Pick Your Power: Intriguing - Page 15

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:16 GMT

#5442

On February 04 2016 04:58 Superbia wrote:
TT you need to do your action on The Shining before EoD in case we still want to go through with SL's plan btw.

I have no more Bans left, you guys are high.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:18 GMT

#5443

On February 04 2016 04:56 The Shining wrote:

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He was one of my two poe scum but he's progressively gotten more townie this day, where Superbia hasnt. Regardless of whatever SL has against me, which he's made abundantly clear multiple times this game, I like the way he's been looking at you and Super objectively. Normally I'd find all the flopping questionable but this is basically mylo and he's not just pulling out random speculations. He's reading filters, using meta, revisiting things that were already saidd today. He's basically doing everything I would expect him to do as town, even if I don't really don't like the way he's gone about me.

Dam you for being so to the point and reasonable.

It both makes me think I'm completely right that you are town, but at the same time super paranoid that you are just telling me what I want to hear...

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:21 GMT

#5446

On February 04 2016 05:16 The Shining wrote:

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On February 04 2016 05:07 Tictock wrote:
WoT, but I'm not gunna let it blow up the page.

Still smaller than the last one.

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On February 02 2016 08:39 The Shining wrote:
I knew Cop was scum. Good shyt.

Wifom but Palmar was tring me, I'd never shoot him as scum.

I was roleblocked. And I'd honestly probably sheep TT on Super. It's definitely one of Super/SL. The no concession means last scum is townread heavily. That's obviously not me. Lynching me today is stupid, I am town and won't be the reason we lose, Fuck that.

Fairly Meh, I'm not sure I believe there is any real passion behind that last line.

On February 02 2016 08:43 The Shining wrote:

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There is 1 scum left. If we sleep, there would be 1 NK if you don't shoot and 3 left tomorrow with 1 scum. How is that a loss?

This I totally agree with, actually there's a few good questions here in his filter I like.

On February 02 2016 08:56 The Shining wrote:
Whichever one of you is town is a flower and the other is happy scum. Good shit.

Its probably super and if we mislynch, the game is over because he won't protect the person he's shooting. Or if by some magic he's town, he'd have to protect the person scum is shooting, which won't happen bcuz they just shoot him. Stupid. Mislynch = loss.

This is what I have been saying but this looks like Shining isn't just straight parroting or anything here. Not sure if the slight misconception about Super's role means anything, but it is consistent with how Shining has gotten role stuff mixed up a little before (mostly with my Ban on damdred, and a little on it last night).

On February 02 2016 09:00 The Shining wrote:

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The safe scum play is to agree with my ml since he'd know I'm not scum, not try to target and case one of the townread players in the thread. His reads on disfo and rels were also pretty good and when I get a chance, I'll re-read his filter but I know my alignment and this is enough to think he isn't scum.

If he was scum, he lynches the easiest town to lynch, like you and SL are trying to do. Not defend me last day phase and continue to do so and case you at eon.

Again, this post is pretty on point. It could be he is just rolling with the fact that I've hard townread him most of the game. Biggest thing to me is just that he is looking at things from multiple points of view.

Yea I don't wanna quote everypost, but I agree with all the points TS is bringing up in #5045, #5098, #5100.

Kinda Meh about this post too.

On February 02 2016 11:11 The Shining wrote:
Whoever thinks I'm scum should also really tell me what team I'm on. I've wanted Cop dead forever. I tried to get Rels lynched before anyone off of what I thought was a slip(his protect list). I was all in for the double scum flip. Like srsly there is no world I'm scum in this game

On the one hand I agree with it as my earlier filter dives showed pushes and scumreads on the right people and enough that they had to have come from different teams.

Then again if scum TS would be aware that his filter supports that.

Eh still more towny imo, this is a hard enough game without scum selling out their own team.

On February 02 2016 11:25 The Shining wrote:

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NOT IF YOU'RE BANKING ON COP BEING THE OTHER MAFIA. I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS TOO

Idk this response feels real.

On February 02 2016 11:27 The Shining wrote:

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This Is correct. Unless you think Super Is town and trust his shot. But that's the worst end game ever and he isn't town anyway

Ok Last post kus I'm almost at the present.

Here is what bugs me at this point. Shining is talking to SL like he is town, he TR's me, and he agrees with basically everything I posted EoN onwards. In fact it's hard for me to really get a full sense of TS's own thoughts becasue I'm just seeing a lot of my own points coming from him.

It's also weird to me that Shining hasn't voted if he's as convinced that Super is scum as he seemed to be in that last post.

At worst though this still just leaves me uneasy, but leaning town on Shining. I've been hoping to see more clear thought and effort from him though, given we are at endgame here.

I voted this morning

Why did you wait?

I kinda expected you to vote right off to show you still had one.

Ofc then I realized we don't get notified if your vote is exempt till EoD anyways.

Thanks to my shitty role.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:23 GMT

#5450

On February 04 2016 05:20 The Shining wrote:

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He's apparently been through my filter and recent posts multiple times. He had ample opportunity to flop his read on me, ML and win the game as scum.

This hard core, also I've tried multiple times to straight 1v1 Super which I would never do as scum.

It's also why I don't think SL is scum because he has a much easier path to the win by joining in my push than to do what he is doing here.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:27 GMT

#5451

On February 04 2016 05:23 sicklucker wrote:
shining tt still might be mafia. like his only way to win is to hard town read you and get super lynched. so I hope you realize this

I do, when I started trolling yesterday it was kus I felt like I needed to see more posts from him to see if he was just riding along with me.

It's still a definite possibility, but he just gave a solid TR on you.

So congrats SL you are confirmed town.

I'd like you to compare TS's TR on you vs what Super has been saying though and give me your opinion.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:30 GMT

#5452

On February 04 2016 05:21 sicklucker wrote:
Ticktock if shining acepted your roleblock hes roleblocked tonight not last night correct? Or am i wrong

I banned him last Day phase.

So he has a choice last night to take a RB for that night, or to loose his vote today. (or #3 that doesn't matter kus it didn't happen)

That is over and done for. Only person who has role abilities or actions of any kind is Super.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:31 GMT

#5454

So no, there is no more RB at all this game.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:33 GMT

#5457

On February 04 2016 05:30 sicklucker wrote:

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I dont buy that. you might be honest but as scum its your only way to win and if you were scum you would have to do that or concede

I am honest as either alignment, I also don't think I'd be so willing to lock myself into a 1v1 like this as scum.

But then again this is a unique situation, probably smart to not take my word at face value.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:35 GMT

#5458

On February 04 2016 05:31 sicklucker wrote:

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so your saying shining is not even roleblocked tonight? and you guys both (ticktick super) didnt point this out even tho it could be throwing the game? great

Dude I explained how my role works several times, it's not my fault you refuse to read the OP to figure this shit out yourself and get it mixed up.

Him being RB'd never factored into anything I posted either, so idk why you made that assumption.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:41 GMT

#5462

On February 04 2016 05:33 sicklucker wrote:
And i was leaning to vote super too. but now I have to go for the two for one deal again. sucks man

I'm not sure why Shining not being RB's makes that much difference.

These have pretty much been the options all along today.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:43 GMT

#5464

On February 04 2016 05:38 sicklucker wrote:
Ticktock I asked you to check out supers night 2 missing kp/rb.

Super I asked you to see if any mafia had a power to know TT;s alignment because FF or kita called TT mafia right before they flipped. Maybe shining can do this if hes around?

FF called me mafia with Kita, iirc.

What about super's N2?

He claims to have shot at me, but GB RB'd him. I can verify that is exactly what happened because I was RB'd by the Vanilla Virus N3 and that is the only way i could have been RB'd that night.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:47 GMT

#5467

On February 04 2016 05:41 The Shining wrote:

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This is a good point but then I fall back to a world where there is no way a scum QT allows this to even be a possibility. Scum never shoots town Palmar with no useful night actions vs Superbia. Scum never leaves town with a CPR Doc with an extra kp to solve the game by auto or a possible protection if they stack on the CPR target.

I am convinced there is no world where townSuper doesn't die last night phase.

I also really agree with this.

None of the 3 of us as scum take the chance of leaving town!Super alive in the game for this...

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:51 GMT

#5470

On February 04 2016 05:46 The Shining wrote:

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This one

Interesting, do you think FF and Dis would have faked their interactions if they were scum?

I recall FF pleading with Dis to tell him his sanity, and Dis made a point of asking if he should give out the sanity of Moriarty or not. Not really sure that all would happen if they were scum buddies.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 20:52 GMT

#5471

Actually n/m, that's not terribly relevant unless we are trying to piece together teams again.

also I'm pretty set in the teams I suggested earlier, so meh.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 21:08 GMT

#5477

You know I just started thinking... Super was accusing me of pre-planning my push on him today, while it's obv true that I was scumreading him last night I'm wondering if he is projecting a little there.

Kus Super was really admanet about nobody discussing things at night, he claims it was because he wanted to trick scum into letting him live today but that doesn't really make a lot of sense. It's also odd that super wasn't worried AT ALL about dying last night, he told everyone to post their thoughts and EoN, but nobody but me did so.

If anyone should have been super paranoid about getting killed last night it should have been Super, but if he was considering that he prob would have posted something right?

Then I started wondering that what if Super was planning to kill palmar, shoot Cake, and then ride the TR from palmar and cred from Cake to the win?

Since I was obviously right about Cake, and made that post that cased her hard I think it's pretty likely that if she was mafia by herself (I think she was) she simply didn't bother to submit a kill. It even makes sense if they were on the same team. Cake was never not getting killed, so Super shoots her for cred in this cluster-endgame.

Super's whole argument about the auto was probably pre-planned and he's just siding with SL while letting Palmar's scumreads duel it out.

Sorry I know I'm out in the deep end again, but it makes sense.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 21:10 GMT

#5479

On February 04 2016 05:54 sicklucker wrote:
Like I wantes to know if it was possible FF checked TT or whoever. like was there a missing check and enough nights?

He only even got one check, kus he was lynched D2. Idk how you intend to find anything to back this up though.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 21:16 GMT

#5481

On February 04 2016 06:09 sicklucker wrote:
If ticktock is town its because he preemptively made this theory without knowing what the nks would be. It kind of makes sense for him ot keep going with tihs theory even if there some holes in it because "the nk proved him right in his mind" right? he predicted it right? why would a town ever waver after that

This would fall apart in the case on me being scum with Cake though. Kus then I have all the knowledge I need to make that post.

I'm not scum though, so God Reads!

Also just kus, I also made these god reads D3.

On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this.

I'm pretty sure these people are town:
13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler +

Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.

D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him

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15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler +

not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him

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17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler +

gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though

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These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today
21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler +

gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role.

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22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler +

Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1

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12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler +

Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences.

I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town.

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5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +

I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?

Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.

Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here.

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Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this.

1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler +

Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.

Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.

At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads.

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3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler +

I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.

Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for

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4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler +

honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.

This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"

I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down.

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So yea, feeling pretty good about where my head has been at this game.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 21:18 GMT

#5483

On February 04 2016 06:14 sicklucker wrote:
acualy its just so far fetch. like tmi but hoe could he have predicted the situation ? THERES NO WAY TICKTOCKS THIS GOOD

Sorry, post game will verify that I am in fact that good.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 21:20 GMT

#5484

And yea that post from Super made no sense to me, his numbers are all wrong and he's talking as though they (Shining, who he is talking to, and himself) are both scum in his mind.

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

February 03 2016 21:31 GMT

#5491

SL I still think Super is the last scum here. I know I could be wrong and TS is just saying what I want to hear to keep me from tinfoiling him too much, as things stand right now though he's not winning as scum and he doesn't seem too bothered by that, so idk.

I still believe in the associations I did last night though?

Like right now I see this game as: Sicklucker, The Shining, Superbia

You can tinfoil all you want that I'm not good enough to have made the reads I have this game, but then I would have bussed my entire team over the past few days.

I have to leave really soon, and I'm gunna leave my vote where it is.

It's gunna be your call if you should lynch Super or sleep.

If we lynch Super and lose to a scum TS, I'm clearly to blame for the loss.

If we no lynch and lose to a scum Super I'm probably gunna hold it over you for awhile.

If you all lynch me while I'm gone, I'll just feel bad, but less so if Super is scum.

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