EPTThe point about you being incapable of formulating original opinions when you entered. And instead relying on a specific read, that was introduced by another player just before you started posting.
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The point about you being incapable of formulating original opinions when you entered. And instead relying on a specific read, that was introduced by another player just before you started posting. | ||
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On January 28 2016 02:42 Trfel wrote: Fine. Next time, please don't assume that you know everything. What was nooniansoong trying to say by the last quote? Alur's conclusion about _MexicanAlien wasn't very clear, because when he explained it, he said that he thinks it's WIFOM, and WIFOM isn't alignment indicative. It seems that Alur feels that _MexicanAlien is town for reasons that are partially WIFOM, but it's not completely clear. Furthermore, what is nooniansoong saying when he says that the point makes sense? Does this mean that he understands it, or agrees with it? The two are very different things. It's okay if you find my conclusion unclear, you are of course free to ask me to elaborate on this. But I only really made one "point" about MA. So I still can't see what other point about MA (coming from me) you might think noon thought "made sense". I honestly just don't understand the world where you paid attention to events that had unfolded up until then, and still asked the first part of that question. Does anyone else agree with my sentiment? I'm asking because maybe I only think the discussion, and the preceding events were easy to follow because I took part in them. | ||
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I know Trfel aleady already asked, but since his questions don't carry a lot of weight atm, I'd also like you to elaborate on this. That post on it's own cant possibly be reason enough for you back off Onegu. Is this some sort of metaread? | ||
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On January 28 2016 02:08 Shapelog wrote: You woke me up. also i fliped because I didn't say the quoted phase  Idc if i have cred, and why should i care. Unless I am getting mislynched there isn't no need to please people. I rather post reads and do shit. But Brah would you let me push you onto the radar to the townies? You say you don't care about towncred. But it's also important for townies to actually read as town, since it makes it easier for the rest of the town to mafia. My main scumreads are Trfel and Kuragari42 at the moment. I'm not sure what to think of Shapelog, but would also have expected him to calm down had he been town. My problem is that I'm leaning scum on too many people right now. I'd very much like Jesus to elaborate on his reads. I'd also very much like Eden (who I'm leaning towards being town) to elaborate on the current state of his Onegu read. | ||
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Anyhow, were also approaching a point where the lurking australian needs to start contributing. | ||
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On January 28 2016 04:33 Trfel wrote: Alur, why are you scumreading Kuragari42? His initial series of posts suffered from being quite unoriginal, and his last set of posts throw flak onto Darthfoley for changing his opinions on things - and while that did occur, he was once again not the first one to bring it up. He also only stated he was "semi-suspicious" after Darth had thrown suspicion on him. But he's promised us a big post, so I'm not gonna lynch before he's had his word. Either way, I find it improbable that Darth and Kuragari are the same allignment. On a related note, Onegu does seem a little scummy to me (he very much deals in absolutes, I don't see why he'd be so standoffish as town, but once again him being rude town isn't impossible). And like Darth and Kuragi I don't see you being on a scumteam with Onegu. | ||
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On January 28 2016 04:44 Trfel wrote: Have you ever made a knot a blanket? Basically, you need to tie a large number of knots between cloth cut into strips. But if you mess up and tie cloth to the wrong cloth on the opposite side, you end up with an extra strip of cloth at the end, and you have to go back and fix it. How far back do you go? Just a bit back? No, you go back until you are sure it is right, to make sure you fix the problem. Same thing here. I was questioning an interpretation issue, and I started by going as far back as possible to clarify the basis. Because if the basis is at all unclear, then nothing else matters, no matter how hard you try to make things match. That makes sense. But to me the natural way to phrase that question is "What do you think Alur meant by X". "Which point are you referring to" insinuates that I made several points on the matter, I also think it leads to less interesting answers, because it can be answered by quoting me. | ||
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On January 28 2016 05:06 Trfel wrote: It seems to me like your reasons for scumreading Kuragari42 are based on "these things don't show that he is town" instead of "these things shoe that he is scum". Is this true? Did you look at the way that Onegu has acted towards Shapelog? About Kuragari: I think lack of original thought, and primarily relying on already existing tendencies is mafia indicative. His posts don't feel like they're coming from a town perspective (to me). However, his blunt admittance to the fact that he's bad at pushing original agendas could be town indicative. So I grant you that we can't rule out a townie without direction. I'll look into Onegu's interactions with Shapelog, sec. | ||
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To summarize: Onegu is critical of shapelogs "future towntell" on noon. He also dislikes shapelogs spammy and/or "bad" posts. Proceeds to null read him. Anything I am missing Trfel? What conclusion should I draw here? I agree with a lot of what Onegu is saying, and I'm still having trouble placing Shapelog in either of the two alignments myself. | ||
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On January 28 2016 04:28 Alur wrote: You say you don't care about towncred. But it's also important for townies to actually read as town, since it makes it easier for the rest of the town to mafia. My main scumreads are Trfel and Kuragari42 at the moment. I'm not sure what to think of Shapelog, but would also have expected him to calm down had he been town. My problem is that I'm leaning scum on too many people right now. I'd very much like Jesus to elaborate on his reads. I'd also very much like Eden (who I'm leaning towards being town) to elaborate on the current state of his Onegu read. Bumping question in case you missed it Shapelog. Do you really not care about towncred? Seems like an apathetic thing to say if you're town. If people are suspicious of you, and you're town, the town is wasting it's time and energy. | ||
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At this point a number of players are learning towards me being town. But there was a significant difference in how various players established their townreads on me. Noteably Darthfoley, Pepperminttea and Shapelog gradually started townreading me over day 2, as they had some reasonable objections to my day 1 posts (or atleast Darth and pepper did). Players who townread me in pretty much their very first posts are: Tumblewood (townlean on his list) + JesusIncarnate (he sort of townreads me in #413 by saying "i also like alur, there reads are pretty similar to mine.") The first type of read seems more genuine to me. Not sure how much weight we wanna place on this (since it could be that they just casually townread me), but it feels very mentionworthy. | ||
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##Vote: Kuragari42 | ||
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Can you explain or elaborate on why Trfel "looks solid to you"? The post's in your filter that relate to Trfel go like this: On January 28 2016 01:58 nooniansoong wrote: trfel your questions are bad lol Into And. On January 28 2016 08:04 nooniansoong wrote: Trfel looks solid to me. Eden is scum though. I am almost sure of that. Secondly, if you have any amount of conviction for your scumread on me. Is it not in the towns interest that you air your concerns, so that the town can reevaluate me? Like if your read is more than a joke, or a vague sense of paranoia, shouldn't you try to sway town, since I seem to have a moderate impact on the towns direction (which would be quite bad for town if I was mafia). That's gonna be my last post for today. I'm worried that this game might damage my productivity at work tomorrow though. Also hopefully Shapelog will have answered my question by then. | ||
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Reply to Trfel, and call out noon for not fully answering my question. On January 28 2016 18:07 Trfel wrote: I mean, I may be lousy at interacting with people, but believe it or not I do have some analysis ability, enough to talk about reads  I mean, I was going to save this for later, but maybe it's just best to share it now. I don't know why people are townreading Alur, and I think there's a fair chance that he is mafia. His posting doesn't feel very involved. It feels like he's staying under the radar, and he's not driving things forward. I don't see him driving things forward from his perspective, either. His reads don't match well. One example of this is how he started by saying that he thinks it's wrong to townread Kuragari42, but doesn't say that he is scum. Then he says that Kuragari42 and I (Trfel) are his top scum reads, and then says that maybe Onegu is a bit scummy. And then votes for Kuragari42 over Onegu (no mention of me). The big thing is that he's been very under the radar since he started being townread. I think that PepperMintTea is town and always have. I've generally found PepperMintTea's posts quite insightful, particularly the early read on Shapelog (the nervous/anxious thing, that's an emotion I've commonly felt as town). Generally, players who post actually insightful info and seem to be putting out their own thoughts to solve the game are just town. I'm surprised you don't know why people are leaning town on me, because a number of people have stated their reasons explicitly. Darthfoley - liked my pressure on you (didn't explicit say townlean, but it's reasonable to interpret it as such). Ikidormari - Gives a number of reasons in his entrypost. Shapelog - Believes I'm actively solving the game and paying attention (#456) Tumblewood - In (#581) he explains how he think's I'm the most motivated for finding scum You are of course free to disagree with them, or want them to elaborate, or ask for the opinions of players who have not made reads on me. But to say that you don't know why people are townreading me, once again makes me think that you're not very intent on reading the thread. The biggest reason why I voted Kuragari over you or Onegu, is that my reads on Onegu and you, were at that point influenced by others players reads (people had called you out for only spamming questions, and Onegu for being unhelpful and making absolutist statements). The only scumreads where I can be sure my opinion is not influenced by other peoples ulterior motives, is one that I made by myself (which is the scumcase agaisn't Kuragari, that I initiated, even though 2 players had slightly townread him). I also hope that you don't base your read too much on the fact that I live in Europe. To noon My question was twofold, while your answer regarding your "next-level read" on me made some sense (vague paranoia seems like a townie trait, since town players are inherently suspicious of other, due to lack of info). You didn't answer my question regarding the progression of your read on Trfel. Why does Trfel "look solid to you"? What specifically makes you think that? | ||
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On January 29 2016 00:48 Kuragari42 wrote: But.. I think that any mafia would consider NK'ing Eden, probably Darth as well. This really has little indication of your alignment. Not to mention that the doc in this game might change up the NK a bit. Rofl. What doc? How can you be sure this is setup A) or C)? | ||
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If you're town lynching you is always bad. "I'm probably the weakest player in this game, so feel free to lynch me for that reason" is a turn off. In addition to that, you asked for definitions of certain mafia terms. These terms were used from the very beginning of the thread. If you didn't understand them as you read through the thread initially, and you didn't bother to look them up or ask about their meaning asap, it looks like you're not that interested in understanding the game. In any case I think a tryhard newb townie looks up terms on his own. | ||
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It's not something to scumread a person on exclusively, but it's something I took note of. | ||
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