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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 20 2016 23:10 GMT
#1299
Alright going to sleep for real now, good night!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 11:13 GMT
#1552
On January 21 2016 19:47 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 19:19 Palmar wrote:
And no, I'm not wrong on both of them. There's definitely at least 1 mafia in there

Can you explain your read on Rels. You might have already I can't remember. But he was one of the few folks I was pretty sure wasn't town. Basically over doing 'active' stuff but pretty much doing nothing

Are you going to be the same pain in the ass than in the personality game ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 11:14 GMT
#1553
Catching up now.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 11:16 GMT
#1554
On January 21 2016 08:17 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 08:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'd rather be cooperative than get a gun but I do want a gun lol


Moriarty is a pretty bad-ass dude. Not sure if you're up for the challenge.

hahaha
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 11:19 GMT
#1555
On January 21 2016 08:32 Breshke wrote:
super weak trust is better than no trust at all.

Also I understand kei's frustration not sure it is alignment indicative though

Kind of bothers me that rels was all ancy about me picking watson because he thought i was scum then Palmar tells me to pick holmes and he is fine with that plan although still thinks im scum.

Actually I think it's great (= that role is useless to scum. If you lie you get lynched. As long as you tell the truth you live and you confirm people. Pretty cool!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 11:22 GMT
#1556
On January 21 2016 08:55 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 08:55 sicklucker wrote:
On January 21 2016 08:54 Palmar wrote:
I should just stick with my earlier plan of picking puppeteer so I have someone friendly and smart to talk to.


plummer i thought you liked me =[

you're friendly yes.

LOL
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 11:36 GMT
#1558
OK caught up. First thing (shamelessly stolen from disfo + completed):

+ Show Spoiler [role list] +

1. Keirathi - house
2. Superbia - CPR doc
3. ObiWanShinobi - Nigella
4. Rels - Captain Malcolm
5. Palmar - arrow
6. geript - link
7. Breshke - holmes
8. Koshi - Werner von braun
9. Cephiro - dreamflower
10. kitaman27 - Dr. Sy N. Tist
11. Vivax - ???
12. Tictock - Mysterious challenger (???)
13. disformation - Watson
14. Fecalfeast - Moriarty
15. Damdred - doc
16. AlotSomuch - kitaman27
17. VayneAuthority - hero
18. The Shining - TTV
19. Onegu - ???
20. Sicklucker - ???
21. Copcake - Mysterious challenger (???)
22. GlowingBear - Flowey


Copcake said she was randomed a role so I assume it means she got a mysterious challenger.

If your role was stolen you need to claim it now. If you claim that after D1 we will lynch you first to check.

These person need to claim what role they got:
11. Vivax - ???
12. Tictock - Mysterious challenger (???)
19. Onegu - ???
20. Sicklucker - ???
21. Copcake - Mysterious challenger (???)
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 11:47 GMT
#1559
Now there are a few things super good about some scummy people:

Cephiro is dreamflower. So we treat him as town unless we find out he's actually not. He WILL die at some point if the game lasts too long anyway.

Damdred is doc, which is perfect. That means that if he's scum and he heals a townies, he has a chance to die immediately. So we should track him to see who he visits; if he visits a townie, it's a strong town indicator. If we find out he's scum later in the game, the people he visited have a super good chance to be his scum partners.

Breshke is Holmes. So even if he's scum, he cannot lie without dying next. With the other tools we have, we can even find out check a claim without wasting a lynch.

Now all of this is based on the fact that I believe those people picked those specific roles. They are all good rolechecks if they are both alive and still scummy later in the game.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 11:52 GMT
#1560
I think GB is town, because I don't think scum would forget to send a pick number during the first phase. And there might be a simple way to check that.
GB claimed to have picked Flowey. Now Flowey is not a super good role, especially for scum. I think being the last pick as scum, GB would actually pick an super good role left unchecked. So we should rolecheck him; if he's not Flowey, he lied and we kill him. EZ
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 11:57 GMT
#1561
Gonna grab some lunch, then I will see who I want to lynch today. Having so much info only 12 hours into the day is soooo cool! Before filtering, I would lynch Vivax, Onegu (for both: kinda useless during the first phases, didn't cooperate during the number pick phase, didn't cooperate during the role pick phase and we don't know what they picked) and AlotSomuch (useless but trying to be nice). We'll see if that changes after I read their filters. (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 12:47 GMT
#1563
On January 21 2016 21:39 Koshi wrote:
I have never been in a game with less info than this one.

That's because you're a flower.
Yep, cannot use curse words anymore.
Like for example I've thought of something: Damdred is 99% town. He had the opportunity to pick Nigella at the end of the role pick phase, when OWS finally accepted to let him pick that: but he agreed to pick doc, when doc is a super bad role for scum 'cause if they heal a townie, they have a chance to die instantly. On the other hand, Nigella might not be super strong in scum's hands, but it's way better than doc.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 12:57 GMT
#1566
disfo gonna filter Alot Onegu and Vivax wanna do this with me ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 12:57 GMT
#1567
Palmar you're welcome to join too.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 13:16 GMT
#1573
So. AlotSoMuch is scum.

1. He doesn't care about the game and is just going along. Scum will either do this to not attract attention, or they will try to subtly manipulate town to gain an advantage. Alot is doing the former.
Here is what I'm talking about:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 20 2016 03:05 AlotSomuch wrote:
I have arrived. Skimmed through everything, tried to take note of non-mechanics discussion and failed for the most part, so no reads at this point, especially considering I know like none of you. Such is life. I put in for number 7 last night when I got my PM, which I think someone said they Might be going for but could go for a different one?

On January 20 2016 03:12 AlotSomuch wrote:
Guess I'll take 11.1 then.

On January 20 2016 09:52 AlotSomuch wrote:
I picked 11.1, just like I said I would.

On January 21 2016 01:02 AlotSomuch wrote:
Let me know what role to pick.
[...]
Just here for role madness fun and to shake off the rust.

On January 21 2016 04:50 AlotSomuch wrote:
I'm fine with Kitaman27.
/approved

On January 21 2016 09:43 AlotSomuch wrote:
I successfully got my assigned role. Going out for happy hour drinks, be back later.

Absolutely no involvement in town's plan. I can understand this for the number picking stuff (just picking the next free number), but he also doesn't care about what role he gets. It's not a role he chose, it an "assigned" role, like he himself call it.


2. He got his number ninja'd by VA, but he doesn't care about it
Here is his reaction:
On January 20 2016 09:40 AlotSomuch wrote:
I don't really mind being assigned a role. Apparently Vayne thought I was scummy and knocked me down from number 11 to 16...so...well done Vayne?

Then nothing. No trying to know why VA did it, no trying to see if VA is scum targetting an easy target, or if he's town targetting his scumread.

3. Excuses. Scum love them excuses.
On January 20 2016 03:05 AlotSomuch wrote:
I have arrived. Skimmed through everything, tried to take note of non-mechanics discussion and failed for the most part, so no reads at this point, especially considering I know like none of you. Such is life. I put in for number 7 last night when I got my PM, which I think someone said they Might be going for but could go for a different one?

On January 21 2016 01:02 AlotSomuch wrote:
Let me know what role to pick. I'm at work but have internet access all through the day, just won't be on every minute. I'm not going to be a high volume poster and I have trouble telling alot of you apart right now, as the names just blur together on my readthroughs. I also don't have much experience with multiple mafia teams, especially at such a high ratio, so like someone said, I'm assuming for 1/3 posters is posting with mafia motivation. I admit I don't have much to contribute at this point since I don't have any ideas which people are being difficult for reasons and which are doing it because they are stubborn/really just want to be a certain role.

Just here for role madness fun and to shake off the rust.


4. The famous scum defense
On January 21 2016 12:59 AlotSomuch wrote:
Yes I have not been an active poster, but others have done the same with less content and/or actually been scummy.
[...]
I don't expect a townread on me, but to actually suggest trying to lynch me day1 when I have an investigative role that can be used as directed tonight or later and with there being much shakier people seems odd and suspicious.

I have no comments about the role picking and such, but while I think Kitoman's points about using the extra investigative roles were good, the tone I got off his responses struck me as non-town. Dunno.

WHY AM I BEING SCUMREAD WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING THE SAME THING
LOOK AT THEM THEY ARE BEING SCUMMY TOO
He doesn't name who he's talking about. Then he says kita might be scum; if kita is scum, it's obviously not for behaving like AlotSomuch.

AlotSoMuch: who are you talking about when you say "others have done the same with less content and/or actually been scummy." ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 13:21 GMT
#1579
Palmar, kita is never mafia with the amount of organizing he's done (tier list + completing your plan). And if he is, he's getting killed anyway.
Will read Vivax filter then see what you wrote.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 13:26 GMT
#1584
On January 21 2016 22:23 Palmar wrote:
Like for me to believe Kita is town, I have to believe Kita is a dumbass. I don't think Kita is a dumbass.

But you're a dumbass too, he made a lot of sense when he said FFA players should also pick roles so we're sure we have no overlap. You saying he sabotaged your plan was super wrong.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 13:27 GMT
#1586
On January 21 2016 22:25 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 22:23 Koshi wrote:
disformation,

Because if we lynch VA he can pick somebody who voted on him. Imo everybody should vote for him.

Maybe my 3 hours of sleep and the 5 cups of coffee are talking here, but I don't understand your line of thinking here.
You think he is 100% town and should decide the lynch alone? Oo

++ WTF, if you think he's shady and want to remove his protection, it's useless 'cause we've got other ways to kill people than lynch
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 13:31 GMT
#1587
Yep Vivax is scum too. Palmar is right when he said Vivax posted for the sake of posting D0. Gonna repeat what I said above 'cause it's all true:
=> didn't cooperate
==> for the number pick, he targetted kita without an explanation when Palmar was the first to attack him for the same reason
==> for the role pick, we still don't know what he chose
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 13:36 GMT
#1593
On January 21 2016 22:31 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2016 22:26 Rels wrote:
On January 21 2016 22:23 Palmar wrote:
Like for me to believe Kita is town, I have to believe Kita is a dumbass. I don't think Kita is a dumbass.

But you're a dumbass too, he made a lot of sense when he said FFA players should also pick roles so we're sure we have no overlap. You saying he sabotaged your plan was super wrong.

yeah but that completely makes my plan useless because then we have no checks on mafia.

But I'm not here to argue about the plan. The point is, I think he is mafia. The plan thing is very minor.

I think his read progress on Vivax wasn't genuine.
I think there is a disconnect between his initial role list contribution and his actual followup to that.
I think there is no way he genuinely believes I'm mafia
I think his filter is too short.
I don't particularly think he has been very useful in figuring out mafia.

Pretty sure you're wrong.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 21 2016 13:37 GMT
#1594
On January 21 2016 22:32 disformation wrote:
Bleh, Breshke's filter is pretty stale...
Mostly NAI setup stuff, here and there a line or question that could be nice, but don't see those going anywhere. I like that he was trying to make the detective trio happen.

I'd like Breshke to be town so we can out-rap scum together.
+ Show Spoiler +

So I am slightly biased, but I want to see some reads and stuff.

Yep but all of this doesn't matter 'cause he's Sherlock (= he just checks someone every night: he lies we kill him, he doesn't lie we get checks. (=
Onto Onegu now!
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