EPTNewbie Student Mafia XIX
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Kuragari42
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Kuragari42
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On January 23 2016 00:19 nooniansoong wrote: 1. PepperMintTea-newb 2. Tumblewood-smurf 3. JesusIncarnate-smurf 4. Alur-newb 5. Kuragari42-smurf 6. darthfoley -newb 7. Ikidomari -newb 8. _MexicanAlien -smurf I am not a smurf. I only have played two games on a different site. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 27 2016 12:48 Trfel wrote: Kuragari42, what about darthfoley's posts stand out as scummy? Also, what do you think about Shapelog overall, given that he's made multiple references to himself being town? As I was reading darthfoley's posts in question, I thought to myself that they seemed to needlessly reference his affiliation and that VoT did the same thing in my last game as mafia. Not sure why Shape's didn't until I read TW's mention. Maybe I just skimmed over them, idk, I'm pretty tired. Shapelog seems like a sort of troll player to me and since I have no grasp of his meta, it is hard for me to think much of him as of yet. Is this troll behavior normal for him? | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 27 2016 13:02 Trfel wrote: I don't know much about Shapelog, however I don't see him as a "troll player" like most players have expressed. I'm a little confused by your statements: "Not sure why Shape's didn't [stand out as scummy] until I read TW's mention" "it is hard for me to think much of him as of yet" Am I interpreting these statements correctly? And if so, can you explain what you mean? I am unsure how you are confused. Maybe it would help if you explained what you are interpreting them as? I meant that, thinking back on it, I didn't know why darth's posts stood out as scum and Shape's did not considering they did the exact same thing. I have not been able to establish a worthwhile read on Shape due to his behavior and my lack of meta knowledge. | ||
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On January 28 2016 02:19 darthfoley wrote: Oh, I forgot to include: I actually did like Alur's point on Kuragari. I want to see more from Kuragari before EoD because his filter is very weak right now. My scum leans are not listed in order What point was that? | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 28 2016 02:35 darthfoley wrote: Here, i'll help you Kuragari, because you've apparently forgot about the useful filter button you are so happy to have  Ah, thanks. I was merely pointing out something that had apparently been overlooked, I was not trying to be original or even give an opinion. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 28 2016 02:37 darthfoley wrote: May I ask why you find my posts semi-suspicious? Why do you describe them as "semi-suspicious"? Your opinions seem to change often without any actual reason. Being kicked off by a teach, I will go more in-depth later. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 28 2016 04:56 darthfoley wrote: I've read through Alur's filter and i'm taking him off my scum list. I've liked his line of questioning/analysis of Kuragari and Trfel today, much moreso than his scum read on Shapelog last night. In terms of mafia reads: I still scum read Tumblewood, and after reading Alur's argument about Kuragari (and looking at his filter), I scum read him too. Kuragari hasn't provided anything original the entire game, besides saying that I "seem to change my opinions a lot" which is pretty much false. The only substantial read I have changed on is Alur... which I have explained. Kuragari also hasn't posted any reads besides that shallow one on me at the beginning, in which he admits his selective logic is shitty. Think he could be trying to stay on the radar by not throwing out anyone's names. My mention of you was not supposed to be a read. I don't post reads until late DP1 (at the earliest), that is my nindo. | ||
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Kuragari42
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You also agreed with/praised Eden without reading Onegu's filter. How were you supposed to know that Eden's read wasn't just an attempt to throw suspicion on an experienced player? You used meta for your TR on Eden when you said it would be a smart move for mafia to start setting up meta shit. Those combined with your alignment stressing are what made me find you somewhat suspicious. | ||
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On January 28 2016 07:15 nooniansoong wrote: Dunno about onegu. Next level scumread on alur. Don't ask for reasons. Dunno about not. Sheanout  . "Reads without reasons are useless." | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 28 2016 07:19 nooniansoong wrote: I agree. Only reason I said it is if I'm I right I can brag about being right d1 I feel ya, lol. Still would be nice to have reasons. | ||
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Kuragari42
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You did read Eden for meta originally. There was no mention as far as I saw other than the meta read of why you town read him. My phone is about to die so peace out until tomorrow. Left off at post #627. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 28 2016 13:22 darthfoley wrote: Okay Shapelog is now town, which is convenient, given that he hasn't provided any reason why his opinion changed (besides perhaps, the town consensus). But, the rest of his reads are the same, i.e. Onegu is the most scummy for him. But then he directly contradicts himself and comes off as wishy-washy regarding the Onegu lynch wagon, saying that the people voting him are shocking: (Trfel, Eden, Noon, Shapelog). This is pretty terrible. I think JesusIncarnate is mafia Now this post is pretty old and might have already been discussed but I don't want to continue reading and forget about it. Other than the point about Jesus town reading Shape, this post seems to be pretty well thought out (I have not confirmed the posts yet, probably will later if further posts reveal nothing). Now do one of these for each player, lol. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 28 2016 15:38 Ikidomari wrote: Here's my last point in defense for now. If I was mafia, I'm most afraid of Eden and Darth, and people in the thread know that. If I survive being lynched today, who dies in the night will pretty much confirm whether or not I'm mafia / town, and I'm an easy vote for day 2. But.. I think that any mafia would consider NK'ing Eden, probably Darth as well. This really has little indication of your alignment. Not to mention that the doc in this game might change up the NK a bit. | ||
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On January 28 2016 18:33 _MexicanAlien wrote: PepperMintTea, I would value your opinions and thoughts on the case I present in posts #711 and #712. Namely, Eden1892 vs. Ikidamari ----> Eden1892 + Ikidamari I am inclined to agree with you about it looking bad on Eden. He jumped pretty freely from one person to another especially since, as an experienced player, he should know not to let "the feels" affect his vote. | ||
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On January 28 2016 18:42 PepperMintTea wrote: Got to get to work, this game is rather addicting. Damn straight. | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:55 Alur wrote: Rofl. What doc? How can you be sure this is setup A) or C)? Goof on my part. I just remember someone saying something about NK's being weird due to a doc. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 29 2016 01:01 Alur wrote: Yeah that's what I was insinuating. Another explanation is him making the slip as doc, but I'd think that's a lot less likely to happen than a scumslip. And even if both doctors and mafia are equally likely to make that slip its a 75% chance of being mafia (assuming this is not a townie who's extremely ignorant of the rules). The fact that he's already being scumread doesn't help either. 50/50 = 75/25 I enjoy that logic. No clue what rule you could be referencing. | ||
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On January 29 2016 01:38 darthfoley wrote: This is so god damn bad. Either you're doc and you just outed yourself, or you're mafia and let slip that we're playing either A or C. There's a 3/13 chance your mafia, there's a 1/13 chance you're doc. And you're scummy as hell ##Unvote ##Vote: Kuragari Oh, I see where Alur got the higher mafia chance. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 29 2016 01:41 Alur wrote: That's not what I meant. My point is simply that I would expect a town player who's under a large amount of scrutiny to not talk about terms, which is 100% filler talk if the term is easily googleable. I remember newbscum Darth talking about googleable terms in his first game. It's not something to scumread a person on exclusively, but it's something I took note of. I was not able to find NAI on google, just saying. | ||
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No clue who it was, and pretty early on. | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:21 darthfoley wrote: "Even if both doc/mafia are equally likely to make the slip" = each of the 4 people are equally likely to make a slip there are 3 mafia + 1 doc = 4 people. 3/4 of those people are mafia; therefore, it is a 75% chance of lynching mafia IF you believe, like Alur and I do, that you slipped... especially when we have been scum reading you Yeah, my bad. Still no clue about the rule. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 29 2016 02:50 Alur wrote: The rule we're referencing is the rule about how the game is played on 1 out of 4 possible setups. Explained here by the host: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502408-newbie-student-mafia-xix#2 Oh, didn't know that qualified as a rule. I was aware of it but Crap, teach tapping my shoulder.. | ||
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On January 29 2016 02:59 Kuragari42 wrote: Oh, didn't know that qualified as a rule. I was aware of it but my mind didn't remind me of the fact that there were not doctor's in all the options while I was typing out that post. Finished my post from earlier. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 29 2016 04:02 nooniansoong wrote: Braglist version 1.1 2. Tumblewood 3. JesusIncarnate 4. Alur 7. Ikidomari 9. Trfel 10. Onegu 11. _MexicanAlien You figured out that there are atleast 7 players in the game. Bravo. | ||
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Slight Town: PeppermintTea - While I am not in complete agreement with everything they have said/done, I have gotten a pretty steady townie vibe from them. Trofl - While originally his questions bothered me and made me lean slightly scum, I now see that each of them had a point. Shapelog - His reads/refutations are sort of out-of-the-box yet still have sense and I am in agreement with a lot of his logic. darthfoley - I was suspicious of his early game but I did not scum-read him, I just wasn't content with the strong town-reads on him. Quite a few of his posts mid-game were pretty good. I'd say if this list was ordered he would be pretty low TR. Slight Scum: Eden - His posts are not aligned with how I expect a experienced town player to post. Pretty low SR. Tumblewood - Several of this guy's posts make little sense to me but the people that were attacking/defending (and the way they were doing it) him make him a low SR. | ||
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Slight Scum: Ikidomari - His posts seem contorted and I tend to find lynch begging a scum (or at the very least anti-town) thing to do. This also fits in with my slight scum read on Eden if Shape's recent lines of post are correct. Town Lean: Mexican, noon, Onegu. Scum Lean: Alur. I honestly have no clue: Jesus. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 29 2016 04:37 nooniansoong wrote: So he's not as scummy because scummy people were attacking him? But if I recall it was mainly trfel who you have as a townread... and eden was defending him who you have as a scumread. So that makes no sense. Attacks and Defends are not necessary Mafia and Town. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 29 2016 04:39 _MexicanAlien wrote: So what you're saying is, you thought all of your TRs were suspicious but now they're not. And your SR logic doesn't make sense (to me). Seems like you are not committing. Unless you have another post yet to come. I find almost everyone suspicious. Also, I did not say that for Shape/PMT. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:03 _MexicanAlien wrote: OK Kuragari. Roleclaim in bold please. Quickly. Now I did. I am vanilla town. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:04 darthfoley wrote: Okay, so... You were suspicious of me early game for valid reasons, but you did not scum read me. Quite a few of my posts mid-game were pretty good, but if you ordered your list, I would be a low TR Pretty much sums it up. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:14 Alur wrote: If that guy flips town, there's no probably about it, it just can't a scum slip at that point. Or do you mean something else? It's a little unclear what the (probably) refers to. It's odd that I'm his biggest scumread, but he has 0 words to go along with it. Especially when he's on the verge of death. You aren't my biggest scum-read. My leans are just the category they are leaning out of null into. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:18 Alur wrote: Surprised you wouldn't vote for Jesus, since it seems like the most viable strategy for you to not get lynched. Since he's your primary competition, lynchwise. A townie lynch v. a townie lynch.. Jesus claims that he is some super-mafia-guru so I figure out of the two of us, town would benefit more from him being alive. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:22 Eden1892 wrote: Sigh don't tell him this I was looking forward to using this data point without him being conscious of t and changing his behavior Lol, I doubt you could have gotten the wagon to switch onto him. | ||
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Kuragari42
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On January 29 2016 05:30 Eden1892 wrote: Hold up you just said Jesus was a complete unknown to you. Now you're saying he's town? And not just that but that because he says he's good at mafia (with zero display of that in game to back it up), you would rather die yourself than lynch him even though you're confirmed town to yourself??? As a null, I choose to use innocent until proven guilty for him. Have I given proof that I am a good mafia player? lol I'd rather let him prove himself than for me to continue on this same track. I am not confirmed town to everyone else so it doesn't really matter. Besides, this is a team game, it doesn't effect me if I die. | ||
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On January 29 2016 05:41 Eden1892 wrote: The presumption of innocence in a court of law is to prevent government overreach and abuse of power. No such analogue exists in mafia. We operate on probabilities and are solely guided by the truth -- we have no ulterior motivations to punish people for its own sake. There is no reason to presume innocence by default in this game. Citing that phrase is tantamount to handwaving needing a reason to call someone town. Probability: I gave 3 scum reads. Probability is town in his favor. | ||
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