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On January 28 2016 05:56 darthfoley wrote: Okay either you're not reading the thread or you're scum. I didn't change my opinion on you lol. Mixed feelings = null read Alur read i've already explained why I have changed my mind. I literally haven't changed my mind on Onegu at all. I TR him early and he's still on my town lean pile. As I have already explained, I DID NOT town read Eden for his Onegu case. I TR him because of his Shapelog analysis + other reads. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2016 01:55 darthfoley wrote: 1. I said Onegu read town to me at the time, because when I posted that, he hadn't posted much, but it seemed focused on not talking about pointless bullshit. 2. Surely if I thought Onegu was town, I would discuss it with Eden, which is specifically why I posted: I addressed this very point. It was 2AM and Eden was going to bed soon, so I wanted to wait to address it today. 3. I townread Eden more for his town read of Shapelog rather than his scum read of Onegu. 4. If you had actually read my filter thoroughly, the three previous points would be rather straightforward. I wasn't flip-floppy. I agree that it's WIFOM to talk about your entry post, but I don't have much of a reason to TR you right now. So yea, your post is almost 93% bullshit and I'm getting closer and closer to voting for you. At least you've been more active than Tumblewood Still waiting for Kuragari to respond to this. | ||
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On January 28 2016 03:39 _MexicanAlien wrote: 1. Shapelog 2. PepperMintTea 3. Onegu Curious whether your mafia reads have changed at all since posting? Pepperminttea is in my town pile right now-- how confident are you in this list? I'm surprised that both Shapelog and MexicanAlien have been inactive the past 5-6 hours. Especially given the burst in activity from both in the first day of D1. | ||
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On January 28 2016 09:32 Shapelog wrote: I am here, Just got on. I found a dog in a trash can near my college and been running around seeing where it can receive help (it had a dislocated shoulder) I am going to catch up. I see that Alur has questions so I will look at them. If this is the case, I take back my previous statement lol. Interested in seeing your filter reads you talked about earlier | ||
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On January 28 2016 09:31 Trfel wrote: Tumblewood Tumblewood's first post here shows that he is scumreading Shapelog, and he says that this is because Shapelog made two posts where he said that he isn't scum. Tumblewood's argument is that because a townie wouldn't do this, then Shapelog is mafia. He also said that he had a scum lean of darthfoley because of two posts where darthfoley says that he is town, and adds that darthfoley has weird wording in a sentence (the explanation of the darthfoley read is here, where he says that this is the explanation for the scum lean he mentioned previously). Why is Shapelog a stronger scumread than darthfoley? He didn't mention anything else about their play other than these comments, which is weird. Also note that Shapelog was the top suspect at this time. Tumbleweed returned later and posted this post with new reads. He says that he's suspicious of Onegu, Shapelog, and Trfel. He also ends up with a null read on darthfoley, saying that he hasn't done anything to give him a read. This is really strange, because he described a scum lean on darthfoley previously, for the only reasoning that he's shared about Shapelog, who is still his scum read. There are lots of things I don't like about this post, I won't go into all of them, but it really gives the impression of trying to fit in. He later says that darthfoley's play has been solid lately, which doesn't match with his earlier statement that darthfoley hadn't done much to be read on. In addition to these read issues, Tumbleweed feels like he's responding to questions and thread sentiment, instead of actually wanting to solve the game. Tumblewood explained his read on Shapelog at my request, you can see this explanation here. Here, he describes why he's continuing to scumread Shapelog. However, you can see that all of the posts he quoted are between his first and second longer posts. Note that in the first post, he discounted Shapelog's "strange" play as non alignment indicative, and in the second, he said that Shapelog was scummy because of his extremely scummy play early on (pre page 16). However, the posts that Tumblewood mentions were all after page 16. This explanation isn't possible. Logically, Tumblewood cannot be scum. It's possible that he's town and messed up somehow, but given his filter as a whole, I think that he is scum. I really like this analysis. Tumblewood doesn't have any read for more than like 30 minutes | ||
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On January 28 2016 11:13 Ikidomari wrote: As I said, I got very little sleep for a long time, and was very busy. I'm here now, I'm fresh, and I'm going to re-read the whole thread. Expect me to post my reads within 2-3 hours Hi. Eager to see your thoughts on the game so far. | ||
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1. He talks about how Alur and Tumblewood's reads are similar to his+ Show Spoiler + i also like alur, there reads are pretty similar to mine. tumblewood has kind of similar reads to mine + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2016 22:17 JesusIncarnate wrote: sick meme sick meme x2 (epic sig btw) anyway. darthfoley is kind of chill, def town for me right now. There posts are quite reactionary. Trifel also a bit towny in my books. shit post; town post. Onegu, scummy to me. Posting long essays mean nothing to me. lol people like eden are falling for the simple mafia strat for noobs "I will act stupid and hope people townread me" however i dont agree with their final post in their large manifesto. #368 Shape, scum or not, probably had someone scumreading them, but not anymore. I think the scum took not of the changing reads on shape and quickly either laid off or just changed their reads. okay so to sum this all up. I dont like onegu or shape. folley seems town. Eden is up in the air for me. trfel seems pretty town to me. other people i honestly dont care about. Alur's reads at the time Jesus made this post: 1) Shapelog = most scummy 2) Slight town read on MexicanAlien 3) Slight scum read on darthfoley Tumblewood's reads at the time Jesus makes this post: Town: (none yet) Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien Scum: Shapelog JesusIncarnate's reads at the time he made his post: Town: darthfoley, Trfel scum: Onegu, Shapelog Null: Eden Okay, so 1. He agrees with both on the Shapelog scum read (which was by far the "safest" scum read at that time from a mafia perspective) 2. He disagrees with both on darthfoley... anyway. darthfoley is kind of chill, def town for me right now. There posts are quite reactionary. ... Isn't reactionary generally used to describe scum play?3. He agrees with Alur's town read on MexicanAlien; disagrees with Tumblewood's scum read of MexicanAlien 4. Alur barely mentions Onegu, but when he does it seems like it's a slight town read. Tumblewood classifies Onegu as null. JesusIncarnate disagrees with both of them, claiming that he finds Onegu scummy. Now: does this seem like someone who has similar reads to Alur and Tumblewood? Doesn't look like it to me. In fact, it looks scummier the more I look at it. Let's not forget this gem later on: On January 28 2016 04:02 JesusIncarnate wrote: @Tumblewood Shapelog is leaning more town now, but im not outright town-reading them. Other than that its the same. I do not feel confident in lynching Onegu however, the people on the vote are particularly shocking. I'll prob do filter posts when i have more time, as right now i can only read thread and type shit. Okay Shapelog is now town, which is convenient, given that he hasn't provided any reason why his opinion changed (besides perhaps, the town consensus). But, the rest of his reads are the same, i.e. Onegu is the most scummy for him. But then he directly contradicts himself and comes off as wishy-washy regarding the Onegu lynch wagon, saying that the people voting him are shocking: (Trfel, Eden, Noon, Shapelog). This is pretty terrible. I think JesusIncarnate is mafia | ||
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On January 28 2016 14:23 Ikidomari wrote: Hi all, Sorry for being so inactive at the start, I've been real busy with life, and I've had a hell of a rough time catching up on the game, got a major headache trying to figure everything out. I'll try to be far more active from here on out, feel free to question me all you want, and I'll answer as quickly as possible. Sorry for any weird formatting issues, the lack of direct quotes, and general rambly-ness of my post, I'm writing from a phone and having a hell of a time getting it all done. READS with explanations (mostly): + Show Spoiler + PepperMintTea Never played forum, but has played in real-life / online, so at least somewhat experienced. Points out a lot of flaws in people's arguments, times that they've said things that are weak / make little sense. Constantly asking for more information, where people got certain ideas, and asks hard-hitting questions. PMT is one of my top town reads, either that or very good mafia, and I'm being taken for a ride, but based on their lack of forum experience, I'd say PMT is just good town. Tumbleweed looks like this is his first game, or one of his first, went very pro-active early, maybe a bit over-aggressive on the scum calls, but started making more town reads later on. I don't know, comes off as bad town trying too hard, or bad mafia to me, i'm not experienced enough to tell the difference. If I had to give a solid answer, I'd say he's bad town who changed his mind a bit too often in an attempt to get reactions out of people, falling over himself trying to avoid being mis-lynched. JesusIncarnate Very few posts (I know, he still has more than I do) Posts he has made haven't been very constructive at all. He's coming off as extremely arrogant, enough so that it's got to be some sort of act, because there's no way someone's going to say "I am a Mafia Grandmaster", "speak to me with respect, I deserve it, i am above you" unless they're putting it on, and I mean, look at that name. Only constructive information he's given to town is calling out Eden for supposedly falling for a simple strat. My read is that jesus is an unhelpful town, who has annoying posts to read- 'sick meme' 'residentsleeper' Jesus, why are you putting such a big target on your back for someone to attack you? what do you gain? Alur Seems like good town to me. He's intent on solving the game, asks questions, answers questions asked of him, Isn't going crazy trying to turn people on one another, or attacking anyone too hard. He seems to be frustrated at my lack of posting, understandable, I would be too. Sorry about that. I like Alurs posts, He's towney, he's not obnoxious, he doesn't seem like he's putting on any sort of act. He also posted "Gonna play some dota or cs to relax". You KNOW someone's taking the game seriously when they swap to dota of all games to chill out. Kuragari Reationary to other people's posts, hasn't posted much in the way of solving the game, just spoke to other players. He did say he wouldn't go into reads until later in the first day, but for someone with quite a few posts, not much has been said. Not enough information on the guy to make a proper judgement. Slightly scummy, not enough to vote on. darthfoley Very town, posted a lot of constructive things, good attitude. I'm on a phone so it's hard to quote everything I want to touch on, but my number 1 town spot goes to this guy. He posts a lot and is vocal about his reads, and backs them up with other posts. I think he'll be useful to town later on, and if we have a doctor, you should consider putting this guy on your save list. nooniansoong My read is good-town, asks some good questions, spots inconsistencies, doesn't hop on other people's scum reads and back them up, tries to dissect them and point out any flaws, good for getting more information. Trfel Scum read, has a whole lot of posts just asking questions without contributing any information, a whole lot of words with not much to say. Jumped on the voting for tumbleweed bandwagon simply because it's embarrassing the newbies caught tumble, and not Trfel himself? (Am I missing something here?) My biggest reason for thinking Trfel is scum is #607 where he says he's trying very hard not to direct the thread, then proceeds to direct the hell out of the thread dissecting tumbleweed's filter, this results in tumbleweed being the current lynch target. Maybe this is a sick town play and we're going to get rid of mafia on the first night, but I think, judging from his experience, Trfel is an experienced mafia player, and is scum trying to get a townie lynched on day 1. from here on out my posts are going to be shorter, I'm getting a headache going over everything, this is my own fault for being so inactive at the start, there's so much content to wrap my head around. Onegu Seems scummy, lots of short very defensive answers, "Big post coming from me" was actually just a bunch of short reactions to other people's posts. that being said, I disagree with several of his reads, especially Tea being mafia. that being said I do agree with his Trfel read. I don't think he's scum enough to vote, but definitely enough to keep my eye on. _MexicanAlien Comes off as a noob at the start. I don't think he's scum, but he's not being very helpful to town, either. I disagree with his reads. Eden Seems town, nice long posts, decent contribution Shapelog Heck, man you've posted so much. Chill out a bit, think before you post. A lot of your posts are off-topic and it's not too helpful. I'm reading you as town for now but I'm going to keep a close eye on you from now on. OKAY SO My top 3 for each Scum: Onegu, JesusIncarnate, Tfel Town: PMT, Darth, Alur Keep a close eye on: Shape, Tumble, Kuragari I'm going to refrain from voting for at least a little while, if I even vote at all. + Show Spoiler + we are allowed to abstain from voting, right? For now, please feel free to AMA, call me out, whatever. I'll be reading the thread a lot for at least the next few hours. Welcome to the thread! Hope you're getting caught up. I like your post, but I have a question. You mention that Onegu and Trfel are in your scum category. Do you think that they could be on a scum team together? If one flips mafia, will that change your opinion on the other? | ||
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On January 28 2016 03:23 Tumblewood wrote: 1. Shapelog 2. Trfel 3. Onegu I need to log off for now, see you all in a couple hours. Tumble I'd like to know if these are still your scum reads? If they've changed, I want to know why. Also, you have both Trfel and Onegu in your scum pile. They've been pretty accusatory against each other; same question I posed to Aussie friend: do you believe they could be on the same team? If one flips scum, does it change your opinion on the other? | ||
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On January 28 2016 15:16 Eden1892 wrote: sigh hittin me right in the feels with "keep me alive so I can learn" I'll humor that your post took a while and you changed your mind as a result, Iki. After all, I pretty rapidly changed course on who I wanted to lynch while I was typing my post  But you got to explain to me what changed your mind. It's a bit odd to me that you claim you did, because you didn't make much mention of Jesus in-between your read on him and your list of reads. And you didn't put it back in at the end... or in the follow-up post where you voted for him... So what changed your mind about Jesus? Please be as specific as you can. *hint, if you want to stay alive, I suggest you do as he says and not fall back on "i'm a noob!" excuse* We've all been there, but if you want to stick around, you need to prove that you have value. This doesn't mean that you need to solve every person in every post you write. It's perfectly fine to focus on only a couple of people, if you have legitimate reasons to do so. With that said, I am too interested in hearing about why your opinion of JesusIncarnate changed. I'm assuming you read my case against him before you posted, so why the change mid way through your post? | ||
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1. JesusIncarnate 2. Kuragari 3. Ikidomari (??) Strongest TRs: 1. Eden 2. Alur 3. PMT Starting to get town vibes from Tumblewood, so he's off my list for now. I don't really see myself voting for anyone besides Jesus or Ikidomari at this point in time. Maybe if Kuragari continues to be lackluster and a wagon forms somehow. | ||
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