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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 01 2016 07:58 GMT
#20
/question

if i've played a fair amount of mafia irl, will i be okay to sign up for non-newbie mafia games like this? or are the online vs. irl versions of the game significantly different to the point where I should only sign up for newbie games? Been itching to play some Mafia

Will probably follow this game either way
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 02 2016 04:04 GMT
#24
I'll give it an honest effort. Really interested in longer day and night cycles

count me
/in
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 03 2016 03:10 GMT
#37
On January 02 2016 22:54 boxerfred wrote:
Prerequisite for my in is that it doesnt start before january 9. Forgot to say that, im in spain currently, being a good german and enjoying vacation on Mallorca.


Indeed, for me I am on vacation until Jan 7. Anything after that is fair game for me
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 07 2016 23:14 GMT
#67
i'm still in, back from vacation ready to go!!
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 04:33 GMT
#182
Hi guys, just got back from The Revenant; it's badass if you're into the genre. A little long at times but Leo + Tom Hardy is great.

Anyhow, excited to play some mafia. This is my first time playing on forums, although I have played a lot of irl mafia so a lot of stuff should transfer hopefully.

Reading through the past 5 pages, so far I am getting a town read from rayne, He seems very logical so far in his thinking of Giygas and sloosh. I agree that Templar's opening was kinda awkward and confusing, but as an inexperienced player I feel where you're coming from.

I do think it's strange that Templar talks in his opening post about "toning it down a bit" and then doesn't really contribute much, followed by a vote on sloosh. It seems like he's already deviating from the plan he set up an hour ago, leading me to have a scum read on him so far
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 05:07 GMT
#189
On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.

darth, templar was talking about toning down defending his early reads late in to the game. That post is not going to mean anything d1 if you're just evaluating if he's staying true to it or not.


Oh yea I just reread that, that was dumb of me.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 06:51 GMT
#202
On January 09 2016 15:43 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 12:57 Koshi wrote:
##vote: Nooniansoong

I got reasons. But they are "terrible". I am also extremely tired so I can't promise I will remember them. But I think he might be biggest shot on mafia.

You don't think the way that he exited thread is weird? He spends a good chunk of posts swaying rayn's town read of me, and when rayn comes around he leaves with this?


Agreed. I think Noon has only posted once, so throwing his name out there with "reasons I can't promise I will remember" seems like a random bone to throw out early on-- unless the reason is inactivity. Maybe there's some meta history I'm not aware of?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 07:04 GMT
#204
He still has a scum read on you I believe. He cautioned that "watch very closely" > "don't think he's scum". It's more ambiguous than earlier but it's still there
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 07:31 GMT
#207
On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter.


Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.

The Noonian vote would make more sense if we'd already gone passed some time for a low poster to be identified, so yea his reads have to be more than simply activity.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 07:34 GMT
#208
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.

##Vote: Koshi
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 07:58 GMT
#220
I like this Eden fellow, so crisply formatted
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 08:13 GMT
#225
On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.

##Vote: Koshi

What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you.


Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne.

For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant?

I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 08:29 GMT
#231
On January 09 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.

##Vote: Koshi

What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you.


Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne.

For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant?

I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of.

A counterquestion. Why should Koshi be reluctant to back off? Just because he said he wouldn't lynch active players?

Most pushes this early in day 1 don't lead to lynching the people being pushed. I would even go as far as to say that if your early pushes are engineered to lynch people, you're doing it wrong. The point of putting other players' feet to the fire early is to force them to make substantive statements about the game state. This is helpful regardless of whether the player is town or mafia, active or inactive, yada yada.

I agree it's a bit bizarre that he pivoted over to noonian and doesn't post anything. Not leaving any reasons for it is, indeed unhelpful.

But you said this:

Show nested quote +
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.


This sounds to me more like an indictment of his entire posting history, not just his admittedly bordering-on-useless "vote/push" post.

You're not telling me that of all the posts Koshi has made this day, the whole body of work is unhelpful due to this one post at the end, are you?

If you are, forgive me for finding it uncompelling. I think Koshi's been of at least moderate use in generating discussion. I think his pressure on slOosh was constructive, and I would certainly not call the body of work unhelpful. You're going to have to do better than just handwave the whole thing as unhelpful.

Maybe cite something specific for me outside of the noonian vote? (Or if you have nothing else, then please elaborate as to why that invalidated the rest of his posting history this game.)


Meh, i'm starting to see why there are newbie mafia games run lol. It was a bit too shallow to vote on Koshi given the circumstances. The more I think about it, the more I do see the utility of his grilling of Sloosh near the start. It's true that he doesn't have to back off a scum read, especially because as you said, lots of people get grilled day 1 and it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at a lynch. I was under the impression that Koshi actually scum reads Sloosh, although it's useful info either way.

The more reflective I am of the Koshi v Sloosh dynamic, the more I realize that I can't let my frustration of being kind of clueless make me jump to hasty conclusions. At this point, I can't constructively add much until Koshi explains his Noon read imo.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 18:13 GMT
#303
On January 09 2016 17:43 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2016 17:27 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 09 2016 17:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
boo to yourself eden

You do read what I say!

I am curious why you and slOosh seemed to just mutually drop your conversation about your divergent reads on GiygaS. Weren't you a little curious why slOosh could read the same thing you did and conclude the exact opposite thing about GiygaS's alignment?

There is no reason for me to answer this before slOosh does.
I will after that. I will just say that coming to opposite conclusion (which is btw pretty strong wording here -- since i literally stated my read is "tentative") and concluding that the other person makes sense are not mutually exclusive.


They aren't exclusive, I just figured you might still be curious enough to ask.

But you are right, I would much rather hear slOosh's answer on this first.



Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 17:29 darthfoley wrote:
On January 09 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.

##Vote: Koshi

What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you.


Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne.

For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant?

I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of.

A counterquestion. Why should Koshi be reluctant to back off? Just because he said he wouldn't lynch active players?

Most pushes this early in day 1 don't lead to lynching the people being pushed. I would even go as far as to say that if your early pushes are engineered to lynch people, you're doing it wrong. The point of putting other players' feet to the fire early is to force them to make substantive statements about the game state. This is helpful regardless of whether the player is town or mafia, active or inactive, yada yada.

I agree it's a bit bizarre that he pivoted over to noonian and doesn't post anything. Not leaving any reasons for it is, indeed unhelpful.

But you said this:

I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.


This sounds to me more like an indictment of his entire posting history, not just his admittedly bordering-on-useless "vote/push" post.

You're not telling me that of all the posts Koshi has made this day, the whole body of work is unhelpful due to this one post at the end, are you?

If you are, forgive me for finding it uncompelling. I think Koshi's been of at least moderate use in generating discussion. I think his pressure on slOosh was constructive, and I would certainly not call the body of work unhelpful. You're going to have to do better than just handwave the whole thing as unhelpful.

Maybe cite something specific for me outside of the noonian vote? (Or if you have nothing else, then please elaborate as to why that invalidated the rest of his posting history this game.)


Meh, i'm starting to see why there are newbie mafia games run lol. It was a bit too shallow to vote on Koshi given the circumstances. The more I think about it, the more I do see the utility of his grilling of Sloosh near the start. It's true that he doesn't have to back off a scum read, especially because as you said, lots of people get grilled day 1 and it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at a lynch. I was under the impression that Koshi actually scum reads Sloosh, although it's useful info either way.

The more reflective I am of the Koshi v Sloosh dynamic, the more I realize that I can't let my frustration of being kind of clueless make me jump to hasty conclusions. At this point, I can't constructively add much until Koshi explains his Noon read imo.


I don't understand what was shallow about voting Koshi there. If your takeaway from my questions was "you are wrong for voting Koshi," that takeaway isn't the one I intended to convey.

The takeaway was "I don't understand why you are voting Koshi" -- and you're essentially telling me you don't have much to add to the discussion until Koshi explains his read.

But... you still had a reason for saying that Koshi's posts were unhelpful. After all, unless you intend to tell me your statement that "The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town." was made up, something you read made you think this.

I just want to know what that something is.


The reasons I said that were because of the Noon vote, and because I thought he was really trying hard to sway rayne's townread on Sloosh in a way that seemed a bit suspicious. It wasn't that much to go on. Just woke up so i'll get up to date with the thread, but I wanted to make sure I responded to this
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 19:00 GMT
#314
On January 09 2016 22:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.

##Vote: Koshi

What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you.


Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne.

For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant?

I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of.



I feel like you contradict yourself in the two bold statements.

You wonder why he won't back off Sloosh when he says he won't target active towns people.
Then he backs off Sloosh to target inactive towns people.


Yea I see what you're saying. It was contradictory, because he does end up following the outline that he posted early on. I'm rescinding my Koshi vote for now.

I have spun myself in circles trying to read some of the active posters, so here's what I think on some of the less active people:

VA- I filtered his posts and I found very little substance.

+ Show Spoiler +
logic dictates that we are playing on setup 3, as that is the most common number chosen on a 4 way choice.

I am getting scum vibes already from Sloosh just gonna throw that out there

just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work
He's struggling to create a filter
most likely mafia

i suck at mafia but i have one of the best memories on this site. I remember playing mafia with sloosh. " he plays like oatsmaster" is so troll if he actually doesnt remember playing with me lol. Not like it was THAT long ago


First, he blindly comments on how logic tells us we're playing on setup 3, with no actual logic. Maybe this is a joke I missed or something? Then, he gets the ball rolling on Sloosh, tells everyone he's bad at Mafia, ties him to another player some people (e.g. me) don't know, and peaces out. He's generated pages of discussion on someone without having to contribute to it at all. This is pretty scummy to me

mderg- You conveniently missed my follow up post re GGTemplar and how I misread what he wrote. I thought he was talking about toning down day 1 accusations, not early read defending in the late game. I don't have a read on mderg but I'm surprised you missed a post that doesn't follow the narrative of me being scum

boxerfred- I like the way he has posted. He's analyzing/questioning peoples' judgments on the Koshi town read. He hasn't just given town reads or scum reads, he included both which is most helpful for the town.

##Unvote: Koshi
##Vote: VayneAuthority


That's all I have for now
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 19:57 GMT
#333
/offtopic

Can someone explain how a Named VT works? It's a VT with no additional powers, so how is it any different from a VT?

Basically, what does the "named" do?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 09 2016 20:26 GMT
#337
On January 10 2016 05:03 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 03:13 darthfoley wrote:
On January 09 2016 17:43 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 09 2016 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2016 17:27 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 09 2016 17:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
boo to yourself eden

You do read what I say!

I am curious why you and slOosh seemed to just mutually drop your conversation about your divergent reads on GiygaS. Weren't you a little curious why slOosh could read the same thing you did and conclude the exact opposite thing about GiygaS's alignment?

There is no reason for me to answer this before slOosh does.
I will after that. I will just say that coming to opposite conclusion (which is btw pretty strong wording here -- since i literally stated my read is "tentative") and concluding that the other person makes sense are not mutually exclusive.


They aren't exclusive, I just figured you might still be curious enough to ask.

But you are right, I would much rather hear slOosh's answer on this first.



On January 09 2016 17:29 darthfoley wrote:
On January 09 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:
On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.

##Vote: Koshi

What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you.


Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne.

For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant?

I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of.

A counterquestion. Why should Koshi be reluctant to back off? Just because he said he wouldn't lynch active players?

Most pushes this early in day 1 don't lead to lynching the people being pushed. I would even go as far as to say that if your early pushes are engineered to lynch people, you're doing it wrong. The point of putting other players' feet to the fire early is to force them to make substantive statements about the game state. This is helpful regardless of whether the player is town or mafia, active or inactive, yada yada.

I agree it's a bit bizarre that he pivoted over to noonian and doesn't post anything. Not leaving any reasons for it is, indeed unhelpful.

But you said this:

I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.


This sounds to me more like an indictment of his entire posting history, not just his admittedly bordering-on-useless "vote/push" post.

You're not telling me that of all the posts Koshi has made this day, the whole body of work is unhelpful due to this one post at the end, are you?

If you are, forgive me for finding it uncompelling. I think Koshi's been of at least moderate use in generating discussion. I think his pressure on slOosh was constructive, and I would certainly not call the body of work unhelpful. You're going to have to do better than just handwave the whole thing as unhelpful.

Maybe cite something specific for me outside of the noonian vote? (Or if you have nothing else, then please elaborate as to why that invalidated the rest of his posting history this game.)


Meh, i'm starting to see why there are newbie mafia games run lol. It was a bit too shallow to vote on Koshi given the circumstances. The more I think about it, the more I do see the utility of his grilling of Sloosh near the start. It's true that he doesn't have to back off a scum read, especially because as you said, lots of people get grilled day 1 and it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at a lynch. I was under the impression that Koshi actually scum reads Sloosh, although it's useful info either way.

The more reflective I am of the Koshi v Sloosh dynamic, the more I realize that I can't let my frustration of being kind of clueless make me jump to hasty conclusions. At this point, I can't constructively add much until Koshi explains his Noon read imo.


I don't understand what was shallow about voting Koshi there. If your takeaway from my questions was "you are wrong for voting Koshi," that takeaway isn't the one I intended to convey.

The takeaway was "I don't understand why you are voting Koshi" -- and you're essentially telling me you don't have much to add to the discussion until Koshi explains his read.

But... you still had a reason for saying that Koshi's posts were unhelpful. After all, unless you intend to tell me your statement that "The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town." was made up, something you read made you think this.

I just want to know what that something is.


The reasons I said that were because of the Noon vote, and because I thought he was really trying hard to sway rayne's townread on Sloosh in a way that seemed a bit suspicious. It wasn't that much to go on. Just woke up so i'll get up to date with the thread, but I wanted to make sure I responded to this

Ok. So, you felt the Noonian vote and the attempt to sway ray's vote was suspicious. In what way(s) were they so?

I don't care that you have decided Koshi isn't suspicious anymore, I just want to know why you felt he was so I may evaluate your alignment.


Well if I were scum, I think it would make sense to get in the ear of someone who has basically been agreed to be town read, especially when he (rayne) has been leading a lot of the discussion. If you are being helpful to one of the "towniest town" people, you could be either helpful town or smart scum. I initially read it as a clever scum play.

I've already explained why I found the Noonian vote suspicious: there was nothing concrete about it and seemed random because Noonian hadn't posted anything at that point.

Also, thanks for the Named VT explanation
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January 09 2016 20:35 GMT
#339
1) I think it's scummy to generate discussion and then pop out because it seems helpful, all while staying under the radar without much concrete reasoning.

2) At the time I made my post, I'm pretty sure VA had only thrown out one name in the whole thread: Sloosh as scum read. Boxerfred has been more holistic in his approach to Q&A to Koshi and others imo. I haven't looked through Tubesock's or any of the less active posters yet.
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January 09 2016 20:48 GMT
#342
May I ask for your reads so far Eden? I'm fine with the amount of questions/direction of the questions, but can I get a (short) summary of what conclusions you've drawn from these questions?
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January 09 2016 21:54 GMT
#348
On January 10 2016 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
and kush + Tube too...

I am quite certain Eden, VA, darthfoley are town. GiygaS...not gonna lynch on D1 most likely, especially if he keeps his activity up and is being reasonable. Koshi and GGTemplar look fine as for now.


Did you say that Kush = Noonian?
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January 09 2016 22:27 GMT
#352
Ooorah
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January 09 2016 23:03 GMT
#354
TR = ?
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January 09 2016 23:23 GMT
#357
yea i just realized lol, still getting used to the abbreviations
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January 09 2016 23:28 GMT
#358
Kmatt has one post so far, at the beginning of the game... inactive town or scummy scum?
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January 10 2016 01:08 GMT
#370
On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.

Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong

GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.

the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.

I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread.


This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum
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January 10 2016 01:34 GMT
#380
PoE = ?? sorry i'm unaware of some of these terms
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January 10 2016 03:35 GMT
#385
##Unvote: VayneAuthority
##Vote: Tubesock


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darthfoley
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January 10 2016 07:42 GMT
#401
This does not pertain specifically to the current GiygaS vs. Tubesock discussion, but I would like to hear Noonian's reads. Haven't heard much from him in the last 12 hours, and what he has posted has been pretty uninteresting.

Also earth to Kmatt??
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January 10 2016 07:56 GMT
#408
I'm with sloosh on this one, I want to hear more on GiygaS regarding similarity of reads between the two and how that led to a scum read on Tubesock.
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January 10 2016 08:04 GMT
#413
i'm signing off for the night; i'll see you peeps tomorrow
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darthfoley
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January 10 2016 16:45 GMT
#503
Good morning

I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now.
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January 10 2016 16:56 GMT
#504
Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred
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January 10 2016 19:47 GMT
#510
I agree with GiygaS on #4. Is it too meta to admit to being pretty scummy if you're actually scum? That part of Tubesock's defense is rather weak imo.
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January 10 2016 20:28 GMT
#518
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh

##Vote: VayneAuthority
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darthfoley
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January 10 2016 21:10 GMT
#558
On January 11 2016 06:02 GiygaS wrote:
The point that tubesock is self-aware is an understatement. The only real analysis he's done all game has been on himself and me purely based on my read of him.


This is true. I'm fucking confused
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January 10 2016 21:28 GMT
#572
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.

I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.

##Unvote
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darthfoley
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January 10 2016 21:49 GMT
#584
Rayne is saying that if Tubesock were indeed town, he would respond to my post or GiygaS by saying, "I see why you think this is scummy, but this is why i'm town"

instead, he defends himself by saying "I see why you think this is scummy, but it's actually scummy in other ways." This seems counter-intuitive for a town to argue
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January 10 2016 22:00 GMT
#593
##Vote: Tubesock
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January 10 2016 22:29 GMT
#616
I think he implied questioning your reads and their ease when he said that I said all there needs to be said (because I questioned your easy reads)
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January 10 2016 22:38 GMT
#630
I still think Tubesock is the correct lynch right now
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January 10 2016 22:46 GMT
#638
Unless i've missed it, Tubesock hasn't provided any reads on anyone outside of GiygaS, excluding the initial early "reads" who deemed to be scummy. He's spent the last day repeating the same argument for only one person.

Like what?
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January 10 2016 22:47 GMT
#640
Okay nevermind I spoke too soon
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January 10 2016 23:00 GMT
#669
damn it man, i'm telling you Tubesock was the way to go.
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January 10 2016 23:01 GMT
#673
oh shit nevermind
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January 10 2016 23:05 GMT
#687
So the night phase is basically the same in terms of posting and whatever?
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January 10 2016 23:17 GMT
#708
I second that motion. I want to hear what he has to say now that we got a scum flip day 1 lynch
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January 10 2016 23:20 GMT
#714
On January 11 2016 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 08:17 darthfoley wrote:
I second that motion. I want to hear what he has to say now that we got a scum flip day 1 lynch

who? me?


No I was talking about Tubesock. We all know what you've had to say :p
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darthfoley
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January 11 2016 00:24 GMT
#739
I think it's clear that GGTemplar is confirmed town. He was on boxerfred from the beginning, and there's literally 0 reason to bus a teammate from the get go and draw attention to him
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darthfoley
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January 11 2016 00:55 GMT
#744
Wait yea lol no how could you get town cred for saying you'll vote for boxerfred and then forget to actually do it?
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darthfoley
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January 11 2016 02:02 GMT
#765
WIFOM?
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January 11 2016 02:47 GMT
#776
On January 11 2016 11:03 GiygaS wrote:
Wine In Front Of Me


Offtopic but this is the best reenactment of mafia meta of all time lololol
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darthfoley
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January 11 2016 03:32 GMT
#778
Well yea, I was just saying that if I had to explain mafia to a person who had never played the game before, I would link that video
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January 11 2016 04:00 GMT
#780
That works too
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January 11 2016 04:55 GMT
#786
Why have some people decided mderg is confirmed town?
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darthfoley
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January 11 2016 18:40 GMT
#835
Been moving back to college today, will catch up with the past few pages soon
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darthfoley
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January 11 2016 19:41 GMT
#851
On January 12 2016 04:35 Koshi wrote:
Tube. You ever saw a mafia with reads that were so wild & inconsistent? And then not be able to get the lynch off mafia boxerfred while you had 4 votes on you and boxer had 3 votes? Why would he spare you and go to Kush when he knew I would never lynch Kush and would always lynch boxer?


Yea idk why Rayne wouldn't continue the Tubesock wagon when he was up by a vote with less than 2(?) hours to go before the vote. If Rayne were mafia, why would he switch to Noonian when he had a solid wagon on you Tubesock?
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January 11 2016 21:38 GMT
#873
On January 12 2016 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will write my quick thoughts incase I am vigged, don't want to invest too much time obviously when its super possible ill just die.

The most likely mafia I can deduct from voting analysis and a follow up of his filter is darthfoley

You will see that Tubesock was most likely the mafia mislynch of choice, kinda sure he is town. When the 2nd vote drops onto boxerfred, tubesock is sitting at 3 votes. starting to get close. then darthfoley goes ahead and votes for tubesock to make it a comfortable 4-2. But what you can't account for as mafia is a last second large swing like that resulting in boxer's lynch. It is a very suspicious and well timed vote on his part.

Follow that up with gems like this from his filter

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2016 05:35 darthfoley wrote:
1) I think it's scummy to generate discussion and then pop out because it seems helpful, all while staying under the radar without much concrete reasoning.

2) At the time I made my post, I'm pretty sure VA had only thrown out one name in the whole thread: Sloosh as scum read. Boxerfred has been more holistic in his approach to Q&A to Koshi and others imo. I haven't looked through Tubesock's or any of the less active posters yet.


See part 2, boxerfred literally has almost no filter besides 1 post. He hasn't looked through any of the less active posters but says boxerfred is a shining example of being holistic? Soft defense that you wouldn't technically even realize you are doing as a mafia partner.

Now look through his voting pattern, he flip flops on me and tubesock at the slightest change of wind to try to appear as if he is mulling his options but really he doesnt care that either of us is lynched, they are both mislynches for him. Thread support was the only thing that ever swayed his opinion.

Finally, this is more of tells for me instead of mafia play but his first page is a lot of feigning ignorance with mechanics of the game to generate filter and even tells us about stuff he is doing irl which I largely associate with mafia attempting to lighten mood/make them appear more likable.

cya at deadline Maybe.


It's true that I have flip flopped between quite a few names in the thread. I voted for Koshi near the beginning and quickly realized he was almost as town as rayne. It's true that I went back and forth between you and Tubesock for basically the rest of the day phase; I've explained why. My suspicion of you was mainly driven by my first point in the post you quoted, before I had looked at your filter of D1 for the past two games. I trust Rayne to be town, plus he's played games with you before so I was ultimately willing to see your posts in N1/D2.

Regarding Tubesock, it's not like my suspicion of Tubesock emerged out of thin air with a couple hours left in the day phase. I hadn't liked his first substantive post and ultimately I felt like Tubesock didn't have much of a case against Giygas past the one we debunked.

On January 11 2016 07:29 darthfoley wrote:
I think he implied questioning your reads and their ease when he said that I said all there needs to be said (because I questioned your easy reads)


I thought Tubesock was starting to sway discussion the way he wanted, and I feel like active mafia posters are more dangerous than someone who is lurking D1 because everyone tends to be suspicious of them anyways (e.g. my suspicion of you).

If Tubesock was the mafia mislynch of choice, why would I stay on him after it was clear that it wouldn't go through? It would've made more sense to switch to Noonian, or GiygaS who already had 2.

Regarding my your tells: I opened with one sentence about watching The Revenant and later one question about the role of the Named VT. You can say i'm feigning ignorance but I just haven't ever played a game with a Named VT before. Other than that, the only non substantive questions I've asked have been about in game abbreviations. Sorry I didn't know what WIFOM means?
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January 11 2016 22:22 GMT
#886
On January 12 2016 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Updated thoughts from everybody's favorite townie.


I think Tubesock is town. I am not sure if GiygaS is town or mafia. Very willing to entertain that the argument was between two townies, am 100% sure it wasn't two mafia. If this isn't obvious to anyone at this point, I can elaborate, but I think Tubesock's posting throughout this phase speaks for itself. He had a mediocre/bad start, but that doesn't mean very much, and his recovery has me sold.


+ Show Spoiler [For Eden] +
Don't bother reading this, I was gonna do this but then I saw the stuff about darthfoley and found more interesting stuff to talk about. Typing all this with html tags was a bitch so I'm keeping this here for later.

Following from that, some vote count analysis. I'm filling in my reads as green and flipped boxerfred as red. I will keep my reads limited to the ones I think are uncontroversial so as to limit the number of leaps needed to accept my premises.



Vote Count (16.5 hours)

Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
Koshi (1): boxerfred
GiygaS (1): Tubesock


(9.5 hours)
Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR
nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet


(1.5 hours)
Unofficial Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(1 hour)
Official Vote Count

Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(Final)
Final Vote Count

boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred



Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
Good morning

I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now.


Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh

##Vote: VayneAuthority


Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.

I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.

##Unvote


darthfoley: What changed in between these posts for you? You retracted your vote on Tubesock about 6.5 hours before the lynch, saying that you were satisfied with Tubesock's defense of himself. You even felt that your argument on Vayne was better for the matter, since it didn't try to resolve a confusing situation between GiygaS and Tubesock.

But then just a few hours later, you say that because Vayne is "consistently not substantive as town" on D1, you're back to voting Tubesock? Even though you were satisfied with his defense?


What changed is that I went back and looked at Tubesock vs. GiygaS again. As GiygaS pointed out, Tubesock had basically only provided one read of substance (exluding posts like, "I like darth because his posts feel towny") the entire day: GiygaS. I also realized that his case of GiygaS regarding "our reads are the same but he says it's weird" is actually quite easily explained... because my original post that GiygaS quoted explained his reasoning in full.

My satisfaction with his defense lessened after this. I backed off of VA because I trusted Rayne's read on him and wanted to see his substantive reads post EoD1. I don't agree with his conclusion but I understand why Rayne adamantly wanted him a part of N1/D2 discussion.

Again, I could've easily switched my vote to Noonian or GiygaS to counter the boxerfred bandwagon if I were desperate EoD1 mafia, especially Noonian because their filters were similar in substance.
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January 11 2016 22:24 GMT
#887
There was a lot of talk about switching votes at the end for a number of people. Why wouldn't I do it to blend in and use the defense that mderg used: "idk my vote wouldn't have mattered either way!"
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January 11 2016 23:58 GMT
#946
On January 12 2016 07:48 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 07:22 darthfoley wrote:
On January 12 2016 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Updated thoughts from everybody's favorite townie.


I think Tubesock is town. I am not sure if GiygaS is town or mafia. Very willing to entertain that the argument was between two townies, am 100% sure it wasn't two mafia. If this isn't obvious to anyone at this point, I can elaborate, but I think Tubesock's posting throughout this phase speaks for itself. He had a mediocre/bad start, but that doesn't mean very much, and his recovery has me sold.


+ Show Spoiler [For Eden] +
Don't bother reading this, I was gonna do this but then I saw the stuff about darthfoley and found more interesting stuff to talk about. Typing all this with html tags was a bitch so I'm keeping this here for later.

Following from that, some vote count analysis. I'm filling in my reads as green and flipped boxerfred as red. I will keep my reads limited to the ones I think are uncontroversial so as to limit the number of leaps needed to accept my premises.



Vote Count (16.5 hours)

Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
Koshi (1): boxerfred
GiygaS (1): Tubesock


(9.5 hours)
Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR
nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet


(1.5 hours)
Unofficial Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(1 hour)
Official Vote Count

Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(Final)
Final Vote Count

boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred



On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
Good morning

I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now.


On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh

##Vote: VayneAuthority


On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.

I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.

##Unvote


darthfoley: What changed in between these posts for you? You retracted your vote on Tubesock about 6.5 hours before the lynch, saying that you were satisfied with Tubesock's defense of himself. You even felt that your argument on Vayne was better for the matter, since it didn't try to resolve a confusing situation between GiygaS and Tubesock.

But then just a few hours later, you say that because Vayne is "consistently not substantive as town" on D1, you're back to voting Tubesock? Even though you were satisfied with his defense?


What changed is that I went back and looked at Tubesock vs. GiygaS again. As GiygaS pointed out, Tubesock had basically only provided one read of substance (exluding posts like, "I like darth because his posts feel towny") the entire day: GiygaS. I also realized that his case of GiygaS regarding "our reads are the same but he says it's weird" is actually quite easily explained... because my original post that GiygaS quoted explained his reasoning in full.


So you reread Tubesock's posts, after your unvote, and found that Tubesock had only given one read all day?

That's odd. How much reading did you really do? Because before you even unvoted, Tubesock had plenty to say about other people in the game:

Show nested quote +
On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote:
On January 11 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote:
VA, Boxerfred, Sloosh need to be lynched if Tubesock isnt' happening.

Kush is a terrible lynch.
Giygas is just not mafia.

Tubesock is fucking hard to read.


I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though.

Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon.

I don't know how to help you with a meta read, but if you have some other questions I'm around because apparently I'm not sleeping for awhile.


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On January 11 2016 01:56 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred


I also question that you went back and reread the initial case Tubesock gave, as if you had, you would have noticed that GiygaS did not quote you in his original post. Tubesock filled in the posts from you to explain his case.

Would you care to resolve these discrepancies?


I said he only posted one read of substance. Regarding the reads you quoted, I explained at the time that it didn't make sense to consider Noon more towny than Rayne at that point in the game. I think being "onboard" for boxerfred or Kmatt is pretty safe at that point in the voting process, especially because at this time it was 4 to 3 for Tubesock vs. Boxerfred. Would've been tied 4/4 if he changed from GiygaS to Boxerfred. Boxerfred hadn't been very active and you would get lots of town cred if you supported a correct lynch day 1. I mean we've already confirmed town everyone who voted for Boxerfred, so losing an inactive mafia isn't the end of the world if it basically makes you an unlynchable for a while.

However, people then jumped off the Tubesock wagon and he didn't need to do this, while still getting towncred for being "okay" with a boxerfred lynch and consistency for sticking with GiygaS.

GiygaS didn't directly quote me, but he basically did "not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't"


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darthfoley
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January 12 2016 00:32 GMT
#960
I'm not a blue role.

I'm a VT
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darthfoley
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January 12 2016 16:38 GMT
#1046
My classes end at 3:00 today so i'll be on in a few hours to read through the thread
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darthfoley
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January 12 2016 22:15 GMT
#1082
Okay I've read the last couple of pages and I will try to respond to everything that's been presented against me.

I'll provide my reads currently

Confirmed town: slOosh (named VT and no one can counterclaim), GiygaS (cop)

~100% confirmed town in my mind: GGTemplar. As I posted earlier, GGTemp was on the boxerfred wagon from the beginning, and I can't see a mafia strat including bussing your RB from almost the beginning of day 1. I'm less certain (but would bet) that Koshi is playing a good town game. However, I've rightly caught a lot of flak for being wishy washy on my voting habits; Koshi voted for four people during the day phase (Nooniansong, VA, Tubesock, Boxerfred). While unlikely, is it impossible for him to be on Tubesock, realize it won't go through, and switch to Boxerfred because the town cred for being on the correct lynch wagon vastly outweighs the benefit of having a suspiciously inactive mafia around that could eventually be tied back to you, even if it's the RB? Boxerfred in his kill post even said he realized he couldn't be active. I think smart mafia may be able to use that to their advantage in their QT thing. May i'm getting too tin-foil hatty here, or perhaps i'm sherlock holmes. This would basically confirm town Tubesock though, unless we somehow had two correct lynch wagons going on D1.

Regarding VA, I just want to point this post out near the beginning of the game from Koshi.


3) VA is a master of pushing mafia agenda. If Sloosh isn't mafia the agenda is very intact. What I mean is: his options are still completely open to do w.e the fuck he wants to reach his wincon and help his team win.


If VA is either a smart town or good mafia, it makes sense why he would target me coming out N1 with a hard read on me. I've clearly been wishy washy on votes, misread posts, and haven't really led town discussion on anything, which signals weak first game town that can easily be made into a *ding ding ding, darth checks off all the mafia bells.* I understand why his case is compelling, except I haven't "feigned ignorance" like he says I have. I fully accept that I haven't been a strong town, but I haven't relied on the newbie crutch at all imo. If you guys end up lynching me, take good look at him when I come back green.

I've gone through mderg's filter and I think he is probably town at this point; I don't think it would make sense to get off the Boxerfred wagon at that point in the day if he were trying to claim town cred for a correct lynch. While his filter is shorter than most, I don't see anything incriminating him currently.

With the setup confirmed A, I think Tubesock is a potential frame target, however the EoD vote was so scattered that I could see mafia team including Tubesock deciding to not frame Tubesock to green. Given how his wagon kind of collapsed near the end of the day, there seemed to be some consensus that Tubesock was acting more townie. Personally i'm not very sold on the WIFOM "lynch me!" because isn't that exactly what you would do to come off as a town, willing to die for the good of the order?

Noonian - I'm not sure what I think of Noonian at this point. While it doesn't make much sense for a mafia to defend someone who is likely to be lynched in the next day or two, it could also maybe(?) establish town creds when I flip green. Noon hasn't really given any reads besides his mderg+Eden hail mary, so that gives me some scum vibes.

Scott - I don't want to beat a dead horse, but Scott's number 1-7 thing is pretty questionable. His excuse that he hadn't updated it when he posted it is also kind of silly: GGTemp being the same as me at 5.5, even though he advocated hard for boxerfred, and I didn't? I don't know why, if he's been reading the thread like he says he has, you would only have a "light" town read on GGTemp. I also don't think his case against mderg has any legs to stand on, leaving him with little substance even though he's posted a fair amount. He's my #2 lynch behind Tubesock.

Eden - I think he's been especially strong since EoD1, making me fairly confident he's town. His discussion of mafia teams/lynch strategy make a lot of sense if you agree that either (but not both) me or Tubesock are mafia-- and most of you do.

I realize this is the dreaded wall of text, but I haven't been able to post for a while
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darthfoley
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January 12 2016 22:19 GMT
#1084
Hold on, trying to find a question Eden had for me
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darthfoley
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January 12 2016 22:54 GMT
#1086
On January 12 2016 11:50 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2016 08:58 darthfoley wrote:
On January 12 2016 07:48 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 12 2016 07:22 darthfoley wrote:
On January 12 2016 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Updated thoughts from everybody's favorite townie.


I think Tubesock is town. I am not sure if GiygaS is town or mafia. Very willing to entertain that the argument was between two townies, am 100% sure it wasn't two mafia. If this isn't obvious to anyone at this point, I can elaborate, but I think Tubesock's posting throughout this phase speaks for itself. He had a mediocre/bad start, but that doesn't mean very much, and his recovery has me sold.


+ Show Spoiler [For Eden] +
Don't bother reading this, I was gonna do this but then I saw the stuff about darthfoley and found more interesting stuff to talk about. Typing all this with html tags was a bitch so I'm keeping this here for later.

Following from that, some vote count analysis. I'm filling in my reads as green and flipped boxerfred as red. I will keep my reads limited to the ones I think are uncontroversial so as to limit the number of leaps needed to accept my premises.



Vote Count (16.5 hours)

Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
Koshi (1): boxerfred
GiygaS (1): Tubesock


(9.5 hours)
Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR
nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet


(1.5 hours)
Unofficial Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(1 hour)
Official Vote Count

Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred


(Final)
Final Vote Count

boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred



On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
Good morning

I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now.


On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh

##Vote: VayneAuthority


On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.

I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.

##Unvote


darthfoley: What changed in between these posts for you? You retracted your vote on Tubesock about 6.5 hours before the lynch, saying that you were satisfied with Tubesock's defense of himself. You even felt that your argument on Vayne was better for the matter, since it didn't try to resolve a confusing situation between GiygaS and Tubesock.

But then just a few hours later, you say that because Vayne is "consistently not substantive as town" on D1, you're back to voting Tubesock? Even though you were satisfied with his defense?


What changed is that I went back and looked at Tubesock vs. GiygaS again. As GiygaS pointed out, Tubesock had basically only provided one read of substance (exluding posts like, "I like darth because his posts feel towny") the entire day: GiygaS. I also realized that his case of GiygaS regarding "our reads are the same but he says it's weird" is actually quite easily explained... because my original post that GiygaS quoted explained his reasoning in full.


So you reread Tubesock's posts, after your unvote, and found that Tubesock had only given one read all day?

That's odd. How much reading did you really do? Because before you even unvoted, Tubesock had plenty to say about other people in the game:

On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote:
On January 11 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote:
VA, Boxerfred, Sloosh need to be lynched if Tubesock isnt' happening.

Kush is a terrible lynch.
Giygas is just not mafia.

Tubesock is fucking hard to read.


I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though.

Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon.

I don't know how to help you with a meta read, but if you have some other questions I'm around because apparently I'm not sleeping for awhile.


On January 11 2016 01:56 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred


I also question that you went back and reread the initial case Tubesock gave, as if you had, you would have noticed that GiygaS did not quote you in his original post. Tubesock filled in the posts from you to explain his case.

Would you care to resolve these discrepancies?


I said he only posted one read of substance. Regarding the reads you quoted, I explained at the time that it didn't make sense to consider Noon more towny than Rayne at that point in the game. I think being "onboard" for boxerfred or Kmatt is pretty safe at that point in the voting process, especially because at this time it was 4 to 3 for Tubesock vs. Boxerfred. Would've been tied 4/4 if he changed from GiygaS to Boxerfred. Boxerfred hadn't been very active and you would get lots of town cred if you supported a correct lynch day 1. I mean we've already confirmed town everyone who voted for Boxerfred, so losing an inactive mafia isn't the end of the world if it basically makes you an unlynchable for a while.

However, people then jumped off the Tubesock wagon and he didn't need to do this, while still getting towncred for being "okay" with a boxerfred lynch and consistency for sticking with GiygaS.

GiygaS didn't directly quote me, but he basically did "not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't"




That's great and all, but at the end of the day, you're not explaining why it is that Tubesock's posting, which was essentially unchanged between your unvote and your subsequent vote, no longer was townie enough for you. You've just gone in after being called on it and basically said some things that, if true, were already true of Tubesock before you unvoted.

Like if you felt his reads weren't substantive enough, that's fine, but you either decided that they were substantive enough when you unvoted him (as that was the reason you voted him initially), or you unvoted him despite them not being substantive enough. Either way there's a glaring discrepancy that your explanation fails to satisfy.


At the time I unvoted I did believe Tubesock's defense against GiygaS. However, as the day progressed I realized how easy I am to manipulate because most arguments seem more credible to me than they really are. I started to get this feeling because Rayne kept grilling Tubesock over it regarding details I hadn't thought of. I then voted on VA because I was suspicious of his inactivity and thought it was a safe bet. But because I trusted Rayne the most, I took his advice and looked through his D1 posts from other games. I saw his point and decided that I wouldn't vote VA EoD1, leaving me to either go back to Tubesock, or randomly vote for people I didn't have strong suspicions of: GiygaS, Boxerfred, slOosh or Koshi. I didn't find any of those people more suspicious than Tubesock, so I voted Tubesock. Even though Tubesock had 3 votes when I got back on the wagon, votes were spread thinly so I didn't want to screw up with some shot in the dark against someone else.
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darthfoley
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January 12 2016 23:20 GMT
#1088
I took rayn's advice regarding holding off on the VA vote until D2.
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darthfoley
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January 12 2016 23:23 GMT
#1090
I also ##Vote: Tubesock
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January 13 2016 17:50 GMT
#1143
On January 13 2016 18:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 07:15 darthfoley wrote:
Okay I've read the last couple of pages and I will try to respond to everything that's been presented against me.

I'll provide my reads currently

Confirmed town: slOosh (named VT and no one can counterclaim), GiygaS (cop)

~100% confirmed town in my mind: GGTemplar. As I posted earlier, GGTemp was on the boxerfred wagon from the beginning, and I can't see a mafia strat including bussing your RB from almost the beginning of day 1. I'm less certain (but would bet) that Koshi is playing a good town game. However, I've rightly caught a lot of flak for being wishy washy on my voting habits; Koshi voted for four people during the day phase (Nooniansong, VA, Tubesock, Boxerfred). While unlikely, is it impossible for him to be on Tubesock, realize it won't go through, and switch to Boxerfred because the town cred for being on the correct lynch wagon vastly outweighs the benefit of having a suspiciously inactive mafia around that could eventually be tied back to you, even if it's the RB? Boxerfred in his kill post even said he realized he couldn't be active. I think smart mafia may be able to use that to their advantage in their QT thing. May i'm getting too tin-foil hatty here, or perhaps i'm sherlock holmes. This would basically confirm town Tubesock though, unless we somehow had two correct lynch wagons going on D1.

Regarding VA, I just want to point this post out near the beginning of the game from Koshi.


3) VA is a master of pushing mafia agenda. If Sloosh isn't mafia the agenda is very intact. What I mean is: his options are still completely open to do w.e the fuck he wants to reach his wincon and help his team win.


If VA is either a smart town or good mafia, it makes sense why he would target me coming out N1 with a hard read on me. I've clearly been wishy washy on votes, misread posts, and haven't really led town discussion on anything, which signals weak first game town that can easily be made into a *ding ding ding, darth checks off all the mafia bells.* I understand why his case is compelling, except I haven't "feigned ignorance" like he says I have. I fully accept that I haven't been a strong town, but I haven't relied on the newbie crutch at all imo. If you guys end up lynching me, take good look at him when I come back green.

I've gone through mderg's filter and I think he is probably town at this point; I don't think it would make sense to get off the Boxerfred wagon at that point in the day if he were trying to claim town cred for a correct lynch. While his filter is shorter than most, I don't see anything incriminating him currently.

With the setup confirmed A, I think Tubesock is a potential frame target, however the EoD vote was so scattered that I could see mafia team including Tubesock deciding to not frame Tubesock to green. Given how his wagon kind of collapsed near the end of the day, there seemed to be some consensus that Tubesock was acting more townie. Personally i'm not very sold on the WIFOM "lynch me!" because isn't that exactly what you would do to come off as a town, willing to die for the good of the order?

Noonian - I'm not sure what I think of Noonian at this point. While it doesn't make much sense for a mafia to defend someone who is likely to be lynched in the next day or two, it could also maybe(?) establish town creds when I flip green. Noon hasn't really given any reads besides his mderg+Eden hail mary, so that gives me some scum vibes.

Scott - I don't want to beat a dead horse, but Scott's number 1-7 thing is pretty questionable. His excuse that he hadn't updated it when he posted it is also kind of silly: GGTemp being the same as me at 5.5, even though he advocated hard for boxerfred, and I didn't? I don't know why, if he's been reading the thread like he says he has, you would only have a "light" town read on GGTemp. I also don't think his case against mderg has any legs to stand on, leaving him with little substance even though he's posted a fair amount. He's my #2 lynch behind Tubesock.

Eden - I think he's been especially strong since EoD1, making me fairly confident he's town. His discussion of mafia teams/lynch strategy make a lot of sense if you agree that either (but not both) me or Tubesock are mafia-- and most of you do.

I realize this is the dreaded wall of text, but I haven't been able to post for a while

soooooo

100% town: sloosh, giygas, ggtemplar
pretty town: me, mderg

shrug: noonian

lynch: tubesock, scott

koshi is ?????? you say probably a good townie game but then spend the rest of the paragraph talking about how he's mafia...

va is "smart town or good mafia" who we should look at



This is pretty uninspiring for me. Obvious town reads are obvious, made only slightly spicy by somehow not town reading Koshi as strongly as some other town reads. Obvious lynches are obvious.

The thing that would actually help us solve this game is sorting out the trio of darthfoley, Vayne and kush. darth gives us very little about this -- his read on Vayne seems to imply that he thinks Vayne is mafia (see "when I flip green look at this guy"), but he starts off by saying "If VA were smart town or good mafia," his behavior makes sense. So all I learn from this is that darth doesn't think VA is dumb town. Great I guess, but not really helping.

It's also strange to me that darth combines a very conceding treatment of VA's arguments (stuff like "I understand I haven't been a great townie" and the like), but then still thinks we should suspect VA. If VA's arguments are reasonable enough to force a concessive "I understand I haven't been a great townie" type of reaction, then why would VA be suspicious for giving such an argument?

Shocking, I know, but this seems like a mafia reaction to me. Acknowledge your opponent has a point, but still try to paint your opponent as suspicious for making it. Not liking it.

And then there's just not a lot said about Noonian either way, looks like a light scumread but darth isn't initiating a lot of conversation with Noonian to sort out his read. Especially given how Noonian should be near the top of his suspects list given his reads and the game state information we have, I'm -- surprise -- suspicious of darth here too.


Regarding VA, I'm not sure what you think is wrong with pointing out VA's options. I literally just said why you should still be suspicious regarding VA: He is a smart player. That intelligence can easily make a mafia case out of a weaker town, because a lot of his points are true. That's my whole point! You act like as a town, I have to argue against points that are obviously true (I flip flopped on some votes, I followed people's lead, etc). VA being mafia and my acknowledgement that some of his argument is supported by fact, are not mutually exclusive events. My acknowledgement of SOME of his argument also does not mean that I am mafia. I think it should be clear to you why, at this point.

If you were mafia, and you knew that your name had come up multiple times in the previous vote phase for inactivity, AND people said they were voting for you if you didn't get more active in the next day phase, who would you target? You obviously wouldn't target more or less confirmed town, or some of the more ambiguous people. You have a newer player, who was wishy washy on votes, followed people's leads, and "feigned ignorance" of game mechanics right at your fingers tips. Why wouldn't you go after him first?

The reason I said this could be smart town or smart mafia play, is that it makes sense from both perspectives. From VA town, I look like mistake riddled mafia; from VA mafia, I look like the perfect target to lynch. You might still think that i'm scum, but don't feign ignorance as if my defense makes no sense.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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January 14 2016 01:19 GMT
#1204
On January 14 2016 09:01 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2016 08:08 Koshi wrote:
On January 14 2016 08:07 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 14 2016 08:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
and with that flip I now agree with koshi that eden is incredibly suspicous

Lol how does that make sense

Vayne -Master of Pushing Mafia Agenda- Authority

Maybe we lynch Kush tomorrow. I think I can go for that.

One of these days you'll listen to me right away buddy. I got faith in you.

Mafia was largely unsuspected n1. Explains ray dying and explains framing vt. Kush definite mafia IMO.

Darthfoley fits that profile too y'know...

I wonder if anyone else does. Scottkmatt probs. but that's just a crapshoot lynch right now. (Then again so was boxerfred)


Yes, I think it's clear mafia was probably unsuspected N1 given Tubesock's green flip. Let's look at the D1 VCA:

On January 11 2016 07:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Final Vote Count

boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred

Not voted (1): Kmatt


Did not receive votes: Rayn (dead VT), darthfoley, mderg, GGTemplar, Eden, Kmatt

Seems like you fit the profile too...

I had two people scum read me iirc: mderg and GGTemplar. That's more suspicion than you had D1, right? I don't even think you can really include those who only got 1 vote in the "suspicious enough to not risk framing a townie N1" pile, because VA, Koshi and slOosh weren't in danger at all late in D1. Even the noonian 2 vote wagon wasn't considered that serious at the time. The voting was all over the place, so while your read is right, it's pretty obvious and doesn't provide much insight whatsoever. Cop could've checked basically anyone given how spread out the voting was.
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darthfoley
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January 14 2016 01:54 GMT
#1206
I do believe that. I'm just saying that his point doesn't really show anything
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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January 14 2016 22:11 GMT
#1224
Back from a long day.

(Consensus-- this is also me thinking out loud)
Town pile: GiygaS, slOosh, GGTemplar, Eden, Koshi, mderg
Perceived scum pile: me, VA, noonian, scott

I think Eden's defense of Tubesock solidly puts him in the town pile, two are confirmed town, and GGTemplar and Koshi have been town through and through. Out of the town pile, the only person I am not pretty confident about is mderg. While the other players have "signature" town reads/votes/defense, I don't think mderg has had one yet. He's definitely not my lynch target though.

Regarding the other four names, even if we mislynch one or two times, we have a big enough town pile right now that it isn't game breaking. Personally, my naughty list is as follows: scott, Noonian, VA,

I still have no idea where scott stands on anything. His filter is a load of questions that don't really ask anything. His beautiful analysis of the game has resulted in a couple of posts with one-liners that don't clarify anything or challenge anyone. Scott has used the argument of VA, except that VA actually delivered a well thought out and concise argument on why he thought I was scum. Scott hasn't done anything remotely worthy of analysis imo.


Your conf town which upsets me, that you have nothing behind it but "I'd lynch him instead" - I'll flip VT. I don't spam the fucking thread like the others do, I observe, post my thoughts, and go with it - You should find another. Did you even read what I said? What's the mafia motivation? To lynch our red-check? Did you even read the game? I've obs'ed games for almost two years.


Scott hasn't posted any real thoughts or gone with any of them. I can get into Noonian/VA in another post, but I'm taking Koshi's advice about only posting about one person.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 15 2016 02:25 GMT
#1255
In what way could not outting the cop check be more useless than not revealing it?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 15 2016 02:59 GMT
#1257
okay that makes sense to me
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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January 15 2016 05:55 GMT
#1263
I think we're all in agreement that Eden shouldn't be lynched today lol
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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January 15 2016 06:25 GMT
#1266
On January 15 2016 15:07 GiygaS wrote:
darth can you give me what exactly is your current position on VA


I'm 50/50 on VA. Part of me thinks that he's potentially luckily evaded cop checks for 2 nights, and has simultaneously flown under the radar with by far the shortest filter. His only real contribution/read on his filter is his case against me. It's not that it's shallow or weak, but that was almost 4 days ago (real time) at this point, which gives me pause. Since, his only posts have been arguments for killing red checked Tubesock, and a very weird comment about Eden post Tubesock green flip. I don't think you can draw alignment much out of the arguments re Tubesock though; most of us agreed it was the safe bet to do.

On January 14 2016 08:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
and with that flip I now agree with koshi that eden is incredibly suspicous


It is kind of out of left field, and he never expands on it so I don't know where he's going with this, or if he still believes it. Getting clarification on this important imo.

On the other hand, I feel like scum VA would've been more active in trying to funnel discussion one way or another by this point in the game. After all, it's D3 and we have a dwindling number of scum suspects left in the game (including him).

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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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January 15 2016 06:29 GMT
#1267
Ironically I think VA becomes more suspicious the more active he gets today, unless his activity is stellar town play
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 15 2016 20:15 GMT
#1291
Lol Noonian is either useless town or obvious mafia. I'm down for lynching Noon
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 16 2016 02:42 GMT
#1299
Well yea, a green check on Koshi is like 99.8% legit unless he's playing 9 levels deep and playing super safe
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 16 2016 22:34 GMT
#1315
I think we get 1 scum with one of these two. I'm more suspicious of Scott, but Noonian has also been so idgaf that he's useless as green, so it's fine with me if he gets lynched.

##Vote: Scott31337
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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January 16 2016 22:39 GMT
#1317
Regarding the other four names, even if we mislynch one or two times, we have a big enough town pile right now that it isn't game breaking. Personally, my naughty list is as follows: scott, Noonian, VA,

I still have no idea where scott stands on anything. His filter is a load of questions that don't really ask anything. His beautiful analysis of the game has resulted in a couple of posts with one-liners that don't clarify anything or challenge anyone. Scott has used the argument of VA, except that VA actually delivered a well thought out and concise argument on why he thought I was scum. Scott hasn't done anything remotely worthy of analysis imo.

Show nested quote +

Your conf town which upsets me, that you have nothing behind it but "I'd lynch him instead" - I'll flip VT. I don't spam the fucking thread like the others do, I observe, post my thoughts, and go with it - You should find another. Did you even read what I said? What's the mafia motivation? To lynch our red-check? Did you even read the game? I've obs'ed games for almost two years.


Scott hasn't posted any real thoughts or gone with any of them.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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January 16 2016 23:15 GMT
#1322
Oh shit sorry for not voting in the thread.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 17 2016 00:39 GMT
#1326
We should also get GiygaS's reads because there's no way he's surviving now that the framer is dead
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 17 2016 01:26 GMT
#1328
I just wasn't sure whether the Noon scum lynch changes anything for you
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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January 17 2016 02:59 GMT
#1340
On January 17 2016 11:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
gut says eden but people saying he is locked in town/town meta

game flow says darth

so i guess darth.


How does game flow say me?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 18 2016 00:40 GMT
#1357
I am quite sure it's Scott, for the reasons I have previously mentioned, and I agree with Eden regarding Noon/Scott
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 18 2016 17:51 GMT
#1368
Not quite sure I follow. Are you saying i'm more actively invested than others?

There is the type of mafia player that wants to defy the odds and win a game like that.


I'm confused what you're trying to suggest with this post. I should be afk if I'm town?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 18 2016 17:56 GMT
#1369
##Vote: Scott
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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January 19 2016 19:41 GMT
#1417
On January 19 2016 09:01 Koshi wrote:
All in all I think darthfoley his game has been a bit uninspiring. Not bold enough. Not enough dumb mistakes made due to being aggressive looking for mafia.

Obviously mderg/scott probably won't have those as well but they play a lot different than darthfoley. It looks like darthfoley could be really good but is hold back because of him being mafia?

Dnu.



I have already defended many of these points before previously in my filter. If you choose to read them and not believe me, it's fine, but most of this stuff is just drudged up points you're reusing.

I'm really not sure what you expect out of a first time player. I shouldn't be wishy washy, but I should have a filter littered with dumb mistakes. You tell me I should be bold, but if I suggest there's a chance you're mafia playing a very good game, you rage and tell me how stupid of a post that is. I shouldn't play the "i'm a noob" card often, but if I bring it up once or twice, I'm obviously just trying to get into people's heads.

The game is pretty straight forward now, so you'll be able to lynch me and still win in the next couple days no problem. I am just annoyed with the stupid qualifications and almost-contradictions you've sanctioned on me.

WIFOM but if I were mafia, I wouldn't have killed rayn N1. He was in my corner with a pretty hard town read, and I probably would've gone for you or GGTemplar, given how you've basically been confirmed town since the boxerfred vote.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 19 2016 19:42 GMT
#1418
I appreciate the compliment though
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
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January 19 2016 19:52 GMT
#1421
Ah well, the truth will come out when my limp body hangs at the gallows. I shall become a martyr for the cause, a noble cause, a just cause, a righteous cause.

+ Show Spoiler +
you thought I would admit to being mafia here, didn't you? + Show Spoiler +
or perhaps here?+ Show Spoiler +
definitely here?+ Show Spoiler +
if you got to here, you deserve to know that I'm the medic
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 19 2016 21:03 GMT
#1426
On January 20 2016 04:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2016 04:52 darthfoley wrote:
Ah well, the truth will come out when my limp body hangs at the gallows. I shall become a martyr for the cause, a noble cause, a just cause, a righteous cause.

+ Show Spoiler +
you thought I would admit to being mafia here, didn't you? + Show Spoiler +
or perhaps here?+ Show Spoiler +
definitely here?+ Show Spoiler +
if you got to here, you deserve to know that I'm the medic


You know we know there is no medic in this setup right? you might as well concede after that post


... I might be a new player but i'm not that stupid man. Give me an oodle of respect
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 19 2016 21:16 GMT
#1429
Okay, I'm not sure how to do this properly, but I concede that in my past, I made some mistakes and I may have had ties to the Irish mafia. But I was just a regular goon! I swear I just did what boss O'Connor wanted! I'll even rat 'em out for a shorter sentence.

In all seriousness, I had quite a bit of fun this game. I knew quite early on that the boxerfred post was going to come back to haunt me very quickly. Let's just say we didn't play very well as a mafia team lol. Boxer and Kush were pretty inactive and didn't give me much help, and I knew I was eventually going to slip up and people were going to catch me. Losing our roleblocker D1 also doesn't help much. I know this is super hindsight is 20/20, but I really thought about framing Koshi or GGTemplar the night GiygaS thought he was going to die. You can see it in the QT, but I thought GiygaS might check someone who might be playing a sick mafia game, knowing he would die that night-- just for closure's sake. In the end, I framed myself (because Noon was afk) and played it safe. Oh well.

I'll provide the QT for anyone who is interested and wants to read it. There isn't that much sick play to read through: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/7EphBq9CY85YB

I'll certainly play in some more games, because I found this quite informative and fun. I also found it a bit funny how mad everyone gets but i'm sure I would've felt the same way if I were town. I really do think I would've been wishy washy on stuff, even if I were town. I honestly had no idea where the game was going to go. Probably should've just kept my mouth shut.

GGs to all, especially GGTemplar, and Vayne, who stared into my soul and felt the red early... though I'm proud I somehow wiggled out of that, albeit temporarily.


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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 19 2016 21:20 GMT
#1430
also koshi and eden are good
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 19 2016 21:44 GMT
#1437
Yea, I really thought I had a chance after Koshi and people town read me again after VA's post. I was hoping that I could last long enough to have both Eden and Koshi left in like a final 4 or 5 situation and have everyone get WIFOM paranoid.

I wasn't planning on conceding, but I knew if I fought it too much, it would also be obvious. Meh, I really like playing scum, even though it is significantly harder than IRL.

I'm just not sure... what was the point of having a framer/no cop setup possibility? Doesn't that make framer useless? Or does it just allow someone to fake claim cop and convolute the game significantly?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
January 20 2016 00:08 GMT
#1459
What's the win % for town/mafia on TL? I know it depends on the variation, but generally...?
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