Newbie Student Mafia XIX

You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. Roughly speaking, this equates to a bare minimum of one post per 36 hours. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled or replaced.

On January 19 2016 06:21 Onegu wrote:
48+24/2=36

Fuck order of operations.

On January 23 2016 02:41 _MexicanAlien wrote:



What is a smurf? Is it lower than a newbie?

On January 23 2016 04:57 JesusIncarnate wrote:
i am not a smurf

On January 25 2016 21:58 Half the Sky wrote:


Aside from the Canadians, we have 1-2 Brasilians, 3-4 people in Finland (case in point, the host for this game), and 2-3 Aussies I've seen play in the last few months IIRC. This is largely because of the standard deadline times for most TL games, the vast majority of the time, the moderators default it to 2300 GMT, but some may change it to a US-peak time (in which case, most EU players generally are forced to AFK the deadline) or 1-2 hours around the unofficial default.

edit: this game it appears there is one Aussie though.

First one I've seen from Africa though. Welcome in any case.

On January 26 2016 04:15 Alakaslam wrote:

*chupazic trolling off*

I always wax dramatic and find cryptic stuff. Enigma is my meta, therefore it is also my style.

80% of the time, it is meaningless 100% of the time.

Also, I love vague allusions. Ritoky said "Show them the eye". So I googled "The Eye", and was pleased with the result

I have shown you The Eye

On January 27 2016 02:09 Alur wrote:

Don't lynch me yo!

On January 27 2016 08:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
Onegu seems keen to help people out as a veteran player. I hope this continues and develops into more substantial observations.

On January 27 2016 08:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
Shapelogseems to strike me as overexcited or nervous. I also do not believe he is reading the game carefully enough and he just spouts whatever comes into his head. At first his read of "town lean on MexicanAlien" seems rather farfetched

On January 27 2016 08:41 PepperMintTea wrote:


Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue.

Ignoring the read therefore, I typically see the excessive posting of nonsense as a town trait where he isn't being too careful about anything. So I would have Shapelog leaning town for now.

On January 27 2016 08:41 PepperMintTea wrote:


Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue.

Ignoring the read therefore, I typically see the excessive posting of nonsense as a town trait where he isn't being too careful about anything. So I would have Shapelog leaning town for now.

On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).

3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:

Going forward:

Talk about other players.



Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed.

On January 28 2016 01:56 Onegu wrote:



Really disappoint here you are much better than this kush.

On January 28 2016 01:31 Onegu wrote:
Trfel 100% scum. Confirmed now. You are welcome.

On January 28 2016 02:42 Trfel wrote:
Fine. Next time, please don't assume that you know everything.


What was nooniansoong trying to say by the last quote? Alur's conclusion about _MexicanAlien wasn't very clear, because when he explained it, he said that he thinks it's WIFOM, and WIFOM isn't alignment indicative. It seems that Alur feels that _MexicanAlien is town for reasons that are partially WIFOM, but it's not completely clear. Furthermore, what is nooniansoong saying when he says that the point makes sense? Does this mean that he understands it, or agrees with it? The two are very different things.

On January 28 2016 03:10 Onegu wrote:
@Kush Its in my filter why he is scum. He is only asking questions and giving little to no follow up on the questions he was asking.

On January 28 2016 03:18 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Could everyone, please, in their next post, even if they have done it already, simply state your top three mafia suspects?

Only if you are willing. I just want motives to be clearer.

Top three suspects in order.
If you want to include reasoning feel free.

Thank you

On January 27 2016 22:17 JesusIncarnate wrote:
lol people like eden are falling for the simple mafia strat for noobs "I will act stupid and hope people townread me"

Eden is up in the air for me. trfel seems pretty town to me. other people i honestly dont care about.

On January 28 2016 06:01 darthfoley wrote:
Pepperminttea is now in my town list

On January 28 2016 07:17 Kuragari42 wrote:


"Reads without reasons are useless."

On January 28 2016 08:07 Trfel wrote:
EBWOP: Why is Eden1892 scum? I don't care about why I'm town.

Also, I really do think that Tumblewood is town, but I would really appreciate him answering my question, since I could be wrong.

On January 28 2016 09:31 Trfel wrote:
Tumblewood explained his read on Shapelog at my request, you can see this explanation here. Here, he describes why he's continuing to scumread Shapelog. However, you can see that all of the posts he quoted are between his first and second longer posts. Note that in the first post, he discounted Shapelog's "strange" play as non alignment indicative, and in the second, he said that Shapelog was scummy because of his extremely scummy play early on (pre page 16). However, the posts that Tumblewood mentions were all after page 16. This explanation isn't possible.

On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:

Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog

My reasoning on Shapelog:

Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are:

and

In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before.

On January 28 2016 10:40 Trfel wrote:
On phone, but that's not what Tumble said. He said that he wasnt really reading shape as anything except for that specific thing that he mentioned.

And either way, it isn't important to the reasons I gave.

If you have reasons go TR Tumble, please share.

Shapelog is just throwing an accusation out (trying to buddy) without much support at all. You can have a town read with few posts, and saying someone's trying to buddy in that situation is really off-putting.
He also said many times that he wanted to filter dive certain people or that he wanted to revisit my case on him and never followed up.

On January 28 2016 10:44 Trfel wrote:
Sure, someone new might believe that. There's nothing wrong with it. Your point?

On January 28 2016 10:40 Trfel wrote:
On phone, but that's not what Tumble said. He said that he wasnt really reading shape as anything except for that specific thing that he mentioned.

And either way, it isn't important to the reasons I gave.

If you have reasons go TR Tumble, please share.

Shapelog is just throwing an accusation out (trying to buddy) without much support at all. You can have a town read with few posts, and saying someone's trying to buddy in that situation is really off-putting.
He also said many times that he wanted to filter dive certain people or that he wanted to revisit my case on him and never followed up.

On January 28 2016 03:32 nooniansoong wrote:
I wish Jesus spoke english better.


Here he is assuming Eden is town, yet he also says:

On January 29 2016 01:38 darthfoley wrote:


This is so god damn bad. Either you're doc and you just outed yourself, or you're mafia and let slip that we're playing either A or C. There's a 3/13 chance your mafia, there's a 1/13 chance you're doc. And you're scummy as hell

##Unvote
##Vote: Kuragari

On January 29 2016 01:44 Shapelog wrote:

No, in fact it is really good.
Just the fact that there is a guy who slip something that is incredible scummy has gotten me to think maybe I am wrong with one of them (Eden and Darth pool).
I am debating who to vote.

On January 29 2016 01:47 Alur wrote:
Noon please answer the question you neglected to answer earlier:

On January 29 2016 01:52 Shapelog wrote:

You're just mad that I did the same thing to you with Rik and Giyga Khan in Nutcracker aren't you?
Also duh ik, But if we end up lynching Ikido and he flips scum, then I already have a direction to go into and poke.

On January 29 2016 01:54 Shapelog wrote:

Is Bragging rights the only reason why you are even playing at this point?

On January 29 2016 02:34 Alur wrote:

You're saying I opened up by bussing my fellow scum, while continuously being critical of his playstyle.

While also slightly leaning scum on Onegu, and stating that only 1 of Onegu and Trfel could be mafia. So even if I were to help getting Trfel lynched, it would put immense pressure on my scummate.

On January 29 2016 02:39 Shapelog wrote:
To be honest it doesn't even make sense kush, due to how all those 4 players have interacted with each other.
Only one that makes sense really is Me/Trofl/Alur since we all have town read/lean each other.

On January 29 2016 02:51 Alur wrote:

I assume you have no reasons or that you're not willing to share them.

On January 29 2016 03:52 Alur wrote:

The thing I don't like about Eden's cases, is how much conviction he has behind some of his reads when he introduces them.
I also don't think Ikidokaris reads were contradictory, just vague or poorly explained.

#368:
"- Shapelog is obviously town, and the first thing I want to do when I get the motivation to read this game in detail (which will be tomorrow, hold me to this and don't let me be lazy) is to read the sequence of people scumreading him early while it was the "in" read to give, because I'm almost positive scum were involved in that."

Sidenote: I guess we forgot to hold him his promise and let him be lazy.

#671:
"This Ikidomari guy is basically lock scum, we can lynch him too."
It at least seems plausible that Ikidomaris post was the result of a nervous first time mafia player, being late to the thread. Which in turn makes Eden's case seems slightly opportunistic.

Alas, it could very well be that Eden is just a more confident player than I am.

On January 29 2016 04:06 PepperMintTea wrote:
Kura or tumblewood, decided not to lynch Jesus

let's get it down to two.

On January 29 2016 04:23 Alur wrote:
Noon, you were very adamant about not telling me why you townread Trfel. Now hes on your rather large scumlist, without any explanation as to why.

Whats happened? I'm assuming you're not gonna tell me. But I should at least point it out to the town.

On January 29 2016 04:29 Alur wrote:
Just gonna reiterate that he should only claim if he's actually a role. If he's VT he should just convince us he's town.

Also to the rest of town: If claims happen, be ready to change your lynchvotes accordingly. Not much time left, so things might happen quickly.

On January 29 2016 04:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:
A claim would be pointless though....right?

Because he if he was Townie:
He would claim Vanilla Townie

If he was Mafia:
He would claim to be Vanilla Townie
+ Show Spoiler +

If he was *Blue Role*:
He should claim Vanilla Townie.
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 29 2016 04:33 Kuragari42 wrote:
Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR.

On January 29 2016 07:17 Eden1892 wrote:
Shapelog, a word of advice.

Focus on what matters.

Don't say everything that pops into your head. It's not all gonna be useful.

On January 29 2016 08:26 _MexicanAlien wrote:
What the even they just made "show all" a premium feature. Hurry up and use filters before they change that to premium too.

On January 29 2016 08:30 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Long post incoming

So Alur is the first person to seriously scum read Kuragari
+ Show Spoiler +

Right after Alur votes, darthfoley does the same.
+ Show Spoiler +

OK so here I was interrupted by the stupid TL server telling me I need TL+ premium or some balony. Basically I feel the second vote was definitely for legit reasons, the first as well.

As I'm on a phone the formats took forever to do and I'm tired.

On January 29 2016 10:00 darthfoley wrote:


This is true. I have heard remarkably little from you regarding your current reads in the game. Mind sharing any?

On January 29 2016 10:24 Shapelog wrote:

Possible. Personally I am town leaning Jesus right now because i doubt a First time mafia would stroll in and be that cocky. it isn't even a newbie thing to do, Just really weird. A course it is a tone thing, but his cockyness makes me think he is town. I admit his reads was a bit weak, but I still think he is town.

Idk I check his filter in a few.

On January 23 2016 11:15 JesusIncarnate wrote:

I am a mafia grand master. I have come from multiple other mafia sites.

Townread on MexicanAlien for sticking with the vote on me even as the Kuragari wagon picks up speed.

On January 29 2016 20:11 Ikidomari wrote:
nooniansoong
Votes: PeppermintTea, Onegu, JesusIncarnate.
Total Votes: 3

[spoiler]Noon votes for peppermint simply because "I can't understand her reads", even though she explained her reads fairly well, I believe that she believes her reads. Posts 258, 260, 262, 267. Vote happened on 272. very early on
Unvotes because PMT made a good read, Is now very confident in her read, votes Onegu because of PMT
Noon makes a slight scum read on Jesus, Simply because Jesus calls Eden "stupid" and then Jesus says "Eden is u[ in the Air"- 519, again in 623
Votes Jesus in 646

Even though I agree with Noon's read on Jesus, I think his reasoning is weak, and he was just looking for someone to vote for.

Another thing I'd like to point out, Jesus points out that "FYI, Mafia doesn't know the setup" - 268, even though it is clarified in Post#2 by LoneMeow that Mafia WILL know the setup.
I think this is scummy as hell, it would be SO easy for a Mafia player to pretend they don't know the setup, and then get townread for not knowing that mafia know the setup.
this may be WIFOM but Noon seems scummy as hell for me.
Nooniansoong: SCUM

On January 29 2016 22:22 Shapelog wrote:
Ikido.... There are so many crappy reads.
Big post picking apart Ikido reads.

On January 29 2016 22:38 Ikidomari wrote:
You were never a top scum to me, Onegu and Trfel are far and away my biggest scum reads, I'm willing to believe you're town for now.

On January 29 2016 22:55 Ikidomari wrote:
jesus- I reread his post where he says that eden is falling for noob strats, then that eden is up in the air. I don't think it's unreasonable to say "this person is town or mafia, but if they're town, they're stupid because [x], even though he didn't word it like that.

Unless he posts something really good in the next day, or someone else slips up real bad, my vote is staying with Jesus.

On January 30 2016 00:15 Shapelog wrote:
TLDR:
So in Summary:
He slandered Kush, and even contradicted himself.

Calls Darth Town even though he jumped on his Top scum read's case (Trefl).

Lots of mentions to town Tumble, Even gives Tumble Town Cred for Not changing vote. Even though he wasn't there to change it.

Focused only on Onegu actions with Trofl to pushed his own agenda.

And a bunch of other scummy crap.

Ikido is mafia

On January 30 2016 03:34 darthfoley wrote:
I think there's a very good chance either Alur or I die tonight.

On January 30 2016 04:15 Alur wrote:
I agree that Eden is a good lynch, but for that to be the case he has to actually be town. Also, isn't there a chance that talking about this helps mafia? Doesn't it open nutty WIFOM options?

On January 30 2016 06:22 Trfel wrote:
He later got rid of Ikidomari, and showed increased suspicion for Tumblewood.

To me this is further evidence that Tumblewood is mafia, and suggests that JesusIncarnate is mafia.

On January 30 2016 06:28 Shapelog wrote:
So kush got Rbed.
Which means at least one of his scum reads have to be mafia. (Fuck WIFOM at this point)

On January 30 2016 07:19 Trfel wrote:
I mean, Tumblewood is mafia either way. The question is just, is JesusIncarnate mafia?

On January 30 2016 06:22 Trfel wrote:
He later got rid of Ikidomari, and showed increased suspicion for Tumblewood.

To me this is further evidence that Tumblewood is mafia, and suggests that JesusIncarnate is mafia.

On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.

idk tbh what to think about it

On January 30 2016 08:04 Shapelog wrote:

You think he got talked out of/changed his mind (since he ended up town reading Darth) if he is scum?

On January 30 2016 08:38 Eden1892 wrote:
Kush why don't we kill Jesus?

I think I get you on Trfel but if the rb incriminates Jesus then I don't really know why we wouldn't kill him.

On January 30 2016 08:42 Shapelog wrote:
40% native american 40% French 20% Dutch

On January 30 2016 09:23 Trfel wrote:
If I'm being scumread because I didn't explain my vote on Kuragari42:

Why would I explain my vote? I voted for the leading wagon who was gaining momentum. Convincing anyone was not needed. The only reason I'd need to explain my vote is for myself, and I already knew why I was voting. Explaining my vote doesn't accomplish anything.

If I'm being scumread because of asking questions:

Okay, imagine that all the questions don't exist. Questions are generally non alignment indicative (of course, this depends on the circumstances, for example directly pointed questions can often be more indicative). Ignoring that, I've been sharing analysis, pushing reads, and engaging with people to solve the game. Discounting my play as asking questions in an attempt to appear busy while not actually doing anything is extremely false.

If I'm being scumread because of missing one of nooniansoong's posts:

That's just stupid. I explained why above.

---

Now I suggest lynching Tumblewood, because he is mafia. Allow me to take his latest post here to show why he is mafia. I won't quote things because that would be annoying.

First, like I already said, it doesn't make sense for him to townread _MexicanAlien for voting for himself (Tumblewood) instead of flipped town Kuragari42. A vote on town is a vote on town, lynching one is not better than lynching the other.... unless one of them isn't actually town. This read only makes sense if Tumblewood is mafia.

He criticizes Kuragari42's reads and then says that Kuragari42 is begging to get lynched, and seems disappointed. After the flip has already happened. Town doesn't think like this.

He says several times that both I (Trfel) and nooniansoong haven't explained some or all of our reads. He says that I am mafia because of this, and he says that he won't trust nooniansoong's reads until there is an explanation, implying that nooniansoong is town.

He lists JesusIncarnate, Shapelog, Trfel, Ikidomari, and Onegu as his scum reads. Way to cover all the bases there. Still no involvement or direction, and no original thought at all.

Tumblewood is mafia.

On January 30 2016 09:58 Trfel wrote:
If I answered this question, I'd probably be confirmed town for dick move analysis.

If you're going to continue this argument, I will be forced to ruin the game. Please just drop it so we can play mafia.

On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny?

I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain.

On January 30 2016 10:47 Shapelog wrote:
Like how the hell is mafia that lost from the thread. That disconnected.....

On January 28 2016 05:24 Trfel wrote:
Thanks, I think I understand what you're saying. Perhaps my early townread on him was stronger than it should have been, I'm not as sure about him any more.

On January 31 2016 03:28 Trfel wrote:
I looked through JesusIncarnate's filter, but I just don't see him being mafia.

On January 31 2016 09:22 Tumblewood wrote:
What do you mean exactly by nuance?

On the subject of Onegu and Trfel, I think it would still make sense if they were scum together, but it's getting hard to picture Onegu as scum now (even without him saying anything) when there are four players I believe are acting scummier.
This is a weird game.

On January 31 2016 10:27 Trfel wrote:
I mean, there was one game where I played really well as mafia and I got a "best individual mafia performance" award nomination.

What were you expecting?

On January 31 2016 11:09 Trfel wrote:
Eden, I know this is going back a bit, but...

Why did you want to lynch Kuragari42 again? And why did you not want to lynch JesusIncarnate?

On January 31 2016 11:09 Trfel wrote:
Eden, I know this is going back a bit, but...

Why did you want to lynch Kuragari42 again? And why did you not want to lynch JesusIncarnate?

On January 31 2016 13:44 Trfel wrote:
Very possible. But that's not something I can change. Anyway, whether I keep playing mafia or not is my problem and I'd prefer to keep it out of the game.

For the record, I'm a horrible liar and I consider lying to be dishonorable, even as mafia. I wouldn't say that I am considering quitting mafia unless it is true, regardless of alignment, therefore this is non alignment indicative because it's simply a fact.

I'm most certain in Ikidomari, but I'd be willing to lynch any of my mafia reads. I'm fairly confident in all of them.

On January 31 2016 07:42 Trfel wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

I don't know if an Eden lynch is even practical today. Like, I feel that no one would support it.

On January 31 2016 15:17 Eden1892 wrote:
We are not lynching Trfel. That post is literal never ever coming from scum.

I don't even know who we are lynching yet but it's not Trfel. Period.

On January 31 2016 15:26 Tumblewood wrote:
Okay. Here are all reasonable motivations I can come up with for making that post:
1. Noon is town, thinks that Trfel is still scum, and wants more support to get him lynched.
2. Noon is scum and wants to draw support for a mislynch.
3. Noon wants to ally darth. (unlikely)
4. Noon didn't make that in a serious light. (likely)
Results prove inconclusive, but that post is still really weird to me.

On January 31 2016 15:45 darthfoley wrote:


I'm personally offended that you have Shapelog as more of a town read than me given that i'm the vigilante aka blue role lol

On January 31 2016 21:44 _MexicanAlien wrote:

I'm sorry, when i woke up this morning after not reading the thread for the whole of Saturday, I missed that Blue claim. If you did claim.

On January 31 2016 22:13 _MexicanAlien wrote:

Did he claim this?

On February 01 2016 00:09 Trfel wrote:
Didn't I already do that? On phone, but he's the one I'm most confident in being mafia.

Tumble has some of those posts where it looks like he's trying to figure things out, Eden is a bit uncertain too.

I'm most certain in Ikidomari, but I'd be willing to lynch any of my mafia reads. I'm fairly confident in all of them.

On February 01 2016 01:25 Trfel wrote:
For the record. I don't expect you listen to me until tomorrow.

Don't look at peoples arguments and see if they make sense. That doesn't matter. Look at peoples arguments and see the motivation behind them.

On February 01 2016 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:
@Trfel In an ideal world? Shapelog. He's been acting scummy all game (look at my previous posts for examples), and he's filled up 15 pages of filter with nothing posts.

On February 01 2016 04:00 darthfoley wrote:
Jesus has to be town. Can't understand why someone who rolls mafia would be this uninterested in the game. Probably just VT

So we can either assume that Shapelog is a bad noob scum player, who also doesn't have anybody on his team to tell him that his early posting isn't doing anything to help, and who also doesn't have a scum coach telling him the same thing... or we can just assume that he is an eager townie, as his posts read.

On February 01 2016 06:14 Trfel wrote:
Like I've made it clear at least once that I am NOT saying that the Ikidomari flip makes Eden mafia. I'm saying that it would make Eden look town if Ikidomari flipped town.

On February 01 2016 05:49 Trfel wrote:
Eden, that's not what I said.

I said that you, as mafia, wouldn't go back and forth so many times about Ikidomari, because there's no point. It's much more direct to just make a read and stick with it, or maybe change it once, but not like you did. Unless he is mafia, then I can see why you might do that as mafia.

It is by no means an accusation or a reason to suspect you as being mafia.

You said that you can't possibly be mafia with Ikidomari, I'm interested to hear why.

On February 01 2016 06:54 darthfoley wrote:
Trfel + Shapelog brag mafia team

On February 01 2016 07:10 Trfel wrote:
Nooniansoong, hypothetically, if I flipped town, what would you think? Or have you not thought about this yet?

Just humor me.

On February 01 2016 07:36 Shapelog wrote:
Yo i went to see star wars, for mafia reasons. Did you lynch Eden?

On February 01 2016 07:40 Shapelog wrote:

Did you at least lynch mafia?

On February 01 2016 07:41 Shapelog wrote:

Fuck Yeah boy.
Who was it?

On February 01 2016 07:45 Shapelog wrote:

!*
My tinfoil was correct? (semi?_)

On February 01 2016 10:15 Trfel wrote:
I really feel like Ikidomari would have generally townread his teammates.

On February 01 2016 10:47 Trfel wrote:
Filter length and desire to survive versus intentionally being bussed as part of a plan are very different things. I have shown why at least initially, Ikidomari was NOT planning on being bussed, and was attempting to survive.

Again, if you'd like to DISCUSS, that is more than welcome. If you'd like to say that I am wrong just because you feel like it, I don't care to discuss with you.

On February 01 2016 10:55 Trfel wrote:
Okay, that actually makes some sense. Thank you.

I guess I'm a bit biased because I know that I'm town and that Onegu was town, so I know that at least 2/3 of his scumreads were town. But that's not something that you know.

At least this is better than the "you are scum because you can't possibly think this" after I share all my reasons for thinking this, and you don't say anything about my reasons.

On February 01 2016 11:00 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think it's funny how often Eden has brought up his going back and forth with darthfoley last game?

And how adamant Eden and Ikidomari are that they can't be scum together?

On February 01 2016 13:05 Trfel wrote:
Basically every time that the thread is toxic, it's caused by town. Any game.

To both of you.

On February 01 2016 23:06 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone disagree with a Tumblewood lynch today?

Besides Tumblewood of course

On February 01 2016 15:04 darthfoley wrote:
Ironically, I was very close to shooting Kush over Onegu. Darn

On February 02 2016 00:36 Shapelog wrote:
Like Kush, if we lose and those people are mafia. I will change my little tag thingy on the bottom to anything you want.

On February 01 2016 06:57 Trfel wrote:
Also, you do realize that we only have one mislynch, right? I wouldn't say that lynching someone for being useless is a good idea.

On February 02 2016 01:08 darthfoley wrote:


Does the game look like last game to you? You didn't lose your roleblocker on D1 like last time. I would actually be very disappointed in you if you were mafia, got 3 townies killed/shot/lynched, and weren't playing more active. The circumstances of the games are quite different, and you know that.

On February 02 2016 01:41 Shapelog wrote:
Kush lets talk tinfoil sexy man to tinfoil man,
How sure are you in your feeling, or are they just stirings? Like on the scale of how much you like a person. with feelings being you want them to stirings being they are cute.

On February 01 2016 16:44 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Wow. Yeah. I'll have to think about this. Good investigative hypotheses @Eden. Very deep. Very deep.

On February 01 2016 21:09 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Hey guys I might not be around for the night end.

I think the mafia is:
Eden1892
Trfel

Scum lean:
scott31733
Tumblewood

Town:
darthfoley
Shapelog

Unknown: nooniansoong

On February 02 2016 02:21 Shapelog wrote:

One hand i want to help a tinfoil brother.
On the other hand i want to win the game, so lynching my scum read is important.

I think about it ok.

On January 30 2016 03:00 Shapelog wrote:
Here TD LR or what ever (just the last thing i said before the end of my post).

Hell he never directly says he isn't scum reading me or anything

So WHY, if i was his main suspect, did he end up voting for jesus? That makes no logical fucking sense what so ever. It clearly shows him being opportunistic on his scum reads. How does end up voting for jesus when I am his scum read. And he allows himself to get out of the vote because of the bolded line. Let say jesus posts something towny, then Tumble has a way out and can just push me or another person. Or just hop on a wagon.

The only reason why he wasn't opportunist for Kura was because he wasn't here b/4 the slip. He prob. would of jumped on it.

I think he is a opportunistic scum.

On January 29 2016 14:10 Tumblewood wrote:
Seriously, where is Jesus this game. If he doesn't show up in the next eight hours, I don't think there's any way around lynching him. Someone can't just stay quiet, be unhelpful when they speak, and not be scummy for it. Unless we wait for a modkill?

First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog

On February 02 2016 02:47 Shapelog wrote:

1. He was absent from last few hours (before the scum slip) so he could not take adverseness of it
2. Him scumming me after i made a case proves he is paying attention to the thread. And it would make sense for him to do things to counter act this. Normal newbie behavior
3.Again was absent. I would think he would move personally onto the kura lynch but hey who cares.

Well for day 1, there was no reason to vote me, as i was not getting lynched. Jesus was. Day 2, both cases were made and it would make sense for scum to play around the reasons he is being scum read.

Ikido also voted for Jesus train too.

On February 02 2016 02:54 Shapelog wrote:

Then Trofl takes the opportunity to vote Kura even though he didn't have too??? Make me see the light Kush.

On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote:
I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still.

Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural.

His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective.

I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now.

On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote:
If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads.

On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny?

I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain.

On February 02 2016 03:21 Shapelog wrote:
Honestly a trofl and Tumble scum team makes more sense to me for some reason then jesus and trofl.

On February 02 2016 03:30 Shapelog wrote:
Behavior. think about it. I think personally Trofl would try to control jesus cockyness more. The behavior of Ikido, Tumble, and Trofl fits like a glove.