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On January 09 2016 17:13 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 16:51 Eden1892 wrote:On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote:
I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town.
##Vote: Koshi What is unhelpful about Koshi's posts in your own words? As they seem less helpful the more you look at them, I expect that you will be able to explain this pretty easily for this potato townie questioning you. Well, originally I thought that the conversation's direction regarding sloosh was pretty productive. It got him talking, and also gave out a decent amount of info to sift through, which you've courteously done. Out of all the active players so far, I think rayne has been the most town; his posts are well thought out and his questions are inquisitive. So, I looked at Koshi closer because he was one of the adamant Sloosh scum posters next to rayne. For me, I am mainly am just confused as to why he's been reluctant to back off Sloosh after saying he wouldn't target active townspeople on day 1. Maybe he strictly means he won't vote for active townspeople but still target them in discussion, though his grilling of Sloosh followed by a pivot towards a poster with no history seems out of place and too random for my liking. He cites "terrible" reasons that he probably won't remember in the morning, which basically provides no information about anything at all. Why couldn't he include at least an outline of something relevant? I'm unclear on Sloosh, because some of his questioning lacks a clear direction and looks kind of filler. I think Giygas is town as of now. Your point on his intuitive search for more info at the start of the game re game setup is an angle I hadn't thought of.
You answer your bolded text here in the next sentence. There is literally zero reason to pressure inactive people because they don't answer and there is nothing to pressure them for...
And Koshi probably reads Noonian mafia because Noonian is currently in two games and he is active in the other game. I can't go more into the reasoning since talking about ongoing games is forbidden but regardless of Noonian's alignment in the other game Koshi's logic makes sense, although i do not agree with it (see what i did there Eden  ).
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Two things just for the sake of this thread:
- darthfoley you are doing fine. there is no need for joining NSM games first. Just explain yourself as clearly as you can. Not all people think the same way but if you are town you have a reasonable explanation behind what you say. It should be enough for smart people to townread you in case you're town. "wow i am so bad" won't get you anywhere nor does playing the newbie card.
- Eden can you please consolidate your posts? I mean like the use less words for the stuff you say. You don't need to say every single thing that comes to your mind. For example your first post about your reads on me and GiygaS could probably be said in about 20 words, but instead it's a massive wall of text i now regret i read.. Also writing many words does not get you townread, not for me, and shouldn't for anyone else either.
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Eden:
GiygaS - town
slOosh - scum
mderg - town
Nooniansoong - town
boxerfred - null
Tubesock - scum
Koshi - town
VayneAuthority - town
GGTeMpLaR - null
Kmatt - null
Is there anything we disagree here?
I purposely left darthfoley out because you are questioning him and i don't wanna affect that regardless of my read on him.
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Fuck it GGTemplar can be town for now but only because i think slOosh is scum.
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On January 09 2016 18:27 Eden1892 wrote:
I have next to zero opinion on any of Vayne, mderg or noonian. Put a gun to my head and I say "Vayne is town" and "I don't fucking know about the other two, put that gun down bro."
Only thing I see you saying about mderg so far is a tentative town read on him. I think mderg has said nothing to make me feel either way about him. You call him town, is that still "tentative" or did something solidify that for you that I didn't see?
Same question with kushoonian actually.
yeah actually i don't mderg is town anymore. At the time it had to do with the frequency he responded to the GiygaS "vanilla town" issue and didn't push it further -- as him as kush (noonian) were saying something completely dumb.
I liked kush's question for Koshi at the start of the game. It looked like he was actually trying to play the game. Yes this read is too fading atm... Basically both of this and the mderg reads were somewhat loaded discussion. I don't think they are scum and compared to null/scum reads on my list they look better but i wouldn't exactly call them "town".
However VA is one of my strongest townreads. His play is this normal Vayne "here's what i think -- no bullshit" townplay so far. He posts what he thinks (usually like "i think this guy is scum") without any reasoning and also answers questions when asked about the reads he has. I find this very characteristic to his townplay whereas as scum i can usually tell quite early he is pushing some sort of agenda. I can't see that here.
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Less townreads more scumreads mderg, plz.
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On January 09 2016 23:23 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 23:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Noon any idea what is going on in Koshi's head voting you? Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one. What do you think of Koshi and Giyga? Koshi null leaning town. Why would he open the opposite of his last two town games if he were scum? Usually people try to emulate their town games as scum. Gigyas no idea I'd have to filter,
Why did you ask Koshi about the bolded part if you think it makes him town anyways?
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I have two problems right now:
I don't know if i believe slOosh in his answer on GiygaS.
I don't know how i am going to convince people that darthfoley and VayneAuthority are town.
meh..
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On January 10 2016 04:04 slOosh wrote:
rayn could you explain how VayneAuthority is town? How much does my alignment say in the matter?
i did that already....
your alignment doesn't matter at all here.
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ugh... i am (was) gonna be busy today with other stuff.
i'll read the thread again from where i left last night when i get back here..
Mainly slOosh, mderg and boxerfred.
Kmatt's absence is alarming aswell, he clearly knows the game is on as he has posted after the game start...
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and kush + Tube too...
I am quite certain Eden, VA, darthfoley are town. GiygaS...not gonna lynch on D1 most likely, especially if he keeps his activity up and is being reasonable. Koshi and GGTemplar look fine as for now.
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I am pretty certain there is scum jumping on darthfoley when that happened.
There is something wrong in the jump on him / Koshi, idk what.. but i think there is, that whole thing seemed so unnatural. It didn't feel right at all.
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On January 10 2016 08:19 Eden1892 wrote:
I think I'm also ok with mderg for now. The series of posts he had when ray asked him for scum reads and he goes "man now I gotta try" and then immediately cranked out two reads makes me think he really was paying attention and had something to share. Looked good.
Yeah this is basically the impression i got aswell.
What bothered me was the read on darthfoley.
I don't mind any other of his posts...but like..ugh, idk why anyone should scumread darth.
It's really clear that he is town. yes he has made some "mistakes" in his posting but like, goddamn it's so obvious.
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On January 10 2016 09:50 Koshi wrote:
Tubesock, boxerfred and 1 out of Sloosh and VA.
Care to walk me through with why Kmatt or mderg can't be scum and why VA is scum?
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On January 10 2016 09:57 Koshi wrote:
3) VA is a master of pushing mafia agenda. If Sloosh isn't mafia the agenda is very intact. What I mean is: his options are still completely open to do w.e the fuck he wants to reach his wincon and help his team win.
4) atm I like sloosh for mafia better though. Him scumreading VA and mderg and hard townreading boxerfred for a simple reason makes it easier to see him in a team with boxer. Kinda simplistic but I like it.
The problem with this is the following:
You can't just say "if slOosh is town then VA is pushing mafia agenda". If slOosh is town the case on him from VA doesn't in itself tell anything. The way VA pushes it is townie. You know the dude. Can you show me some example(s) that contradict the statement of mine?
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Okay Koshi.. i really don't have time today. 
I'll look into it again first thing tomorrow. I just don't think VA is scum, but a reminder to myself;
Why the fuck does slOosh townread boxerfred?
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On January 10 2016 10:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:37 Tubesock wrote:
@Eden - I did think the thread was heading in the towning people for too dumb to be mafia reasons. Also I posted to post. At the time there really wasn't anything I felt compelled to respond to.
Easy town reads
Reyn, Eden, SloOsh, Nooniansoong
GGtemplar I didn't like his first like 5 posts but he looks a lot better this morning.
Koshi while gives me some weird scuzzies I am not willing to lynch him.
Vayne I am not willing to lynch either. I like his tone.
the rest haven't said anything I found interesting or memorable.
I have to work today and have Christmas dinner tonight but after that I'll be in thread. This is Tubesock's only post of the day and I'm not a fan. Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum
you are right.. this is really weird...
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i don't know yet. I am trying to read atm.
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slOosh at which point you start not scumreading Koshi anymore?
You said you didn't change your vote immediately after you changed your opinion on him here:
On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?
Please explain. Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all. Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg. I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind ##Unvote Koshi
What does this mean? Where does the read change, around which posts from Koshi?
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