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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 20:04 GMT
#5427
On February 04 2016 04:42 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 04:39 The Shining wrote:
On February 04 2016 04:30 Superbia wrote:
I have shown with absolute perfect logic that if I was in the scum position last night, no-shooting is super insanely bad.

But let's just ignore it.


Or you stacked on Palmar and are now using the no shoot excuse. You even encouraged Palmar to not post during the night phase.


This is so backwards. You've been pushing me for no-shooting.

I agree that a stack on Palmar was likely if you're town because I don't think a team of 2 with copcake +1 is likely. I also explained that TT would have likely not held his shot due to his EoN post.

Also I specifically told Palmar to leave a legacy at EoN.


What I meant by no shoot excuse is the logic you used to defend that you would not no shoot. Yes I believed you could and would still no shoot to frame me but it's also possible you just stacked on Palmar and used the missing kp to push me anyway.

Yes you said leave a legacy but you also explicitly discouraged discussion multiple times, essentially allowing the last scum to hide and not have to post anything. You as scum would have the most to gain from that.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 20:07 GMT
#5429
On February 04 2016 04:58 Superbia wrote:
TT you need to do your action on The Shining before EoD in case we still want to go through with SL's plan btw.


Still trying to keep your auto intact, I see.

It's pretty awesome that I keep getting called useless but no one has read my Damn posts and hasn't figured out THAT TTS ROLE IS TWO SHOT AND HE ALREADY BANNED TWICE. DAMDRED AND ME.

Add that to reasons I don't think you're town.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 20:14 GMT
#5439
On February 04 2016 05:03 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 06:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
TT + Kita are a team so that's handy


shit I forgot about this. super use your time to see if any mafia in this game had the power to alignment check tt or whatever


Scum investigative roles went to Kita, FF and Disfo. Kita outed FF and died same day as him. It was brought up that Moriarty FF and Watson Disfo were on the same team and killed Breshke to protect their checks. Watson would get the sanity on Breshke Holmes and FF Moriarty and the alignment checks, not who, but if FF and Disfo were scum together, FF would share his checks with his qt, most likely. If they got a scum check on TT, they would've pushed it.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 20:16 GMT
#5441
On February 04 2016 05:07 Tictock wrote:
WoT, but I'm not gunna let it blow up the page.

Still smaller than the last one.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 02 2016 08:39 The Shining wrote:
I knew Cop was scum. Good shyt.

Wifom but Palmar was tring me, I'd never shoot him as scum.

I was roleblocked. And I'd honestly probably sheep TT on Super. It's definitely one of Super/SL. The no concession means last scum is townread heavily. That's obviously not me. Lynching me today is stupid, I am town and won't be the reason we lose, Fuck that.


Fairly Meh, I'm not sure I believe there is any real passion behind that last line.

On February 02 2016 08:43 The Shining wrote:
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On February 02 2016 08:41 Superbia wrote:
Right. The town between you two will need to realize that the only way we have a chance to lose this game is if we sleep or lynch me. But whatever, we'll get there tomorrow.


There is 1 scum left. If we sleep, there would be 1 NK if you don't shoot and 3 left tomorrow with 1 scum. How is that a loss?


This I totally agree with, actually there's a few good questions here in his filter I like.

On February 02 2016 08:56 The Shining wrote:
Whichever one of you is town is a flower and the other is happy scum. Good shit.

Its probably super and if we mislynch, the game is over because he won't protect the person he's shooting. Or if by some magic he's town, he'd have to protect the person scum is shooting, which won't happen bcuz they just shoot him. Stupid. Mislynch = loss.


This is what I have been saying but this looks like Shining isn't just straight parroting or anything here. Not sure if the slight misconception about Super's role means anything, but it is consistent with how Shining has gotten role stuff mixed up a little before (mostly with my Ban on damdred, and a little on it last night).

On February 02 2016 09:00 The Shining wrote:
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On February 02 2016 08:57 Superbia wrote:
Why is it not TT, the shining?


The safe scum play is to agree with my ml since he'd know I'm not scum, not try to target and case one of the townread players in the thread. His reads on disfo and rels were also pretty good and when I get a chance, I'll re-read his filter but I know my alignment and this is enough to think he isn't scum.

If he was scum, he lynches the easiest town to lynch, like you and SL are trying to do. Not defend me last day phase and continue to do so and case you at eon.


Again, this post is pretty on point. It could be he is just rolling with the fact that I've hard townread him most of the game. Biggest thing to me is just that he is looking at things from multiple points of view.

Yea I don't wanna quote everypost, but I agree with all the points TS is bringing up in #5045, #5098, #5100.

Kinda Meh about this post too.
On February 02 2016 11:11 The Shining wrote:
Whoever thinks I'm scum should also really tell me what team I'm on. I've wanted Cop dead forever. I tried to get Rels lynched before anyone off of what I thought was a slip(his protect list). I was all in for the double scum flip. Like srsly there is no world I'm scum in this game


On the one hand I agree with it as my earlier filter dives showed pushes and scumreads on the right people and enough that they had to have come from different teams.

Then again if scum TS would be aware that his filter supports that.

Eh still more towny imo, this is a hard enough game without scum selling out their own team.

On February 02 2016 11:25 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 11:15 Superbia wrote:
On February 02 2016 11:08 The Shining wrote:
TTs ability is also 2 shot. Damdred me. He can't do it again.

I also already explained why scumSuper would no shoot last night as well. Knows I'm rb. Has 2 kp so only uses one, puts the missing one blame on me.


IF IM MAFIA I DONT NO-SHOOT. ITS FUCKING HORRIBLE BECAUSE IF YOURE THE OTHER MAFIA TOWN GAINS ANOTHER LYNCH.


NOT IF YOU'RE BANKING ON COP BEING THE OTHER MAFIA. I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS TOO


Idk this response feels real.

On February 02 2016 11:27 The Shining wrote:
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On February 02 2016 11:24 sicklucker wrote:
If im understanding the situation correctly. IF you both vote super I have no choice to vote him anyway. Because if we mislynch we lose, and if we sleep super wins


This Is correct. Unless you think Super Is town and trust his shot. But that's the worst end game ever and he isn't town anyway


Ok Last post kus I'm almost at the present.

Here is what bugs me at this point. Shining is talking to SL like he is town, he TR's me, and he agrees with basically everything I posted EoN onwards. In fact it's hard for me to really get a full sense of TS's own thoughts becasue I'm just seeing a lot of my own points coming from him.

It's also weird to me that Shining hasn't voted if he's as convinced that Super is scum as he seemed to be in that last post.

At worst though this still just leaves me uneasy, but leaning town on Shining. I've been hoping to see more clear thought and effort from him though, given we are at endgame here.



I voted this morning
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 20:20 GMT
#5445
On February 04 2016 05:08 sicklucker wrote:
Man if ticktock is scum he bussed so hard. but his motivations today are scummy because if hes scum he has to get super lynched


He's apparently been through my filter and recent posts multiple times. He had ample opportunity to flop his read on me, ML and win the game as scum.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 20:41 GMT
#5463
On February 04 2016 05:22 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 05:20 The Shining wrote:
On February 04 2016 05:08 sicklucker wrote:
Man if ticktock is scum he bussed so hard. but his motivations today are scummy because if hes scum he has to get super lynched


He's apparently been through my filter and recent posts multiple times. He had ample opportunity to flop his read on me, ML and win the game as scum.


no dude your wrong. super has a gun. if your lynched super shoots ticktock everytime


This is a good point but then I fall back to a world where there is no way a scum QT allows this to even be a possibility. Scum never shoots town Palmar with no useful night actions vs Superbia. Scum never leaves town with a CPR Doc with an extra kp to solve the game by auto or a possible protection if they stack on the CPR target.

I am convinced there is no world where townSuper doesn't die last night phase.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 20:46 GMT
#5465
On February 04 2016 05:38 sicklucker wrote:
Ticktock I asked you to check out supers night 2 missing kp/rb.

Super I asked you to see if any mafia had a power to know TT;s alignment because FF or kita called TT mafia right before they flipped. Maybe shining can do this if hes around?




Read my recent posts. I made a post about the scum investigative roles
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 20:46 GMT
#5466
On February 04 2016 05:14 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 05:03 sicklucker wrote:
On January 26 2016 06:02 Fecalfeast wrote:
TT + Kita are a team so that's handy


shit I forgot about this. super use your time to see if any mafia in this game had the power to alignment check tt or whatever


Scum investigative roles went to Kita, FF and Disfo. Kita outed FF and died same day as him. It was brought up that Moriarty FF and Watson Disfo were on the same team and killed Breshke to protect their checks. Watson would get the sanity on Breshke Holmes and FF Moriarty and the alignment checks, not who, but if FF and Disfo were scum together, FF would share his checks with his qt, most likely. If they got a scum check on TT, they would've pushed it.


This one
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 20:59 GMT
#5476
On February 04 2016 05:54 sicklucker wrote:
Like I wantes to know if it was possible FF checked TT or whoever. like was there a missing check and enough nights?


Breshke died n1, no check there. FF was told his sanity was the one that didn't give alignments but told him what mc role was in the game. Kitas check n1 was FF. Both died d2. So no I don't think TT was ever redchecked
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 21:30 GMT
#5490
On February 04 2016 06:28 sicklucker wrote:
Shining and super really need to batlle it out here. I do have the hammer you know..

reading some more probably supers filter again to remind me hes probably town


Lol you are waffling all over the place. Do what you need to do but I'm sure TT is right and so am I. And Super ditched the thread right when I got to work and started posting more. So Idk what I'm supposed to battle out here.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 22:13 GMT
#5509
On February 04 2016 06:50 sicklucker wrote:
Like if we lose because I vote you here shining your equally responsible dont think otherwise


Not at all. You've played with me more than enough times, including my last scum game because you were scum with me, to be able to accurately read me and know what I'm doing and the motivation behind my posts. You vote me, it's all on you and I will never let you say otherwise.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 22:20 GMT
#5514
On February 04 2016 06:54 sicklucker wrote:
Shinings entire reason to townread TT is because hes not voting shining and thats false logic. and I dont think your trying to think about it since I told you thats not true?

Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 09:00 The Shining wrote:
On February 02 2016 08:57 Superbia wrote:
Why is it not TT, the shining?


The safe scum play is to agree with my ml since he'd know I'm not scum, not try to target and case one of the townread players in the thread. His reads on disfo and rels were also pretty good and when I get a chance, I'll re-read his filter but I know my alignment and this is enough to think he isn't scum.

If he was scum, he lynches the easiest town to lynch, like you and SL are trying to do. Not defend me last day phase and continue to do so and case you at eon.



It's part of my town read on him but I already responded to you about this,I said it was a good point but it doesn't explain why scum lets a CPR Doc live until endgame. You just have a really annoying way of literally reading none of my posts.

I also think TTs posting and cases have a lot of sense behind them and his reads have been pretty good. I have trouble believing he flawlessly bussed multiple members of his team this game if he were scum. His WOTs this phase are very sensical and easy to follow and points that I actually agree with about Super. Super has WoTs that are unclear, hedge a lot and have no concise aim. They're just there to distract and use singular points of logic to defend himself instead of looking at the entire game to find scum.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 22:22 GMT
#5516
On February 04 2016 07:16 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think i was scum with you


Battle Of The Drams. Me, you, Rels. We conceded. I did absolutely nothing that game and the second I was scummed, I afkd. I'm flattered if you think I can magically change that from one scum game to the next.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 22:24 GMT
#5517
On February 04 2016 07:15 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 20:30 Tictock wrote:
Lol yea.

There is always the chance that I'm off the mark here still.

Even at this stage of the game there is a ton of moving pieces and I'm sure I'm missing or not properly accounting for something.

The only thing that worries me a little is that I've been fairly adamant about TRing SL and TS and if I've been wrong one of you could be trying to take advantage of that.

Still though I really think Kita/Rels/Dis/Cake was a team, and I have fairly good reasons to think SL and TS were not on a team with Onegu while having some evidence of associations between Super and FF/Onegu.

I'm also not sure why nobody shot Super if he is town.


i agree that it was rels/dis/cake vs ff/onegu and one of super and the shining. super makes sense but why cant it be the shining? They both took 6.1 from me and purposely tanked there number pick


Where do kita and vivax end up then? And you're still salty about the number thing lol I gave you ample time to change and I wasn't TRing you yet.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 22:28 GMT
#5518
On February 04 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 07:20 sicklucker wrote:
On February 02 2016 22:59 Superbia wrote:
On February 02 2016 22:58 sicklucker wrote:
You literraly have put zero effort into helping me figure out which one of them is the last mafia. Your like oh haha lets kill both. Well we can only kill one because we are probably sleeping


My best play is to convince the town between them to stop being an idiot.

I'm going to talk to both of them when they get back, but I think TT went to bed.


you never really tried to do this tho i think?


I honestly tried with TT. The Shining is a brick wall.


I usually am when I think I know who the last scum is in endgame. In 3 different endgames, I've cased 3 scum and gotten 2 of them lynched and won. Was NKd and someone threw the other, but I cased the right one. Here, I haven't had the time to make a case but my conviction is no less certain.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 22:36 GMT
#5527
On February 04 2016 07:08 Superbia wrote:
If we're no-lynching I'm not shooting. You guys can figure it out tomorrow then.


And this coupled with his other posts is so scummy. You are stuck voting me and you have a shot. If you really are town with kp and think I'm scum, you'd shoot me tonight. Not no shoot. You're wavering on TT hard without any real explanation but are staying locked in on your vote on me and calling me a brick wall because I won't case my town reads. You did the same thing to TT.

Now you're appealing to SL. You have no direction here. You are scum.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 22:38 GMT
#5531
On February 04 2016 07:36 sicklucker wrote:
Shining reminding me of that mafia game reminds me you kind of played that game like this one...


Negative. Go re-read it if you need to. And read my latest post on Super. You really need to get past your bias on me and realize who the scum is here.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 22:39 GMT
#5532
On February 04 2016 07:36 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 07:35 sicklucker wrote:
Well TT is town and you dont see it


No. I don't.


But you're voting me.

Obvious scum is obvious
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 22:41 GMT
#5536
On February 04 2016 07:31 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 07:28 The Shining wrote:
On February 04 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:
On February 04 2016 07:20 sicklucker wrote:
On February 02 2016 22:59 Superbia wrote:
On February 02 2016 22:58 sicklucker wrote:
You literraly have put zero effort into helping me figure out which one of them is the last mafia. Your like oh haha lets kill both. Well we can only kill one because we are probably sleeping


My best play is to convince the town between them to stop being an idiot.

I'm going to talk to both of them when they get back, but I think TT went to bed.


you never really tried to do this tho i think?


I honestly tried with TT. The Shining is a brick wall.


I usually am when I think I know who the last scum is in endgame. In 3 different endgames, I've cased 3 scum and gotten 2 of them lynched and won. Was NKd and someone threw the other, but I cased the right one. Here, I haven't had the time to make a case but my conviction is no less certain.


but this game every dead townie called super scum? you should probably try a little harder? palmer specifically said to lynch you in this sitation over me or super. He was even more sure super was town then me


Palmar is another you and Rels and ritoky, AKA TRASH AT READING ME. And you still can't tell me why scum me or scum TT would leave a CPR DOC ALIVE IN ENDGAME
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 03 2016 22:44 GMT
#5541
On February 04 2016 07:41 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2016 07:39 The Shining wrote:
On February 04 2016 07:36 Superbia wrote:
On February 04 2016 07:35 sicklucker wrote:
Well TT is town and you dont see it


No. I don't.


But you're voting me.

Obvious scum is obvious


Right. It's between you and TT. I feel like it could still be TT.

You do realize that the only way town can still win is if I force the draw because TT is gone, right? SL is convinced TT is town. He can figure it out tomorrow.


Except forcing the draw if you're scum with 2 kp is your win condition.

The only way town wins is lynching you.
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