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On January 28 2016 01:35 _MexicanAlien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 01:21 PepperMintTea wrote:I was asked the same question more than once and that is the general form. On January 27 2016 09:17 nooniansoong wrote:
Why would townies be nervous? On January 27 2016 13:08 _MexicanAlien wrote:
For PepperMintTea:
You said you think that Shapelog seemed "overexcited or nervous". If he was in fact town, why would he be nervous? He should be put off by accusations/scum observations. Also, what about being townie make him overexcited?
I can see how rolling mafia would make a noob overexcited or nervous. Considering I read shapelog as town and these are the questions I was asked , my "rephrasing of the question" is in fact not interesting. It appears you have not understood what I said and I apologise for that. Let me simplify things for you. I don't know the exact reason behind ShapeLog being nervous or over excited. There could be many reasons, I gave a few. However I do think he came across as nervous or over excited, that is my opinion. As a result of this it caused his haphazardous posting. In my opinion Haphazardous posting of that form typically comes from town. hence my conclusion. If you don't understand that then I feel sorry for you. Let the readers decide what is interesting. Why did you exclude the most plausible reason for Shapelog's nervousness? He is Mafia. It's Occam's razor. The best reason for the way he is acting is that he is Mafia. And the most plausible reason for you excluding this very obvious solution is that you are Mafia too. So-called "haphazardous" posting is a great way for Mafia to Spam out important points and make people lose focus.
People who say "Occam's razor" trying to be intelligent often achieve the opposite.
in my experience lots of haphazrdous posting is
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I have a couple of hours so going to catch up and give any useful thoughts
I posted questions for Onegu and JesusIncarnate, if you get the chance to answer I would really appreciate it.
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On January 28 2016 02:26 Kuragari42 wrote:
@PMT Can I get more insight into your darthy read? I find his posts semi-suspicious yet you seem to highly town read him.
I gave a few things that led me to have him as town early.
Since then I have liked his interaction with Alar, his progression with that read has been similar to mine. starting off scummy and turning more town as the game has gone on.
He's being active and asking questions.
You referenced that he "changes his opinion for no reason" but I haven't found that to be the case , darth is my top town.
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Trefl I would be interested to get your read/thoughts on Tumblewood
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On January 28 2016 05:38 Kuragari42 wrote:
@darth You changed on me, Alur, and Onegu. Imo it's not the substantial reads that matter the most, it's the slight reads.
You also agreed with/praised Eden without reading Onegu's filter. How were you supposed to know that Eden's read wasn't just an attempt to throw suspicion on an experienced player?
You used meta for your TR on Eden when you said it would be a smart move for mafia to start setting up meta shit.
Those combined with your alignment stressing are what made me find you somewhat suspicious.
Isn't changing a slight read more expected than changing a substantial one. clues in the name
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just to add on to the above, apologies
why is changing the read a bad thing? Can you give an example where he changed his opinion for no reason?
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@Tumblewood
I'm having a hard time following this train of thought
On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:
Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog
Trefl leans town and onegu is null
then
On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you? I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.
So now trefl is neutral but Onegu is likely town
and then
On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.
First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog
Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)
Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.
TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me,
Onegu and Trefl are both scum.
I guess I have the hardest time understanding how you came to the conclusion about onegu. You thought he was towny early on based on the above. Then he made a good case about trefl. Yet despite that you have him as scum..alongside trefl.
From my perspective, you have people who you read town for doing less towny things , than onegu has done yet you scumread him.
it seems strange.
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On January 28 2016 06:13 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 05:59 PepperMintTea wrote:@Tumblewood I'm having a hard time following this train of thought On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:
Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog
Trefl leans town and onegu is null then On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you? I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel. So now trefl is neutral but Onegu is likely town and then On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.
First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog
Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)
Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.
TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Onegu and Trefl are both scum. I guess I have the hardest time understanding how you came to the conclusion about onegu. You thought he was towny early on based on the above. Then he made a good case about trefl. Yet despite that you have him as scum..alongside trefl. From my perspective, you have people who you read town for doing less towny things , than onegu has done yet you scumread him. it seems strange. It doesn't make sense to make a read on early D1 and then never change it. As information has come out, I've been getting more and more of a feel on people. By the first little tier post, Trfel had done nothing scummy and neither had Onegu. They even looked a little town for helping to get things started. Darthfoley and MexicanAlien appeared scummy to me for the first few pages, but their play has been solid since. The big turning point for me was when Onegu posted that giant stream-of-consciousness post. That was the only big thing he'd posted all game, and most of it lacked his own opinions. The only part where he said anything definitive himself was his read on Trfel (which I agree with, hence Trfel leaning scum in my mind). Onegu and Trfel both look like classic examples of players who are very active but not saying much. Onegu was also really confrontational toward accusations, which seemed odd to me. Could you explain to me what you find town about Onegu's play?
I think it would help me out more if you could go into some more detail about your town reads and how you established them.
I'm still figuring out Onegu, pending his answer.
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On January 28 2016 06:30 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892
Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.
There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though. Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy? On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.
And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.
Do you care to explain these discrepancies? What are you talking about? You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? @Onegu I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell". The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice. On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.
Do you have any scumreads?
I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.
Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine. On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much. Bleh. Can be caused by being busy... I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote. When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less. Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now. I will agree your point on Tumble is good.
Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned
On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?
I am curious what these very good points are
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On January 28 2016 06:54 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 06:34 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 28 2016 06:30 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892
Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.
There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though. Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy? On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.
And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.
Do you care to explain these discrepancies? What are you talking about? You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? @Onegu I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell". The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice. On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.
Do you have any scumreads?
I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.
Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine. On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much. Bleh. Can be caused by being busy... I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote. When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less. Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now. I will agree your point on Tumble is good. Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? I am curious what these very good points are It was the whole stream of thoughts thing and you scum reading shape for it. I need to read your post on that.
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honestly onegu that is a really weak answer
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On January 28 2016 07:07 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 06:26 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 28 2016 06:13 Tumblewood wrote:On January 28 2016 05:59 PepperMintTea wrote:@Tumblewood I'm having a hard time following this train of thought On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:
Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog
Trefl leans town and onegu is null then On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you? I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel. So now trefl is neutral but Onegu is likely town and then On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.
First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog
Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)
Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.
TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Onegu and Trefl are both scum. I guess I have the hardest time understanding how you came to the conclusion about onegu. You thought he was towny early on based on the above. Then he made a good case about trefl. Yet despite that you have him as scum..alongside trefl. From my perspective, you have people who you read town for doing less towny things , than onegu has done yet you scumread him. it seems strange. It doesn't make sense to make a read on early D1 and then never change it. As information has come out, I've been getting more and more of a feel on people. By the first little tier post, Trfel had done nothing scummy and neither had Onegu. They even looked a little town for helping to get things started. Darthfoley and MexicanAlien appeared scummy to me for the first few pages, but their play has been solid since. The big turning point for me was when Onegu posted that giant stream-of-consciousness post. That was the only big thing he'd posted all game, and most of it lacked his own opinions. The only part where he said anything definitive himself was his read on Trfel (which I agree with, hence Trfel leaning scum in my mind). Onegu and Trfel both look like classic examples of players who are very active but not saying much. Onegu was also really confrontational toward accusations, which seemed odd to me. Could you explain to me what you find town about Onegu's play? I think it would help me out more if you could go into some more detail about your town reads and how you established them. I'm still figuring out Onegu, pending his answer. My main townreads are Eden1892 and Alur, with a side of darthfoley. I townread Alur for being the most motivated to find scum. The first post I really liked was this: Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 10:01 Alur wrote:On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).
What could be wifom and why is it wifom? FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.
3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:
Why is it scummy to be casual? Going forward:Talk about other players. On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Is anyone else here seeing a pattern? Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed. He already explained it I think. Firstly #2 states: "The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!" So yes, the mafia does know the setup. MexicanAlien posted: On January 27 2016 07:23 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Yes why talk about blue roles? This could possibly give the scum information. This may or may not help them but we shouldn't unwittingly give them any more To me, this post suggests that MexicanAlien was not aware of the fact that mafia knows the setup. If he was mafia, he would know that mafia knew the setup. I think, it's WIFOM because it could be a gambit to make himself seem town. Regarding being casual: Not necessarily scummy, especially early on day 1. But when I look through his filter he seems too content on just making casual conversation (for my taste), but it's only as strong as any day 1 read can be, which is a caveat that I don't feel the need to post with my every read. I was also hoping for him to defend himself. Regarding the pattern: I don't think he explained it. He talks about a bunch of stuff after #235, but I can't tell if the observations he makes are different/unrelated to the pattern he claims to have seen in #235. After my initial post, I saw this: Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 23:26 Alur wrote:
One thing before I go afk.
I disagree with people townreading Kuragari, if you look at his filter (which is short, so this is easy to verify), notice how his posts are based on reading into if people have referenced their alignment. Which is not terrible in and of itself, but it was something that Tumblewood introduced originally.
It seems improbable, that a town player who reads up on the entire thread, ends up not really giving any meaningful original reads or opinions, and just piggybacks on Tumblewoods "allignment refence" tool.
On that note, I'll be back this evening. which reaffirms Alur as town. He's the only one I see in this game making a concerted effort to find scum, besides my other two townreads. I'll be gone for about an hour, stay tuned for my explanation on Eden and darthfoley as town.
Ok can you go through the big post by Onegu and tell me what it is you don't like about it, specifically the lack of opinions
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Sorry got called away urgently.
Tomorrow I'm going to vote one of four people.
JesusIncarnate, Onegu, Tumblewood, Trfel
I'm too tired to reason it out tonight, but tomorrow morning before work I will explain
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Hello I need to catch up then determine who I want to lynch tonight.
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At this point I am fairly happy with these people in my town house. Darth,Shapelog,MexicanAlien,Alur,Eden.
Then I have nooniansong who honestly I haven't tried to read so far. I was aware that I may not be objective trying to read him as they were pushing me. Either way unlikely to get lynched and I have no reason to so just going to ignore that today.
Yesterday I listed who I would potentially lynch but I want to refine that list somewhat and give some more detailed reasoning.
Onegu - I mentioned early on that I was wary reading Onegu one way or the other. What struck out to me was an inconsistency on his read of me and the follow up. The relevant posts are given here.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 28 2016 06:34 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 06:30 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892
Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.
There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though. Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy? On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.
And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.
Do you care to explain these discrepancies? What are you talking about? You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? @Onegu I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell". The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice. On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.
Do you have any scumreads?
I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.
Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine. On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much. Bleh. Can be caused by being busy... I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote. When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less. Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now. I will agree your point on Tumble is good. Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum? I am curious what these very good points are On January 28 2016 06:54 Onegu wrote:
It was the whole stream of thoughts thing and you scum reading shape for it. I need to read your post on that.
Essentially he calls me "scummy as hell" based on the points raised by nooniansong but actually noon only raised one , pretty weak , point that Onegu agreed with.
Onegu also didn't read correctly, I had Shapelog as town and he said I was calling Shapelog scummy.
I want to read him one more time and see cases against him but ... i'd be ok lynching him at this point.
Tumblewood - I typically don't like early list posts the main thing is the Onegu read switch he came up with and how it came about. Essentially I find it hard to understand that he saw onegu do some towny stuff early, and make a good case but calls him scum. ..perhaps just sheeping thread opinion.
When you compare it to people he calls town and the reasons he gave there...
@Tumblewood - Can you explain what it is you didn't like about Onegu's big post, give some examples.
I need to read over his responses and I am aware that it is tempting to lynch someone you "caught out" just to seem clever... but at this point I would lynch Tumblewood,
Trefl - I liked Eden's catch about his flip flop on Tumble ... but I have nothing by myself and again I want to read things more carefully...I probably wouldn't lynch trefl though over anyone else in this list
The rest of the pack are basically inactives who I would happily lynch
JesusIncarnate - Superficial list posts early on with surface reads. No explanations or follow up. Woefully inactive
LYNCH
Kuragari - Inactive, got himself into a horrible mess trying to pressure darth which was just terrible. Felt like "talking just to talk"
Hasn't done anything else so would lynch
Iki - inactive for ever, then big list post. Seems to contain a lot of backdoors as pointed out by eden, played the newbie card. would Lynch.
I'm going to go over this at lunch, reading tumble and onegu and will give updates then
If you feel strongly about any of these or have further cases I would like to read them.
I have about 15 mins for questions.
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On January 28 2016 18:22 Trfel wrote:Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative? Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood? And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice.
If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline.
He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up.
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On January 28 2016 18:30 Trfel wrote:I mean, right now he's probably sleeping. But that aside, look at the effort he put into his first analysis post on Shapelog. Detailed, clear explanation. Since then, his reasoning hasn't been so detailed and has felt a bit shallow to me. I'm not paying any attention to his recent inactivity at all. The problem with talking now is that if he actually is mafia and getting complacent, he'll probably snap out of it, making it harder to conclusively read him as scum. It's pointless to say that someone's town read is stupid unless you think that the person is actually suspicious. It simply doesn't accomplish anything. The way that Alur's read on Kuragami42 changes from talking down other people's townreads to his strongest scumread for the same reasons throughout feels unnatural and reactive. I'm not sure about Alur, which is why I'm looking for people's thoughts. Thanks for sharing  Recent inactivity aside, do you agree with what I'm getting at, or am I just being dumb?
If you read Alur carefully he starts with questioning the townreads and then after more posts from Kuragami he scumreads him stronger, I didn't like the posts by Kura either so I can understand that.
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On January 28 2016 18:33 _MexicanAlien wrote:
PepperMintTea,
I would value your opinions and thoughts on the case I present in posts #711 and #712. Namely,
Eden1892 vs. Ikidamari ----> Eden1892 + Ikidamari
sorry I can't respond intelligently
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On January 28 2016 18:34 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 18:27 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 28 2016 18:22 Trfel wrote:Can someone tell me what is wrong with my post here? Is it that the statements themselves are wrong, or that it isn't alignment indicative? Evidently, everyone feels that something is wrong with it, or they would be lynching Tumblewood? And again, if someone wouldn't mind saying why they think Alur is town, that would be nice. If you look at the post by Tumblewood he says firstly I was scumreading him for X initial reasons. I think those fit in the timeline. He prefaces the second set of quotes by saying "more recently" which is fine so there is no timeline mix up. Hm, I don't really get what you're trying to say here. If I may? If it were just Tumblewood's first and third post that I quoted, it would be fine. However, in the second post, he says that Shapelog is scum because his early posts were just that bad. He doesn't seem to consider the more recent posts as important at all, which is very contrary to his perspective in the third post. This makes me feel that he's more interested in telling people what they want to hear than what he actually thinks. Do you mind explaining where you disagree one more time?
I feel the timestamps are important in your quoted posts.
He makes a read on shapelog based on initial posts, the follow up is about 2 hours later , makes sense that he still has the same posts in his mind and responds the same way.
Then it's about 8 hours until the next time he answers, he bring up the original points and then adds in the newer posts than reinforces the read.
I can follow that train of thought.
I'm going to read over tumble more carefully at lunch because I think I might be wrong.
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