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On January 29 2016 17:53 Alur wrote:
How are you the type of person that watches all the vods of "the town" mafia event, spends too much time on 4chan and TL, but your IRL schedule is so insanely packed.
Of all the newbies you and me have the most similar mafia experience, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to relate to you.
Quite simple really, over the late november - early january period I was working 3-4 days a week, now I'm working 5-6 days a week, and haven't cut down on the amount of social events.
Typically on a lunch break I'll watch a stream or some VODs, or browse /vg/ if there's nothing I want to watch.
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I'm mostly done with my analysis, I've got 4.5 out of 12 reads to go. should be up within the hour unless dinner interrupts.
this is taking longer than I thought to type everything up.
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On January 29 2016 19:14 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 19:10 Ikidomari wrote:
I'm mostly done with my analysis, I've got 4.5 out of 12reads to go. should be up within the hour unless dinner interrupts.
this is taking longer than I thought to type everything up. We don't care about your reads on yourself or Kuragari42. We want to hear your reads on up to 11 players. Ok I'm actually leaving now.
I did 12 reads, there are 13 players, I obviously didn't read myself.
I did a very short (like one sentence) read on Kura for the hell of it.
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Alright here's what I got regarding the votes
Peppermint Tea
Vote Kura, Vote Onegu, Vote Kura.
Total Votes: 3
TumbleWood (I just now noticed it's wood, not weed)
Vote Jesus
Total Votes: 1
+ Show Spoiler +"Vote Jesus unless he posts something to convince me he's town"- Jesus posts nothing to convince anyone he's town, tumble is clean and followed through on what he said, didn't join in any other bandwagoning. This points to town based purely on voting patterns.
JesusIncarnate
Didn't vote. Hasn't posted in over 15 hours, Last post was 300 posts earlier. He did say he would be busy with real life shit until Friday, he doesn't have a country associated with his TL account, so I don't know if Friday is today for him, or tomorrow. I still think he's scum, and I don't regret my vote on him. Unless he posts something really good in the next day, or someone else slips up real bad, my vote is staying with Jesus.
Alur
Vote: Kuragi
Total Votes: 1
+ Show Spoiler +Post 435, Alur says he disagrees with people townreading kuragi
Post 504, Alur calls out kuragi for being scummy
Post 533, Alur says his main scum reads are Kuragi and Trfel
Post 538, Alur explains why he's scumreading Kuragi
Post 545, Alur further explains scumreading Kuragi
Post 573, Alur Votes for Kuragi
Post 767, Alur Says he voted Kuragi because it was the only scumread that he personally thought of himself, and wasn't influenced by other players.
Alur has stuck by his guns the entire time, he was confident in his read, and gave kuragi a chance to defend himself in later posts, which kuragi failed to do. Alur is TOWN
Kuragari
Seems pointless to read into him too much, but anyway here it is.
Votes: Tumblewood
Total Votes: 1
+ Show Spoiler +In one of his posts kuragari said tumble was "slight scum" then eventually voted for him. nothing really interesting that caught my eye, I think the guy just wasn't that invested in this game
DarthFoley
Votes: Kuragari, TumbleWood, Jesus, Kuragari.
Total Votes: 4
+ Show Spoiler +Foley's scum read of Kuragari was highly influenced by Alur's reads - post 537
Foley says he's considering voting Kura - 551
"the only people I'm comfortable voting are tumble and kuragari" - 560
Votes Kura - 574
Kuragari does nothing to defend himself, Trfel posts a read on tumble, DarthFoley immediately loves it, votes for tumble shortly after - 627, 630
DarthFoley makes his own analysis on JesusIncarnate, Votes Jesus Shortly after - 662, 663
Kuragari "slips" as doc, Foley is on it, Revotes Kuragari, 798, 800
All of Darth's votes were relevant to what was going on in the thread at the time, he made his own reads multiple times, all of his flips were justified in my opinion, and he consistently voted on who he thought was scummiest at the time
Foley is TOWN
nooniansoong
Votes: PeppermintTea, Onegu, JesusIncarnate.
Total Votes: 3
+ Show Spoiler +Noon votes for peppermint simply because "I can't understand her reads", even though she explained her reads fairly well, I believe that she believes her reads. Posts 258, 260, 262, 267. Vote happened on 272. very early on
Unvotes because PMT made a good read, Is now very confident in her read, votes Onegu because of PMT
Noon makes a slight scum read on Jesus, Simply because Jesus calls Eden "stupid" and then Jesus says "Eden is u[ in the Air"- 519, again in 623
Votes Jesus in 646
Even though I agree with Noon's read on Jesus, I think his reasoning is weak, and he was just looking for someone to vote for.
Another thing I'd like to point out, Jesus points out that "FYI, Mafia doesn't know the setup" - 268, even though it is clarified in Post#2 by LoneMeow that Mafia WILL know the setup.
I think this is scummy as hell, it would be SO easy for a Mafia player to pretend they don't know the setup, and then get townread for not knowing that mafia know the setup.
this may be WIFOM but Noon seems scummy as hell for me.
Nooniansoong: SCUM
Trfel
Votes: Onegu, Kuraragi, TumbleWood
Total Votes: 3
+ Show Spoiler +
Trfel jokingly calls Onegu Mafia - 184
Trfel questions Onegu heavily throughout the thread, explains that He thinks Onegu is scum because Onegu isn't interested in finding scum, only in 'appearing useful'
Trfel says he was mistaken about Onegu, needs to reevaluate
Trfel Jumps on the Tumblewood Bandwagon, Unvotes Onegu, "embarrassed about newbies getting better scum reads than him" - 563, 571
This screams scummy as hell to me. I not only think that Trfel is Scum, I think that Trfel and Onegu are scum together, and this is a case of "I'm going to put some light pressure on you so people don't think we're teamed up, and then I'm going to jump off your case when there's a better target to reduce suspicion of us"
Trfel slightly defends kuragari in 540
Alur slightly sways Trfel towards Kuragari Scum in 546
Trfel thinks Alur is slightly scummy, at the same time that Alur read Himself (Trfel) as scum, and Onegu as slightly scummy - 722
Trfel says to not lynch kuragari - 866
Trfel realizes that Kuragari is most likely going to be lynched, jumps on the bandwagon for weak reasons- "I was misinterpreting the situation" - 869
Trfel is one of my top SCUM reads. Onegu is up there too, I'll get to that soon.
Onegu
Votes: No-one
Total Votes: 0
+ Show Spoiler +Onegu called out Trfel Scum for only asking questions, confirms it a couple times- 341, 396, 461, 511, 520, Onegu continues to talk to Trfel but doesn't give any more evidence on why he's reading scum so strongly, just keeps saying "you are scum"
this serves purpose to make it seem like onegu and trfel aren't scum together, without actually putting any dirt on Trfel.
this is scummy as hell. Onegu is SCUM.
Unfortunately his kid's in hospital, so he's been a lot less active, and I don't have much else to read into. He's been very short and defensive with other players.
Onegu didn't vote because of his kid in hospital, so I can't read into his votes unfortunately, I assume he would have voted Trfel since there was basically zero chance of Trfel getting lynched anyway, and it would make his story seem more solid.
I genuinely hope his kid is okay, and he's able to rejoin the game soon, but for now I reinforce
ONEGU IS SCUM
MexicanAlien
Votes: Ikidomari, Tumblewood
Total Votes: 2
+ Show Spoiler +Mexican's read on me had a lot of good points, he came up with most of those points himself. He's doing a good job as town, 711, 712
he also calls me out for poor plays in 694, 698
Mexican gets more interested in tumblewood than me, agrees with other player's analysis, swaps his vote to tumble
693, 751, 752, 766, finally votes tumble on 768
Mexican Correctly chose to not lynch town, and voted on who he thought was most scummy at the time, while I don't agree with his reads (obviously), his posts scream town.
Mexican is TOWN
Eden
Votes: Onegu, Trfel, Ikidomari, Unvote / Revote Ikidomari,
Total Votes: 4
+ Show Spoiler +Eden has been one of the most active towns throughout the game, I sincerely believe that he is town due to the sheer amount of content he's posted. I'm not going to list it all here, but if you ask me I'll put in the effort and pick out posts.
His first vote for Onegu seemed to be in a joking manner, telling onegu to drop his tough guy act and play mafia (encouraging town to be more active, or forcing mafia to put in more effort)
in post #589 Eden posts his own reasoning and a good analysis on why he's going to vote for Trfel, then promptly does so, this is a good post and a solid read / vote in my opinion.
Then there's the whole debacle with me appearing scum as hell, eden is very fast to call me out for being scummy, and put on a lot of pressure.
Eden is playing extremely town, and deserves credit for it.
Eden is TOWN.
Shapelog
Votes: PMT, Onegu, Ikidomari, Kuragari
Total Votes: 4
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Posts a very large post on PMT, several original ideas regarding her being scum, promptly votes- 278
Onegu pushes shape, shape pushes back, calls out onegu for not wanting to solve the game (a fair analysis in my opinion), says he considers onegu more scummy than PMT, votes Onegu.- 416
votes me for obvious reasons, posts a few ideas on why he thinks i'm scummy / teamed up with darth / eden (who gave me a backdoor out) - 769, 782
Shape then reads other people's reasoning behind Kuragai Scum, and sides with them, trusting that if I'm scum I'll slip up and get lynched a day or 2 later.
My honest opinion is that shape is a weak town, his posting is all over the place, he seems to trust other's opinions more than his own, but I don't think he's mafia because of that.
Shape is TOWN, But i'll be paying a lot closer attention to his posts in future, I could easily switch between scum or town on this one.
That's my thoughts on everyone, feel free to call me out, question me further, whatever.
TL;DR
there is no TLDR, this is mafia. read the whole thing.
+ Show Spoiler +I just typed 600'000 words, I'm too lazy to type a TLDR
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It's currently 7pm for me
I'm going to be active from 7 - 11 (maybe 12)
Sleep from 11pm-7am
Work from 8am-6pm
Active from 7pm (24 hours from now) to ~1am
should be relatively active all day Sunday assuming nothing comes up
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On January 29 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote:
Ikid do you have a typo in your read about me?
You said Jesus said fyi mafia Doesn't know the setup.
Did you mean I said that?
Yes, I meant to say that you said that. thanks for picking it up.
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There are probably a few typos, I wanted to get it out ASAP.
I also typed u[ instead of up
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On January 29 2016 22:28 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 20:11 Ikidomari wrote:
nooniansoong
Votes: PeppermintTea, Onegu, JesusIncarnate.
Total Votes: 3
[spoiler]Noon votes for peppermint simply because "I can't understand her reads", even though she explained her reads fairly well, I believe that she believes her reads. Posts 258, 260, 262, 267. Vote happened on 272. very early on
Unvotes because PMT made a good read, Is now very confident in her read, votes Onegu because of PMT
Noon makes a slight scum read on Jesus, Simply because Jesus calls Eden "stupid" and then Jesus says "Eden is u[ in the Air"- 519, again in 623
Votes Jesus in 646
Even though I agree with Noon's read on Jesus, I think his reasoning is weak, and he was just looking for someone to vote for.
Another thing I'd like to point out, Jesus points out that "FYI, Mafia doesn't know the setup" - 268, even though it is clarified in Post#2 by LoneMeow that Mafia WILL know the setup.
I think this is scummy as hell, it would be SO easy for a Mafia player to pretend they don't know the setup, and then get townread for not knowing that mafia know the setup.
this may be WIFOM but Noon seems scummy as hell for me.
Nooniansoong: SCUM You are misrepresenting me. Let me clarify my reads then we'll see if you still think I'm scummy. About PMT: What I didn't understand is her saying MA and Shape were talking a lot, nervous, and town. Those three things didn't fit together for me. Talking a lot doesn't fit with nervous. Nervous doesn't fit with town. About Jesus: He said Eden fell for newb scum tricks. Implicit in that statement is the assumption that Eden is town. Jesus later said that Eden was still up in the air. So if Jesus is making a statement assuming Eden is town, it does not make sense that his read on Eden is not also town. About me not knowing that mafia knew the setup: What makes me not knowing as town less likely than me pretending not to know as scum? I agree you should't townread me for that but to scumread me for it is a stretch.
As for the PMT thing, it was clear that SHE believed what she said, even if it was wrong, but you still got a scum vibe from it.
I believe due to Jesus' posting style, something made him suspicious of eden, something eden or someone else had said, but Jesus didn't bother to clarify what it was. However I'm willing to let this one slide
your last point is the one that gives you the most towncred (in my eyes) from your post. Maybe I assumed you were too meta with the "claiming to not know that mafia knows the setup" thing.
You were never a top scum to me, Onegu and Trfel are far and away my biggest scum reads, I'm willing to believe you're town for now.
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On January 29 2016 22:43 nooniansoong wrote:
@ikid
pmt - It wasn't clear to me she believed it. Why is it clear to you? Tone or something?
jesus - ok something made him suspicious of Eden, or so he claims, but then why did he write that Eden was tricked by scum? Only town can be tricked by scum.
pmt- she made the reads unprompted and early on, she was confident and calm with her reasoning and response to questioning, she says herself that she's new, so that gives her a good excuse for making a read, and drawing the wrong conclusion from that read.
jesus- I reread his post where he says that eden is falling for noob strats, then that eden is up in the air. I don't think it's unreasonable to say "this person is town or mafia, but if they're town, they're stupid because [x], even though he didn't word it like that.
I do admit I misunderstood your post originally, though. I got to you quite late in my post, and somehow thought that jesus made two separate posts, with the points on eden. not one post with both points.
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On January 29 2016 23:52 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 22:55 Ikidomari wrote:
jesus- I reread his post where he says that eden is falling for noob strats, then that eden is up in the air. I don't think it's unreasonable to say "this person is town or mafia, but if they're town, they're stupid because [x], even though he didn't word it like that.
This is a weird defense of Jesus considering you said this: Show nested quote +Unless he posts something really good in the next day, or someone else slips up real bad, my vote is staying with Jesus.
As I said earlier, I agree with your analysis that jesus is mafia, I'm not defending him so much as attempting to debunk you. (and failing pretty handily)
My main concern with you was the fact that you voted for what seemed to be extremely minor reasons, and swapped your vote twice for relatively minor reasons, while ignoring far bigger scum tells in the rest of the thread.
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I'm about to go to bed, I'll try and find time tomorrow morning to respond to anything that's said to me, otherwise I'll do some posting on my lunch break / when I get home from work
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On January 30 2016 00:08 nooniansoong wrote:
OK ikid that's fair. You're off my scumlist.
Your onegu/trfel reads are based on them both being scum together. Generally, it's bad to make connection theories like that, especially on day 1. By basing an assumption on another assumption(assumption #1 onegu is scum, assumption #2 trfel is scum), you are compounding the chance that you are wrong.
Okay I read this before shutting off my comp, But seriously, last post of the night for me.
I'll go into further detail tomorrow if necessary, but I believe even without their interactions with each other, They're both scum (especially Trfel), but the way they interact together just reinforces it in my mind.
However your point that I'm compounding my chances of being wrong, by having my reads based off of two assumptions has been noted, and I'll make sure that I don't make any reads purely by basing assumptions upon assumptions. Thanks for the tip.
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On January 30 2016 00:15 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 20:11 Ikidomari wrote:
Alright here's what I got regarding the votes
Peppermint Tea
Vote Kura, Vote Onegu, Vote Kura.
Total Votes: 3
Nothing about PMT, nothing about how PMT practically voted Kura for no reasons other then a scum slip(?). How does he not commit on anything PMT did? I don't like the fact he practically ignore PMT. Show nested quote +
TumbleWood (I just now noticed it's wood, not weed)
Vote Jesus
Total Votes: 1
"Vote Jesus unless he posts something to convince me he's town"- Jesus posts nothing to convince anyone he's town, tumble is clean and followed through on what he said, didn't join in any other bandwagoning. This points to town based purely on voting patterns.
This would be true if: He was actually here when Kura got accused. I can understand where you are calling him from, But you HAD (or at least saw) his former posts. Especially when you said: Show nested quote +
Tumbleweed
looks like this is his first game, or one of his first, went very pro-active early, maybe a bit over-aggressive on the scum calls, but started making more town reads later on. I don't know, comes off as bad town trying too hard, or bad mafia to me, i'm not experienced enough to tell the difference. If I had to give a solid answer, I'd say he's bad town who changed his mind a bit too often in an attempt to get reactions out of people, falling over himself trying to avoid being mis-lynched.
You then later put him on a "keep a close Eye on" list without actually following up on it. Maybe some how you got from there to suggesting/feeling now that he is town(or more townie). All he has done is vote with you and the point that he stayed on his wagon is moot because he wasn't even here. Show nested quote +
JesusIncarnate
Didn't vote. Hasn't posted in over 15 hours, Last post was 300 posts earlier. He did say he would be busy with real life shit until Friday, he doesn't have a country associated with his TL account, so I don't know if Friday is today for him, or tomorrow. I still think he's scum, and I don't regret my vote on him. Unless he posts something really good in the next day, or someone else slips up real bad, my vote is staying with Jesus.
Completely understandable. Show nested quote +
Alur
Vote: Kuragi
Total Votes: 1
Post 435, Alur says he disagrees with people townreading kuragi
Post 504, Alur calls out kuragi for being scummy
Post 533, Alur says his main scum reads are Kuragi and Trfel
Post 538, Alur explains why he's scumreading Kuragi
Post 545, Alur further explains scumreading Kuragi
Post 573, Alur Votes for Kuragi
Post 767, Alur Says he voted Kuragi because it was the only scumread that he personally thought of himself, and wasn't influenced by other players.
Alur has stuck by his guns the entire time, he was confident in his read, and gave kuragi a chance to defend himself in later posts, which kuragi failed to do. Alur is TOWN
Unoriginal vote analyzes is Unoriginal. I town Alur, but i can find questions to ask. Why can't you? Show nested quote +
Kuragari
Seems pointless to read into him too much, but anyway here it is.
Votes: Tumblewood
Total Votes: 1
In one of his posts kuragari said tumble was "slight scum" then eventually voted for him. nothing really interesting that caught my eye, I think the guy just wasn't that invested in this game.
Talking about who the person who gotten lynched isn't that amazing. But considering you did, lets look at the point you made. You, didn't see anything Interesting, yet you don't question why he ended up voting for a slight scum when late in the day he said that Alur was a scum lean? I am also seeing a lot of direct and indirect notations to Tumble. Maybe that is just because he was getting lynch. It is weird that you do not even raise a Eyebrow though. Show nested quote +
DarthFoley
Votes: Kuragari, TumbleWood, Jesus, Kuragari.
Total Votes: 4
Foley's scum read of Kuragari was highly influenced by Alur's reads - post 537
Foley says he's considering voting Kura - 551
"the only people I'm comfortable voting are tumble and kuragari" - 560
Votes Kura - 574
Kuragari does nothing to defend himself, Trfel posts a read on tumble, DarthFoley immediately loves it, votes for tumble shortly after - 627, 630
DarthFoley makes his own analysis on JesusIncarnate, Votes Jesus Shortly after - 662, 663
Kuragari "slips" as doc, Foley is on it, Revotes Kuragari, 798, 800
All of Darth's votes were relevant to what was going on in the thread at the time, he made his own reads multiple times, all of his flips were justified in my opinion, and he consistently voted on who he thought was scummiest at the time
Foley is TOWN
So wait. Trfel, who you think is scum, posts a read on tumble. And Darth jumping on it doesn't make you evening the remotely sus. of him? And later (your read on me) I do things remotely similar and I get a lesser Town reading? Because i do not make actual reads? Yet all game I been giving out scum and town reads that were original. (MA, and PMT come to my head) Hell I have done the same too come voting who i thought was scum. Doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +
nooniansoong
Votes: PeppermintTea, Onegu, JesusIncarnate.
Total Votes: 3
Noon votes for peppermint simply because "I can't understand her reads", even though she explained her reads fairly well, I believe that she believes her reads. Posts 258, 260, 262, 267. Vote happened on 272. very early on
Unvotes because PMT made a good read, Is now very confident in her read, votes Onegu because of PMT
Noon makes a slight scum read on Jesus, Simply because Jesus calls Eden "stupid" and then Jesus says "Eden is u[ in the Air"- 519, again in 623
Votes Jesus in 646
Even though I agree with Noon's read on Jesus, I think his reasoning is weak, and he was just looking for someone to vote for.
Another thing I'd like to point out, Jesus points out that "FYI, Mafia doesn't know the setup" - 268, even though it is clarified in Post#2 by LoneMeow that Mafia WILL know the setup.
I think this is scummy as hell, it would be SO easy for a Mafia player to pretend they don't know the setup, and then get townread for not knowing that mafia know the setup.
this may be WIFOM but Noon seems scummy as hell for me.
Nooniansoong: SCUM
1st Noon/Kush didn't just vote for PMT because he couldn't understand her reads. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 09:17 nooniansoong wrote:On January 27 2016 08:41 PepperMintTea wrote:On January 27 2016 08:38 nooniansoong wrote:On January 27 2016 08:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
Shapelogseems to strike me as overexcited or nervous. I also do not believe he is reading the game carefully enough and he just spouts whatever comes into his head. At first his read of "town lean on MexicanAlien" seems rather farfetched
This seems contradictory. Nervous people don't spout whatever comes into their head. Many people talk too much or over explain to counter feeling nervous or anxious. It is a fairly common issue.
Ignoring the read therefore, I typically see the excessive posting of nonsense as a town trait where he isn't being too careful about anything. So I would have Shapelog leaning town for now.
but don't these points contradict each other? (a) he's nervous, which makes him (b) talk a lot of nonsense. (b) talking a lot of nonsense makes him (c)townie. So then by the transitive relation, a=c, him being nervous makes him townie. Why would townies be nervous? Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).
What could be wifom and why is it wifom? FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.
3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:
Why is it scummy to be casual? Going forward:Talk about other players. On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Is anyone else here seeing a pattern? Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed. He already explained it I think. 2nd It is not that uncommon for a person to change their reads. The fact that Kush scummed PMT, and then after she made a case that he thought was good, Towned her is totally possible as a townie. It also, is complete possible, that he would take her view on as his own. Also how is it that he is scummy when you did the exact thing with Jesus? Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 14:35 Ikidomari wrote:On January 28 2016 14:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:7. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Whoops, My bad. I'm going to vote on my top scum / useless town read at the moment, I'm open to changing this if people sway my opinion.##Vote JesusIncarnate "I am open to changing this if people sway my opinion." So you just put your vote on him because you couldn't find anyone else to lynch. OR you knew you could not convince people to lynch your scum reads. Just really a Slanderous read. Which is even more worse once i consider your early reads: Show nested quote +
nooniansoong
My read is good-town, asks some good questions, spots inconsistencies, doesn't hop on other people's scum reads and back them up, tries to dissect them and point out any flaws, good for getting more information.
Which is just funny considering how you just read him. Especially when you look at the "doesn't hop on other people's scum reads" part. Shows you either didn't read the thread at the time or you are just lazy. Show nested quote +
Trfel
Votes: Onegu, Kuraragi, TumbleWood
Total Votes: 3
Trfel jokingly calls Onegu Mafia - 184
Trfel questions Onegu heavily throughout the thread, explains that He thinks Onegu is scum because Onegu isn't interested in finding scum, only in 'appearing useful'
Trfel says he was mistaken about Onegu, needs to reevaluate
Trfel Jumps on the Tumblewood Bandwagon, Unvotes Onegu, "embarrassed about newbies getting better scum reads than him" - 563, 571
This screams scummy as hell to me. I not only think that Trfel is Scum, I think that Trfel and Onegu are scum together, and this is a case of "I'm going to put some light pressure on you so people don't think we're teamed up, and then I'm going to jump off your case when there's a better target to reduce suspicion of us"
Trfel slightly defends kuragari in 540
Alur slightly sways Trfel towards Kuragari Scum in 546
Trfel thinks Alur is slightly scummy, at the same time that Alur read Himself (Trfel) as scum, and Onegu as slightly scummy - 722
Trfel says to not lynch kuragari - 866
Trfel realizes that Kuragari is most likely going to be lynched, jumps on the bandwagon for weak reasons- "I was misinterpreting the situation" - 869
Trfel is one of my top SCUM reads. Onegu is up there too, I'll get to that soon.
I am going to assume that you didn't just read the VCAs before you wrote this and tried to remain as unbiased as possible. Sure, I can understand your reasons to scum read Trofl. Hell his play is shaddy at best if it is townie. Actually when I looked at your filter you had Trolf as a scum read so points to you i guess. Show nested quote +
Onegu
Votes: No-one
Total Votes: 0
Onegu called out Trfel Scum for only asking questions, confirms it a couple times- 341, 396, 461, 511, 520, Onegu continues to talk to Trfel but doesn't give any more evidence on why he's reading scum so strongly, just keeps saying "you are scum"
this serves purpose to make it seem like onegu and trfel aren't scum together, without actually putting any dirt on Trfel.
this is scummy as hell. Onegu is SCUM.
Unfortunately his kid's in hospital, so he's been a lot less active, and I don't have much else to read into. He's been very short and defensive with other players.
Onegu didn't vote because of his kid in hospital, so I can't read into his votes unfortunately, I assume he would have voted Trfel since there was basically zero chance of Trfel getting lynched anyway, and it would make his story seem more solid.
I genuinely hope his kid is okay, and he's able to rejoin the game soon, but for now I reinforce
ONEGU IS SCUM
I like your decapitation to your Trofl and Onegu scum team tinfoil. But all your read is on is Trofl Vs Onegu. Not once do you look at his other interactions. Therefore, you biasly read Onegu. Bias = Mafia Agenda. Show nested quote +
MexicanAlien
Votes: Ikidomari, Tumblewood
Total Votes: 2
Mexican's read on me had a lot of good points, he came up with most of those points himself. He's doing a good job as town, 711, 712
he also calls me out for poor plays in 694, 698
Mexican gets more interested in tumblewood than me, agrees with other player's analysis, swaps his vote to tumble
693, 751, 752, 766, finally votes tumble on 768
Mexican Correctly chose to not lynch town, and voted on who he thought was most scummy at the time, while I don't agree with his reads (obviously), his posts scream town.
Mexican is TOWN
Again a focus on tumble. Agree that Mex is town Show nested quote +
Eden
Votes: Onegu, Trfel, Ikidomari, Unvote / Revote Ikidomari,
Total Votes: 4
Eden has been one of the most active towns throughout the game, I sincerely believe that he is town due to the sheer amount of content he's posted. I'm not going to list it all here, but if you ask me I'll put in the effort and pick out posts.
His first vote for Onegu seemed to be in a joking manner, telling onegu to drop his tough guy act and play mafia (encouraging town to be more active, or forcing mafia to put in more effort)
in post #589 Eden posts his own reasoning and a good analysis on why he's going to vote for Trfel, then promptly does so, this is a good post and a solid read / vote in my opinion.
Then there's the whole debacle with me appearing scum as hell, eden is very fast to call me out for being scummy, and put on a lot of pressure.
Eden is playing extremely town, and deserves credit for it.
Eden is TOWN.
SO a town read based of activity and good analysises. You strongly Town read him which i do not see you doing if you are scum and partners with you b/c of my tinfoil. Show nested quote +
Shapelog
Votes: PMT, Onegu, Ikidomari, Kuragari
Total Votes: 4
Posts a very large post on PMT, several original ideas regarding her being scum, promptly votes- 278
Onegu pushes shape, shape pushes back, calls out onegu for not wanting to solve the game (a fair analysis in my opinion), says he considers onegu more scummy than PMT, votes Onegu.- 416
votes me for obvious reasons, posts a few ideas on why he thinks i'm scummy / teamed up with darth / eden (who gave me a backdoor out) - 769, 782
Shape then reads other people's reasoning behind Kuragai Scum, and sides with them, trusting that if I'm scum I'll slip up and get lynched a day or 2 later.
My honest opinion is that shape is a weak town, his posting is all over the place, he seems to trust other's opinions more than his own, but I don't think he's mafia because of that.
Shape is TOWN, But i'll be paying a lot closer attention to his posts in future, I could easily switch between scum or town on this one.
Good job leaving a option to OMGUS me if you ever need. You basically haven't changed your read on my since your list of reads earlier. TLDR: So in Summary: He slandered Kush, and even contradicted himself. Calls Darth Town even though he jumped on his Top scum read's case (Trefl). Lots of mentions to town Tumble, Even gives Tumble Town Cred for Not changing vote. Even though he wasn't there to change it. Focused only on Onegu actions with Trofl to pushed his own agenda. And a bunch of other scummy crap. Ikido is mafia
*sigh*
I'll get to this tomorrow
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Wait wait I'm confused how the hell was noon roleblocked?
It's pretty much confirmed that darth was vig and shot onegu
Therefore mafia killed alur if we believe darths claim
So.. You're doctor, you tried to save either alur or onegu, and mafia roleblocked you?
Could you please explain who you tried to save and why?
If I was the doctor my save would probably go to Eden or darth because they were far stronger town players.
Also why did I go from off your scumlist and then straight back on it?
Is it because alur mildly mistrusted me. And got shot. Or because I had a poor read on onegu (as did a lot of people)
This is WIFOM but why would I kill alur of all people the moment he got suspicious of me? There are stronger players to kill, who would raise less suspicion on me.
The only plausible reason I can think is that you think I'm mafia, and my team threw me under the bus for being weak, which would be a REALLY weird decision seeing how I got you on my side mere hours before the end of night
If you think I'm mafia because of the kills, I'm being set up.
P.s. I only have <10 minutes before I have to go back to work. I'll have an hour long break in ~ 3 hours
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Actually noon I'm giving you a free pass. Don't explain any of your reasoning behind being roleblocked. It gives mafia good info and gains town nothing
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I'm talking to noon, Shaplog, I'd like to give him a pass on the claim stuff. But I still want him to answer the rest of my post
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Wait roleblocks are notified? What?
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Okay I'm confused as hell, does a person get a pm if they get roleblocked? Or do they have to figure it out themselves and announce it
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Oh. I had no idea, disregard the first half of my long post. Still I'd like noons comments on putting me from scum to town to scum again in the space of a few hours
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Aw fuck, I went out saturday night / sunday, wake up to be lynched
sorry for being such a shitty player / having little impact on the game.
If I play with TL again I'll properly research things and try to actually play well.
GL to my teammates.
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