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On January 11 2016 07:29 darthfoley wrote: I think he implied questioning your reads and their ease when he said that I said all there needs to be said (because I questioned your easy reads) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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On December 17 2015 02:46 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 02:58 GiygaS wrote:I'll reread tt filter and see, but all I have is null or town reads on everyone, except a tiny lean on Koshi from meta that I haven't even experienced. This read on koshi makes me think he's town. It is a very specific type of read. Very nuanced. Scum don't have nuanced reads like that. It was acutally nutcracker. This was the post I was talking about.
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On January 11 2016 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2016 07:58 slOosh wrote:On January 11 2016 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i am not gonna switch my vote, just that i can tell you "i told you so". You can lynch me if bf flips scum. But he doesn't, because noone is clearly pushing another lynch except for me. I'll switch if you can help me understand this part. noone is trying to lynch anyone. everybody is just "okay" with boxerfred being lynched. it's bullshit. he's never gonna flip scum.
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Woops, meant to include that with: We're going to get basically zero info out of it because it's basically been talked about that much.
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Well shit, thats fucking awesome.
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My "blue hunting" was me genuinely not knowing how a named VT works in the average game. I read it on the mafiascum wiki that their claim is very important, so I thought it might be worth asking to generate some non-joke discussion.
To explain my townread on boxerfred, while it was light, and dropped continuously as he didn't show up, was that he seemed to be reading posts very carefully to make analysis. He was picking out tiny things like the medic dodge specificity that I missed and thought was interesting, esp. when I was suspicious of Koshi at the time.
Updated reads for me is that ggtemp, koshi and sloosh are confirmed for the time being. Rayn is still very town in my eyes, and mderg has moved up since I don't think he would have swapped to a 1 vote wagon if he was scum trying to save his teammate (he would have swapped to one of the two vote wagons).
It's worth noting that we know boxer wasn't around as there's no way he wouldn't have either swapped votes or talked in the thread otherwise. So there was max 2 mafia in the thread at the time of the lynch.
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Sidenote you should lynch me cause I'm scum since I'm going through undertale genocide run
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I should add it is generally Not Alignment Indicative
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On January 11 2016 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: GiygaS why do YOU townread slOosh and kush?
On January 11 2016 07:32 GiygaS wrote:READ MY FUCKING EXPLANATION POST GODDAMNIT on sloosh: posts reads with logic behind them that seems to make sense. Esp. now he seems to be very concerned about where he puts his vote. on kush: This is admittedly much weaker than sloosh, I kept back and forthing him on my null and towny list while I was making the post. He's basically following the meta around how he plays as town. There's like a direct 1:1 between this post: Show nested quote +On January 09 2016 23:38 nooniansoong wrote:On January 09 2016 13:28 GiygaS wrote:On January 09 2016 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2016 13:21 GiygaS wrote:Fixed formatting On January 09 2016 13:20 GiygaS wrote:On January 09 2016 10:34 Koshi wrote:On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question? It has nothing to do with it. Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge. But the op is for 9 players. didn't see. This post is weird cause look at the setups, both on page 1 and on page 5 (the actual possibilities): page 1: A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF No named vt here so it can't mean the difference between cop and doc. But he says the op is for 9 players and made a mistake. What? page 5: The game setup is one of the following four:A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon So I went through the possibilities where named vt is the difference between a cop and a doc. A is the only scenario where it shows up, and cop appears in it and doc doesn't. The only scenario where Doc shows up and cop doesn't is C, but this would mean that either he's mafia and the team setup is RB GF Goon, or he's vig. However, vig cant be his role, because there's no situation where cop and vig are in the same game. I don't think you should think this is alignment indicative. Koshi is most likely telling the truth about not reading the setup on p5 (game start) as if he was lying and covering up later he would have covered up properly (he also misread the OP rofl). So the only conclusion is Koshi was being dumb, as either alignment. Eh, I'll take it with a grain of salt but I'd be lying if I said it won't affect my view on him looking forward. I like gigyas as town. Town read started here. This read here is nuanced when scums reads are more cut and dry. and the last one i played with him
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At work so can't talk much, but I think I'm starting to lay off Tubesock. Don't know who my next choice is though. Will have to go through filters when I get home.
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Time to claim. I'm cop checked tube sock he was mafia. Now back to work!
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Am I not supposed to immediately claim of I find red?
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And why would mafia frame tube when most people said they thought he was town again.
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On January 12 2016 08:15 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 08:14 GiygaS wrote: Am I not supposed to immediately claim of I find red? And this is where I learn I suck at this game even more than I thought
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On January 12 2016 08:23 Koshi wrote: ##vote: Tubesock
Giygas, promise me you are mafia or cop. Not a fucking vanilla townie being a giant dumbass. And if you are, please let us know in time. Which is right when you read this post. I am cop
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On January 12 2016 10:44 nooniansoong wrote: what the fuck is going on lol
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On January 12 2016 10:58 nooniansoong wrote: so i claim right? If you want to counter claim sloosh as named vt then yes. If you're just going to claim by don't bother.
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On January 12 2016 11:02 GiygaS wrote:If you want to counter claim sloosh as named vt then yes. If you're just going to claim vt don't bother. Ebwop
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On January 12 2016 15:52 slOosh wrote:Alright ... I think I've fully caught up (and I realize I've been spamming it up a bit so I'll cut back). I don't even know where to start this post .... uhhh warning stream of thought post coming up, feel free to skip to end for conclusion. GiygaS is confirmed town cop. + Show Spoiler [just for rayn] + Remember that very first GiygaS read? This was why. I read him blue / red for it but couldn't really flesh it out without accidentally outing myself as blue / him as blue.
I would have expected Tubesock to have a more ... knee jerk "GiygaS is full of BS dirty mafia fake claimer" given how firmly he believed that GiygaS was scum basically whole game till that point. That said, I could see him just take a step back and figure things out before posting, so null on the reaction point. As GGTeMpLaR has pointed out, it is statistically unlikely that there is a false positive check. That means framer chose not to frame themselves and instead chose to target Tubesock. Although it isn't outside the realm of possibilities that scum team read GiygaS as cop (maybe taking this post as indication of check). Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 06:07 GiygaS wrote: At work so can't talk much, but I think I'm starting to lay off Tubesock. Don't know who my next choice is though. Will have to go through filters when I get home. And if we are heading in the right direction, it wouldn't surprise me if scum decided they needed to take some ballsy plays to get back into the game. I've read the materials against darthfoley and it looks good. I agree with the general assessments, and find his D2 play has been more lackluster, perhaps showcasing that he has been more of a thread sentiment emulator rather than an independent poster. I'm trying to wrap my head around possible teams, and I don't think both darthfoley and Tubesock would go in the same team. From Eden's nicely colored voting pattern post, darthfoley's switcharoonies are only incriminating if Tubesock is town. I really don't see how they can both be scum buddies by the way that they voted. Darthfoley's MO is basically follow the crowd (shadowing me or rayn or whoever) on possible lynches - notice he never jumps onto boxerfred, but is comfortable jumping on and off Tubesock. He most definitely had opportunity to change his votes and it wouldn't look inconsistent with his playstyle, and so it feels too gutsy to be parking your vote on a scum buddy like that. Right now I'm thinking darthfoley scum Tubesock town. I could definitely still just be biased from defending Tubesock D1 so gonna sleep on it, but that's where I currently am. I would very much appreciate if scott31337 and noonian could get in here and make sense of things too. Because if both of them aren't scum, then the last one is hiding somewhere else, and I'd like more info for when that time comes. My main issue with this is I don't think mafia would have killed rayne if they knew I was cop.
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