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On January 14 2016 18:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
It goes like this rayn.
VE opens thread to latest post, it's close to the D1 post. VE reads some of the posts and gets to Trfel's post. VE posts about Trfel. After VE's post he goes to the CURRENT page and reads Palmar's post. Posts about it. Notices that further up is a post recanting Trfel's DYH read. VE posts about reading the thread and makes an exasperation emoji.
Yes, those posts were made while reading the thread out of order. I HAVE NOT read the whole thread yet, only surrounding posts of Trfel's, and a few of ritoky's posts.
okay.
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On January 14 2016 18:42 Palmar wrote:
I think Xatalos looks really good in this exchange and rayn really bad.
You might wanna elaborate on that since we came to the same conclusion it seems like.
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On January 14 2016 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 18:37 Xatalos wrote:
I guess so...
VE: I also didn't really like the things ritoky was pushing. It was just the way he posted that made me think he could be town after all. He was so bold and didn't really seem to care what others thought of him. Fits better with a town mindset. This describes ritoky as either alignment as far as I'm aware.
I disagree.
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Let's make this clear Palmar.
Do you actually mean the stuff you say or are just trolling?
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How about you read the thread first and post then Palmar?
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Except i don't blantantly, intentionally misrepresent anyone when i am mafia.
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On January 14 2016 18:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Except i don't blantantly, intentionally misrepresent anyone when i am mafia. What a weird thing to say......
No it's not, i literally will or would never ever intentionally conclude a post says the OPPOSITE it in fact does, which is what Palmar is saying here. That's just straight out retarded to assume so.
The thing is, as i clearly explained, that i misread one word in Xatalos' post. That doesn't make me anything, except for misreading a word.
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On January 14 2016 18:57 Palmar wrote:
He misrepresented Xatalos by misrepresenting Ace????
Also how does this make sense? How did i "misrepresent Ace"?
I didn't even talk about what Ace said -- i talked about what Xatalos' vote on him was based on.
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On January 14 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 18:23 Xatalos wrote:On January 14 2016 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you were talking about Trfel and DYH there. I somehow thought you were talking about ritoky.
I disagree with you. I don't think it's likely at all ritoky does that as mafia. Could you explain? I don't really follow either of those points :/ Sadly. I don't see why ritoky: 1).."makes enemies" with two townies 2)..does call his scumbuddy scum (yes he puts suspicion on DYH because if he is just gonna claim 100% associative read that's retarded and bullshit 100%) ..when he can just.. not to do that. This is pointless and frankly just wrong defense. clearly rayn is pushing an agenda here.
And this is just straight out bullshit Palmar. If you are gonna claim this is "wrong" then point out why it is wrong and why me making "wrong conclusion" is scummy. You are just saying shit without any substance.
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On January 14 2016 19:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 19:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 18:58 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 14 2016 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Except i don't blantantly, intentionally misrepresent anyone when i am mafia. What a weird thing to say...... No it's not, i literally will or would never ever intentionally conclude a post says the OPPOSITE it in fact does, which is what Palmar is saying here. That's just straight out retarded to assume so. The thing is, as i clearly explained, that i misread one word in Xatalos' post. That doesn't make me anything, except for misreading a word. and with the wave of a wand a misrepresentation becomes a misreading. I am not a big fan of meta, but I recall you in multiple games being someone who doesn't think twice as mafia about subtly misrepresenting people if it pushes your agenda. The difference is that you rarely get caught.
feel free to argue this if you want to..
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On January 14 2016 19:12 ritoky wrote:
rayn you wanted the associative shit explained right?
not really.
I'd rather see you reconsider your read on Trfel based on what i said about his meta, since that's what your scumread on him is based on.
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On January 14 2016 19:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2016 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2016 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 18:23 Xatalos wrote:On January 14 2016 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you were talking about Trfel and DYH there. I somehow thought you were talking about ritoky.
I disagree with you. I don't think it's likely at all ritoky does that as mafia. Could you explain? I don't really follow either of those points :/ Sadly. I don't see why ritoky: 1).."makes enemies" with two townies 2)..does call his scumbuddy scum (yes he puts suspicion on DYH because if he is just gonna claim 100% associative read that's retarded and bullshit 100%) ..when he can just.. not to do that. This is pointless and frankly just wrong defense. clearly rayn is pushing an agenda here. And this is just straight out bullshit Palmar. If you are gonna claim this is "wrong" then point out why it is wrong and why me making "wrong conclusion" is scummy. You are just saying shit without any substance. I have explained it rayn, you're just barely reading the thread so you don't notice. You're making an associative read based on your own misrepresentation. If ritoky is not mafia, then this is not the reason he is not mafia. Well I guess it's true that that's a pretty weak reason to townread ritoky... Is it still clearly an "agenda"? Would he stubbornly defend either his teammate or some random townie for no real benefit?
No it isn't a weak reason. It's almost the same fucking reason i figured out Damdred was town in the last game, it stands true almost always. Because if ritoky is scum that is just bad scumplay.
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On January 14 2016 19:18 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 19:13 Xatalos wrote:On January 14 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2016 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2016 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 18:23 Xatalos wrote:On January 14 2016 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you were talking about Trfel and DYH there. I somehow thought you were talking about ritoky.
I disagree with you. I don't think it's likely at all ritoky does that as mafia. Could you explain? I don't really follow either of those points :/ Sadly. I don't see why ritoky: 1).."makes enemies" with two townies 2)..does call his scumbuddy scum (yes he puts suspicion on DYH because if he is just gonna claim 100% associative read that's retarded and bullshit 100%) ..when he can just.. not to do that. This is pointless and frankly just wrong defense. clearly rayn is pushing an agenda here. And this is just straight out bullshit Palmar. If you are gonna claim this is "wrong" then point out why it is wrong and why me making "wrong conclusion" is scummy. You are just saying shit without any substance. I have explained it rayn, you're just barely reading the thread so you don't notice. You're making an associative read based on your own misrepresentation. If ritoky is not mafia, then this is not the reason he is not mafia. Well I guess it's true that that's a pretty weak reason to townread ritoky... Is it still clearly an "agenda"? Would he stubbornly defend either his teammate or some random townie for no real benefit? No it isn't a weak reason. It's almost the same fucking reason i figured out Damdred was town in the last game, it stands true almost always. Because if ritoky is scum that is just bad scumplay. I don't think that's necessarily the case... Like I explained, there are reasons why it would benefit him to say that in either case.
That's your conclusion. I disagree with it. Because i don't remember a similar case where i would have been wrong.
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On January 14 2016 19:17 Palmar wrote:
Actually, four different things.
There is no way he thinks I'm mafia when I'm bringing up thoughtful, insightful analysis to the thread. It's original research that is creating a ton of useful discussion, and yet he thinks I'm mafia for it.
I think people will soon be getting the grim picture this paints of rayn.
See here again...
Palmar says that that i am either mafia for calling his "thoughtful, insightful analysis" bullshit (which i have done), or if i agreed with him, well that would make me mafia too...
It works in both ways! IT'S LIKE MAGIC!
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On January 14 2016 19:22 Xatalos wrote:
Do you really think Palmar is scum, rayn? Or did you just vote "out of spite"? haha
yes i think he is scum.
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On January 14 2016 19:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2016 19:17 Palmar wrote:
Actually, four different things.
There is no way he thinks I'm mafia when I'm bringing up thoughtful, insightful analysis to the thread. It's original research that is creating a ton of useful discussion, and yet he thinks I'm mafia for it.
I think people will soon be getting the grim picture this paints of rayn. See here again... Palmar says that that i am either mafia for calling his "thoughtful, insightful analysis" bullshit (which i have done), or if i agreed with him, well that would make me mafia too... It works in both ways! IT'S LIKE MAGIC! You are blatantly misrepresenting my point. You can disagree with me, but you should not think I'm mafia (ie: vote) me because of it. Like this is probably the most obvious instance of you intentionally trying to deceive the thread. What I actually said: "Rayn should be calling me mafia even if he disagrees, because my points are good" What you're trying to convince people I said "Rayn shouldn't disagree with me, because my points are good". It's subtle, but it's 100% accurate. Nailed you scum 
That is not what i am saying at all. I am suggesting your points on me are just you making my posts fit your invented narrative instead of trying to figure out why i actually post the stuff that i do and why do i make the conclusions i do and from which side it does make sense. You just say half-arsed things like the townread is "wrong" without ever pointing out WHY you think it is wrong, or WHY does me being wrong make me mafia.
I don't make "bullshit town cases" on people as mafia, you know that Palmar, you know that very well. Your suggestion that i am mafia -- and ritoky is town, is fucking absurd, because that's not how i play as scum. I would never make that read on town!ritoky if i was mafia, it just doesn't benefit me at all.
Just for clarification, this is the read i made on Damdred i talked about earlier, in the last invite game:
On December 12 2015 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 11:56 Damdred wrote:
Kinda want to lynch everyone who hasn't posted now... But id lynch rels first In a weird way this posy looks really really townie as it's... "Unclean"... Like i get where Damdred is coming from but if you really look at this post all it says is " greymist and dp are town in my opinion". Eell idk if he inclydes marv in the people whi have posted but i think he doesn't. Basically i would not think Damdred would word his thoughts like this if he was mafia since this wording is more likely to make enemies than saying "greymist and dp are town".
Then you have your Xatalos post misrepresentation shit. That doesn't make any sense at all since first of all you didn't even read my further elaboration on it. When people pointed out you are actually approaching the situation with false premises, instead of taking this into account and re-thinking your stance on the original accusation -- you make a stretch on saying "well you did that first, now you are just covering up when it didn't fly" which is literally just bull-fucking-shit. IT is pretty fucking clear that's NOT what i did, nor is it anything i would EVER do. Furthermore you add "oh he also misrepresented Ace" which i have literally NEVER EVER done.
And now, now you are saying i should conclude that your analysis are "thoughtful and insightful", and if i don't then i am ALSO mafia for that. No Palmar, your analysis are not thoughtful nor are they insightful. They are half-arsed and you are scum for it.
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On January 14 2016 19:32 ritoky wrote:
i do hear you about the looking for town versus pushing an agenda shit though rayn.
also why are you defending me btw? last i remember your read on me wasn't particularly good on day 1, i figured you'd be more hesitant.
I am giving out a read. I think you are town. I don't wanna lynch townies nor do i wanna consider townies as lynch targets. I'd rather talk about scum instead.
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Anyways, i gotta go to the store quick.
be back soon.
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On January 14 2016 19:50 Xatalos wrote:
As for rayn, it slightly disturbs me how he seems to come to conclusions with a somewhat flimsy basis.
How can you say this when you AGREED WITH ME AT SOME POINT?
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