 19 2016 06:21 Onegu wrote: 48+24/2=36 Fuck order of operations. once per day/night cycle. which means once per day and night together. which is 72 hours. | ||
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2. Tumblewood-smurf 3. JesusIncarnate-smurf 4. Alur-newb 5. Kuragari42-smurf 6. darthfoley -newb 7. Ikidomari -newb 8. _MexicanAlien -smurf | ||
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On January 23 2016 02:41 _MexicanAlien wrote: What is a smurf? Is it lower than a newbie? ya smurfs are the lowest of the low | ||
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On January 23 2016 04:57 JesusIncarnate wrote: i am not a smurf You obviously made an account just to play in this game. What is your story? Have you come from another mafia site or were you a tl lurker without an account who wanted to try mafia? | ||
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2. Tumblewood-smurf 3. JesusIncarnate-pro 4. Alur-newb 5. Kuragari42-newb 6. darthfoley -newb 7. Ikidomari -newb 8. _MexicanAlien -newb | ||
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plynches are so underrated. | ||
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The New Eden (1892) | ||
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On January 25 2016 21:58 Half the Sky wrote: Aside from the Canadians, we have 1-2 Brasilians, 3-4 people in Finland (case in point, the host for this game), and 2-3 Aussies I've seen play in the last few months IIRC. This is largely because of the standard deadline times for most TL games, the vast majority of the time, the moderators default it to 2300 GMT, but some may change it to a US-peak time (in which case, most EU players generally are forced to AFK the deadline) or 1-2 hours around the unofficial default. edit: this game it appears there is one Aussie though. First one I've seen from Africa though. Welcome in any case. We should use UTC rather than GMT. | ||
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chupazi is a made up word. | ||
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On January 26 2016 05:47 LoneMeow wrote: Missing one confirmation so not starting tonight. Game is now set to start Tuesday, Jan 26 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ) WHO DIDN'T CONFIRM... | ||
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On January 26 2016 04:15 Alakaslam wrote: *chupazic trolling off* I always wax dramatic and find cryptic stuff. Enigma is my meta, therefore it is also my style. 80% of the time, it is meaningless 100% of the time. Also, I love vague allusions. Ritoky said "Show them the eye". So I googled "The Eye", and was pleased with the result I have shown you The Eye basically the scumteam is fucked | ||
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Ok so it must ikidomari. | ||
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On January 27 2016 08:30 PepperMintTea wrote: Onegu seems keen to help people out as a veteran player. I hope this continues and develops into more substantial observations. So this makes him lean town or no? | ||
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On January 27 2016 08:30 PepperMintTea wrote: Shapelogseems to strike me as overexcited or nervous. I also do not believe he is reading the game carefully enough and he just spouts whatever comes into his head. At first his read of "town lean on MexicanAlien" seems rather farfetched This seems contradictory. Nervous people don't spout whatever comes into their head. | ||
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On January 27 2016 08:41 PepperMintTea wrote: Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue. Ignoring the read therefore, I typically see the excessive posting of nonsense as a town trait where he isn't being too careful about anything. So I would have Shapelog leaning town for now. How do you know this when you have no experience to back it up? This being your first game of forum mafia and all. | ||
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On January 27 2016 08:41 PepperMintTea wrote: Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue. Ignoring the read therefore, I typically see the excessive posting of nonsense as a town trait where he isn't being too careful about anything. So I would have Shapelog leaning town for now. but don't these points contradict each other? (a) he's nervous, which makes him (b) talk a lot of nonsense. (b) talking a lot of nonsense makes him (c)townie. So then by the transitive relation, a=c, him being nervous makes him townie. Why would townies be nervous? | ||
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On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote: 2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien. He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs). What could be wifom and why is it wifom? FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles. 3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times: Why is it scummy to be casual? Going forward: Talk about other players. Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed. He already explained it I think. | ||
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I can't understand her reads. | ||
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But I think scum are more likely to post like that which makes her more likely to be scum. | ||
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because pmt made a good point against onegu. | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:56 Onegu wrote: Really disappoint here you are much better than this kush. how so when I mislynched you 2 games ago... | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:31 Onegu wrote: Trfel 100% scum. Confirmed now. You are welcome. WHY | ||
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On January 28 2016 02:42 Trfel wrote: Fine. Next time, please don't assume that you know everything. What was nooniansoong trying to say by the last quote? Alur's conclusion about _MexicanAlien wasn't very clear, because when he explained it, he said that he thinks it's WIFOM, and WIFOM isn't alignment indicative. It seems that Alur feels that _MexicanAlien is town for reasons that are partially WIFOM, but it's not completely clear. Furthermore, what is nooniansoong saying when he says that the point makes sense? Does this mean that he understands it, or agrees with it? The two are very different things. hi trfel. I interpreted Alur to mean the following, and I thought it made sense: MA thought you shouldn't discuss role setup because it would help scum. That could be a dumbtell. Mafia is told the setup, but town only knows mafia is told the setup if they read the rules carefully. (For instance, I did not know mafia knew the setup). But on the oher hand mafia could be wifoming you by pretending they didn'tknow. | ||
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On January 28 2016 03:10 Onegu wrote: @Kush Its in my filter why he is scum. He is only asking questions and giving little to no follow up on the questions he was asking. Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads. If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy." | ||
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On January 28 2016 03:18 _MexicanAlien wrote: Could everyone, please, in their next post, even if they have done it already, simply state your top three mafia suspects? Only if you are willing. I just want motives to be clearer. Top three suspects in order. If you want to include reasoning feel free. Thank you 1) onegu 2) secret 3) secret | ||
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On January 27 2016 22:17 JesusIncarnate wrote: lol people like eden are falling for the simple mafia strat for noobs "I will act stupid and hope people townread me" Here he is assuming Eden is town, yet he also says: Eden is up in the air for me. trfel seems pretty town to me. other people i honestly dont care about. | ||
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On January 28 2016 06:01 darthfoley wrote: Pepperminttea is now in my town list I concur. That is a very good point about tumblewood. | ||
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Next level scumread on alur. Don't ask for reasons. Dunno about not. Sheanout. | ||
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I agree. Only reason I said it is if I'm I right I can brag about being right d1 | ||
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On January 28 2016 08:07 Trfel wrote: EBWOP: Why is Eden1892 scum? I don't care about why I'm town. Also, I really do think that Tumblewood is town, but I would really appreciate him answering my question, since I could be wrong. Why did you vote for him then... | ||
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eden is not gonna get lynched today. i dont want to give him tips for how to look more townie. | ||
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That's what I like to tell myself. But the reality is that all my reads are based on vague paranoia rather than reasoning. I second guessed myself on onegu and PMT. I guess i'd be most comfortable with voting for Jesusincarnate because he was treating eden like assumed town then he says eden is up in the air. See my earlier post on the matter. @trfel Play like you would normally play imo. Right now you are acting condescendingly towards the poor newbs. If you want to look down on the newbs, be a coach. In this game we are their peers. | ||
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Trfel u got some problems with your case you need to explain. On January 28 2016 09:31 Trfel wrote: Tumblewood explained his read on Shapelog at my request, you can see this explanation here. Here, he describes why he's continuing to scumread Shapelog. However, you can see that all of the posts he quoted are between his first and second longer posts. Note that in the first post, he discounted Shapelog's "strange" play as non alignment indicative, and in the second, he said that Shapelog was scummy because of his extremely scummy play early on (pre page 16). However, the posts that Tumblewood mentions were all after page 16. This explanation isn't possible. Tumble doesn't say shape is NAI in his first post. He says one thing shape does is NAI but overall the read on shape is scummy. | ||
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On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote: Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far: Town: (none yet) Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien Scum: Shapelog My reasoning on Shapelog: Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are: and In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before. | ||
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On January 28 2016 10:40 Trfel wrote: On phone, but that's not what Tumble said. He said that he wasnt really reading shape as anything except for that specific thing that he mentioned. And either way, it isn't important to the reasons I gave. If you have reasons go TR Tumble, please share. tube says shape's metaread on me was NAI and him calling himself town was scummy. Later tumble specifies why he thinks SHape is scummier than darth, despite them both implying that themselves are town: Shapelog is just throwing an accusation out (trying to buddy) without much support at all. You can have a town read with few posts, and saying someone's trying to buddy in that situation is really off-putting. He also said many times that he wanted to filter dive certain people or that he wanted to revisit my case on him and never followed up. The part where he explains why he townreads darth is still incoming. However I believe he asked a question to darth which darth answered so it may have to do with that. | ||
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On January 28 2016 10:44 Trfel wrote: Sure, someone new might believe that. There's nothing wrong with it. Your point? my point is that if you accept that as an acceptable reason to scumread someone, tumbleweed's reads make perfect sense. | ||
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On January 28 2016 10:40 Trfel wrote: On phone, but that's not what Tumble said. He said that he wasnt really reading shape as anything except for that specific thing that he mentioned. And either way, it isn't important to the reasons I gave. If you have reasons go TR Tumble, please share. tumble says shape's metaread on me was NAI and him calling himself town was scummy. Later tumble specifies why he thinks SHape is scummier than darth, despite them both implying that themselves are town: Shapelog is just throwing an accusation out (trying to buddy) without much support at all. You can have a town read with few posts, and saying someone's trying to buddy in that situation is really off-putting. He also said many times that he wanted to filter dive certain people or that he wanted to revisit my case on him and never followed up. The part where he explains why he townreads darth is still incoming. However I believe he asked a question to darth which darth answered so it may have to do with that.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On January 28 2016 03:32 nooniansoong wrote: I wish Jesus spoke english better. Here he is assuming Eden is town, yet he also says: this is my reasoning behind jesus. It's not great but jesus doesn't have a lot of filter to go off of. Which is another reason why he's a good d1 lynch, coincidentally. | ||
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Your case on tumblewood regarding page 16 makes no sense to me. Tumblewood said shape was scummy before page 16. Then he gives quotes from after page 16 to demonstrate why he's scummy. That is what you are talking about right? The way I interpret that is he is looking at those quotes after page 16 as additional evidence, and he feels the pre 16 stuff has already been layed out. | ||
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Not telling. Get a majority of votes on me and maybe I will tell you. | ||
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On January 29 2016 01:38 darthfoley wrote: This is so god damn bad. Either you're doc and you just outed yourself, or you're mafia and let slip that we're playing either A or C. There's a 3/13 chance your mafia, there's a 1/13 chance you're doc. And you're scummy as hell ##Unvote ##Vote: Kuragari OR he didn't understand the setup. | ||
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On January 29 2016 01:44 Shapelog wrote: No, in fact it is really good. Just the fact that there is a guy who slip something that is incredible scummy has gotten me to think maybe I am wrong with one of them (Eden and Darth pool). I am debating who to vote. no theory based on a connection between three hypothetical scum d1 is good. | ||
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On January 29 2016 01:47 Alur wrote: Noon please answer the question you neglected to answer earlier: no. like i said before. get a majority of votes on either me or trfel then I might explain. | ||
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3. JesusIncarnate 4. Alur 10. Onegu 13. Shapelog | ||
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On January 29 2016 01:52 Shapelog wrote: You're just mad that I did the same thing to you with Rik and Giyga Khan in Nutcracker aren't you? Also duh ik, But if we end up lynching Ikido and he flips scum, then I already have a direction to go into and poke. but you were wrong then so why so sure that you're right now? | ||
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On January 29 2016 01:54 Shapelog wrote: Is Bragging rights the only reason why you are even playing at this point? hmmm. I wouldn't say that. I would say that my primary objective is to be right, rather than to win. | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:34 Alur wrote: You're saying I opened up by bussing my fellow scum, while continuously being critical of his playstyle. While also slightly leaning scum on Onegu, and stating that only 1 of Onegu and Trfel could be mafia. So even if I were to help getting Trfel lynched, it would put immense pressure on my scummate. Well there's 4 people there so at least 1 has to be wrong lol... Honestly i have very little confidence in that. | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:39 Shapelog wrote: To be honest it doesn't even make sense kush, due to how all those 4 players have interacted with each other. Only one that makes sense really is Me/Trofl/Alur since we all have town read/lean each other. Ya without a doubt I'm wrong on almost everyone probably lol. | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:51 Alur wrote: I assume you have no reasons or that you're not willing to share them. If he were scum he would have known that there isn't definitely a doc. Instead he read something and misinterpreted it to mean there was a doc | ||
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I think scum know that there are options for prs, and only they know which option it is. I think town is more likely to not know that there isn't definitely a doctor. That's a confusing sentence, sorry. Therefore I think kura dumbtelled himself town. | ||
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On January 29 2016 03:52 Alur wrote: The thing I don't like about Eden's cases, is how much conviction he has behind some of his reads when he introduces them. I also don't think Ikidokaris reads were contradictory, just vague or poorly explained. #368: "- Shapelog is obviously town, and the first thing I want to do when I get the motivation to read this game in detail (which will be tomorrow, hold me to this and don't let me be lazy) is to read the sequence of people scumreading him early while it was the "in" read to give, because I'm almost positive scum were involved in that." Sidenote: I guess we forgot to hold him his promise and let him be lazy. #671: "This Ikidomari guy is basically lock scum, we can lynch him too." It at least seems plausible that Ikidomaris post was the result of a nervous first time mafia player, being late to the thread. Which in turn makes Eden's case seems slightly opportunistic. Alas, it could very well be that Eden is just a more confident player than I am. Two things come to my mind. 1. Pretending you are certain someone is scum is not bad. It's called posturing, and it can act as additional pressure on that player. 2. It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't posturing even. I found his cases quite convincing, even though they didn't convince me. | ||
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2. Tumblewood 3. JesusIncarnate 4. Alur 7. Ikidomari 9. Trfel 10. Onegu 11. _MexicanAlien | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:06 PepperMintTea wrote: Kura or tumblewood, decided not to lynch Jesus let's get it down to two. why not | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:23 Alur wrote: Noon, you were very adamant about not telling me why you townread Trfel. Now hes on your rather large scumlist, without any explanation as to why. Whats happened? I'm assuming you're not gonna tell me. But I should at least point it out to the town. basically i'm wavering on him and on the fence. I can't give you details about why because i haven't looked at him closely yet. | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:29 Alur wrote: Just gonna reiterate that he should only claim if he's actually a role. If he's VT he should just convince us he's town. Also to the rest of town: If claims happen, be ready to change your lynchvotes accordingly. Not much time left, so things might happen quickly. um what's the difference if he doesn't claim everyone will know he's a vt anyway.. | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:31 _MexicanAlien wrote: A claim would be pointless though....right? Because he if he was Townie: He would claim Vanilla Townie If he was Mafia: He would claim to be Vanilla Townie + Show Spoiler + or *insert blue role*. To seem valuable. If he was *Blue Role*: He should claim Vanilla Townie. + Show Spoiler + since claiming to be a blue role would not only be very suspicious, it would be counterproductive. The Mafia would now know one of the blues No. If he's a blue role he should claim blue role. Then we won't lynch him. We can verify his role later in the game. If he's a blue role and he claims vt, then he's going to get lynched anyway and everyone will know his role after he's dead. And this is only if getting lynched is a certainty. In Kura's case, he won't be here EoD so doing it early is appropriate. | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:33 Kuragari42 wrote: Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR. So he's not as scummy because scummy people were attacking him? But if I recall it was mainly trfel who you have as a townread... and eden was defending him who you have as a scumread. So that makes no sense. | ||
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On January 29 2016 07:17 Eden1892 wrote: Shapelog, a word of advice. Focus on what matters. Don't say everything that pops into your head. It's not all gonna be useful. Don't listen to him lol. I love you shapelog. | ||
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On January 29 2016 08:26 _MexicanAlien wrote: What the even they just made "show all" a premium feature. Hurry up and use filters before they change that to premium too. I think it's just when the forum gets to be too many pages you can't do show all anymore. | ||
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On January 29 2016 08:30 _MexicanAlien wrote: Long post incoming So Alur is the first person to seriously scum read Kuragari + Show Spoiler + Alur: His initial series of posts suffered from being quite unoriginal, and his last set of posts throw flak on darthfoley for changing his opinion on things-.... he was once again not the first one to bring it up Alur's feel for Kuragari is that his play shows mafia indicators. Not exactly reason for voting. Alur:I'll just do this before I start my game, I think he's a better option atm. ##Vote: Kuragari42 Alur has been 'gone' after "switching to dota". He was gone for less than 15 minutes, and the first thing he does is vote on Kura? What seems to prompt this vote was a VC by LoneMeow. I think Alur was simply trying to stop the bandwagon on Onegu (4 votes at the time). Right after Alur votes, darthfoley does the same. + Show Spoiler + darthfoley:I'm more than fine with that. ##vote: Kuragari42 This looks to be a simple sheep, as darthfoley has agreed with all of Alur's scum read reasons. I suspect darthfoley was a little bit irritated at Kura's dumb read on him. OK so here I was interrupted by the stupid TL server telling me I need TL+ premium or some balony. Basically I feel the second vote was definitely for legit reasons, the first as well. As I'm on a phone the formats took forever to do and I'm tired. you say it's a sheep. how is that a legit reason. | ||
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Something that is hurting VCA right now is too potential scummers didn't even vote. | ||
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On January 29 2016 10:00 darthfoley wrote: This is true. I have heard remarkably little from you regarding your current reads in the game. Mind sharing any? Yes I mind. Braglist1.2 is not ready for release. | ||
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Tumblewood JesusIncarnate Ikidomari Onegu | ||
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On January 29 2016 10:24 Shapelog wrote: Possible. Personally I am town leaning Jesus right now because i doubt a First time mafia would stroll in and be that cocky. it isn't even a newbie thing to do, Just really weird. A course it is a tone thing, but his cockyness makes me think he is town. I admit his reads was a bit weak, but I still think he is town. Idk I check his filter in a few. He's not new. And he was arrogant before the game even started. On January 23 2016 11:15 JesusIncarnate wrote: I am a mafia grand master. I have come from multiple other mafia sites. shape and trfel did you not know about this quote or did you forget it? | ||
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Anyway tumblewood looks Scummy and I haven't even read his latest post yet. He's Scummy for simply how and when he's posting. Infrequent long posts not during eod. | ||
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Townread on MexicanAlien for sticking with the vote on me even as the Kuragari wagon picks up speed. Why | ||
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You said Jesus said fyi mafia Doesn't know the setup. Did you mean I said that? | ||
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You have to think a few levels deeper about this. Scum care more about looking town. | ||
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On January 29 2016 20:11 Ikidomari wrote: nooniansoong Votes: PeppermintTea, Onegu, JesusIncarnate. Total Votes: 3 [spoiler]Noon votes for peppermint simply because "I can't understand her reads", even though she explained her reads fairly well, I believe that she believes her reads. Posts 258, 260, 262, 267. Vote happened on 272. very early on Unvotes because PMT made a good read, Is now very confident in her read, votes Onegu because of PMT Noon makes a slight scum read on Jesus, Simply because Jesus calls Eden "stupid" and then Jesus says "Eden is u[ in the Air"- 519, again in 623 Votes Jesus in 646 Even though I agree with Noon's read on Jesus, I think his reasoning is weak, and he was just looking for someone to vote for. Another thing I'd like to point out, Jesus points out that "FYI, Mafia doesn't know the setup" - 268, even though it is clarified in Post#2 by LoneMeow that Mafia WILL know the setup. I think this is scummy as hell, it would be SO easy for a Mafia player to pretend they don't know the setup, and then get townread for not knowing that mafia know the setup. this may be WIFOM but Noon seems scummy as hell for me. Nooniansoong: SCUM You are misrepresenting me. Let me clarify my reads then we'll see if you still think I'm scummy. About PMT: What I didn't understand is her saying MA and Shape were talking a lot, nervous, and town. Those three things didn't fit together for me. Talking a lot doesn't fit with nervous. Nervous doesn't fit with town. About Jesus: He said Eden fell for newb scum tricks. Implicit in that statement is the assumption that Eden is town. Jesus later said that Eden was still up in the air. So if Jesus is making a statement assuming Eden is town, it does not make sense that his read on Eden is not also town. About me not knowing that mafia knew the setup: What makes me not knowing as town less likely than me pretending not to know as scum? I agree you should't townread me for that but to scumread me for it is a stretch. | ||
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On January 29 2016 22:22 Shapelog wrote: Ikido.... There are so many crappy reads. Big post picking apart Ikido reads. please include a tldr | ||
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On January 29 2016 22:38 Ikidomari wrote: You were never a top scum to me, Onegu and Trfel are far and away my biggest scum reads, I'm willing to believe you're town for now. thanks bro. | ||
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pmt - It wasn't clear to me she believed it. Why is it clear to you? Tone or something? jesus - ok something made him suspicious of Eden, or so he claims, but then why did he write that Eden was tricked by scum? Only town can be tricked by scum. | ||
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On January 29 2016 22:55 Ikidomari wrote: jesus- I reread his post where he says that eden is falling for noob strats, then that eden is up in the air. I don't think it's unreasonable to say "this person is town or mafia, but if they're town, they're stupid because [x], even though he didn't word it like that. This is a weird defense of Jesus considering you said this: Unless he posts something really good in the next day, or someone else slips up real bad, my vote is staying with Jesus. | ||
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Your onegu/trfel reads are based on them both being scum together. Generally, it's bad to make connection theories like that, especially on day 1. By basing an assumption on another assumption(assumption #1 onegu is scum, assumption #2 trfel is scum), you are compounding the chance that you are wrong. | ||
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On January 30 2016 00:15 Shapelog wrote: I got him to recant his slander.TLDR: So in Summary: He slandered Kush, and even contradicted himself. Calls Darth Town even though he jumped on his Top scum read's case (Trefl). Lots of mentions to town Tumble, Even gives Tumble Town Cred for Not changing vote. Even though he wasn't there to change it. Tumble didn't vote for somone we now know is town. I can see why ikid would think that was town. Focused only on Onegu actions with Trofl to pushed his own agenda. And a bunch of other scummy crap. Ikido is mafia no | ||
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On January 30 2016 03:34 darthfoley wrote: I think there's a very good chance either Alur or I die tonight. If iw ere scum I would kill eden. | ||
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On January 30 2016 04:15 Alur wrote: I agree that Eden is a good lynch, but for that to be the case he has to actually be town. Also, isn't there a chance that talking about this helps mafia? Doesn't it open nutty WIFOM options? I mean... if I were scum I would actually nk Jesusincarnate. That guy is scary good, he said so himself. | ||
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On January 30 2016 06:22 Trfel wrote: He later got rid of Ikidomari, and showed increased suspicion for Tumblewood. To me this is further evidence that Tumblewood is mafia, and suggests that JesusIncarnate is mafia. hellz nah bro you can't use my own braglist against me. It's obvious I would have shot Jesusincarnate. I was on the fence about tumble. | ||
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On January 30 2016 06:28 Shapelog wrote: So kush got Rbed. Which means at least one of his scum reads have to be mafia. (Fuck WIFOM at this point) it means jesusincarnate is mafia. He was my most consistent scumread. Good vig shot due to low activity. | ||
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Also I think they killed alur rather than you so they didn't have to worry about a save, I was pretty back and forth about both ikid and tumble. Add to that Jesus is my obvious vig shot, since it is Optimal to kill someone Scummy with low activity. | ||
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On January 30 2016 07:19 Trfel wrote: I mean, Tumblewood is mafia either way. The question is just, is JesusIncarnate mafia? Why does this implicate tumblewood at all when I was very back and forth about him... Why does it only maybe implicate Jesus when I was super in favor of lynching him and he's a good vig shot? Looks like you misinterpreting the facts to push your agenda of lynching tumblewood. | ||
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On January 30 2016 06:22 Trfel wrote: He later got rid of Ikidomari, and showed increased suspicion for Tumblewood. To me this is further evidence that Tumblewood is mafia, and suggests that JesusIncarnate is mafia. also this quote. you say the evidence is that tumblewood is mafia, and SUGGETS (aka maybe) that jesus is mafia. why does the evidence point more towards tumble? | ||
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On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote: So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing....... Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved. idk tbh what to think about it I don't think it means anything about anyone. | ||
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On January 30 2016 08:04 Shapelog wrote: You think he got talked out of/changed his mind (since he ended up town reading Darth) if he is scum? I don't think tumble thought it was a breadcrumb. He just said it was worded awkwardly like a breadcrumb. I don't think it was a breadcrumb. No breadcrumbs. | ||
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On January 30 2016 08:38 Eden1892 wrote: Kush why don't we kill Jesus? I think I get you on Trfel but if the rb incriminates Jesus then I don't really know why we wouldn't kill him. we can, but killing trfel would be funner. | ||
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On January 30 2016 08:42 Shapelog wrote: 40% native american 40% French 20% Dutch good to know | ||
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On January 30 2016 09:23 Trfel wrote: If I'm being scumread because I didn't explain my vote on Kuragari42: Why would I explain my vote? I voted for the leading wagon who was gaining momentum. Convincing anyone was not needed. The only reason I'd need to explain my vote is for myself, and I already knew why I was voting. Explaining my vote doesn't accomplish anything. If I'm being scumread because of asking questions: Okay, imagine that all the questions don't exist. Questions are generally non alignment indicative (of course, this depends on the circumstances, for example directly pointed questions can often be more indicative). Ignoring that, I've been sharing analysis, pushing reads, and engaging with people to solve the game. Discounting my play as asking questions in an attempt to appear busy while not actually doing anything is extremely false. If I'm being scumread because of missing one of nooniansoong's posts: That's just stupid. I explained why above. Now I suggest lynching Tumblewood, because he is mafia. Allow me to take his latest post here to show why he is mafia. I won't quote things because that would be annoying. First, like I already said, it doesn't make sense for him to townread _MexicanAlien for voting for himself (Tumblewood) instead of flipped town Kuragari42. A vote on town is a vote on town, lynching one is not better than lynching the other.... unless one of them isn't actually town. This read only makes sense if Tumblewood is mafia. He criticizes Kuragari42's reads and then says that Kuragari42 is begging to get lynched, and seems disappointed. After the flip has already happened. Town doesn't think like this. He says several times that both I (Trfel) and nooniansoong haven't explained some or all of our reads. He says that I am mafia because of this, and he says that he won't trust nooniansoong's reads until there is an explanation, implying that nooniansoong is town. He lists JesusIncarnate, Shapelog, Trfel, Ikidomari, and Onegu as his scum reads. Way to cover all the bases there. Still no involvement or direction, and no original thought at all. Tumblewood is mafia. So explain now why you voted for kura, unless you have already. Your point about tumble's townread of MA is really one dimensional. When you are trying to figure out someone's alignment, you aren't basing that on the correctness of their reads, rather you are basing it on if their reads seem genuine. Yes tumble knew MA's read on him wasn't correct, but it seemed genuine. And he didn't abandon it to join the kura wagon. So that townread makes sense to me. | ||
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On January 30 2016 09:58 Trfel wrote: If I answered this question, I'd probably be confirmed town for dick move analysis. If you're going to continue this argument, I will be forced to ruin the game. Please just drop it so we can play mafia. o please continue with your dick move analysis | ||
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On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote: Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny? I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain. no i dont. he's been playing the newb card as hard as possible this whole game and so it continues. I'm still waiting for your game breaking dma. (dick move analysis) | ||
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On January 30 2016 10:47 Shapelog wrote: Like how the hell is mafia that lost from the thread. That disconnected..... He could have easily not known that rbs are notified as scum. Or he could be playing up the newb card like he's been doing all game | ||
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Why wouldn't town Eden scumread onegu? It seems fine to me. ### Anyway, trfel, you are scum. Here's why. All of your cases are scumcases, built upon bullshit, misrepresentation, and generalities. Your case on tumble involving page 16 for instance. Point me to a good case of yours if you disagree. Also your vote for kura wasn't backed up by any reasoning. You townread him the whole game then you say On January 28 2016 05:24 Trfel wrote: Thanks, I think I understand what you're saying. Perhaps my early townread on him was stronger than it should have been, I'm not as sure about him any more. and that's the last thing you say about kura's alignment before you vote him. ### Don't get pissy. I'm not trying to piss you off, I'm just trying to play my role just like you. | ||
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You say the selling point is how Eden acted after onegu was shot. Why would mafiaeden be more likely to express his happiness about the shot? I could see mafia being happy but to express it in the thread is not something mafia is more likely to do, | ||
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On January 31 2016 03:28 Trfel wrote: I looked through JesusIncarnate's filter, but I just don't see him being mafia. This is ridiculous. I can understand a null read but what gives you such a strong townread on him? | ||
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But every mod does it differently. | ||
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would you say it's representative of your scum play? | ||
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On January 31 2016 09:22 Tumblewood wrote: What do you mean exactly by nuance? I think this quote form you is tonwie indicative nuance. On the subject of Onegu and Trfel, I think it would still make sense if they were scum together, but it's getting hard to picture Onegu as scum now (even without him saying anything) when there are four players I believe are acting scummier. This is a weird game. Basically it's something small that changes your reads a little. It's hard for scum to replicate because it comes from struggling to figure stuff out. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?user=Trfel His scumplay looks quite strong. He makes cases and is active. | ||
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On January 31 2016 10:27 Trfel wrote: I mean, there was one game where I played really well as mafia and I got a "best individual mafia performance" award nomination. What were you expecting? I was expecting exactly what I saw. Most players can't play mafia like you can. That's why people are wrongly townreading you. | ||
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I said your cases and based on bullshit rather than something someone would actually believe. | ||
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On January 31 2016 11:09 Trfel wrote: Eden, I know this is going back a bit, but... Why did you want to lynch Kuragari42 again? And why did you not want to lynch JesusIncarnate? Are you developing a scumread on Eden so that you can join shapes wagon unsuspiciously? | ||
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On January 31 2016 11:09 Trfel wrote: Eden, I know this is going back a bit, but... Why did you want to lynch Kuragari42 again? And why did you not want to lynch JesusIncarnate? I can find answers quite easily in his filter. Why can't you? | ||
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On January 31 2016 13:44 Trfel wrote: Very possible. But that's not something I can change. Anyway, whether I keep playing mafia or not is my problem and I'd prefer to keep it out of the game. For the record, I'm a horrible liar and I consider lying to be dishonorable, even as mafia. I wouldn't say that I am considering quitting mafia unless it is true, regardless of alignment, therefore this is non alignment indicative because it's simply a fact. I agree it's NAI. And I know this has been a shitty game for you. I know how you feel. My last game I was scum with first time darth and boxerfred who got lynched d1... | ||
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He put himself in a position where he had to pick eden or jesus as the last scum and he picked Eden. HUH... Jesus has so much against him that trfel is ignoring... the inactivity, the broken promises, the roleblock. As evidence that Jesus is town he has two quotes that make no sense... "Shape is scummy because he's painting a target on his back"???? "Shit post; town post"???? I'm most certain in Ikidomari, but I'd be willing to lynch any of my mafia reads. I'm fairly confident in all of them. And for real he is confident that jesus is town and eden is scum. Fake reads. | ||
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On January 31 2016 07:42 Trfel wrote: + Show Spoiler + I mean, I'm from California. But I haven't figured out how to vote yet. I don't think that I deserve to vote if I can't even figure out how, they make it so easy I don't know if an Eden lynch is even practical today. Like, I feel that no one would support it. this is what ma is talking about. | ||
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On January 31 2016 15:17 Eden1892 wrote: We are not lynching Trfel. That post is literal never ever coming from scum. I don't even know who we are lynching yet but it's not Trfel. Period. That megapost? You're wrong. Look at his last scum game. | ||
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On January 31 2016 15:26 Tumblewood wrote: Okay. Here are all reasonable motivations I can come up with for making that post: 1. Noon is town, thinks that Trfel is still scum, and wants more support to get him lynched. 2. Noon is scum and wants to draw support for a mislynch. 3. Noon wants to ally darth. (unlikely) 4. Noon didn't make that in a serious light. (likely) Results prove inconclusive, but that post is still really weird to me. Mostly 1. A dash of 4. | ||
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Let the ridiculousness of that sink in. | ||
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On January 31 2016 15:45 darthfoley wrote: I'm personally offended that you have Shapelog as more of a town read than me given that i'm the vigilante aka blue role lol LOL | ||
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On January 31 2016 21:44 _MexicanAlien wrote: I'm sorry, when i woke up this morning after not reading the thread for the whole of Saturday, I missed that Blue claim. If you did claim. He shot onegu | ||
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I think both are being reasonable in not wanting to lynch the other . Eden is not lymchabe today because the support for lynching him isn't there. Trfel looks townie due to the size and quantity of his posts. (he's not but I think it makes sense that Eden thinks he is) My advice to you in regards to scumhunting is to look at people's arguments behind their scumreads. Do they make sense to you or do they seem fake? | ||
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On February 01 2016 00:09 Trfel wrote: Didn't I already do that? On phone, but he's the one I'm most confident in being mafia. Tumble has some of those posts where it looks like he's trying to figure things out, Eden is a bit uncertain too. so then you were lying when you said this? I'm most certain in Ikidomari, but I'd be willing to lynch any of my mafia reads. I'm fairly confident in all of them. | ||
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On February 01 2016 01:25 Trfel wrote: For the record. I don't expect you listen to me until tomorrow. Don't look at peoples arguments and see if they make sense. That doesn't matter. Look at peoples arguments and see the motivation behind them. The motivation is usually to get someone lynched rgardless of if they are town or scum. Unless they are busing, scum has to make up reasons to scumread someone. That's where you see the difference in alignment. Imo | ||
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On February 01 2016 03:13 Tumblewood wrote: @Trfel In an ideal world? Shapelog. He's been acting scummy all game (look at my previous posts for examples), and he's filled up 15 pages of filter with nothing posts. Um did you see that mega post | ||
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On February 01 2016 04:00 darthfoley wrote: Jesus has to be town. Can't understand why someone who rolls mafia would be this uninterested in the game. Probably just VT This is a bad reasoning for jesus being town. Could have been irl, could have been he hates playing town. I mean remember last game with me? I was pretty uninterested. Also I think he's going to get replaced rather than modkilled :'( | ||
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Eden calling onegu scum for not realizing shape was town, when Eden himeslf said Shape might be scum I think you are misunderstanding Eden here. So we can either assume that Shapelog is a bad noob scum player, who also doesn't have anybody on his team to tell him that his early posting isn't doing anything to help, and who also doesn't have a scum coach telling him the same thing... or we can just assume that he is an eager townie, as his posts read. This doesn't mean Eden thinks shape might be town. He is using a rhetorical device, juxtaposition, to present you with two possibilities: one likely, and the other unlikely.The rest of it.. i mean I think there is some OMGUS from Eden towards Onegu. (OMGUS is when you scumread someone for scumreading you). But often OMGUS does come from town. You are convinced of your own towniness, of course, so it seems fake when someone else is scumreading you. | ||
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On February 01 2016 06:14 Trfel wrote: Like I've made it clear at least once that I am NOT saying that the Ikidomari flip makes Eden mafia. I'm saying that it would make Eden look town if Ikidomari flipped town. It's effectively the same thing. You are reinforcing the narrative that Eden tried to save his scumbro by scumreading him then unscumreafing him | ||
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On February 01 2016 05:49 Trfel wrote: Eden, that's not what I said. I said that you, as mafia, wouldn't go back and forth so many times about Ikidomari, because there's no point. It's much more direct to just make a read and stick with it, or maybe change it once, but not like you did. Unless he is mafia, then I can see why you might do that as mafia. It is by no means an accusation or a reason to suspect you as being mafia. You said that you can't possibly be mafia with Ikidomari, I'm interested to hear why. | ||
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On February 01 2016 06:54 darthfoley wrote: Trfel + Shapelog brag mafia team I already solved this game and I am 100% certain. Trfel Jesus ikido fits together so well. | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:10 Trfel wrote: Nooniansoong, hypothetically, if I flipped town, what would you think? Or have you not thought about this yet? Just humor me. I haven't thought about it extensively. But I'd Look at basically everyone except Darth. | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:36 Shapelog wrote: Yo i went to see star wars, for mafia reasons. Did you lynch Eden? hell no. | ||
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no. Eden is definitely town. Your case is based on misinterpretations on eden and just in general stuff that doens't make him scum. If you look at the cases Eden makes they are very good and townie. | ||
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he knew no one was going to be influenced by his reads, he knew he was very possibly going to get lynched, so he wanted his reads to exonerate his scumteam. | ||
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On February 01 2016 10:15 Trfel wrote: I really feel like Ikidomari would have generally townread his teammates. I mean, of course you believe this. It exonerates you and your townread jesus. | ||
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On February 01 2016 10:47 Trfel wrote: Filter length and desire to survive versus intentionally being bussed as part of a plan are very different things. I have shown why at least initially, Ikidomari was NOT planning on being bussed, and was attempting to survive. Again, if you'd like to DISCUSS, that is more than welcome. If you'd like to say that I am wrong just because you feel like it, I don't care to discuss with you. We aren't talking about being bussed. we are talking about bussing. Just because he wasn't planning on being bussed doesn't mean he didn't bus himself. He was acutely aware that there was a great possibility of him being lynched both d1 and d2. | ||
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On February 01 2016 10:55 Trfel wrote: Okay, that actually makes some sense. Thank you. I guess I'm a bit biased because I know that I'm town and that Onegu was town, so I know that at least 2/3 of his scumreads were town. But that's not something that you know. At least this is better than the "you are scum because you can't possibly think this" after I share all my reasons for thinking this, and you don't say anything about my reasons. I did look at your reasons, and I said they made no sense, and I said why. I didn't present them in a way that asked for a response from you, because I'm not trying to figure you out. I've already done that. I don't want a defense from you. It's actually easier to look townie when you are defending yourself, as shown by ikido. From my perspective, the only thing you defending yourself is going to do is possibly convince the other players that you're town. | ||
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On February 01 2016 11:00 Trfel wrote: Does anyone else think it's funny how often Eden has brought up his going back and forth with darthfoley last game? And how adamant Eden and Ikidomari are that they can't be scum together? no. and no. Going back and forth with darth last game is relevant because he did the same thing with ikido. Why wouldn't he bring it up as town? He's adamant he can't be scum with Ikido because he sees himself as the principle pusher of ikido, which actually he was. There was a very complicated interaction with him in which he scumread ikido and then he didn't and then he did again. It's tinfoily to say that's scum vs scum. Then there's the fact that he brought up of how he could have easily killed you rather than ikido today if he were scum. Do you expect townEden to say "well I suppose I could be scum with Ikido"? Maybe but it would be kinda weird. | ||
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What we just witnessed was trfel buddying Eden. It wasn't pretty. Basically trfel sat there validating all of edens shitty ideas and made him feel smart. Trfel scumslipped here. On February 01 2016 13:05 Trfel wrote: Basically every time that the thread is toxic, it's caused by town. Any game. To both of you. He's calling Eden town. This was while he was still supposedly scumreading Eden. Before Eden started posting a lot to make him look more townie. | ||
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On February 01 2016 23:06 darthfoley wrote: Anyone disagree with a Tumblewood lynch today? Besides Tumblewood of course I disagree with it strongly.Tumble is lynchbait. Scott is inactive scum. I think he's going to continue doing as little as possible to stay null. Trfel is tryhard scum. | ||
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On February 01 2016 15:04 darthfoley wrote: Ironically, I was very close to shooting Kush over Onegu. Darn DUDE do I did last game to you? This is ridic. If you shot me that would have been the worst fucking shot of all time. You should have shot jesus but onegu wasn't bad. | ||
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You know when you have a scumteam in mind, and you are SO sure of it. Except then you're usually wrong. That's how I feel, but I know I'm right. All my mafia experience and everything in this game is pointing to me being right. I try to recognize my own confirmation bias and eliminate it. But in this case I know I'm right more than I've ever known anything in mafia ever. I need your support in lynching scott or trfel. Scott might be an easier lynch, and it will implicate trfel due to how hard he's defended him. | ||
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[QUOTE]On February 02 2016 00:22 nooniansoong wrote: Personally (I am going to spoil this part of my Behavior post), I think Tumbledore is more mafia. But i would not rule out S2S. However, from a behavior stand point. Tumble is more mafia. You could buy me over. But a lot of what i need to see is S2S posting. [/QUOTE] S2S posting is not gonna happen. If it does it's not going to be anything you can get a read off of. That's the scumteam's plan. That's why trfel is making the argument "we only have 1 mislynch left, we can't lynch an unknown." OH really? So it's better to save him until mylo? Can you point to a succinct case against tumble I can respond to? | ||
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On February 02 2016 00:36 Shapelog wrote: Like Kush, if we lose and those people are mafia. I will change my little tag thingy on the bottom to anything you want. sweet. this makes the idea of losing much more bearable. | ||
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On February 01 2016 06:57 Trfel wrote: Also, you do realize that we only have one mislynch, right? I wouldn't say that lynching someone for being useless is a good idea. So you want to save him for mylo then. And he's more than just useless. He's completely inactive. | ||
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On February 02 2016 01:08 darthfoley wrote: Does the game look like last game to you? You didn't lose your roleblocker on D1 like last time. I would actually be very disappointed in you if you were mafia, got 3 townies killed/shot/lynched, and weren't playing more active. The circumstances of the games are quite different, and you know that. i know this is self meta so that from it what you will, but I hate playing scum. The joy of this game for me is finding the scum, not lying to people and pretending to believe things I don't. As scum I can usually do a decent job d1 if I want to, but after that I just can't bring myself to care. | ||
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On February 02 2016 01:41 Shapelog wrote: Kush lets talk tinfoil sexy man to tinfoil man, How sure are you in your feeling, or are they just stirings? Like on the scale of how much you like a person. with feelings being you want them to stirings being they are cute. um what lol... I could not be more certain. And I have reasons. Tons and tons of reasons, which I've been sitting in the thread harping on since d2. THe biggest point against trfel though is the reasons behind his reads look fake. Let me go find your case against tumble so I can address it. | ||
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On February 01 2016 16:44 _MexicanAlien wrote: Wow. Yeah. I'll have to think about this. Good investigative hypotheses @Eden. Very deep. Very deep. On February 01 2016 21:09 _MexicanAlien wrote: Hey guys I might not be around for the night end. I think the mafia is: Eden1892 Trfel Scum lean: scott31733 Tumblewood Town: darthfoley Shapelog Unknown: nooniansoong I think this contradiction is too obvious to be scummy. | ||
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On February 02 2016 02:21 Shapelog wrote: One hand i want to help a tinfoil brother. On the other hand i want to win the game, so lynching my scum read is important. I think about it ok. dude it's not tinfoil. it's based on solid scumhunting, and it's supported by connection theories. help me help you get there. where the fuck is that tumble case. your filter is huge. | ||
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On January 30 2016 03:00 Shapelog wrote: Here TD LR or what ever (just the last thing i said before the end of my post). Hell he never directly says he isn't scum reading me or anything So WHY, if i was his main suspect, did he end up voting for jesus? That makes no logical fucking sense what so ever. It clearly shows him being opportunistic on his scum reads. How does end up voting for jesus when I am his scum read. And he allows himself to get out of the vote because of the bolded line. Let say jesus posts something towny, then Tumble has a way out and can just push me or another person. Or just hop on a wagon. The only reason why he wasn't opportunist for Kura was because he wasn't here b/4 the slip. He prob. would of jumped on it. I think he is a opportunistic scum. I have a couple of points against this case" 1. What if he thought Jesus was a better d1 lynch due to lack of activity? 2. What if he didn't scumread you as much anymore but didn't feel the need to communicate that? 3. What if he thought Jesus had a better chance of getting lynched than you, so he thought his vote would be more effective there? Or a combination of the above 3. Later he reiterates his belief that inactive people should be lynched: On January 29 2016 14:10 Tumblewood wrote: Seriously, where is Jesus this game. If he doesn't show up in the next eight hours, I don't think there's any way around lynching him. Someone can't just stay quiet, be unhelpful when they speak, and not be scummy for it. Unless we wait for a modkill? And apart from all of that, what would be the scum motivation for voting for jesus rather than you? You say it's opportunistic, but provided both you and jesus are town (jesus is scum, but for your reasoning to work he has to be town), what does scum gain from switching from one town to another? | ||
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broad and nitpicking scumreads: I think this is referring to him calling you scum for calling yourself town. That's not broad, it's very specific. Tumble believes in that scumtell. He's a newbie so I can believe that he believes that. repeats the thread's big name scumreads: I think he brought those people up in the beginning of the game because that's who people were talking about. First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog He didn't scumread them all though. Also the thread's bigname scumreads are scumreads for a reason, so it's natural that people share them. I don't think he does that to an extent that is suspicious. | ||
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On February 02 2016 02:47 Shapelog wrote: 1. He was absent from last few hours (before the scum slip) so he could not take adverseness of it 2. Him scumming me after i made a case proves he is paying attention to the thread. And it would make sense for him to do things to counter act this. Normal newbie behavior 3.Again was absent. I would think he would move personally onto the kura lynch but hey who cares. Well for day 1, there was no reason to vote me, as i was not getting lynched. Jesus was. Day 2, both cases were made and it would make sense for scum to play around the reasons he is being scum read. Ikido also voted for Jesus train too. 1 you didn't have to be here for the last few hours to think jesus had a lot less activity than you. and ikido was BUSSING. He didn't show up near EoD d2. He didn't try to stop his lynch. BECAUSE HE WAS BUSING. And his team (trfel) was bussing him. | ||
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On February 02 2016 02:54 Shapelog wrote: Then Trofl takes the opportunity to vote Kura even though he didn't have too??? Make me see the light Kush. Trefl's vote for kura had very little thought behind it. He didn't bus ikido before d2. | ||
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On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote: I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote: If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote: Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny? I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain. | ||
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On February 02 2016 03:21 Shapelog wrote: Honestly a trofl and Tumble scum team makes more sense to me for some reason then jesus and trofl. That reason being? Trefl doesn't bus unless he had to. He has been scumreading Tumble since the beginning of the game. On the other hand he has been indirectly defending Jesus by saying "he's useless not scummy, we only have 1 mislynch left, his arrogance is townie" etc. | ||
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On February 02 2016 03:30 Shapelog wrote: Behavior. think about it. I think personally Trofl would try to control jesus cockyness more. The behavior of Ikido, Tumble, and Trofl fits like a glove. what do you mean he wouldn't try to control him? I think he saw jesus as someone he knew was going to get replaced and thus a good opportunity for a scumbuddy to keep alive. | ||
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I would also vote scott. BTW thank you shape. I was really getting mad about you newbs not listening to me but you've put a shiny silver lining onto this game | ||
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Same as scumread 2.0. | ||
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On February 02 2016 03:00 nooniansoong wrote: Look at how much Trfel defended Ikido before he figured out he had to bus him d2: | ||
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On February 02 2016 07:15 Shapelog wrote: Are you brainstorming yet about my possible new Caption? oh yes. | ||
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Yes. if you believe in a scott/ikido/trfel scumteam, he had to bus because all the possible lynches were scum. | ||
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Read through filters and try to find scum. (so everyone else can see how scummy you are) | ||
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Seems like a valid question to me. | ||
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On February 02 2016 09:42 scott31337 wrote: It's having five scumleans and says he's going to filter dive and then only comes up with that, was my point - ie "Hey look I filter dived" and then be done with it. It wasn't the question per-se. Do you see what I mean now? So your issue was he didn't have anything else to say about the filter dive? or that he filter dived at all? | ||
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because i'm sure you guys are scum :p | ||
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On February 02 2016 10:42 scott31337 wrote: He didn't have anything else to pull out of anyone's filters and has too many scumreads - and then only did one "filter" post before coming back to the thread. Does anyone believe this reason? | ||
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about tumble - [li][*]none of the cases against him are convincing. [*]his cases look like genuine newbie cases [*]it's so painfully obvious to me that you and trfel are scum. there are no more scum slots left. [/li] ps how do you do an ordered list? | ||
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@scott about tumble -
ps how do you do an ordered list? | ||
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On February 02 2016 12:32 Trfel wrote: Okay, I take it back, the argument you presented pertaining to this is technically true, however it's not a reason for anyone to be mafia, it's a counter-reason to a reason for me to be town. Thus, it needs to be supplemented by an actual argument, the problem is that said actual argument doesn't exist. So anyway, I'm going to play trumpet and then go to bed. Sorry for the post spam. Saying you aren't town is the same thing as saying you are scum lol...last I checked there's no third party. | ||
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On February 02 2016 17:23 _MexicanAlien wrote: Is vig only one-shot? Yep | ||
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About scott, it's harder to build a convincing case against him because of his lack of content. I can say that his reasoning for wanting to lynch tumble looks made up. Then there was Jesus implying Eden was town then saying he was up in the air. | ||
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On February 02 2016 21:56 _MexicanAlien wrote: Why don't you give your opinion and then ask for others'? Present your case My opinion should be abundantly clear. As for my case, I've been making it. On Scott, I just made it. His reads are bs. There's nothing more that needs to be said. | ||
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His case doesn't make you scum, but I can see the confirmation bias making him believe that it does. | ||
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Scumteam killed eden because of the nk analysis WIFOM. Also Eden put in a lot of discussion and analysis which helps town. Maybe they couldn't kill DF because of the doctor? They didn't want to kill me because that would implicate the scumteam. | ||
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Look back at her cases. Those are townie and good. And she's not wrong about scott. | ||
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On February 03 2016 00:26 Shapelog wrote: She got off my list due to POE. As tumble + X is the mafia team, where X is a experienced player. Not posting is a bit sus. though. Do hosts of newbie games always have a scumteam with 1 experienced player and two newbs? It seems like it. | ||
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On February 03 2016 00:29 Shapelog wrote: Lol no, did you not play in the last game? me, boxer, darth scumteam | ||
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On February 03 2016 00:41 Trfel wrote: The latter I don't have time to read filters and do analysis until probably tonight. And although Tumblewood looked very much like mafia last time I looked, it's not appropriate for me to rely on that instead of looking again. Plus Tumblewood and scott31337 made some posts that I need to look much more closely at. something tells me you are gonna vote for tumble rather than scott lol | ||
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On February 03 2016 01:30 scott31337 wrote: Are you seeing if my mislynch will get traction before you attempt to so do? This reeks of agenda all over it. Yes, it is my agenda to lynch either you or trfel. Yes, I will lynch whichever of you gets traction. The only thing you're wrong about is how they're mislynches. | ||
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On February 03 2016 03:00 _MexicanAlien wrote: ## vote: nooniansoong yes... yess.. i already can taste shape's signature. | ||
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On February 03 2016 04:09 Shapelog wrote: Tumble is mafia, and should get lynched. PMT/Kush could be the second team mate (prob. kush if i had to choose out of the pair) for real you think im scum... for real. | ||
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1 All his cases are based on bullshit Remember pg 16 in his tumble case LOL... Townread on jesus for saying "shitpost;townpost" and being cocky. etc 2 No thought went into his kuragari vote On January 29 2016 03:15 Trfel wrote: I guess I was misinterpreting the situation. ##unvote ##vote Kuragari42 The timeline is he thought kura was town, he thought kura blueclaimed, he realized kura didn't blueclaim, then he voted. Then he gives this reason only after the fact. I thought that Kuragari42 had slipped blue and/or was claiming blue, in which case it's always incorrect to lynch him. When I looked at his filter more carefully, this wasn't the case, so I switched my vote to him because his reads didn't seem very interesting. It didn't feel like Kuragari42 was trying to help further town and help catch scum, but instead just state his reads for the record. In retrospect, this isn't very alignment indicative. So we get a generic, after the fact justification. 3 Ikido read is inconsistent These were his reads n1: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 11:19 Trfel wrote: Okay, I finished my analysis. I think that the mafia team is Tumblewood, Onegu, and Eden1892. I will be attempting to use a new posting style from now on. Tumblewood is mafia because:
AND he was hard defending ikido: + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote: I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote: If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote: Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny? I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain. But suddenly, when the lynch is between himself, jesus, and ikido, Ikido becomes his most confident read: + Show Spoiler + On January 31 2016 13:15 Trfel wrote: Ikidomari is mafia because of his large amount of apologies early on in the game. His activity also fits mafia motivation, instead of displaying a desire to solve the game. There are also several inconsistencies in his play. One example of this is that he repeatedly says that he is a good lynch because he is a weak player.But, the third statement doesn't match. Town doesn't say "lynch me, you should lynch me, but here's some defense". Town will, in rare circumstances, ask to be lynched and/or vote for themselves, but there is always some sort of possible town motivation behind it (generally proving that their scumreads are genuine). Here, there is none of this. He's asking to be lynched and asking to survive at the same time, which makes him mafia. One other thing to look at is how Ikidomari has been playing after the Day 1 lynch. He posted analysis, fine. He didn't have time before the lynch, so he didn't push anything or stay up to date, fine. He comes back and posts analysis, fine. Here's what else happens. Eden, arguably the person most vocally scumreading him, townreads him. Then he leaves, and comes back later with this weird post, which caused Shapelog and I to say that it was a bit towny. Then, once we said that, he just vanished. No push, no reads, no updates, just gone. And he hasn't returned since. This is extremely mafia motivated, because he's playing to survive, instead of push mafia. Ikidomari is my most confident scumread, I'm nearly positive that he is mafia. | ||
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On February 03 2016 04:33 scott31337 wrote: I've re-read page 16 and don't see any case, can you link me to what you are referring to? I saw this on Page 31 by Trfel - Because I am not seeing it. he made a post against tumblewood like this -tumblewood said shape was scummy for stuff before page 16 -then tumblewood used quotes after page 16 in his argument for why shape was scummy And the case is bs because tumble never said shape wasn't also scummy for stuff after page 16. | ||
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I will switch from trfel to scott if it means saving tumble. So if y'all want to lynch scott, id be totally down for consolidating on that. I'd rather kill trfel but it's up to y'all. | ||
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##unvote ##vote scott if you guys want to move to trfel let me know. | ||
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On February 03 2016 04:40 darthfoley wrote: Pretty sure Tumblewood is mafia. After that, I am willing to look at Trfel again. Is the case on tumble really that good? Tumble's case on shapelog is no worse than shapelog's case on tumble. You suffer from confirmation bias. Try to be objective and ask yourself, is tumble really scummier than jesus/scott? | ||
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On February 03 2016 05:18 scott31337 wrote: Where's this phat case on me/Jesus that I am mafia? who you want to vote and why? the case so far is: jesus implied eden was town then he said he was up in the air. you scumread tumble for a reason that made no sense. | ||
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On February 03 2016 06:09 darthfoley wrote: Kush do you think a town really has a 2 page filter by day 3? i think it's very possible. but if that's your argument look at scott/jesus. their filter sucks too. | ||
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Smaller filters are objectively scummier, but it has to be informed by meta to mean much. Even then it can bite you in the ass. I've been tricked by players, who usually have smaller filters as scum, having huge, 30 page filters. If you look at tumble vs jesus/scott less superificially, I think you will see that tumble has a lot more thought behind his posts. You may disagree with that thought, but that doesn't make him scum. | ||
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On February 03 2016 08:58 scott31337 wrote: You, because it requires an act of congress to get any information out of you, which is a scummy trait - and a few other things - you have a big filter, but unlike a few of the others, there's not a whole lot of substance. #2 would be Tumblewood - How you hard defend him so much - I kind of liked Trfel's case on him as well - and his hard townread on you with his notes here- + Show Spoiler [Tumblewood's magic townread on K…] + On February 02 2016 14:56 Tumblewood wrote: nooniansoong + Show Spoiler + Kush's posts have been very concise and to the point. There's very little nuance, which is, as kush says, a town tell. He doesn't care how he looks, and makes clear and solid points. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 03:17 nooniansoong wrote: Yes, but he's doing it in a conspicuous but delibrate way. Almost like he is using this point the game to gather as much info as possible, and before EoD he will synthesize all that information into reads. If Trfel were scum, he would think to himself "I shouldn't be asking so many questions because that looks scummy." + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote: scumlist for brags 3. JesusIncarnate 4. Alur 10. Onegu 13. Shapelog No intelligent mafia makes a scumlist and then just doesn't explain it, especially when not on everyone's townlists. He does not promote a mafia agenda with his posting. + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 04:25 nooniansoong wrote: KURA, PLEASE CLAIM YOUR ROLE. YOU ARE GOING TO GET LYNCHED. Kura was town. If kush were mafia, he would have known that and wanted Kura dead. Kush is making an effort to keep Kura from being mislynched without doing anything for town cred. Mafia would just leave Kura to die. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote: jesus will probably get replaced. If Jesus is town, mafia would try to get Jesus mislynched to waste a day. If Jesus is mafia, mafia would try to keep the discussion away from him. He doesn't talk much except in response to something else. [Not sure if this is a town tell or a scum tell] I'm tired of quoting things so no quotes here. I really think you two are the last mafia, with a little tinfoil on Trfel and PepperMintTea. My order right now would be DarthFoley _MexicanAlien Shapelog Trfel PepperMintTea Nooniansong Tumblewood Other peeps - do you think Trfel and PMT bussed yesterday? Do I need to re-read the whole day, or what do you think? From what I have so far, I'm extremely doubtful that Trfel did. What do you like about trfel's case on tumble?? I don't see anything to like. | ||
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Have you read ALL my filter? Any of my filter? Because you never commented on anything I've said before you showed up. You have been catching me in the thread asking me dumb questions and nitpicking me. | ||
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On February 03 2016 15:41 scott31337 wrote: So I've reviewed most of Day 2, since I want to see what noon's talking about with the bus. At this vote - Trfel's up with three votes. Ikid never comes back, so we'll assume he's afk - Did Trfel know this or...? If he is mafia, could him and his partner just vote for me and go for the mislynch? We know Tumblewood does go for the shit vote later. Noon are you saying he went for the bus to save himself? Also - what happened to this? Want to respond to my above posts? How can you say I have no content if you didn't even read my filter? And what about that quote? It still stands... Right now I'm on you because more people are willing to vote you | ||
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On February 03 2016 15:03 Trfel wrote:It really, really, really feels like Tumblewood is playing to survive instead of trying to find mafia. Or trying to push stuff. Town doesn't talk about going down a hero and then nonchalantly discuss a scum read. Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later". Tumblewood's lack of decisions and focus on the lynches continues to be suspicious. The off-wagon vote on Day 2 is very suspicious, and is a huge indicator of this point. Nooniansoong will say that this isn't alignment indicative, and technically he is right that it does not prove that Tumblewood is mafia, however off-wagon votes are fairly more often mafia than the standard town/mafia ratio, and it's an example of a huge trend throughout Tumblewood's filter. There is one thing that gives me pause, though, I'll see how it develops as Tumblewood continues to read filters. ##vote Tumblewood I'll try to check in tomorrow as much as I can. I have class for most of the day, though. Bleh. Tumblewood's reads feel fabricated and don't flow, he's not pushing anything and doesn't feel invested about his reads. It feels like he is posting his reads for the purpose of posting his reads instead of getting people to follow them. He's not interested about the lynches and therefore seemingly not interested in lynching mafia. I'm pretty sure that Tumblewood is mafia. Nice excuse to not be here eod. Off wagon votes are not more often coming from mafia. You are making that up. Complete poppycock. Other people have done that this game and you call them town. Ma, pmt. Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later". Scott isn't doing that and right now he has a majority of votes. So you scumread tumble for something Scott is also doing. | ||
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On February 03 2016 18:03 _MexicanAlien wrote: I think nooniansoong is quite weird concerning his play/activity. thoughts on nooniansoong + Show Spoiler + Early on in the game he refused to give explanations of his townreads time and time again, because he didn't want to ' give them a free defense'. This made a little bit of sense while the game was still young, but it doesn't later because you should want to prove to the rest of town that your townreads are true, so you can go on hunting scum. With his scumreads, not posting them initially also makes a little bit of sense, but again, as the game goes on, you should be willing to prove/back up your reads. nooniansoong's play seemed very 'I read X, Y, Z as town and A, B, C as scum, but I don't want to tell you why. Because I'm too cool and I'm going to be right.' It seems his apparent willingness to at least partially share his reasoning (however copied and repetitive it may be) now is the fact that he has been coming under increasing suspicion as the game moves along. So, to try to appear helpful and town, he posts a lot more. also, nooniansoong seems almost too willing to let the newbs (me, shapelog, ect) direct the rest of town with bad reads and seems to go along with unspoken newb consensus. he seems to promote the suspicions and reads of the newbies as long as they don't conflict with his agenda. It took me until d2 to figure out the scumteam so that explains my change in behavior. About promoting the reads of newbies, i did that once with Darth because yes it agreed with my agenda but he also made a good point. | ||
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The possible lynches that day were trfel, ikido, jesus, right? 2 votes were on each person midday. SO with a trfel, ikido, jesus scumteam, trfel HAS to bus. If he doesn't he looks bad and scum gets lynched anyway. He knew jesus was getting replaced. A replacement is a great chance for someone scummy to get townread, because they haven't been here all game so they are forgiven for not knowing what they are talking about. | ||
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On February 04 2016 00:38 Shapelog wrote: Srsy, Damm you kush. Now i going into tinfoil mode saying Scott avoid talking about it in his VCA on purpose because they are scum. Fuck your mind games Kush. dude it's not mind games. It's just reality. If we lynch tumble today, you or darth dies tonight. MA is out in lala land. Who knows what PMT will do. I'm not confident town will have enough sensible votes to listen to reason. | ||
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On February 04 2016 01:04 scott31337 wrote: + Show Spoiler [Trfel's post] + Tumblewood is mafia because his reads have matched the thread sentiment suspicions. Every time. He doesn't show any drive to find mafia or solve the game, just goes with the flow. Then there's his weird read on Shapelog, which I described here. Okay, it's possible that this comes from town, but the emphases of his scumread on Shapelog don't match. Further, the second quote from Tumblewood I quoted here, look at it. He's saying that people are townreading Shapelog too easily, because Shapelog's early play was so scummy. If he really is concerned about this, it would make sense for him to bring up all of these new reasons that he has to scumread Shapelog. But he doesn't. It feels like he doesn't actually care about pushing Shapelog, or about making people scumread Shapelog. So, he was still really suspicious of Shapelog, and has been talking about Shapelog all this time, but votes for JesusIncarnate because "unless I see something that convinces me he's town". Presumably just JesusIncarnate's low activity. This feels like he wanted to fit in, and this isn't how town approaches a lynch. There are some points where Tumblewood seems to be thinking about the game and trying to figure out alignments, but these are few and far between, especially compared to the large amount of evidence that he is mafia. On February 03 2016 15:03 Trfel wrote: My bad, sorry.Good night. TW still has a weird read on Shapelog, he comes in with the Ninja vote and does not even try to sway the town on why he wants to vote Shapelog. He just drops the vote again and leaves. What would you think? If TW flips town (which I'm doubtful on, but possible) , I will start fresh on you-Kush and Trfel, fair enough? I still need to re-read PMT, I'll do that now. Pmt did the same thing, so did ma. That's a bad reason to scumread someone especially since they're newbies. | ||
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On February 04 2016 02:39 scott31337 wrote: Reading PMT's filter - This post sticks the post out to me - Where's the mafia motivation here? Iki already flipped mafia. PMT also voted mafia day 2 - it wasn't a hammer but it was basically a seal the deal. PMT needs to come back and talk to me instead of afk voting but I'm not lynching PMT today. It's pretty obviously between yourself and tumble, so no shit you aren't going to vote pmt today. Nice try at looking town though. | ||
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On February 04 2016 03:08 Trfel wrote: I'm willing to talk to anyone except nooniansoong about anything. aww right in the feels. Why not me? | ||
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On February 04 2016 03:14 Trfel wrote: Because you've made it quite clear that you're not listening to anything I say. What point have you made that I haven't listened to? Can you link to it or paraphrase it? I've paid attention to everything you've said. It's just that I found what you've said scummy. | ||
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that's so townie. | ||
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On February 04 2016 03:34 scott31337 wrote: I'm pretty confident this is why Eden is dead and not conftown Darthfoley. I may regret this, but I'll regret more that Eden was right and didn't follow his ways. I'm HARD claiming Veteran. So that throws out mafia attempting to roleblock the doc - the setup is vig/vet. So Kush is probably bullshitting about being roleblocked and is mafia - probably with Tumblewood who he keeps defending like a boss. ok let's get a counterclaim please. | ||
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but it's not super important. I HOPE TO GOD THE COUNTERCLAIM IS SOMEONE ACTIVE. | ||
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On February 04 2016 07:43 Shapelog wrote: So kush, Since Trofl is 99% town and we are not going to lose. Mind telling me what you came up with for my Sig if i did lose? Ive been a bad bad boy and kush is my daddy. | ||
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dunno. duncare. my spirit is destroyed. pmt maybe. ma maybe. | ||
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last scum is probably pmt. cause she was on scott. scum was probably on scum. | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:41 Trfel wrote: If you're not scum, you should probably try and lynch me. It'll make me mad and then I'll go find the actual scum. Why would i try to lynch you?? I have zero confidence that you're scum anymore. I got caught up in connection theories without even realizing it. I think scum was probably on scott, because scum really wanted a mislynch there. So that leaves PMT. I'm obviously not scum for anyone that knows my scum playstyle. If I were scum, this game would be leaps and bounds above my next best scum game. | ||
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On February 05 2016 07:11 Trfel wrote: But your town play has changed drastically recently. Why can't you actually put in effort as mafia? If you choose to compare to your most recent mafia game, Eden claimed that playing in Outlaw Mafia didn't let you actually try in your scum game, is this correct? My towngame has not changed drastically. Sometimes I try sometimes I don't. It's always been like that. About outlaw.. hmm it's true that it would have been a tough or impossible game to win even if I tried. So maybe that's not the most illustrative example. I did kind of try d1 that game, then my activity died off completely by d3. That's usually how my scumgames go. You can look at my scumgames from the past under kushm4sta. I used to be known for busing my scumteam because I couldn't and still can't realistically pretend to scumhunt. | ||
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On February 05 2016 12:59 Trfel wrote: Meh, nooniansoong was just so cautious in Outlaw mafia.... Nooniansoong, please explain why you approached Outlaw mafia so cautiously with regards to reads (specifically your townread on Tictock, the whole "I have no read so I think he's town" thing) contrasting with being so bullheaded for so long in this game. Um I didn't have the scumteam figured out in that game. And in This game I thought I did. You have to realize I thought I was100% sure that I had found the scumteam. Why isn't pmt a good lynch? | ||
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how i feel about this game: | ||
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On February 05 2016 23:32 Shapelog wrote: If it makes you feel better I will change my sig for you :/ nah it would just remind me of my failure whenever i looked at it. | ||
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On February 05 2016 23:41 Shapelog wrote: Is there anything i can do to make you feel better? not lynch me maybe | ||
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On February 06 2016 00:44 Trfel wrote: I don't really feel like PepperMintTea would say that they will bus a teammate and then be this inactive. If I'm going to bus a teammate, I'll increase my activity and try to get as much credit for the bus as possible, and then try to make sure that I make the sacrifice worth it. Maybe PepperMintTea didn't approach it this way, but it seems a bit less likely. There are just a few things that make me not see PepperMintTea as mafia. I'll try to look more closely tonight. I do agree there are things that make PMT not look like mafia. But I think your poitn about bussing is wrong. Players with less activity should bus more because they need to compensate for their lack of activity. | ||
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On February 06 2016 01:13 Shapelog wrote: Plz no, i do not want to lose and have to change my sig because Trofl is scum. oh really? i thought the sig bet was contingent on trfel and scott both being scum. | ||
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On February 06 2016 01:15 Shapelog wrote: No, it was if Trofl is scum and we lose. cool. so there's still hope although trfel doesn't look nearly as scummy now that he's bussed two scummers... | ||
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dont u think i played well thouhg? | ||
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On February 06 2016 01:43 Trfel wrote: ##unvote ##vote PepperMintTea wat... i just admitted i was scum lol | ||
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i was just fuckign with you guys. | ||
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you lynch me, 4v1 nk 3v1 you lynch either pmt or ma 2v1 nk 1v1 YOU LOSE.. So therefore if you mislynch me today, you are going to hav eto choose correctly between pmt and ma next. | ||
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On February 06 2016 01:57 Shapelog wrote: Or we lynch you, you flip scum, and we win. you said yourself that would be best scumplay ever. that's not me. | ||
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1 her first post looked weird in a scummy way. 2 she kept limiting her time on the thread. she could have been busy but still. 3 her best case was against tumble. it's easy to write a bus case as scum. 4 didnt' want to lynch ikid on d1 for unmentioned reasons. 5 left her vote on scott and fucked off d3. 6 she originally had her vote on scott rather than ikid d2 | ||
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If you really think I have to die maybe it's a better idea to lynch me first so you'll have more time to figure out between ma and pmt | ||
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On February 06 2016 03:35 _MexicanAlien wrote: noon, really though, on the chance that you are town, please give a full defense for yourself, and post two separate full accounts of your reads and reasons on both PMT and Myself. You can tell I'm town by how invested I was in this game. Look at my filter size. I have never even been close to that as scum. And I've played many many scum games (under kushm4sta). Yes I was wrong, but that doesn't make me scum. I think my activity shows that I truly did believe that I had found the scumteam. The scum has to be either ma or PMT, mostly due to PoE. Shape looks townie. Trfel has been looking townie lately, strugglign to figure out the last scum, and also I don't think he's scum because of the lynches he has supported. Also, somethign else that poitns to PMT or MA is that the last scum probably wasn't on scott. It was a close lynch and scum has a much better chance of winning it town doens't lynch tumble there. MA, you might be scum mainly because you activity dropped off hard after d1, which often happens to scum. PMT is more likely scum because she used scott as an excuse to fuck off, and various scummy things which I just said like a few hours ago. | ||
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YES? VOTE PMT! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + sure | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + we could probably do cybersex in these and no one would ever even know...argg | ||
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how do i get you off me and onto pmt? | ||
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also shape l2boldify | ||
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And what do you mean better scum reads. It has to be either pmt or you at this point basically. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:31 Eden1892 wrote: shrug, bad beats. the heuristics that failed to catch shape this game are probably still good enough. some of those posts were REALLY strong from mafia POV gg shapelog! bitch like what | ||
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