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PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 18 2016 17:34 GMT
#4
I never played forum before but I want to try

/in
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 25 2016 22:06 GMT
#135
That's a shame

I hope the game starts correctly tomorrow
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 26 2016 22:01 GMT
#206
I'm glad the game started tonight, excited to play forum mafia.

I have to do some work but I will read through later and provide some input.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 26 2016 22:58 GMT
#253
Finished my work going to read the game
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 26 2016 23:30 GMT
#257
A fairly interesting beginning. I wanted to share some of my observations

Shapelogseems to strike me as overexcited or nervous. I also do not believe he is reading the game carefully enough and he just spouts whatever comes into his head. At first his read of "town lean on MexicanAlien" seems rather farfetched

On January 27 2016 07:48 Shapelog wrote:

But any ways Mexican Alien is prob. town for trying to figure out what we should do. Even when he does not know what to do, he still trys to be helpful.


Considering MexicanAlien spent several posts calling Shapelog suspicous and didn't strike me as overly helpful it seems bizarre that Shapelog could come to this conclusion. But based on my observation of how Shapelog acts it seems to be a very weak throwaway read with no substance. Ignoring the read therefore, I typically see the excessive posting of nonsense as a town trait where he isn't being too careful about anything. So I would have Shapelog leaning town for now.

For MexicanAlien I didn't see him being helpful as Shapelog called it, in fact I was rather put off by the way he phrased this observation

On January 27 2016 07:43 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Why does shapelog call his own play dumb? Shouldn't he be trying to play well? "Improve D1"?


It is difficult to say why this bugged me, perhaps because it is phrased as a question. However I think it is unlikely that a new player who rolled mafia would come out very early with somewhat weak accusations. So I would have MexicanAlien leaning town aswell.

Onegu seems keen to help people out as a veteran player. I hope this continues and develops into more substantial observations.

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 26 2016 23:37 GMT
#259
On January 27 2016 08:33 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 08:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
Onegu seems keen to help people out as a veteran player. I hope this continues and develops into more substantial observations.


So this makes him lean town or no?


No because I feel that as a Newbie I would be susceptible to a mafia veteran being nice and helpful to get a town read. Therefore I am reserving my judgement until he gives more meaningful contribution and was subtly influencing him to do as such.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 26 2016 23:41 GMT
#261
On January 27 2016 08:38 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 08:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
Shapelogseems to strike me as overexcited or nervous. I also do not believe he is reading the game carefully enough and he just spouts whatever comes into his head. At first his read of "town lean on MexicanAlien" seems rather farfetched


This seems contradictory. Nervous people don't spout whatever comes into their head.


Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 26 2016 23:45 GMT
#263
On January 27 2016 08:44 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 08:41 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:38 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
Shapelogseems to strike me as overexcited or nervous. I also do not believe he is reading the game carefully enough and he just spouts whatever comes into his head. At first his read of "town lean on MexicanAlien" seems rather farfetched


This seems contradictory. Nervous people don't spout whatever comes into their head.


Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue.

Show nested quote +

Ignoring the read therefore, I typically see the excessive posting of nonsense as a town trait where he isn't being too careful about anything. So I would have Shapelog leaning town for now.


How do you know this when you have no experience to back it up? This being your first game of forum mafia and all.


I have played mafia before; online versions and in real life.

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 00:05 GMT
#265
I have to go, be back tomorrow
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 09:03 GMT
#402
Good Morning, I am here for an hour or so and will read carefully through the thread since I left but ask any questions if you wish.

To quickly answer a question I saw has come up a few times. Generally of the form "why does nervousness make him town?"
I don't know the exact reason. Maybe he is nervous about being mis-lynched, maybe he is anxious to get town read by other players. The point being it is easy to be nervous or anxious if you are a new player.
Whatever the reason, I viewed his haphazard posting as a result of over excitement and nerves and that this is typically town.

As to nooniansoong's point about me leaving the thread, I have to say that after my first observations I waited in the thread for probably 30 minutes or more and happily answered his questions. After it seemed no more questions were forthcoming I went to sleep as I get up early each day. It seems an unfair statement that I didn't linger because I was not wanting to be exposed when I happily answered his questions.

If I find any other questions in my read through I will happily answer them but I hope this deals with the confusion people are suffering people.


PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 09:23 GMT
#403
On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.

Do you have any scumreads?

I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.


Sorry you are mistaken and I didn't townread Onegu, I actually got
asked this very same question earlier.
I didn't have any scum reads when you asked this

Shapelog #278

There are several inaccuracies in your post, accidental i'm sure
but you need to calm down and read things thoroughly before you start
throwing out wild accusations.

The posts you quoted by _MexicanAlien could come from either alignment.
Specifically

Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Is anyone else here seeing a pattern?

This shows he is reading the thread and is trying to actively solve the game. Patterns are usally the first thing the brain notices when Analyzing things.


you don't even know what the pattern is yet? That is why I found your
town read farfetched but it fits in with your over excited play.


You go on to say that I "don't town read _MexicanAlien" when that is simply false.
if you read the post I say that his post, "initially bugged me but I do think he
is leaning town because it is unlikely a mafia noobie would come out early with accusations
against a weak player."


You then mention something about how I dropped the overexcited part.
Nooniansoong specifically asked me about you being nervous
and I answered about you being nervious.

In reality the vote on me is rather poor.

@Onegu


Then you should know new mafia in fourm are much less likely to post than town. Paranoia is a thing.



Totally agree that is why I thought shapelog was town, not sure what point you are trying to make.

That seems to clear up a lot of the nonsense aimed at me. I will give my thoughts about other players soon.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 09:54 GMT
#404
I need to read Onegu, Eden and Trfel more carefully because that looks fairly interesting.

Prior to that I think darthfoley is my strongest town read so far. Specifically I liked this question

On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you?


A keen observation and an important question.

I would agree overall with his conclusion of Shapelog

darth I would like to know what you think about Alur.







PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 10:30 GMT
#405
On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892

Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.

There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though.


Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy?


On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
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On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.

And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.

Do you care to explain these discrepancies?



What are you talking about?

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?


@Onegu

I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell".
The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice.


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On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.

Do you have any scumreads?

I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.



Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine.

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On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much.


Bleh. Can be caused by being busy...


I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 10:32 GMT
#406
I will be here for another 10 minutes and then I have to leave,

if you have any questions then ask them now, otherwise I will get to them this evening.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 15:11 GMT
#446
Got a bit of time over lunch to read through
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 15:30 GMT
#453
On January 27 2016 21:14 nooniansoong wrote:
Pmt scum reads and why?


I have some players I want to investigate further before I give any true scum reads


PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 15:44 GMT
#455
The discussion about Onegu-Shapelog has been a bit confusing to me. Some players are basing an onegu scum read on the fact that he should have been reading Shapelog as clear town rather than scummy, correct? However if you actually break down what Onegu has said.

On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck.


On January 27 2016 07:08 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck.

What exactly is weird about anything Shapelog did? Specifics please.



Like talking about someones meta before they even post is just so random. Like it was a joke at first then it went into real meta talk.


I don't think either of these statements are unfair. Onegu later qualifies the reason he doesn't have a clear town read as "could be mafia talking just to talk"

Now whilst this does fly in the face of something he said to me.


Then you should know new mafia in fourm are much less likely to post than town. Paranoia is a thing.


If that is a possible interpretation of shapes posting, I don't see why Onegu should have to have Shape as clear 100% town. It is possible Shape could be talking just to talk sure.
I personally believe shape is likely town based on his hyper activity but not all people have the same perspective.

I did look over Eden's argument and i'm not convinced. I do have other questions for Onegu but I think some people are getting carried away.

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 16:05 GMT
#457
I want you to expand a bit more on these reads because they don't seem to have great explanations and I want to figure some things out.

On January 27 2016 22:04 JesusIncarnate wrote:
Good day lads. I already hate shapelog.

I think they're scum. Quite clear they are trying to make themselves seem incredibly towny. No fear of putting a target on their back either.

I mean, lol making a potential setup list is pointless.



I'm a bit confused why not being scared and trying to be towny makes you scum. Can you expand on this.






Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 08:38 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
Shapelogseems to strike me as overexcited or nervous. I also do not believe he is reading the game carefully enough and he just spouts whatever comes into his head. At first his read of "town lean on MexicanAlien" seems rather farfetched


This seems contradictory. Nervous people don't spout whatever comes into their head.

quite the twist on peppers post. I think they were trying to spout "helpful" stuff (ie: the potential rolelists)




I don't understand what you are saying here can you explain this.


i also like alur, there reads are pretty similar to mine.

tumblewood has kind of similar reads to mine, but he is null on pepper. So what the fuck are you doing boy?




Which reads specifically did you like and why

The reads on darth and trefl seem particularly lazy so perhaps you can add to those.


Onegu, scummy to me. Posting long essays mean nothing to me.



ok if a long essay means "nothing" why does that make onegu scummy. what has he done that makes him scum to you?


PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 16:21 GMT
#459
On January 28 2016 01:10 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 18:03 PepperMintTea wrote:
....

To quickly answer a question I saw has come up a few times. Generally of the form "why does nervousness make him town?"
I don't know the exact reason. Maybe he is nervous about being mis-lynched, maybe he is anxious to get town read by other players. The point being it is easy to be nervous or anxious if you are a new player.
Whatever the reason, I viewed his haphazard posting as a result of over excitement and nerves and that this is typically town.

....




This may be late in coming but I think it deserves some thought.

I find it interesting how PMT rephrases this question. She says "why does nervousness make him town?", when more along the lines of what was asked is
"why would nervousness make him seem town?"
Or
"why do you think being nervous makes him town?"

It looks like PMT took it for granted that people thought Shapelog is town from that point on. She goes on to say

"I don't know the exact reason."

This "reason" is an opinion, not a fact! Shouldn't PMT be aware as to her own reasons for town reading Shapelog?

He is obviously not nervous about being mis-lynched, and not stressing about trying to prove his townieness.


PMT ends with the conclusion that Shapelog's "haphazardous posting is a result of his overexitment and nerves and that this is typically town."

THIS IS RIDICULOUS. Since when is overexitement and nerves a symptom of being townie ??

PepperMintTea is Mafia!


I was asked the same question more than once and that is the general form.

On January 27 2016 09:17 nooniansoong wrote:


Why would townies be nervous?

On January 27 2016 13:08 _MexicanAlien wrote:
For PepperMintTea:
You said you think that Shapelog seemed "overexcited or nervous". If he was in fact town, why would he be nervous? He should be put off by accusations/scum observations. Also, what about being townie make him overexcited?
I can see how rolling mafia would make a noob overexcited or nervous.


Considering I read shapelog as town and these are the questions I was asked , my "rephrasing of the question" is in fact not interesting.

It appears you have not understood what I said and I apologise for that. Let me simplify things for you.

I don't know the exact reason behind ShapeLog being nervous or over excited. There could be many reasons, I gave a few. However I do think he came across as nervous or over excited, that is my opinion.

As a result of this it caused his haphazardous posting. In my opinion Haphazardous posting of that form typically comes from town.

hence my conclusion.

If you don't understand that then I feel sorry for you.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 16:26 GMT
#460
I will wait 10 more minutes for questions then I need to get back to work.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 16:38 GMT
#465
On January 28 2016 01:35 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 01:21 PepperMintTea wrote:

I was asked the same question more than once and that is the general form.

On January 27 2016 09:17 nooniansoong wrote:


Why would townies be nervous?

On January 27 2016 13:08 _MexicanAlien wrote:
For PepperMintTea:
You said you think that Shapelog seemed "overexcited or nervous". If he was in fact town, why would he be nervous? He should be put off by accusations/scum observations. Also, what about being townie make him overexcited?
I can see how rolling mafia would make a noob overexcited or nervous.


Considering I read shapelog as town and these are the questions I was asked , my "rephrasing of the question" is in fact not interesting.


It appears you have not understood what I said and I apologise for that. Let me simplify things for you.

I don't know the exact reason behind ShapeLog being nervous or over excited. There could be many reasons, I gave a few. However I do think he came across as nervous or over excited, that is my opinion.

As a result of this it caused his haphazardous posting. In my opinion Haphazardous posting of that form typically comes from town.

hence my conclusion.

If you don't understand that then I feel sorry for you.


Let the readers decide what is interesting.

Why did you exclude the most plausible reason for Shapelog's nervousness?
He is Mafia.

It's Occam's razor.
The best reason for the way he is acting is that he is Mafia.
And the most plausible reason for you excluding this very obvious solution is that you are Mafia too.

So-called "haphazardous" posting is a great way for Mafia to Spam out important points and make people lose focus.


People who say "Occam's razor" trying to be intelligent often achieve the opposite.

in my experience lots of haphazrdous posting is
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 16:38 GMT
#466
edit - typically town
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 20:18 GMT
#543
I have a couple of hours so going to catch up and give any useful thoughts

I posted questions for Onegu and JesusIncarnate, if you get the chance to answer I would really appreciate it.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 20:30 GMT
#547
On January 28 2016 02:26 Kuragari42 wrote:
@PMT Can I get more insight into your darthy read? I find his posts semi-suspicious yet you seem to highly town read him.


I gave a few things that led me to have him as town early.

Since then I have liked his interaction with Alar, his progression with that read has been similar to mine. starting off scummy and turning more town as the game has gone on.

He's being active and asking questions.

You referenced that he "changes his opinion for no reason" but I haven't found that to be the case , darth is my top town.





PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 20:40 GMT
#549
Trefl I would be interested to get your read/thoughts on Tumblewood
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 20:47 GMT
#552
On January 28 2016 05:38 Kuragari42 wrote:
@darth You changed on me, Alur, and Onegu. Imo it's not the substantial reads that matter the most, it's the slight reads.

You also agreed with/praised Eden without reading Onegu's filter. How were you supposed to know that Eden's read wasn't just an attempt to throw suspicion on an experienced player?

You used meta for your TR on Eden when you said it would be a smart move for mafia to start setting up meta shit.

Those combined with your alignment stressing are what made me find you somewhat suspicious.


Isn't changing a slight read more expected than changing a substantial one. clues in the name
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 20:48 GMT
#554
just to add on to the above, apologies

why is changing the read a bad thing? Can you give an example where he changed his opinion for no reason?

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 20:59 GMT
#556
@Tumblewood

I'm having a hard time following this train of thought

On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:

Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog


Trefl leans town and onegu is null

then

On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you?


I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.


So now trefl is neutral but Onegu is likely town

and then

On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.

First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog

Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)


Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.



TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me,


Onegu and Trefl are both scum.

I guess I have the hardest time understanding how you came to the conclusion about onegu. You thought he was towny early on based on the above. Then he made a good case about trefl. Yet despite that you have him as scum..alongside trefl.

From my perspective, you have people who you read town for doing less towny things , than onegu has done yet you scumread him.

it seems strange.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 21:26 GMT
#565
On January 28 2016 06:13 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 05:59 PepperMintTea wrote:
@Tumblewood

I'm having a hard time following this train of thought

On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:

Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog


Trefl leans town and onegu is null

then

On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:
On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you?


I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.


So now trefl is neutral but Onegu is likely town

and then

On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.

First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog

Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)


Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.



TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me,


Onegu and Trefl are both scum.

I guess I have the hardest time understanding how you came to the conclusion about onegu. You thought he was towny early on based on the above. Then he made a good case about trefl. Yet despite that you have him as scum..alongside trefl.

From my perspective, you have people who you read town for doing less towny things , than onegu has done yet you scumread him.

it seems strange.

It doesn't make sense to make a read on early D1 and then never change it. As information has come out, I've been getting more and more of a feel on people. By the first little tier post, Trfel had done nothing scummy and neither had Onegu. They even looked a little town for helping to get things started. Darthfoley and MexicanAlien appeared scummy to me for the first few pages, but their play has been solid since. The big turning point for me was when Onegu posted that giant stream-of-consciousness post. That was the only big thing he'd posted all game, and most of it lacked his own opinions. The only part where he said anything definitive himself was his read on Trfel (which I agree with, hence Trfel leaning scum in my mind). Onegu and Trfel both look like classic examples of players who are very active but not saying much. Onegu was also really confrontational toward accusations, which seemed odd to me.
Could you explain to me what you find town about Onegu's play?


I think it would help me out more if you could go into some more detail about your town reads and how you established them.

I'm still figuring out Onegu, pending his answer.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 21:34 GMT
#572
On January 28 2016 06:30 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892

Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.

There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though.


Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy?


On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.

And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.

Do you care to explain these discrepancies?



What are you talking about?

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?


@Onegu

I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell".
The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice.


On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.

Do you have any scumreads?

I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.



Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine.

On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much.


Bleh. Can be caused by being busy...


I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote.



When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less.

Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now.

I will agree your point on Tumble is good.


Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned

On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?


I am curious what these very good points are
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 21:58 GMT
#579
On January 28 2016 06:54 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 06:34 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 28 2016 06:30 Onegu wrote:
On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892

Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.

There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though.


Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy?


On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.

And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.

Do you care to explain these discrepancies?



What are you talking about?

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?


@Onegu

I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell".
The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice.


On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.

Do you have any scumreads?

I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.



Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine.

On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much.


Bleh. Can be caused by being busy...


I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote.



When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less.

Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now.

I will agree your point on Tumble is good.


Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned

On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?


I am curious what these very good points are



It was the whole stream of thoughts thing and you scum reading shape for it. I need to read your post on that.


right
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 22:03 GMT
#580
honestly onegu that is a really weak answer

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 22:27 GMT
#587
On January 28 2016 07:07 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 06:26 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 28 2016 06:13 Tumblewood wrote:
On January 28 2016 05:59 PepperMintTea wrote:
@Tumblewood

I'm having a hard time following this train of thought

On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:

Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog


Trefl leans town and onegu is null

then

On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:
On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you?


I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.


So now trefl is neutral but Onegu is likely town

and then

On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.

First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog

Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)


Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.



TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me,


Onegu and Trefl are both scum.

I guess I have the hardest time understanding how you came to the conclusion about onegu. You thought he was towny early on based on the above. Then he made a good case about trefl. Yet despite that you have him as scum..alongside trefl.

From my perspective, you have people who you read town for doing less towny things , than onegu has done yet you scumread him.

it seems strange.

It doesn't make sense to make a read on early D1 and then never change it. As information has come out, I've been getting more and more of a feel on people. By the first little tier post, Trfel had done nothing scummy and neither had Onegu. They even looked a little town for helping to get things started. Darthfoley and MexicanAlien appeared scummy to me for the first few pages, but their play has been solid since. The big turning point for me was when Onegu posted that giant stream-of-consciousness post. That was the only big thing he'd posted all game, and most of it lacked his own opinions. The only part where he said anything definitive himself was his read on Trfel (which I agree with, hence Trfel leaning scum in my mind). Onegu and Trfel both look like classic examples of players who are very active but not saying much. Onegu was also really confrontational toward accusations, which seemed odd to me.
Could you explain to me what you find town about Onegu's play?


I think it would help me out more if you could go into some more detail about your town reads and how you established them.

I'm still figuring out Onegu, pending his answer.

My main townreads are Eden1892 and Alur, with a side of darthfoley.
I townread Alur for being the most motivated to find scum. The first post I really liked was this:
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On January 27 2016 10:01 Alur wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).

What could be wifom and why is it wifom?
FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.


3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:

Why is it scummy to be casual?



Going forward:

Talk about other players.

On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Is anyone else here seeing a pattern?


Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed.

He already explained it I think.

Firstly #2 states: "The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!"

So yes, the mafia does know the setup.

MexicanAlien posted:
On January 27 2016 07:23 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Yes why talk about blue roles? This could possibly give the scum information. This may or may not help them but we shouldn't unwittingly give them any more


To me, this post suggests that MexicanAlien was not aware of the fact that mafia knows the setup. If he was mafia, he would know that mafia knew the setup. I think, it's WIFOM because it could be a gambit to make himself seem town.

Regarding being casual:
Not necessarily scummy, especially early on day 1. But when I look through his filter he seems too content on just making casual conversation (for my taste), but it's only as strong as any day 1 read can be, which is a caveat that I don't feel the need to post with my every read. I was also hoping for him to defend himself.

Regarding the pattern:
I don't think he explained it. He talks about a bunch of stuff after #235, but I can't tell if the observations he makes are different/unrelated to the pattern he claims to have seen in #235.

After my initial post, I saw this:
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On January 27 2016 23:26 Alur wrote:
One thing before I go afk.

I disagree with people townreading Kuragari, if you look at his filter (which is short, so this is easy to verify), notice how his posts are based on reading into if people have referenced their alignment. Which is not terrible in and of itself, but it was something that Tumblewood introduced originally.

It seems improbable, that a town player who reads up on the entire thread, ends up not really giving any meaningful original reads or opinions, and just piggybacks on Tumblewoods "allignment refence" tool.

On that note, I'll be back this evening.

which reaffirms Alur as town. He's the only one I see in this game making a concerted effort to find scum, besides my other two townreads. I'll be gone for about an hour, stay tuned for my explanation on Eden and darthfoley as town.


Ok can you go through the big post by Onegu and tell me what it is you don't like about it, specifically the lack of opinions

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 27 2016 23:08 GMT
#594
Sorry got called away urgently.

Tomorrow I'm going to vote one of four people.

JesusIncarnate, Onegu, Tumblewood, Trfel

I'm too tired to reason it out tonight, but tomorrow morning before work I will explain

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 08:26 GMT
#716
Hello I need to catch up then determine who I want to lynch tonight.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 09:18 GMT
#723
At this point I am fairly happy with these people in my town house. Darth,Shapelog,MexicanAlien,Alur,Eden.

Then I have nooniansong who honestly I haven't tried to read so far. I was aware that I may not be objective trying to read him as they were pushing me. Either way unlikely to get lynched and I have no reason to so just going to ignore that today.

Yesterday I listed who I would potentially lynch but I want to refine that list somewhat and give some more detailed reasoning.

Onegu - I mentioned early on that I was wary reading Onegu one way or the other. What struck out to me was an inconsistency on his read of me and the follow up. The relevant posts are given here.

+ Show Spoiler +


On January 28 2016 06:34 PepperMintTea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 06:30 Onegu wrote:
On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892

Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.

There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though.


Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy?


On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.

And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.

Do you care to explain these discrepancies?



What are you talking about?

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?


@Onegu

I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell".
The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice.


On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.

Do you have any scumreads?

I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.



Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine.

On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much.


Bleh. Can be caused by being busy...


I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote.



When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less.

Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now.

I will agree your point on Tumble is good.


Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned

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On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?


I am curious what these very good points are


On January 28 2016 06:54 Onegu wrote:

It was the whole stream of thoughts thing and you scum reading shape for it. I need to read your post on that.




Essentially he calls me "scummy as hell" based on the points raised by nooniansong but actually noon only raised one , pretty weak , point that Onegu agreed with.
Onegu also didn't read correctly, I had Shapelog as town and he said I was calling Shapelog scummy.

I want to read him one more time and see cases against him but ... i'd be ok lynching him at this point.


Tumblewood - I typically don't like early list posts the main thing is the Onegu read switch he came up with and how it came about. Essentially I find it hard to understand that he saw onegu do some towny stuff early, and make a good case but calls him scum. ..perhaps just sheeping thread opinion.
When you compare it to people he calls town and the reasons he gave there...

@Tumblewood - Can you explain what it is you didn't like about Onegu's big post, give some examples.

I need to read over his responses and I am aware that it is tempting to lynch someone you "caught out" just to seem clever... but at this point I would lynch Tumblewood,

Trefl - I liked Eden's catch about his flip flop on Tumble ... but I have nothing by myself and again I want to read things more carefully...I probably wouldn't lynch trefl though over anyone else in this list

The rest of the pack are basically inactives who I would happily lynch

JesusIncarnate - Superficial list posts early on with surface reads. No explanations or follow up. Woefully inactive
LYNCH

Kuragari - Inactive, got himself into a horrible mess trying to pressure darth which was just terrible. Felt like "talking just to talk"
Hasn't done anything else so would lynch

Iki - inactive for ever, then big list post. Seems to contain a lot of backdoors as pointed out by eden, played the newbie card. would Lynch.

I'm going to go over this at lunch, reading tumble and onegu and will give updates then

If you feel strongly about any of these or have further cases I would like to read them.

I have about 15 mins for questions.







PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 09:27 GMT
#726
On January 28 2016 18:22 Trfel wrote:
Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative?

Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood?

And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice.


If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline.

He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up.

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 09:35 GMT
#730
On January 28 2016 18:30 Trfel wrote:
I mean, right now he's probably sleeping. But that aside, look at the effort he put into his first analysis post on Shapelog. Detailed, clear explanation. Since then, his reasoning hasn't been so detailed and has felt a bit shallow to me. I'm not paying any attention to his recent inactivity at all.

The problem with talking now is that if he actually is mafia and getting complacent, he'll probably snap out of it, making it harder to conclusively read him as scum.

It's pointless to say that someone's town read is stupid unless you think that the person is actually suspicious. It simply doesn't accomplish anything. The way that Alur's read on Kuragami42 changes from talking down other people's townreads to his strongest scumread for the same reasons throughout feels unnatural and reactive.

I'm not sure about Alur, which is why I'm looking for people's thoughts. Thanks for sharing Recent inactivity aside, do you agree with what I'm getting at, or am I just being dumb?


If you read Alur carefully he starts with questioning the townreads and then after more posts from Kuragami he scumreads him stronger, I didn't like the posts by Kura either so I can understand that.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 09:36 GMT
#731
On January 28 2016 18:33 _MexicanAlien wrote:
PepperMintTea,
I would value your opinions and thoughts on the case I present in posts #711 and #712. Namely,

Eden1892 vs. Ikidamari ----> Eden1892 + Ikidamari


sorry I can't respond intelligently
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 09:40 GMT
#733
On January 28 2016 18:34 Trfel wrote:
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On January 28 2016 18:27 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 28 2016 18:22 Trfel wrote:
Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative?

Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood?

And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice.


If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline.

He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up.

Hm, I don't really get what you're trying to say here. If I may?

If it were just Tumblewood's first and third post that I quoted, it would be fine. However, in the second post, he says that Shapelog is scum because his early posts were just that bad. He doesn't seem to consider the more recent posts as important at all, which is very contrary to his perspective in the third post. This makes me feel that he's more interested in telling people what they want to hear than what he actually thinks. Do you mind explaining where you disagree one more time?


I feel the timestamps are important in your quoted posts.

He makes a read on shapelog based on initial posts, the follow up is about 2 hours later , makes sense that he still has the same posts in his mind and responds the same way.

Then it's about 8 hours until the next time he answers, he bring up the original points and then adds in the newer posts than reinforces the read.

I can follow that train of thought.

I'm going to read over tumble more carefully at lunch because I think I might be wrong.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 09:42 GMT
#734
Got to get to work, this game is rather addicting.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 10:00 GMT
#739
On January 28 2016 18:45 Trfel wrote:
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On January 28 2016 18:40 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 28 2016 18:34 Trfel wrote:
On January 28 2016 18:27 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 28 2016 18:22 Trfel wrote:
Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative?

Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood?

And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice.


If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline.

He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up.

Hm, I don't really get what you're trying to say here. If I may?

If it were just Tumblewood's first and third post that I quoted, it would be fine. However, in the second post, he says that Shapelog is scum because his early posts were just that bad. He doesn't seem to consider the more recent posts as important at all, which is very contrary to his perspective in the third post. This makes me feel that he's more interested in telling people what they want to hear than what he actually thinks. Do you mind explaining where you disagree one more time?


I feel the timestamps are important in your quoted posts.

He makes a read on shapelog based on initial posts, the follow up is about 2 hours later , makes sense that he still has the same posts in his mind and responds the same way.

Then it's about 8 hours until the next time he answers, he bring up the original points and then adds in the newer posts than reinforces the read.

I can follow that train of thought.

I'm going to read over tumble more carefully at lunch because I think I might be wrong.
Date change..... like 13 hours in between the first two posts.

Anyway, I could be wrong about Tumblewood too, but right now I don't see it. I'd also like to bring up that he read my case on him, but didn't respond, and then voted on the leading wagon while yet again matching his reads with the thread sentiment. I really wish that he would interact with me more so that I could either confirm my read or realize that I'm wrong.

But I'm not really thinking that I'm wrong right now.


Sorry my mistake with the time, I thought it was 12 hour clock not 24.

It seems that in the third post you quoted, the additional points that Tumblewood brought up occured before he made the 2nd post and were available to reference then so that could be odd. He may have just gone back over Shapelog's filter and found more things he didn't like. Fairly interesting
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 10:04 GMT
#741
On January 28 2016 19:00 PepperMintTea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 18:45 Trfel wrote:
On January 28 2016 18:40 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 28 2016 18:34 Trfel wrote:
On January 28 2016 18:27 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 28 2016 18:22 Trfel wrote:
Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative?

Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood?

And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice.


If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline.

He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up.

Hm, I don't really get what you're trying to say here. If I may?

If it were just Tumblewood's first and third post that I quoted, it would be fine. However, in the second post, he says that Shapelog is scum because his early posts were just that bad. He doesn't seem to consider the more recent posts as important at all, which is very contrary to his perspective in the third post. This makes me feel that he's more interested in telling people what they want to hear than what he actually thinks. Do you mind explaining where you disagree one more time?


I feel the timestamps are important in your quoted posts.

He makes a read on shapelog based on initial posts, the follow up is about 2 hours later , makes sense that he still has the same posts in his mind and responds the same way.

Then it's about 8 hours until the next time he answers, he bring up the original points and then adds in the newer posts than reinforces the read.

I can follow that train of thought.

I'm going to read over tumble more carefully at lunch because I think I might be wrong.
Date change..... like 13 hours in between the first two posts.

Anyway, I could be wrong about Tumblewood too, but right now I don't see it. I'd also like to bring up that he read my case on him, but didn't respond, and then voted on the leading wagon while yet again matching his reads with the thread sentiment. I really wish that he would interact with me more so that I could either confirm my read or realize that I'm wrong.

But I'm not really thinking that I'm wrong right now.


Sorry my mistake with the time, I thought it was 12 hour clock not 24.

It seems that in the third post you quoted, the additional points that Tumblewood brought up occured before he made the 2nd post and were available to reference then so that could be odd. He may have just gone back over Shapelog's filter and found more things he didn't like. Fairly interesting


Edit - but then again probably not interesting as the second post you quoted, he is respond directly about the townreads being given to shapelog, rather than his posts.

and when he quotes shapelog in the third post, those quotes all took place after his first scum read of shapelog, so no I don't see anything there.

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 14:20 GMT
#758
having lunch, be here for an hour

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 14:31 GMT
#760
Decided I don't want to lynch ikodomari or trefl

Leaves me

Onegu, Tumblewood, JesusIncarnate or Kuragari


Onegu has really done nothing since Eden made his case, just confirmed what he was talking about with Shapelog and then replied weakly to my question. I'm not sure I could gather the votes to get this through

JesusIncarnate and Kuragari just haven't engaged the game at all.

Tumblewood has engaged a little bit but I he has questions outstanding he needs to answer

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 14:34 GMT
#761
you know i'm going to go with this for now and see what happens

## Vote Kuragari42

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 14:36 GMT
#762
actually this is more interesting

## Unvote

## Vote Onegu
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 15:22 GMT
#773
On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote:
Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know.
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post).

I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers.


On January 29 2016 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:
Just woke up... I have about ten minutes, maybe twenty to answer questions


The best thing the two of you can do is convince us you are town rather than just sitting there waiting to answer questions.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 18:11 GMT
#868
##Unvote

## Vote Kuragari42
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 18:56 GMT
#883
Kura, Jesus or Tumblewood, happy with any of those

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 19:04 GMT
#888
On January 29 2016 03:59 Alur wrote:
While I read up on the Tumblewood case.

Why wouldn't you be happy with Ikidomari?


I'm trying to consolidate and I think the other targets are better

With Ikidomari i'm still unsure but he says it's his first game and from his posts it seems to me like a new guy who knows he has messed up but wants to put his own ideas out there.
Plus he hasn't really had a chance to play so I want to see what he comes up with later on.

I think that the cases on the other 3 are stronger and we shouldn't be spread over 4 people.



PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 28 2016 19:06 GMT
#892
Kura or tumblewood, decided not to lynch Jesus

let's get it down to two.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 29 2016 08:59 GMT
#1106
I don't have anything to say until day starts so just going to read and then get to work.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 30 2016 11:04 GMT
#1350
##Vote JesusIncarnate
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 30 2016 17:49 GMT
#1366
On January 31 2016 02:48 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 02:43 Trfel wrote:
On January 31 2016 02:42 Shapelog wrote:
On January 30 2016 20:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##Vote JesusIncarnate

I literately just checked your filter to see if you did anything after this post. You didn't, you still have yet to explain anything and now you hope on (at the time of this post) the person with the most votes.

I am pretty sure you are scum at this point.
Nooooo bad Shapelog.

Wait and see what PepperMintTea does next un-prompted

Would you rather me pressure her instead? Like she has also said that she post/do shit today at EOD to get out of talking about why she voted Kura. And now the first thing she does is vote the person with 2 votes on them.

I am not going to wait for someone to post at this point.


you seem a little upset so i'm going to post in a little bit once you have finished having a tantrum.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 30 2016 19:59 GMT
#1377
Jesus is confirmed mafia based on his filter at this point.

Don't have anything else to discuss.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 30 2016 22:44 GMT
#1412
On January 31 2016 07:13 Trfel wrote:
PepperMintTea, I'm having trouble figuring out this game and would really like some help with solving the game. You seem to be a lot more certain than I am.

PepperMintTea, can you please explain how you approached the Day 1 lynch, and why you are so certain of JesusIncarnate being mafia?


I have to go back in my memory a little bit but from what I recall.

I had 4 people I was considering for a lynch, then after a sleep and another read through I added Kuragari , his filter was pretty bad.
I think his terrible push on darth and then nothing else made him scummy to me.
So I thought he was likely mafia and voted him.

I decided that voting for the scummy guy that everyone thought was scummy was pretty boring so I switched to Onegu who I thought was scummy. Then it turned out he was at hospital so switched back to Kura.

Iko I explained why I didn't want to to lynch and Tumblewood was still scummy but I thought Kura was more scummy.

The reason I didn't vote for jesus was because I thought he was going to turn out to be a role or at least that is how I read his blatant lack of investment. iko didn't post but when he finally started playing it was apologetic.
Jesus by contrast was arrogant and he read like a role that didn't want to get townread to hard. I felt that if he was pushed then he would claim a role and I didn't want to get involved in that.

Now we are well into day 2, Jesus did not post his promised information and hasn't actually contributed anything at all. The roles have been claimed and therefore Jesus has no excuse for his play other than being mafia.

I can work out the other mafia the next day but for now Jesus is the lynch and other suggestions are ridiculous.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 30 2016 22:50 GMT
#1415
On January 31 2016 07:49 Trfel wrote:
I guess that makes sense. Thank you for answering my question.

What if JesusIncarnate has a real life excuse to not play? That he can't post about because of said real life circumstances? Why isn't this a possible explanation?


it is possible but he's probably mafia.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 31 2016 18:36 GMT
#1501
##Unvote

He's getting modkilled so not much point

i'm between iki and tumble
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 31 2016 18:40 GMT
#1504
iki's filter looks worse and he hasn't repaid the pass he was given D1.



## Vote Ikidomari

I've had an insanely busy weekend and haven't been involved in this day phase at all.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 31 2016 21:12 GMT
#1549
wow you are actually replacing people this late into a game....

ok
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 31 2016 21:52 GMT
#1562
I don't really understand how we can have someone enter the game two days late.

I'm just going to lynch Jesus/scott tomorrow
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
January 31 2016 22:03 GMT
#1567
On February 01 2016 07:00 Trfel wrote:
Just please, please, give scott31337 a chance to be read one way or another. Not doing so is really stupid.


Here's what happens

He has no knowledge of the game so far

He isn't going to go through 70 pages in a detailed manner so he will skim read and come up with something not particularly useful. Just some basic surface stuff.

He will still be a massive question mark

Jesus was scummy and decided not to play. Scott won't remove that for me so I am lynching him regardless

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 01 2016 21:04 GMT
#1804
##vote scott31337

see you wednesday
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 01 2016 21:43 GMT
#1819
On February 02 2016 06:29 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 06:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##vote scott31337

see you wednesday


Why are you so content with doing absolutely nothing?


i'm voting mafia

nothing is what you're doing
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 01 2016 22:08 GMT
#1827
On February 02 2016 06:48 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 06:43 PepperMintTea wrote:
On February 02 2016 06:29 darthfoley wrote:
On February 02 2016 06:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##vote scott31337

see you wednesday


Why are you so content with doing absolutely nothing?


i'm voting mafia

nothing is what you're doing


wow such sick one liners! It's actually amazing how bad your filter has become tbh. Page 1/2 compared to 3/4 are like two different players.


k
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 03 2016 19:31 GMT
#2027
##unvote

##vote Tumblewood
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 03 2016 19:32 GMT
#2032
##unvote

##vote scott31337
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 03 2016 19:34 GMT
#2038
On February 04 2016 04:33 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 04:32 PepperMintTea wrote:
##unvote

##vote scott31337

ROFL hahaha. Wow ok Wow, you are just so special aren't you?


that's really rude
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 03 2016 19:35 GMT
#2039
On February 04 2016 04:31 PepperMintTea wrote:
##unvote

##vote Tumblewood

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 03 2016 19:35 GMT
#2040
##unvote

##vote Tumblewood

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 03 2016 19:36 GMT
#2042
On February 04 2016 04:35 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 04:34 PepperMintTea wrote:
On February 04 2016 04:33 Shapelog wrote:
On February 04 2016 04:32 PepperMintTea wrote:
##unvote

##vote scott31337

ROFL hahaha. Wow ok Wow, you are just so special aren't you?


that's really rude

Sorry did not mean to be rude. Just it is funny how quickly you changed your vote.

Sorry did not mean to be rude


i acknowledge your apology but it doesn't make it ok what you did
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 03 2016 19:49 GMT
#2053
On February 04 2016 04:44 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 04:35 PepperMintTea wrote:
##unvote

##vote Tumblewood



Can you give some thoughts on the game?


not really, i got back from work and now i'm going out for a 5k
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 03 2016 21:02 GMT
#2063
nice

PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 03 2016 21:17 GMT
#2077
I'm going to vote noon tomorrow.

I'll either win the game that day or if you lynch me then you can lynch noon the day after and win a little later.
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 04 2016 21:29 GMT
#2121
##vote nooniansong
PepperMintTea
Profile Joined November 2015
187 Posts
February 06 2016 21:33 GMT
#2299
Oh thought the game would be over. Don't know who the last mafia is but I have a good test
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