just played my first game on TL, and enjoyed myself thoroughly, even if I was the ol' mafia goon. Hopefully this game I can be VT/blue so I have less to stress about
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just played my first game on TL, and enjoyed myself thoroughly, even if I was the ol' mafia goon. Hopefully this game I can be VT/blue so I have less to stress about | ||
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I only asked because I just played in a game where it stayed almost completely civil throughout | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:03 Eden1892 wrote: What exactly is weird about anything Shapelog did? Specifics please. The infamous Eden. Thankfully in this game I can answer your queries without having to worry about scum slipping | ||
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On January 27 2016 07:07 _MexicanAlien wrote: Alright enough about meta reads we should come up with a strategy What do you suggest? | ||
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Discussing blue roles in depth too early is dangerous for the town. That information is really valuable for mafia, ESPECIALLY because their setup is the same for each of the 4 possibilities. | ||
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The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not! Could be wrong, but that seems pretty explicit, no? 3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times: I am excited. To be fair, it's hard to be invested when only ~4 of 13 players have posted (when my quote you've used was written). I feel no pressure in terms of slip ups and stuff like that because i'm town, so I think it makes perfect sense that I come off as casual, especially on D1. I like what Noon has thought up so far regarding PeppermintTea; I don't think it makes much sense to read someone's nervousness as a newbie town read. WIFOM but I was super stressed out and had no idea how to get my footing when I played mafia as my first game. If you're going to read someone as nervous, I think the right lean would naturally be scum. | ||
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1. Shapelog is the most scummy player to me. Reason A: Announcing you have some sort of tell on a player(noon), before he has even posted seems like a really bad idea. If hes mafia he can now attempt to replicate his his VT play from "the last two games", and even if he doesn't do "the tell" he'll be more prepared to defend himself from Shapelog. Reason B: He was the first to bring up the possible setups. Before the game started I considered if there would be any merit for town to discuss setups on D1, and I concluded that talking about it before anyone had claimed anything would be probably be useless. Bringing up useless stuff doesn't further the town agenda. ...makes it more likely that Shapelog is town tbh. Inexperienced mafia might do one of those two things, but doing them both within a short amount of time feels like he was just posting stream of consciousness, which is hard to replicate if you're inexperienced mafia. Repeated mistakes like this going forward and my opinion of Shapelog will change. I'm also not sure I understand where Alur is going with point A: he's saying that Shapelog's read comment could alter Noon's play if Noon is mafia, while also using this as evidence towards mafia!Shapelog. What motivation would a mafia have to post this "future read" for a town? I agree that talking about his Noon read is not smart, but it's a bad idea as town giving mafia a way out of being read, rather than scum giving a town a way out of being mislynched. Not sure why you read this as a scum lean. I'm also curious about MexicanAlien's pattern he mentioned. I'd like to hear more about that. I'm reading his aggressive stance vs. Shapelog as town lean right now, because I can see why a newer player would come to the conclusion that Shapelog is scummy given his posts so far. | ||
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ESPECIALLY because their setup is the same for each of the 4 possibilities. I wrote this before I reread that mafia knows the entire setup of the game. In the last game I played, I was scum and we had a framer, which was only present in 2/4 setups, so we were able to narrow down Blue roles manually. I was thinking that mafia could only get blue role tells from town, because all of their setups were the same. My point is moot, however, because mafia is aware of the full setup from the get go. | ||
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On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote: Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu. Do you have any scumreads? I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost. I'm a little put off by the fact that you felt like you needed to spend quite a bit of time on your entry post | ||
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I didn't think someone would act this suspicious this early in on my first game I actually disagree with MexicanAlien's read re Shapelog, but I can see why another newer player could interpret it as simply obvious mafia play. If you want to know my reasons, look at my reply to Alur + I don't think an inexperienced mafia player who was on the hot seat right off the bat would respond by continued activity and the longest filter in the game so far. I hesitate to give MexicanAlien anything more than a slight town read now. I think he's null town lead. I also have some suspicions of my own, but like you, I would prefer to keep them to myself until more people have joined the conversation. | ||
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Although I think Shapelog has been way more reliant on the "oops i'm noob" posts compared to me, so i'm a little puzzled why those posts wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb, but mine would. Not sure I like the "he's a troll so I have no read on him, even though he has the longest filter so far" argument. Mixed feelings | ||
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I've also gone through a similar progression with MexicanAlien | ||
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1) Shapelog is town 2) Shapelog and Noon are both mafia and they're setting up meta shit, which is smart. How does any of that implicate Shapelog as scum? Maybe i'm missing something huge idk | ||
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On January 27 2016 15:41 Onegu wrote: The way he started talking about meta of a player before the player even posted. Mafia shape could be talking just to talk. Mafia shape could be trying to pocket town kush. Ah I see what you mean. Meh, it's possible, but I find it unlikely to work because I doubt Kush would give a fuck regardless of his alignment, and Shapelog is all over the place so if I were mafia, I wouldn't be too scared of him (yet?). | ||
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I also think that there was Shapelog mafia pile on, and I'm suspicious of a couple people. I'm interested to see your analysis re p13-14 when you get a chance tomorrow | ||
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He's probably my strongest TR so far. | ||
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It was a bit of an exaggeration, but I strongly believe quality > quantity. Idc how long your filter is if it's all shit. Eden is a very good town and I think his logic is quite sound in those posts | ||
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On January 27 2016 22:39 Alur wrote: Oh and darth, you seem more invested now, so that's definitely something. But this series of events seems strange to me: (This was in reply to Tumblewood when he upgraded Onegu to slight townread, and downgraded Trfel to null) Then Eden presents Onegu as his top suspect. Largely based on the same material that you townread Onegu on. Then you go on to say: Surely if you thought Onegu was town, you'd discuss the matter with Eden rather than just lauding his post. I for one think it's entirely plausible that Onegu is just asshole town. You look a little flip-floppy here. 1. I said Onegu read town to me at the time, because when I posted that, he hadn't posted much, but it seemed focused on not talking about pointless bullshit. 2. Surely if I thought Onegu was town, I would discuss it with Eden, which is specifically why I posted: On January 27 2016 16:43 darthfoley wrote: Oh FYI, I haven't read through Onegu's filter so I don't know about Eden's scum read yet. I addressed this very point. It was 2AM and Eden was going to bed soon, so I wanted to wait to address it today. 3. I townread Eden more for his town read of Shapelog rather than his scum read of Onegu. Eden, i've been trying to make exactly the point you just made about Shapelog. The scum Kush meta read thing just makes no sense. I also liked Kush's interaction with Pepperminttea. He is playing a lot more substantively this game imo 4. If you had actually read my filter thoroughly, the three previous points would be rather straightforward. I wasn't flip-floppy. I agree that it's WIFOM to talk about your entry post, but I don't have much of a reason to TR you right now. | ||
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On January 28 2016 01:41 Shapelog wrote: Yeah I am totally mafia with PepperMintTea. Totally because how I was the first person to make a mini case about her and i will totally push my scum mate into the lynch candidates (Kush/noon did talk about it, but he just asked questions and voted) Yeah Totally Brah. No offesne brah, but if I were your mafia teammate I would probably ask you to think up a case against me, simply because it probably wouldn't stick. Similar to what MexicanAlien said. | ||
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Town: Eden Shapelog MexicanAlien Scum/scum lean: Alur - refer back to my filter interactions with him. I'm not a fan of his playstyle at all so far. Tumblewood - his second meaningful post is a bunch of null reads, and a bunch of reads that scream "i'm just trying to look like i'm contributing" JesusIncarnate - first meanginful post was lazy and very shallow Need to reread filters on Peppermint, Trfel and Onegu | ||
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My scum leans are not listed in order | ||
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On January 28 2016 02:19 nooniansoong wrote: darth, my old scumbro, you forgot to townread me. I'm not town reading you anytime soon as punishment for giving up on our game ya big dum dum | ||
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I disagree with people townreading Kuragari, if you look at his filter (which is short, so this is easy to verify), notice how his posts are based on reading into if people have referenced their alignment. Which is not terrible in and of itself, but it was something that Tumblewood introduced originally. It seems improbable, that a town player who reads up on the entire thread, ends up not really giving any meaningful original reads or opinions, and just piggybacks on Tumblewoods "allignment refence" tool. | ||
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On January 28 2016 02:26 Kuragari42 wrote: @PMT Can I get more insight into your darthy read? I find his posts semi-suspicious yet you seem to highly town read him. May I ask why you find my posts semi-suspicious? Why do you describe them as "semi-suspicious"? | ||
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In terms of mafia reads: I still scum read Tumblewood, and after reading Alur's argument about Kuragari (and looking at his filter), I scum read him too. Kuragari hasn't provided anything original the entire game, besides saying that I "seem to change my opinions a lot" which is pretty much false. The only substantial read I have changed on is Alur... which I have explained. Kuragari also hasn't posted any reads besides that shallow one on me at the beginning, in which he admits his selective logic is shitty. Think he could be trying to stay on the radar by not throwing out anyone's names. I'm going to read through Onegu and Trfel filters now... will post my thoughts afterwards. | ||
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1) I agree that I am surprised that he doesn't town read Shapelog, but he didn't bandwagon him either so I tend to believe that he's honestly reading him null at this point, and would rather focus on other people more likely to be scum. 2) I can see why a veteran player wouldn't want to explain stuff to noobs. After all, he could be explaining stuff to potential mafia. Basically the same reason Shapelog shouldn't have talked about his Kush meta. Plus, us noobs have coaches so I can understand why a veteran cba to explain trivial stuff like don't talk about blue roles. I don't think Onegu is mafia and I think it's a mistake to lynch him D1. I agree with Onegu that Tumblewood is perhaps the most scummy person to be somewhat active so far. Right now i'm considering voting Tumblewood or Kuragari. (For the record so Kuragari doesn't try to argue something stupid about me changing reads, I still heavily town read Eden) | ||
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On January 28 2016 05:38 Kuragari42 wrote: @darth You changed on me, Alur, and Onegu. Imo it's not the substantial reads that matter the most, it's the slight reads. You also agreed with/praised Eden without reading Onegu's filter. How were you supposed to know that Eden's read wasn't just an attempt to throw suspicion on an experienced player? You used meta for your TR on Eden when you said it would be a smart move for mafia to start setting up meta shit. Those combined with your alignment stressing are what made me find you somewhat suspicious. Okay either you're not reading the thread or you're scum. I didn't change my opinion on you lol. On January 27 2016 14:42 darthfoley wrote: I don't have strong feelings yet one way or the other. I like that he posted about how I did the same thing as Shapelog, but wasn't getting scrutiny for it. Seems like a town thing to do, rather than pile on the already made target. Although I think Shapelog has been way more reliant on the "oops i'm noob" posts compared to me, so i'm a little puzzled why those posts wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb, but mine would. Not sure I like the "he's a troll so I have no read on him, even though he has the longest filter so far" argument. Mixed feelings Mixed feelings = null read Alur read i've already explained why I have changed my mind. I literally haven't changed my mind on Onegu at all. I TR him early and he's still on my town lean pile. As I have already explained, I DID NOT town read Eden for his Onegu case. I TR him because of his Shapelog analysis + other reads. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 01:55 darthfoley wrote: 1. I said Onegu read town to me at the time, because when I posted that, he hadn't posted much, but it seemed focused on not talking about pointless bullshit. 2. Surely if I thought Onegu was town, I would discuss it with Eden, which is specifically why I posted: I addressed this very point. It was 2AM and Eden was going to bed soon, so I wanted to wait to address it today. 3. I townread Eden more for his town read of Shapelog rather than his scum read of Onegu. 4. If you had actually read my filter thoroughly, the three previous points would be rather straightforward. I wasn't flip-floppy. I agree that it's WIFOM to talk about your entry post, but I don't have much of a reason to TR you right now. So yea, your post is almost 93% bullshit and I'm getting closer and closer to voting for you. At least you've been more active than Tumblewood | ||
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Right now the only people I'm comfortable voting for are Tumblewood and Kuragari | ||
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Trfel reminds me of Eden in the last game I played, except Eden's questioning was a lot more substantive imo. I need to go through Trfel's filter again, but I am warming to the idea of him possibly being Mafia. | ||
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On January 27 2016 21:17 _MexicanAlien wrote: Onegu as an experienced veteran seems to really back me up when it comes to scumming Shapelog. Onegu as a townie veteran would probably know better, and not encourage interpreting bad play as scummy. Onegu as a Mafia veteran would have wanted to bandwagon Shapelog. Also, Onegu hardly puts forward any original arguments for Shapelog's guilt, instead he just reposts others'. This would allow him to not seem like scum if Shapelog was lynched and flipped Townie. Could you explain what you mean by experienced veteran vs. townie veteran? Isn't a veteran by definition experienced? I'm not sure I get the point you're trying to make | ||
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On January 28 2016 05:56 darthfoley wrote: Okay either you're not reading the thread or you're scum. I didn't change my opinion on you lol. Mixed feelings = null read Alur read i've already explained why I have changed my mind. I literally haven't changed my mind on Onegu at all. I TR him early and he's still on my town lean pile. As I have already explained, I DID NOT town read Eden for his Onegu case. I TR him because of his Shapelog analysis + other reads. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 01:55 darthfoley wrote: 1. I said Onegu read town to me at the time, because when I posted that, he hadn't posted much, but it seemed focused on not talking about pointless bullshit. 2. Surely if I thought Onegu was town, I would discuss it with Eden, which is specifically why I posted: I addressed this very point. It was 2AM and Eden was going to bed soon, so I wanted to wait to address it today. 3. I townread Eden more for his town read of Shapelog rather than his scum read of Onegu. 4. If you had actually read my filter thoroughly, the three previous points would be rather straightforward. I wasn't flip-floppy. I agree that it's WIFOM to talk about your entry post, but I don't have much of a reason to TR you right now. So yea, your post is almost 93% bullshit and I'm getting closer and closer to voting for you. At least you've been more active than Tumblewood Still waiting for Kuragari to respond to this. | ||
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On January 28 2016 03:39 _MexicanAlien wrote: 1. Shapelog 2. PepperMintTea 3. Onegu Curious whether your mafia reads have changed at all since posting? Pepperminttea is in my town pile right now-- how confident are you in this list? I'm surprised that both Shapelog and MexicanAlien have been inactive the past 5-6 hours. Especially given the burst in activity from both in the first day of D1. | ||
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On January 28 2016 09:32 Shapelog wrote: I am here, Just got on. I found a dog in a trash can near my college and been running around seeing where it can receive help (it had a dislocated shoulder) I am going to catch up. I see that Alur has questions so I will look at them. If this is the case, I take back my previous statement lol. Interested in seeing your filter reads you talked about earlier | ||
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On January 28 2016 09:31 Trfel wrote: Tumblewood Tumblewood's first post here shows that he is scumreading Shapelog, and he says that this is because Shapelog made two posts where he said that he isn't scum. Tumblewood's argument is that because a townie wouldn't do this, then Shapelog is mafia. He also said that he had a scum lean of darthfoley because of two posts where darthfoley says that he is town, and adds that darthfoley has weird wording in a sentence (the explanation of the darthfoley read is here, where he says that this is the explanation for the scum lean he mentioned previously). Why is Shapelog a stronger scumread than darthfoley? He didn't mention anything else about their play other than these comments, which is weird. Also note that Shapelog was the top suspect at this time. Tumbleweed returned later and posted this post with new reads. He says that he's suspicious of Onegu, Shapelog, and Trfel. He also ends up with a null read on darthfoley, saying that he hasn't done anything to give him a read. This is really strange, because he described a scum lean on darthfoley previously, for the only reasoning that he's shared about Shapelog, who is still his scum read. There are lots of things I don't like about this post, I won't go into all of them, but it really gives the impression of trying to fit in. He later says that darthfoley's play has been solid lately, which doesn't match with his earlier statement that darthfoley hadn't done much to be read on. In addition to these read issues, Tumbleweed feels like he's responding to questions and thread sentiment, instead of actually wanting to solve the game. Tumblewood explained his read on Shapelog at my request, you can see this explanation here. Here, he describes why he's continuing to scumread Shapelog. However, you can see that all of the posts he quoted are between his first and second longer posts. Note that in the first post, he discounted Shapelog's "strange" play as non alignment indicative, and in the second, he said that Shapelog was scummy because of his extremely scummy play early on (pre page 16). However, the posts that Tumblewood mentions were all after page 16. This explanation isn't possible. Logically, Tumblewood cannot be scum. It's possible that he's town and messed up somehow, but given his filter as a whole, I think that he is scum. I really like this analysis. Tumblewood doesn't have any read for more than like 30 minutes | ||
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On January 28 2016 11:13 Ikidomari wrote: As I said, I got very little sleep for a long time, and was very busy. I'm here now, I'm fresh, and I'm going to re-read the whole thread. Expect me to post my reads within 2-3 hours Hi. Eager to see your thoughts on the game so far. | ||
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1. He talks about how Alur and Tumblewood's reads are similar to his+ Show Spoiler + i also like alur, there reads are pretty similar to mine. tumblewood has kind of similar reads to mine + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2016 22:17 JesusIncarnate wrote: sick meme sick meme x2 (epic sig btw) anyway. darthfoley is kind of chill, def town for me right now. There posts are quite reactionary. Trifel also a bit towny in my books. shit post; town post. Onegu, scummy to me. Posting long essays mean nothing to me. lol people like eden are falling for the simple mafia strat for noobs "I will act stupid and hope people townread me" however i dont agree with their final post in their large manifesto. #368 Shape, scum or not, probably had someone scumreading them, but not anymore. I think the scum took not of the changing reads on shape and quickly either laid off or just changed their reads. okay so to sum this all up. I dont like onegu or shape. folley seems town. Eden is up in the air for me. trfel seems pretty town to me. other people i honestly dont care about. Alur's reads at the time Jesus made this post: 1) Shapelog = most scummy 2) Slight town read on MexicanAlien 3) Slight scum read on darthfoley Tumblewood's reads at the time Jesus makes this post: Town: (none yet) Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien Scum: Shapelog JesusIncarnate's reads at the time he made his post: Town: darthfoley, Trfel scum: Onegu, Shapelog Null: Eden Okay, so 1. He agrees with both on the Shapelog scum read (which was by far the "safest" scum read at that time from a mafia perspective) 2. He disagrees with both on darthfoley... anyway. darthfoley is kind of chill, def town for me right now. There posts are quite reactionary. ... Isn't reactionary generally used to describe scum play?3. He agrees with Alur's town read on MexicanAlien; disagrees with Tumblewood's scum read of MexicanAlien 4. Alur barely mentions Onegu, but when he does it seems like it's a slight town read. Tumblewood classifies Onegu as null. JesusIncarnate disagrees with both of them, claiming that he finds Onegu scummy. Now: does this seem like someone who has similar reads to Alur and Tumblewood? Doesn't look like it to me. In fact, it looks scummier the more I look at it. Let's not forget this gem later on: On January 28 2016 04:02 JesusIncarnate wrote: @Tumblewood Shapelog is leaning more town now, but im not outright town-reading them. Other than that its the same. I do not feel confident in lynching Onegu however, the people on the vote are particularly shocking. I'll prob do filter posts when i have more time, as right now i can only read thread and type shit. Okay Shapelog is now town, which is convenient, given that he hasn't provided any reason why his opinion changed (besides perhaps, the town consensus). But, the rest of his reads are the same, i.e. Onegu is the most scummy for him. But then he directly contradicts himself and comes off as wishy-washy regarding the Onegu lynch wagon, saying that the people voting him are shocking: (Trfel, Eden, Noon, Shapelog). This is pretty terrible. I think JesusIncarnate is mafia | ||
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On January 28 2016 14:23 Ikidomari wrote: Hi all, Sorry for being so inactive at the start, I've been real busy with life, and I've had a hell of a rough time catching up on the game, got a major headache trying to figure everything out. I'll try to be far more active from here on out, feel free to question me all you want, and I'll answer as quickly as possible. Sorry for any weird formatting issues, the lack of direct quotes, and general rambly-ness of my post, I'm writing from a phone and having a hell of a time getting it all done. READS with explanations (mostly): + Show Spoiler + PepperMintTea Never played forum, but has played in real-life / online, so at least somewhat experienced. Points out a lot of flaws in people's arguments, times that they've said things that are weak / make little sense. Constantly asking for more information, where people got certain ideas, and asks hard-hitting questions. PMT is one of my top town reads, either that or very good mafia, and I'm being taken for a ride, but based on their lack of forum experience, I'd say PMT is just good town. Tumbleweed looks like this is his first game, or one of his first, went very pro-active early, maybe a bit over-aggressive on the scum calls, but started making more town reads later on. I don't know, comes off as bad town trying too hard, or bad mafia to me, i'm not experienced enough to tell the difference. If I had to give a solid answer, I'd say he's bad town who changed his mind a bit too often in an attempt to get reactions out of people, falling over himself trying to avoid being mis-lynched. JesusIncarnate Very few posts (I know, he still has more than I do) Posts he has made haven't been very constructive at all. He's coming off as extremely arrogant, enough so that it's got to be some sort of act, because there's no way someone's going to say "I am a Mafia Grandmaster", "speak to me with respect, I deserve it, i am above you" unless they're putting it on, and I mean, look at that name. Only constructive information he's given to town is calling out Eden for supposedly falling for a simple strat. My read is that jesus is an unhelpful town, who has annoying posts to read- 'sick meme' 'residentsleeper' Jesus, why are you putting such a big target on your back for someone to attack you? what do you gain? Alur Seems like good town to me. He's intent on solving the game, asks questions, answers questions asked of him, Isn't going crazy trying to turn people on one another, or attacking anyone too hard. He seems to be frustrated at my lack of posting, understandable, I would be too. Sorry about that. I like Alurs posts, He's towney, he's not obnoxious, he doesn't seem like he's putting on any sort of act. He also posted "Gonna play some dota or cs to relax". You KNOW someone's taking the game seriously when they swap to dota of all games to chill out. Kuragari Reationary to other people's posts, hasn't posted much in the way of solving the game, just spoke to other players. He did say he wouldn't go into reads until later in the first day, but for someone with quite a few posts, not much has been said. Not enough information on the guy to make a proper judgement. Slightly scummy, not enough to vote on. darthfoley Very town, posted a lot of constructive things, good attitude. I'm on a phone so it's hard to quote everything I want to touch on, but my number 1 town spot goes to this guy. He posts a lot and is vocal about his reads, and backs them up with other posts. I think he'll be useful to town later on, and if we have a doctor, you should consider putting this guy on your save list. nooniansoong My read is good-town, asks some good questions, spots inconsistencies, doesn't hop on other people's scum reads and back them up, tries to dissect them and point out any flaws, good for getting more information. Trfel Scum read, has a whole lot of posts just asking questions without contributing any information, a whole lot of words with not much to say. Jumped on the voting for tumbleweed bandwagon simply because it's embarrassing the newbies caught tumble, and not Trfel himself? (Am I missing something here?) My biggest reason for thinking Trfel is scum is #607 where he says he's trying very hard not to direct the thread, then proceeds to direct the hell out of the thread dissecting tumbleweed's filter, this results in tumbleweed being the current lynch target. Maybe this is a sick town play and we're going to get rid of mafia on the first night, but I think, judging from his experience, Trfel is an experienced mafia player, and is scum trying to get a townie lynched on day 1. from here on out my posts are going to be shorter, I'm getting a headache going over everything, this is my own fault for being so inactive at the start, there's so much content to wrap my head around. Onegu Seems scummy, lots of short very defensive answers, "Big post coming from me" was actually just a bunch of short reactions to other people's posts. that being said, I disagree with several of his reads, especially Tea being mafia. that being said I do agree with his Trfel read. I don't think he's scum enough to vote, but definitely enough to keep my eye on. _MexicanAlien Comes off as a noob at the start. I don't think he's scum, but he's not being very helpful to town, either. I disagree with his reads. Eden Seems town, nice long posts, decent contribution Shapelog Heck, man you've posted so much. Chill out a bit, think before you post. A lot of your posts are off-topic and it's not too helpful. I'm reading you as town for now but I'm going to keep a close eye on you from now on. OKAY SO My top 3 for each Scum: Onegu, JesusIncarnate, Tfel Town: PMT, Darth, Alur Keep a close eye on: Shape, Tumble, Kuragari I'm going to refrain from voting for at least a little while, if I even vote at all. + Show Spoiler + we are allowed to abstain from voting, right? For now, please feel free to AMA, call me out, whatever. I'll be reading the thread a lot for at least the next few hours. Welcome to the thread! Hope you're getting caught up. I like your post, but I have a question. You mention that Onegu and Trfel are in your scum category. Do you think that they could be on a scum team together? If one flips mafia, will that change your opinion on the other? | ||
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On January 28 2016 03:23 Tumblewood wrote: 1. Shapelog 2. Trfel 3. Onegu I need to log off for now, see you all in a couple hours. Tumble I'd like to know if these are still your scum reads? If they've changed, I want to know why. Also, you have both Trfel and Onegu in your scum pile. They've been pretty accusatory against each other; same question I posed to Aussie friend: do you believe they could be on the same team? If one flips scum, does it change your opinion on the other? | ||
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On January 28 2016 15:16 Eden1892 wrote: sigh hittin me right in the feels with "keep me alive so I can learn" I'll humor that your post took a while and you changed your mind as a result, Iki. After all, I pretty rapidly changed course on who I wanted to lynch while I was typing my post But you got to explain to me what changed your mind. It's a bit odd to me that you claim you did, because you didn't make much mention of Jesus in-between your read on him and your list of reads. And you didn't put it back in at the end... or in the follow-up post where you voted for him... So what changed your mind about Jesus? Please be as specific as you can. *hint, if you want to stay alive, I suggest you do as he says and not fall back on "i'm a noob!" excuse* We've all been there, but if you want to stick around, you need to prove that you have value. This doesn't mean that you need to solve every person in every post you write. It's perfectly fine to focus on only a couple of people, if you have legitimate reasons to do so. With that said, I am too interested in hearing about why your opinion of JesusIncarnate changed. I'm assuming you read my case against him before you posted, so why the change mid way through your post? | ||
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1. JesusIncarnate 2. Kuragari 3. Ikidomari (??) Strongest TRs: 1. Eden 2. Alur 3. PMT Starting to get town vibes from Tumblewood, so he's off my list for now. I don't really see myself voting for anyone besides Jesus or Ikidomari at this point in time. Maybe if Kuragari continues to be lackluster and a wagon forms somehow. | ||
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On January 28 2016 15:46 Ikidomari wrote: what does WIFOM mean? and NAI for that matter. WIFOM:+ Show Spoiler + NAI: not alignment indicative | ||
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I'm pretty in agreement with PMT right now in terms of possible lynch targets. Jesus, Kuragari + I want to reread Onegu's and Tumblewood's filter. I thought of some things this morning that I want to cross reference r | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:55 Alur wrote: Rofl. What doc? How can you be sure this is setup A) or C)? This is so god damn bad. Either you're doc and you just outed yourself, or you're mafia and let slip that we're playing either A or C. There's a 3/13 chance your mafia, there's a 1/13 chance you're doc. And you're scummy as hell ##Unvote ##Vote: Kuragari | ||
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People are giving me shit for laying off of Ikidomari a bit, but you're going to let Kuragari off the hook saying he didn't understand the setup when it's a clear slip? I find that very hard to believe if he actually pays attention to the game or read the OP for more than 5 seconds. The only other person who has mentioned the possibility of a doc is Ikidomari, which is strange itself. This guy literally says we have a doc in the game.......... | ||
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On January 28 2016 13:00 Kuragari42 wrote: @darth Your opinion on me did change, I will try to remember to find the posts tmr. You did flip sides on Alur as you admitted. You changed tones on Onegu, not necessarily lean. You did read Eden for meta originally. There was no mention as far as I saw other than the meta read of why you town read him. My phone is about to die so peace out until tomorrow. Left off at post #627. Also quoting this because he hasn't followed up on it, and it's kind of bullshit again. Yes, I did meta read Eden originally, but you really didn't see any other reason why I town read him? Because two posts before I mention meta, I posted this: Eden, i've been trying to make exactly the point you just made about Shapelog. The scum Kush meta read thing just makes no sense. I also liked Kush's interaction with Pepperminttea. He is playing a lot more substantively this game imo. I also think that there was Shapelog mafia pile on, and I'm suspicious of a couple people. I'm interested to see your analysis re p13-14 when you get a chance tomorrow I clearly town read Eden for more than one thing. You look even worse if you went through my filter and ignored my first post regarding Eden, and focused solely on the meta aspect of it. | ||
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On January 29 2016 01:52 Shapelog wrote: You're just mad that I did the same thing to you with Rik and Giyga Khan in Nutcracker aren't you? Also duh ik, But if we end up lynching Ikido and he flips scum, then I already have a direction to go into and poke. About your stupid tinfoil darth/eden/ikido scum team: I know this is WIFOM, but my first (scum) game, we lost our roleblocker D1 and the 3 people who voted for him were more or less confirmed as town for the rest of the game, which makes it almost impossible to win as mafia. I would be more than okay bussing a shitty mafia teammate who's super obvious (no offense Ikido) if it meant getting me super town cred, especially considering Eden and I were the first ones to talk about his inconsistencies (wouldn't be questioned about bandwagoning). Second WIFOM point, I suggest you take a look through my filter from last game. Unless I leveled up severely in the last two weeks, I wouldn't have the confidence to play such an assertive, risky mafia game. I don't question your doubts on Ikido, but even if he flips scum, it will be NAI about me and Eden | ||
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I think [darthfoley] will be useful to town later on, and if we have a doctor, you should consider putting this guy on your save list. This struck me at the time as a possible red flag, because he was the first player to mention blue roles in a long time. I read it more town than scum however, because I could definitely see a noob stating that IF we have a doc, he/she should consider saving my #1 TR. No one else that I have seen said anything else about "weird NKs" or shit like that. If i'm wrong, let me know | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:12 Shapelog wrote: Well I ask you (and this extends to Eden, but i think he explained it a bit) Why did you give Ikido so much ways to escape in you posts towards him? All the coachs, newbie, etc. excuses. Why? Because I feel for him. Granted I was lost in my first forum mafia game as scum, but I can definitely see why a first time town wouldn't be too sure of any of this reads, and wouldn't want to offend/piss other town off. Basically, read what Trfel posted because it sums up some of my current feelings towards Ikido + Show Spoiler + I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. I think you can interpret him either way; if for example, it is Ikidomari vs. one of my TRs near EoD, I would likely vote for Ikido, but he isn't one of my primary suspects currently | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:18 Kuragari42 wrote: 50/50 = 75/25 I enjoy that logic. No clue what rule you could be referencing. "Even if both doc/mafia are equally likely to make the slip" = each of the 4 people are equally likely to make a slip there are 3 mafia + 1 doc = 4 people. 3/4 of those people are mafia; therefore, it is a 75% chance of lynching mafia IF you believe, like Alur and I do, that you slipped... especially when we have been scum reading you | ||
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On January 29 2016 04:33 Kuragari42 wrote: READS: Slight Town: PeppermintTea - While I am not in complete agreement with everything they have said/done, I have gotten a pretty steady townie vibe from them. Trofl - While originally his questions bothered me and made me lean slightly scum, I now see that each of them had a point. Shapelog - His reads/refutations are sort of out-of-the-box yet still have sense and I am in agreement with a lot of his logic. darthfoley - I was suspicious of his early game but I did not scum-read him, I just wasn't content with the strong town-reads on him. Quite a few of his posts mid-game were pretty good. I'd say if this list was ordered he would be pretty low TR. Slight Scum: Eden - His posts are not aligned with how I expect a experienced town player to post. Pretty low SR. Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR. Okay, so... You were suspicious of me early game for valid reasons, but you did not scum read me. Quite a few of my posts mid-game were pretty good, but if you ordered your list, I would be a low TR How does this read make any sense? I was suspicious but you didn't scum read me. My post in mid game were pretty good, but you still only have me as a low TR. Like this is just weaksauce all around. Let's remember that Kuragari kept bringing up how flip floppy I had supposedly been, and to my knowledge never found the posts he claimed he was going to look for regarding my flip flopping. Add the potential doc slip and I am more than satisfied on lynching Kuragari. OT: Also eagerly awaiting JesusIncarnate's epic reads! | ||
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Also okay with this wagon on Jesus. kush's point on Jesus is okay, darth's emergent case on Jesus is pretty strong for day 1, both of those players are strong town to me, and both players attacked on completely different axes from the other. Would sheep 10/10, will switch vote to push this wagon over the top if Trfel isn't going or some other wagon looks poised to overtake both. I don't think we should lynch JesusIncarnate today. Too many people are willing to do it for reasons that don't really make him scummy with nobody really trying to stop it (except I guess me). I'm still down for a Trfel lynch as a backup plan. And if all that goes to hell I'm 99% sheeping kush. I think I'm just gonna vote for Iki after all. I don't think I want Trfel to go today. Still not feeling this Jesus train -- still too many people on him for things that don't make him mafia to make me comfortable with it. "would sheep 10/10" is pretty strong language. Can you be more specific on who is doing these things you're uncomfortable with, and insight into what those things are? | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:26 Eden1892 wrote: Sure thing, it'll be sometime tonight if not earlier. I think a lot of that was in reaction to Ikidomari if that helps. Literally jumping on basically for just not liking Jesus's posting style. That kind of behavior seems to me to be vintage mafia finding an excuse to hop on a town wagon that's gaining steam. For sure. I learned that last game on Tubesock lol. No rush though, feeling decently confident about the 2/3 wagons right now. | ||
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Kura doesn't want to bus one of his mafia teammates, especially when thread sentiment is going against Jesus. Perhaps Jesus is a mafia role and Kura is regular goon? Calls it a townie vs. townie lynch to keep suspicion off of him. Find it interesting Jesus has yet to vote. Understand Onegu's reason given his son's situation | ||
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On January 29 2016 06:35 Shapelog wrote: Fuck! Why do i listen to my Gut? oh well, at least we did accomplish somethings by his death. Ikindo is my direction heading into tomorrow. Might post a synopsis of why he needs to get lynched in case I get NKed before the cycle ends. I would be astounded if you get NK'd, but I guess it's worth having on the off chance if mafia wants to fuck with people | ||
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VCA: Final vote count: Kuragari42 (6): Alur, JesusIncarnate (3): nooniansoong, Tumblewood (2): Ikidomari (0): Trfel (0): Onegu (0): PepperMintTea (0): Not voting (2): JesusIncarnate, Onegu Looking at the 6 that voted for Kuragari, I think it's probable that one mafia is on the wagon, maybe 2? Kuragari flipping town doesn't change how I view Alur, given that we were the first two iirc to really start wagoning him. I have strong read both PMT and Eden for a while, Shapelog as town lean, and null on Trfel for a while. I will have to look at their filters. Without Kuragari's vote on Tumblewood, the final VC is 6 Kura 3 Jesus 1 Tumblewood I think it was super safe for mafia to stay on Jesus because once Kuragari's wagon got steam, there was not going to be a counter wagon. It also gives town cred to Kush, Ikido and Tumblewood for not lynching town, and "staying" on their vote. I'm also fairly certain that at least one of Ikido/Tumblewood is scum. I'll have a look through their stuff too, specifically Tumblewood. At first glance, this also makes me town read MexicanAlien more | ||
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On January 29 2016 07:00 nooniansoong wrote: I like how jesus promised to do stuff and never did. Very exactly. | ||
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On January 29 2016 07:06 Trfel wrote: Darthfoley, you think that JesusIncarnate is mafia? He has done nothing to change my earlier opinion of him. However, that proved to unsuccessful this past vote on Kuragari so | ||
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On January 29 2016 07:13 _MexicanAlien wrote: I was halfway though my VCA when I realized I was doing it on the votes against Ikidomari. I don't know why. I am interested to see your reads | ||
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On January 29 2016 07:19 _MexicanAlien wrote: Wait my read reads? Like not having to do with the fake VCA? My general scum, town reads? Well, I would like know whether the VC has changed anything, who you read more town or more scum because of the vote | ||
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Alur #573 - 1st vote Kura darthfoley #574 - 2nd vote Kura; reasoning explained PMT #761 - 3rd vote Kura -immediately unvote PMT #762 - vote Onegu (Onegu only had 1 other vote at this time, from Shapelog I believe) PMT #868 hops back on Kura train - still 3rd vote - no explanation Trfefl #869 - 4th Kura vote -Previous post claims that Kura lynch is stupid -Defending Ikido from wagon -Switches off Tumblewood -No reasoning given VC AT TIME OF PMT/Trfel Votes 4 Kuragari (Alur, darthfoley, PMT, Trfel) 3 JesusIncarnate (Noon, Tumblewood, Ikidomari) 1 Tumblewood (MexicanAlien) 1 Ikidomari (Eden) Not voted: Shapelog, Kuragari, Onegu, Jesus Shapelog #871 - vote Ikido (now 4 Kura, 3 Jesus, 2 Ikido, 1 Tumblewood) Shapelog #872 - unvote Ikido (4 Kura, 3 Jesus, 1 Tumble, 1 Ikido) Shapelog #878 - vote Ikido, "going with gut" (4 Kura, 3 Jesus, 2 Ikido, 1 Tumblewood) Shapelog #894 - vote Kura (5 Kura, 3 Jesus, 1 Ikido, 1 Tumblewood) -Gut feeling = Ikido -Later blames going with gut on Kura vote Kuragari #935 - vote Tumblewood (5 Kura, 3 Jesus, 2 Tumblewood, 1 Ikido) Eden #958 - vote Kura (6 Kura, 3 Jesus, 2 Tumblewood, 1 Ikido) How many times did people vote? Shapelog: 4 (PMT, Onegu, Ikido, Kura) Eden: 4 (Onegu, Trfel, Ikido x2, Kura) darthfoley: 3 (Tumblewood, Jesus, Kura) Trfel: 3 (Onegu, Tumblewood, Kura) PMT: 2 (Onegu, Kura) Alur: 1 (Kuragari) This VCA is not a masterpiece, but I think it clearly throws suspicion on two people specifically: Trfel and Shapelog. Trfel #866: The best play is to simply not talk about this any more and just not lynch Kuragari42. The reason for this is that time will make this more clear than any amount of analysis, since in time more information about power roles is revealed. Further, talking about this more only gives mafia additional information. Trfel #869: I guess I was misinterpreting the situation. ##unvote ##vote Kuragari42 Notice that he votes literally the post after PMT comes back to the Kuragari wagon, making it 4-3 Kura > Jesus, without giving any explanation why. Also don't like posts that start like this: On January 28 2016 18:07 Trfel wrote: I mean, I may be lousy at interacting with people, but believe it or not I do have some analysis ability, enough to talk about reads Similarly, Shapelog has been on every wagon in existence: Onegu, Jesus, Ikido, and Kuragari. Gets his gut feeling mixed up (first says his gut is Ikido, later complains how his gut told him to vote Kura). There is something off about this post. I would've been okay with it perhaps early D1, but this whole "i'm so torn thing!" comes off as fake to me, especially because he only cites other people's reasons... and hasn't made one good case all game. God dammit I am so Torn right now. If only I could vote two people... I am half tempting to try to find a loophole to where i can vote both my top scum reads for todays lynch. But considering how i like the Shining (CoHost) and Prince Lonemeow (host) I will not. I think I going to vote with my gut and ##Vote: Ikidomari Though IMO both him and Kuga are up for it. Also Jesus considering the points made against him. To me, votes #4 and #5 are the votes that should be analyzed, because at 5-3 Kura > Jesus, no one was going to counter push Jesus. ESPECIALLY with Kuragari voting Tumblewood. Eden voting to make it 6-3 is NAI or maybe even slightly town, because that was the only wagon with momentum at that point. If he had hopped on and Kura had been mafia, it's a different story. In conclusion, i'm scum reading both Shapelog and Trfel | ||
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On January 29 2016 08:30 _MexicanAlien wrote: Long post incoming So Alur is the first person to seriously scum read Kuragari + Show Spoiler + Alur: His initial series of posts suffered from being quite unoriginal, and his last set of posts throw flak on darthfoley for changing his opinion on things-.... he was once again not the first one to bring it up Alur's feel for Kuragari is that his play shows mafia indicators. Not exactly reason for voting. Alur:I'll just do this before I start my game, I think he's a better option atm. ##Vote: Kuragari42 Alur has been 'gone' after "switching to dota". He was gone for less than 15 minutes, and the first thing he does is vote on Kura? What seems to prompt this vote was a VC by LoneMeow. I think Alur was simply trying to stop the bandwagon on Onegu (4 votes at the time). Right after Alur votes, darthfoley does the same. + Show Spoiler + darthfoley:I'm more than fine with that. ##vote: Kuragari42 This looks to be a simple sheep, as darthfoley has agreed with all of Alur's scum read reasons. I suspect darthfoley was a little bit irritated at Kura's dumb read on him. OK so here I was interrupted by the stupid TL server telling me I need TL+ premium or some balony. Basically I feel the second vote was definitely for legit reasons, the first as well. As I'm on a phone the formats took forever to do and I'm tired. Just wanna make sure I understand: you're saying you think both Alur and I voted for Kuragari for legitimate reasons? | ||
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On January 29 2016 09:30 nooniansoong wrote: The VCAs I'm reading kind of suck. Something that is hurting VCA right now is too potential scummers didn't even vote. This is true. I have heard remarkably little from you regarding your current reads in the game. Mind sharing any? | ||
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On January 29 2016 10:56 Ikidomari wrote: Hey guys I'm awake / at work I don't have time to make a detailed post but I'm reading your posts in my free time. I'll try and get out my thoughts on the current discussions during my lunch break (about 2-3 hours from now), if not, when I get home (anywhere from 7-10 hours) If anyone has any questions for me I'll answer them as soon as I get a chance. Usually I'd be able to post more during work hours but my staff really shit the bed while I was away for a day and a half Expecting some real content from you. No half assed stuff | ||
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On January 29 2016 10:22 Trfel wrote: I mean, don't blame me that you didn't want to lynch mafia. That's on you. We didn't want to lynch mafia? Lol. If you were so adamant against him, why would you just say fuck it and join the wagon? | ||
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You ranked me third of six on your list aka pretty logically sound on my Kuragari vote Darthfy is currently (until Ikido filps or I see reason why) a scum read of mine. I will try to remain as unbiased as possible, and focus on his voting and reasoning. I'm a scum read of yours? | ||
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On January 29 2016 11:42 Shapelog wrote: Yes due to my tinfoil theory. But Honestly I going to focus more on the cornerstone of that, Ikido, for right now. So you are i guess Innocent till Ikido flips. Prob. is a better way for right now. And @ Trofl You know what fine. let mwe skim Tumble's filter. And i do what i said i do. Sorry but this is really stupid | ||
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On January 29 2016 13:19 Eden1892 wrote: Also, I'm going to elaborate on what I mean by newer mafia tending to post in the way that Ikidomari did. I cited something from Ver's analysis of Mafia XXX in discussing his post, but I don't think anybody bothered to go read it. I suppose I can't blame you if you didn't bother to go look yourself, but now I'm posting it so you have no excuse. + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2010 13:07 Ver wrote: Day 1 Analysis: Basically I'll point out the posts that are great for analysis, either finding reds or greens. In doing analysis most posts will be worthless, it's the gems you want to search for unless you want to do a full analysis profile on that person (dragging up all their posts and looking in context for patterns). That unfortunately takes a lot of time and thus can only be done on a few people at a time. Thus for those stretched on time, it's much easier to look for mistakes/bad posts and then do a thorough inspection of said person. That's how I'll present the red analysis. Misder : Here is a great example of a mafia slipping up very obviously in day 1. These are two posts full of flagrant errors. This is the first easy mafia catch the town could've had; let's go through it: -Note the multiple apologies, excuses, the specific mention that he is still learning, and overall meek tone. Newer mafia players will try to emphasize their inexperience as a way of overcompensating. Think about this from the angle of being a townie: why would you want to say all this? What's the point in painting yourself to be some noob who is useless and shouldn't be listened to? If you want to be of use to the town, apologizing a bunch and acting all sorry for doing nothing wrong is hardly going to make yourself listened to. In fact, it will make people ignore you instead. Someone who can't even convince themself is hardly going to convince anyone else. That would be great for a mafia who wants to hide though, wouldn't it? On that angle it makes perfect sense from the mafia's perspective. You want to find reasons that make you look less suspicious without looking like you are trying too hard to do so. See how Misder isn't even suspicious before this but he's trying to make himself look less suspicious. That's entirely mafia rationale. A townie might want to defend himself if someone accuses him, but only a mafia feels inherently guilty and has a need, perhaps even a desire to defend himself before he's even a blip on anyone's radar. It's a very common pattern that I've seen many, many times. [[Redacted from post; paragraph was a separate argument against Misder that is irrelevant to Ikidomari.]] -Lastly, dock another point against Misder for his extremely mild statements about his suspicions and refusal to vote. Why would voting be impulsive? Bolded for relevance. This is a very common tell for newer mafia players that's been generally true since the dawn of online mafia. You're welcome to disagree that these behaviors make him more likely than null to be mafia, or to think that this behavior is NAI, or what have you, but your opinion flies in the face of actual years of recorded evidence to the contrary. In light of that, Trfel, I still do not understand what you struggle to see in my case, and I certainly do not understand why you felt the need to submit your concern with my case as this apparent grand enigma that makes you unable to understand what I'm doing this game. Such massive overstating of a simple difference of opinion as you "not being able to understand where [I'm] coming from this game," especially when I cite my publicly-viewable source of my tell for you to read, makes me suspicious of you -- you just look like you're trying to paint my argument as this completely unreasonable push and discredit my play this game for it, which sits very poorly with me. I read that before I started playing forum mafia and I agree with you. The main reason I wasn't in favor of Ikido D1 is because I was relatively confident that Kuragari was going to flip scum. I am more than open to lynching him D2 if he doesn't do anything to change my mind | ||
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On January 29 2016 11:42 Trfel wrote: This is the last I'll say about this. My playstyle is not a question based playstyle. My playstyle is non-interactive do analysis and post reads every night while no one else is awake. But that's not fun, so I've been trying to change it. I have been extremely busy all day. I don't have time to make reads on people and go around asking questions to gain information. This is why I spent additional time last night trying to figure things out (I stayed up until something like 4 or 5 am voluntarily last night just because I knew I wouldn't have much time at all afterwards). It's also extremely frustrating when I know that someone is mafia but I can't get anyone to listen, and everyone just calls me stupid instead. Which really kills my motivation to try and carefully figure things out, or try and force a lynch on my target through when everyone is just calling me stupid. You stayed up that late partially because your roommate locked you out. You aren't some info martyr lol. Last part of this seems like a classic OMGUS so i'm going to check out when it matters (aka votes) | ||
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On January 29 2016 11:52 Shapelog wrote: Things to do tomorrow that i prob. won't end up doing: Close read Tumble filter, Look at Eden (like someone said we let him be lazy) Investagte trofl scum Post reasons why i think Ikido is mafia (or town if by a miracle he convinces me) fixed. Why do you feel the need to look at Eden when you just posted about how confident you were that his Kuragari vote was a town tell? He was #2 on your 6 person list in terms of towniness. This post is lol | ||
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On January 30 2016 02:50 Eden1892 wrote: Possible he just saw that it did him no favors to state his reads so passively and gave us the same thing with more definition. Or that he read new material and became more confident in his results. idk. I don't think I would lynch Ikidomari at this point. The new reads list really cleaned up a lot of issues I had, but it didn't seem forced or anything. Also liked the discussion with noon. I think I would not lynch these people at this point: PepperMintTea Alur darthfoley Ikidomari _MexicanAlien Shapelog I would consider lynching these people, but would need a good reason: nooniansoong And I think these people are good lynches right now: Tumblewood JesusIncarnate Trfel Onegu Notably, I would not lynch Trfel and Onegu, and think Trfel would be a better lynch than Onegu. Onegu wasn't doing much to be very "try-hard" or useful before his oog circumstances took over, and those two can't be mafia together. noon hasn't really done all that much lately and it's starting to bother me a bit. he's still probably town, but I moved him out of my 'unlynchable' pile. I generally agree: Wouldn't consider lynching right now: Alur MexicanAlien Eden PMT Would consider, probably not my first targets: Noon Shapelog Ikidomari Onegu (?) Probable lynches: JesusIncarnate Tumblewood Trfel | ||
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On January 29 2016 17:59 PepperMintTea wrote: I don't have anything to say until day starts so just going to read and then get to work. Don't like the vibe from this tbh. You really don't have anything to say about me scum reading Shapelog or Trfel? Or about MexicanAlien or Shapelog scumreading Trfel? Or Ikidomari's or Tumblewood's list posts? I think there are always things to talk about as town. | ||
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On January 30 2016 04:31 Alur wrote: Yo Darth, sup with this post? Why do you bring up Ikidomaris list post? It was made two hours after PMT made her post. She couldn't possibly have known if it's existence when she made her post. "just going to read and then get to work" If she's reading the thread, I don't know why she wouldn't do anything during the night. My only point is that there has been plenty of stuff going on during the night worth at least discussing imo. If she were to die for example, she dies without giving a more up to date version of her reads, leaving town with a death and not much info to go off of. That or she meant reading for pleasure and going to work irl? Maybe I completely misunderstood her post idk | ||
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My thought process -Inactivity: Shitty situation irl, but he wasn't particularly helpful before he told us, and I don't think he was particularly helpful once he came back. Basically ended up trolling -He had had a wagon earlier. If he flipped scum, I thought it could give us a ton of juicy info -Couldn't get a read on him worth a shit. -Thought I was going to die, so wanted to get my shot off Sorry to Onegu. RIP Alur | ||
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On January 30 2016 06:09 nooniansoong wrote: i got roleblocked Interesting | ||
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On January 30 2016 07:19 Shapelog wrote: Especially when it is easily disprove if mafia did in fact RB someone else (- Onegu/alur) I mean all kush mafia would have to do is rb alur, kill alur and claim kush was rb'd. It's like the simplest mafia action of all time. At first glance I agree with most of what Eden said. Will probably have to look at it again. Also can't wait to hear PMT's stuff he/she has put together overnight | ||
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On January 30 2016 11:00 Ikidomari wrote: Okay I'm confused as hell, does a person get a pm if they get roleblocked? Or do they have to figure it out themselves and announce it Mod literally PMs the guy who gets roleblocked, saying "you were roleblocked" this happens regardless of your town alightment (blue role or VT) | ||
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Alur Kuragari42 Onegu darthfoley Ikidomari PepperMintTea Tumblewood JesusIncarnate nooniansoong Trfel _MexicanAlien Eden1892 Shapelog 1/3 chance we kill Mafia so I guess that's nice. | ||
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On January 30 2016 07:00 Eden1892 wrote: hmmmmmmm. I'm a bit skeptical about this roleblock claim. I don't know how reasonable it is to be suspicious of kush for this though. Basically, knowing there was a vig, and knowing the mafia know there was a vig, they had three possible roles to play around: 1. the vig (of course) 2. the veteran 3. the doctor It's plausible to roleblock somebody to play around a vigilante, which is the main reason why I don't think the claim is too weird. I don't know why kush though. But when you consider that they would also know about a protective role, wouldn't it make more sense to use the roleblock on that instead of trying to roleblock to maybe protect someone? Like I can't imagine using the roleblocker to protect Jesus from vig!Kush. The number of things you'd have to have lined up to make that a reasonable play are a bit too high for me. 1. you'd have to have a good read on kush being the vig. I don't see how you would do that. Maybe reading kush lying low as a blue makes sense, but specifically vig doesn't really make sense to me. 2. you'd have to have a good read on kush wanting to shoot Jesus. if you read him as vig I guess that's safe. 3. Jesus would also have to be mafia. obviously, but still worth noting. That's just a lot of moving parts. I don't think that's what did it. And obviously, since they shot Alur, they weren't playing around a veteran. So that leaves a doc. I don't remember kush being adamant about Alur being town... far from it, kush suggested Alur could be mafia at a couple of points. I guess if you just are trying to hit the doc at random then kush is an ok target for lying low... but then that raises another question. If they reasonably thought kush was doc, why not shoot kush? That leaves me with four possible explanations: 1. Mafia thought kush was the vig and roleblocked him to protect Jesus. This means Jesus is mafia and the mafia also didn't feel the need to play around a veteran. Lots of parts here but not impossible. 2. Mafia thought kush was the doc and roleblocked him to prevent him from protecting someone. This could be the case I guess, but it makes very little sense because I would basically always shoot the doc n1 if I had a good read on him. 3. Mafia didn't really think kush was anything and just roleblocked him. This is clearly suboptimal mafia play: if there's a vet in the game, you rb your kill if you don't think anyone else is a blue, and if there's a doc in the game and you don't think it's kush, you rb someone else to try to hit the doc. 4. kush is fakeclaiming rb. (*: Obviously claiming roleblocked doesn't confirm you town, and is NAI, but sometimes townies take an illogical stance on the roleblock and incorrectly (from a process standpoint) confirm a townie to be town. Why risk that if you don't really have a lead on a blue?) So basically, either kush is mafia or Jesus is. Because kush's rb claim can only be genuine from the standpoint where the mafia think kush is the vig, and they used the rb to protect Jesus from kush. I'd have to go look and see if Jesus is the one. kush did seem to be mostly on Jesus. I know it's probably paranoia, but #3 sub-optimal play used well could almost be used as a widespread frame. By roleblocking Kush, it could be seen as trying to RB the vig, but it also throws suspicion on all of his scum reads. Braglist version 1.1 2. Tumblewood 3. JesusIncarnate 4. Alur 7. Ikidomari 9. Trfel 10. Onegu 11. _MexicanAlien Braglist 1.2 Tumblewood JesusIncarnate Ikidomari Onegu I notice Trfel and MexicanAlien aren't on the braglist 1.2. Maybe someone felt like Kush was a safe RB on the off chance that he was blue, while also throwing a shit ton of shade on the 3 people left on Kush's list? Even if there's 1 mafia between Tumble, Jesus, Ikido (which I find super likely), I'm sure town cred could be gained by being on the right lynch wagon. This could be evident if Tumblewood flips scum, many people would consider Trfel confirmed town because of it, even though most of his Tumblewood pushing has occurred when there's no real chance Tumblewood will be lynched. Idk this is probably very unlikely and silly... Jesus is probably just mafia. But if he isn't, Kush is or we were played super hard | ||
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Off the top of the dome: I'm not sure I really understand the motivation behind mafia!Eden to go so aggressively after Onegu. I guess it could be because Onegu is a veteran and would be more likely to find inconsistencies in his posts? I mean Onegu was hardly anyone's TR... he was either null or scum read iirc. Would've been a relatively easy lynch (might've taken a couple cycles) and he probably wouldn't have had to put his finger on the scale as much. Seems like a much safer play as mafia to push Onegu, just not to the extent Eden was doing so. Even if mafia were scum and knew there was a vigi, I highly doubt scum expected the vigi shot on Onegu N1. | ||
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On January 30 2016 10:24 Ikidomari wrote: Wait wait I'm confused how the hell was noon roleblocked? It's pretty much confirmed that darth was vig and shot onegu Therefore mafia killed alur if we believe darths claim So.. You're doctor, you tried to save either alur or onegu, and mafia roleblocked you? Could you please explain who you tried to save and why? If I was the doctor my save would probably go to Eden or darth because they were far stronger town players. He first says that it's pretty much confirmed that I am town because of my role claim. In the next sentence, he says "if we believe darth's claim" ???????????????? there's actually 0% chance i'm mafia, and he just said as much. This is weird Asking Kush to reveal who he saved, without Kush claiming doc... without knowing there's even a doc in the game. Unless he knows there's a doc because he's mafia and knows the setup. I find it interesting that he almost immediately backtracks On January 30 2016 10:29 Ikidomari wrote: Actually noon I'm giving you a free pass. Don't explain any of your reasoning behind being roleblocked. It gives mafia good info and gains town nothing Perhaps someone in his scum QT (or maybe even Ikido himself) realized how bad this post looks, and tried to find a way to back track it. Why would you call it giving Kush a "free pass?" Like these posts are so weird to me. I'm willing to take a chance on losing another weaker town on the real chance that we lynch an inept mafia member. ##Vote: Ikidomari | ||
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On January 31 2016 13:38 Trfel wrote: Oh yeah, I left that line in there. Whoops. I mean, everyone hates playing with me every game I play. I keep thinking I can fix it, but I still haven't found the solution. At some point I need to just stop playing, if no one likes playing with me and it makes everyone miserable, I shouldn't do it. Some parts of this game were fun. Other parts were miserable. It took a lot of time. I need to move on. uhh I haven't hated playing with you. Don't really understand this but it would be sad to see you go. You're still on the fence for me | ||
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On January 31 2016 14:50 _MexicanAlien wrote: I find it suspicious how eden and trfel somehow decide for obscure reasons that lynching each other is not going to work or they just town read. They seem to be supporting each other in spam. I think Mafia is: Tfrel Eden1892 Mafia lean: Ikidomari Jesusincarnate Town lean: darthfoley PepperMintTea Town: Shape log Null: nooniansoong I'm personally offended that you have Shapelog as more of a town read than me given that i'm the vigilante aka blue role lol | ||
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On January 31 2016 21:43 LoneMeow wrote: Vote count: Trfel (2): nooniansoong, _MexicanAlien, JesusIncarnate (2): Ikidomari (2): Trfel, darthfoley Eden1892 (1): Shapelog Tumblewood (0): Not voting (3): Tumblewood, JesusIncarnate, Ikidomari Currently, Trfel is set to be lynched. Deadline is Sunday, Jan 31 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. Interested that 3 people haven't voted yet, all of whom have been scum read by people. Our voting is spread too thin right now | ||
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I think we should think about JesusIncarnate lynch for a few reasons: getting replaced later in the game screws up all types of reads and shit like that. Maybe scott will provide something good, but he replaced a VT last game and did nothing to dissuade people' | ||
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I think we should think about JesusIncarnate lynch for a few reasons: getting replaced later in the game screws up all types of reads and shit like that. Maybe scott will provide something good, but he replaced a VT last game and did nothing to dissuade people's scum reads. He's in a very similar spot now. I also think we can gain some info from a Jesus lynch. Remember how his wagon fell apart and Trfel + Shapelog got onto the Kuragari wagon with little explanation? If Jesus flips mafia, I think the remaining mafia is either Trfel or Shapelog. It's a safe lynch at this point in the game, no? Also, if we have a doc... please save me. I'm the only confirmed town we have and losing confirmed towns is never good. I wouldn't suggest doing a big WIFOM and not save me because you think mafia will medic dodge... or maybe i'm WIFOM'ing | ||
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PMT hasn't provided much but she's basically been all over Ikido iirc. Eden kind of explained why it makes him likely town already. I'm relatively confident they are town. Of course i'll look at some filters again, because I haven't been able to follow yesterday + today's dialogue focused enough for my liking | ||
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On February 01 2016 08:38 Ikidomari wrote: Aw fuck, I went out saturday night / sunday, wake up to be lynched sorry for being such a shitty player / having little impact on the game. If I play with TL again I'll properly research things and try to actually play well. GL to my teammates. No worries bud. I had a similar experience when I played scum my first game on TL. Hope you play more often! Town is so much easier, believe me. gg | ||
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On February 01 2016 10:43 nooniansoong wrote: @shape. yup all his town reads are turning up to be town. so all his scumreads are probably scum. that includes you lol | ||
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First read post Town: darthfoley Alur PMT Scum: Onegu JesusIncarnate Trfel Last read post Town: Alur Kuragari (already dead) Darthfoley MexicanAlien Eden Tumblewood Null/Doesn't give a read: PMT Shapelog (says he's town for now, look at him very closely) Scum Onegu Trfel Kush JesusIncarnate | ||
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Keep a close eye on (read post 1): Kuragari, Shapelog, Tumblewood | ||
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That would be Tumblewood, Shapelog, and PMT Think we should also figure out who Ikidomari seemed allergic to in the thread. Who didn't he talk to directly, or talk much about indirectly? Which of his reads seem forced? I will look into this myself, but I want to see what others think. | ||
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Trfel, what do you think town's best course of action is over the next day or two? MexicanAlien, what do you think town's best course of action is over the next day or two? | ||
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After all, we just lynched a fucking scumbag and there has been less useful discussion than when we lynched a townie and lost two others... | ||
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On February 01 2016 12:17 darthfoley wrote: Just want to summarize publicly Ikidomari's two read posts First read post Town: darthfoley Alur PMT Scum: Onegu JesusIncarnate Trfel Need to look at closer (edited this in, was the post below said quoted post): Shapelog Tumbelwood Kuragari Last read post Town: Alur Kuragari (already dead) Darthfoley MexicanAlien Eden Tumblewood Null/Doesn't give a read: PMT Shapelog (says he's town for now, look at him very closely) Scum Onegu Trfel Kush JesusIncarnate @Trfel and others. I would prefer we start playing the association game, at least a little bit. People have been scolded for that earlier, but I don't think I've seen enough discussion regarding who Ikidomari town/scum read and when now that we've actually flipped scum. I also will do my research, but I think the best way to find remaining scum and do a thorough look at his filter, focusing on who Ikidomari seems 100% in disagreement with, or who he does not directly interact with. When I was mafia last game with kush, I had no idea how to naturally interact with him in the thread, and as a result my filter mentioning him was very slim. I find it likely that Ikidomari faced similar difficulties | ||
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1) his reads were better than mine 2) mafia thought he was blue 3) both I can't remember if we just accepted his death as obvi NK, because it surprised me slightly. | ||
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On February 01 2016 07:03 PepperMintTea wrote: Here's what happens He has no knowledge of the game so far He isn't going to go through 70 pages in a detailed manner so he will skim read and come up with something not particularly useful. Just some basic surface stuff. He will still be a massive question mark Jesus was scummy and decided not to play. Scott won't remove that for me so I am lynching him regardless I have had similar thoughts regarding Jesus. That's why I really don't like posts like this. This is so dismissive from PMT. | ||
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On February 01 2016 13:27 Trfel wrote: Eden, you're really making me doubt my scumread on you Bad Eden I need to think about this more later. Anyway, @Eden and darthfoley, what do you think about what I brought up about here? Possible association between Tumblewood and Ikidomari. + Show Spoiler [@darth] + To clarify, I'm not saying never to use nk analysis and association. I'm saying that if you do so, do it very carefully, because it's so so easy to get incorrect conclusions. You need to consider every possibility, and that a possibility can exist, however unlikely, that points to the wrong thing and just makes your conclusions completely wrong. Including simply "mafia didn't think of this", even if it was the correct thing. I'm more than willing to discuss, but I don't feel like your generalized statements of what is mafia indicative were correct for why I explained. Yea I reread that. It does look pretty wishy washy while giving himself a back door. I would be comfortable lynching Tumblewood if I somehow don't die. fingers crossed there's a doc. Also, I have forgotten why Shapelog is a super strong town read for everyone. Secondly, thought I might point this out. Ikidomari was a regular mafia goon, and it makes sense why mafia wouldn't try all that hard to save him, especially given how damning the evidence was. also, when the Godfather gets lynched, does he flip town or mafia? Does Godfather only matter with cop checks? | ||
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also pls medic if you're out there | ||
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On January 30 2016 07:00 Eden1892 wrote: hmmmmmmm. I'm a bit skeptical about this roleblock claim. I don't know how reasonable it is to be suspicious of kush for this though. Basically, knowing there was a vig, and knowing the mafia know there was a vig, they had three possible roles to play around: 1. the vig (of course) 2. the veteran 3. the doctor It's plausible to roleblock somebody to play around a vigilante, which is the main reason why I don't think the claim is too weird. I don't know why kush though. But when you consider that they would also know about a protective role, wouldn't it make more sense to use the roleblock on that instead of trying to roleblock to maybe protect someone? Like I can't imagine using the roleblocker to protect Jesus from vig!Kush. The number of things you'd have to have lined up to make that a reasonable play are a bit too high for me. 1. you'd have to have a good read on kush being the vig. I don't see how you would do that. Maybe reading kush lying low as a blue makes sense, but specifically vig doesn't really make sense to me. 2. you'd have to have a good read on kush wanting to shoot Jesus. if you read him as vig I guess that's safe. 3. Jesus would also have to be mafia. obviously, but still worth noting. That's just a lot of moving parts. I don't think that's what did it. And obviously, since they shot Alur, they weren't playing around a veteran. So that leaves a doc. I don't remember kush being adamant about Alur being town... far from it, kush suggested Alur could be mafia at a couple of points. I guess if you just are trying to hit the doc at random then kush is an ok target for lying low... but then that raises another question. If they reasonably thought kush was doc, why not shoot kush? That leaves me with four possible explanations: 1. Mafia thought kush was the vig and roleblocked him to protect Jesus. This means Jesus is mafia and the mafia also didn't feel the need to play around a veteran. Lots of parts here but not impossible. 2. Mafia thought kush was the doc and roleblocked him to prevent him from protecting someone. This could be the case I guess, but it makes very little sense because I would basically always shoot the doc n1 if I had a good read on him. 3. Mafia didn't really think kush was anything and just roleblocked him. This is clearly suboptimal mafia play: if there's a vet in the game, you rb your kill if you don't think anyone else is a blue, and if there's a doc in the game and you don't think it's kush, you rb someone else to try to hit the doc. 4. kush is fakeclaiming rb. (*: Obviously claiming roleblocked doesn't confirm you town, and is NAI, but sometimes townies take an illogical stance on the roleblock and incorrectly (from a process standpoint) confirm a townie to be town. Why risk that if you don't really have a lead on a blue?) So basically, either kush is mafia or Jesus is. Because kush's rb claim can only be genuine from the standpoint where the mafia think kush is the vig, and they used the rb to protect Jesus from kush. I'd have to go look and see if Jesus is the one. kush did seem to be mostly on Jesus. Quoting this so people can look at this post again | ||
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Nah but seriously, this is very good work. Very good work. On the other hand, if you're right and there is no doc in the game, mafia knows this and I will 100% die tomorrow. Either way, I think this game got a lot clearer in the last hour. Do we go for Tumblewood first and if he's mafia, finish off with Kush? | ||
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On February 02 2016 00:04 nooniansoong wrote: *dude do i look like last game to you Does the game look like last game to you? You didn't lose your roleblocker on D1 like last time. I would actually be very disappointed in you if you were mafia, got 3 townies killed/shot/lynched, and weren't playing more active. The circumstances of the games are quite different, and you know that. | ||
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Town list: MexicanAlien Eden Probably Shapelog Null: PMT Jesus Trfel Scum: Tumblewood Kush My parting words are: I really liked Eden's case against the two of them. Fits together quite nicely. I think the best play as town is to lynch Tumblewood, see what he flips, and continue from there. He's been MIA similar to Ikido when it was clear he was being lynched, and he never provided much substance. Eden is my strongest TR. Shapelog's filter length almost singlehandedly doesn't make me want to case him, which is effective if mafia, I guess lol. GG (probably) and good luck to the town. | ||
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8/13 players alive: darthfoley Shapelog MexicanAlien Trfel PMT Kush scott Tumblewood 4 VTs, 2 role, 2 mafia Think the Eden kill suggests that scum is intent on ridding the game of experienced town players and making the noobs figure it out for ourselves. And they probably don't think i'm very good. Which is unfortunate. We really need to be careful about mislynching people. The upside is that we do still have both blue roles in the game. | ||
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On February 02 2016 06:04 PepperMintTea wrote: ##vote scott31337 see you wednesday Why are you so content with doing absolutely nothing? | ||
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On February 02 2016 06:21 Trfel wrote: Oh, so THAT'S what you meant. Thanks for clarifying, I never would have figured that out on my own. But seriously, do you have any conclusions based on the night kill? The real question is, do you have any conclusions? The great thing about being blue, is that I don't have to prove my towniness. I'm more interested in what other people have to say right now. Of course I have some theories of my own. | ||
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On February 02 2016 06:43 PepperMintTea wrote: i'm voting mafia nothing is what you're doing wow such sick one liners! It's actually amazing how bad your filter has become tbh. Page 1/2 compared to 3/4 are like two different players. | ||
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My point is: even if you're right and we correctly lynch Scott/Jesus, we still have one mafia left. Where would you go from there, and why? I feel more comfortable looking at the bigger picture at this point, than looking at one super inactive player in a vacuum. What made Jesus's play over the top scummy for you, rather than simply very inactive town? | ||
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Tumblewood, what do you make of the Eden NK? What advantage would that afford mafia over killing a confirmed blue role? | ||
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On February 02 2016 22:55 _MexicanAlien wrote: OK, so on the night kill. Why did the Mafia kill Eden1892? How does this benefit the Mafia? I've thought of two answers. 1. Eden1892 was getting too close to the truth. 2. Killing Eden1892 somehow made scum less suspicious. On answer #1 + Show Spoiler + Eden decided(with his town reads), that the Mafia must come from PepperMintTea, nooniansoong, and Tumblewood. {post #1691} He went on to scum read Tumblewood and nooniansoong. Eden saw that •Ikidomari was flip floppy on Tumblewood •Ikidomari thought Trfel was for sure Mafia •Ikidomari attacked Trfel for Trfel's tumblewood read He used this information to associate Ikidomari with Tumblewood. Eden does the same thing with nooniansoong, using the weirdness of noon's attack on Trfel, his town read on Eden, and his being on IKidomari's null/watch list. I actually this this is good case. Due to my association read of Eden1892 (which was completely wrong), I thought by more association that Trfel was scum. But definitely less likely now. If reason #1, I can believe a Tumble wood and nooniansoong scumteam. On answer #2 + Show Spoiler + Let's think of the people who would look less suspicious if Eden1892 were to die and flip town. This would include: • Eden's town reads •People who had a lot of interaction with Eden (especially near the end) The people who fit best into those categories are: _MexicanAlien Trfel darthfoley MexicanAlien. Eden1892 flying off the handle at me (loads of useless talk) but near the end giving me a 'basically confirmed town' would really help me as scum. Trfel. This guy seems to have been really buddying Eden a lot, especially for having scum read Eden. He mostly stayed in the background early in the game without making many connections, but then came out and agreed with almost everything Eden says. Also, Eden was town reading Trfel for a good amount of time, so this could leave Trfel with still a clear name. darthfoley. He's vigilante. 'Nuff said. I feel much less confident in this reason than in #1, mostly because of less powerful logic. If reason #2, Trfel is Mafia. I don't have any idea as to who his scummate would be, too tired at this point. Just some reasoning. Really tired and need to do some application forms for summer programs, catch y'all later. Using read #1, isn't the Eden NK the perfect one from PMT's perspective? If you believe that he was too close to the truth, his scum association read-- which, by the way, I really like too-- is Tumblewood + Kush. However, he lumped PMT into this category, but ended up kind of nulling/slightly clearing her (have to re-look at that). So, Eden dies, and if you believe reason #1, everyone latches onto Kush and Tumblewood. Everyone focuses in on Tumblewood and Kush because of the association read, and most forget about PMT being in that category. It would be great for her, because let's say we mislynch Kush or Tumblewood who flip town. People will probably then decide that reason #2 is the real reason Eden was NK'd. Town turns its attention to people who may have looked less suspicious from the Eden NK, and PMT coasts even farther into the game without having contributed any reads over the past two days. This is simply a hypothesis, but one I intend to pursue, on the off chance that I find anything. | ||
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I just find his 2 page filter, 3 days into the game quite scummy. He only resurfaces when he needs to | ||
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On February 03 2016 02:58 _MexicanAlien wrote: If PepprMintTea is scum, I think her most logical scummate is nooniansoong If Tumblewood is scum, I think nooniansoong is the most logical scummate. If scott31337 is scum, I think nooniansong is a possible scummate. I think nooniansoong is a pretty good lynch candidate. Can you explain why you think these things? Or refer me to past posts of yours | ||
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On February 03 2016 04:23 nooniansoong wrote: TRFEL IS SCUM 1 All his cases are based on bullshit Remember pg 16 in his tumble case LOL... Townread on jesus for saying "shitpost;townpost" and being cocky. etc 2 No thought went into his kuragari vote The timeline is he thought kura was town, he thought kura blueclaimed, he realized kura didn't blueclaim, then he voted. Then he gives this reason only after the fact. So we get a generic, after the fact justification. 3 Ikido read is inconsistent These were his reads n1: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2016 11:19 Trfel wrote: Okay, I finished my analysis. I think that the mafia team is Tumblewood, Onegu, and Eden1892. I will be attempting to use a new posting style from now on. Tumblewood is mafia because:
AND he was hard defending ikido: + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote: I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote: If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote: Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny? I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain. But suddenly, when the lynch is between himself, jesus, and ikido, Ikido becomes his most confident read: + Show Spoiler + On January 31 2016 13:15 Trfel wrote: Ikidomari is mafia because of his large amount of apologies early on in the game. His activity also fits mafia motivation, instead of displaying a desire to solve the game. There are also several inconsistencies in his play. One example of this is that he repeatedly says that he is a good lynch because he is a weak player.But, the third statement doesn't match. Town doesn't say "lynch me, you should lynch me, but here's some defense". Town will, in rare circumstances, ask to be lynched and/or vote for themselves, but there is always some sort of possible town motivation behind it (generally proving that their scumreads are genuine). Here, there is none of this. He's asking to be lynched and asking to survive at the same time, which makes him mafia. One other thing to look at is how Ikidomari has been playing after the Day 1 lynch. He posted analysis, fine. He didn't have time before the lynch, so he didn't push anything or stay up to date, fine. He comes back and posts analysis, fine. Here's what else happens. Eden, arguably the person most vocally scumreading him, townreads him. Then he leaves, and comes back later with this weird post, which caused Shapelog and I to say that it was a bit towny. Then, once we said that, he just vanished. No push, no reads, no updates, just gone. And he hasn't returned since. This is extremely mafia motivated, because he's playing to survive, instead of push mafia. Ikidomari is my most confident scumread, I'm nearly positive that he is mafia. Pretty sure Tumblewood is mafia. After that, I am willing to look at Trfel again. | ||
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This is such a simple post, yet I get really strong town vibes from it. Why would mafia remind someone who's agreed upon as town that he didn't read him? I just see a newbie mafia member seeing that post, not seeing their name, fist pumping and moving on with the thread. | ||
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On February 04 2016 03:18 Trfel wrote: Darthfoley, why Scott instead of Tumblewood? All will be revealed in due time. Fret not, Trfel. | ||
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On February 04 2016 03:34 scott31337 wrote: I'm pretty confident this is why Eden is dead and not conftown Darthfoley. I may regret this, but I'll regret more that Eden was right and didn't follow his ways. I'm HARD claiming Veteran. So that throws out mafia attempting to roleblock the doc - the setup is vig/vet. So Kush is probably bullshitting about being roleblocked and is mafia - probably with Tumblewood who he keeps defending like a boss. On February 04 2016 03:26 darthfoley wrote: All will be revealed in due time. Fret not, Trfel. | ||
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On February 04 2016 03:10 darthfoley wrote: Gonna remind either Tumblewood or Scott, if you're a blue role, please tell us before EoD so we can get off your wagon. And not like 13 seconds before EoD There ya go, Trfel | ||
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Hopefully Tumble or whoever we lynch is the RB, so vet can stay alive longer | ||
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On February 04 2016 04:36 PepperMintTea wrote: i acknowledge your apology but it doesn't make it ok what you did Didn't realize you were still in the game lol | ||
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On February 04 2016 06:09 scott31337 wrote: If you could drop a thought-bomb before start of day Darth, I'd appreciate it. Yea i'm gonna die unless mafia really think's im stupid or just wants to lose. I'll definitely post a summary of what I think going into the late game. | ||
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1) I feel bad for him-- 2 games in a row with noob mafia 2) Eden is GOAT | ||
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On February 04 2016 07:02 nooniansoong wrote: If only I could concede i concede, i am the godfather | ||
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This is especially damning because the whole Kush being RB'd thing implicated Jesus/Scott, who we now know is Vet himself. Kush is mafia | ||
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Kush PMT Shapelog Trfel MexicanAlien Scott | ||
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Confirmed town: Me, scott Pretty sure town: Trfel, MexicanAlien Null: Shapelog Lean scum: PMT Scum: Kush Kush: Read Eden's post on his association with Tumblewood. Also, if you're interested, go back to the Unoriginal Mini Mafia game from a month or so ago; Kush was pretty neutral towards his scum teammate (me) early on, but hard defended me away from a lynch later in the game. Seems exactly like what he did with Tumblewood here. Think it's definitely the right first lynch. PMT: Read my post regarding why the Eden NK was potentially quite good for PMT. I think that is still worth pursuing, if Kush gets mislynched. PMT has basically done jack shit since D1, which is also scummy to me. Even if PMT flips town, I'm annoyed that she really didn't provide anything worth anything since very early on. I'm almost certain the scum is one of these two. Shapelog: dat filter... even though much of his contributions have been kinda useless (e.g. tin foil eden/darth/scott team LOL two blues), he's at least seemed interested at comparing reads, and pressing people. Null/town lean Trfel: he had been trying to lynch Tumblewood forever. I don't see a scenario in which mafia leads a lynchmob on their RB, with the veteran still alive, from basically D2. It makes no sense, so Trfel is almost confirmed town in my mind. MexicanAlien: he's gotten less and less productive as the game has gone on. That said, I haven't seen anything scummy that would point me towards lynching him. He's seemed genuinely aggressive. Scott: You're vet, and you will not die this game. If need be, mafia will leave you alive until final 3. There's just no chance the mafia (being one left) wastes a night shooting your first life. So congrats, because lynching RB and claiming vet within the same day ensures your survival. Knowing this, I think Kush has basically given up. Those are my reads, boys and girls. I wish Town the best. | ||
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On February 11 2016 04:53 kitaman27 wrote: I didn't follow the game very closely, but why was there a role claim from the vet? There could have been a 50/50 chance at sending the game into day six instead. Because vet was about to get lynched D4 or something | ||
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