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Eden1892
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Eden1892
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So a short filter and him calling some of his town reads easy is the difference between "null" and "top lynch"? | ||
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Eden1892
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I think I understand what you are trying to say now. You are saying that: Easy reads on sloosh, Noonian? None of these reads have any reasoning behind them. The vagueness with things like tone or "weird scuzzies" make me think scum is the difference between Tubesock being "null" and Tubesock being "top lynch." Is that correct? | ||
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Eden1892
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On January 10 2016 17:19 GiygaS wrote: Along with the context that that was basically his only content post, which I didn't think needed to be said in my post. So his reads made him your top lynch because he didn't explain them? You realize that you argue this in the same post where you give a reads list, largely without any explanation of the reads therein, which has almost the exact same reads as the ones you're criticizing, right? This is where I don't follow you and I'm starting to think Tubesock may be right. When I see that someone who hasn't posted much in the thread has remarkably similar reads to me, I generally move them from my null pile to my town-lean pile -- as their having similar reads is usually an indicator that they're seeing the same things I'm seeing. If their posts are vague and that catches my attention, I usually ask them about their reads and why they came to the conclusions they did. But I don't think I've ever had the idea that someone who had very similar reads to me is mafia for not explaining those reads very much. It just doesn't make sense. And then in particular, the idea that he was null before that post, but top scum afterward, doesn't sit well with me or make much sense to me either. It would seem to me that if Tubesock had never posted that post, you would still have him in your null pile. But because he posts reads largely agreeing with you, and doesn't explain them as much, that makes him top scum? I don't buy it. | ||
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Eden1892
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Someone do me a solid and give a tldr for boxerfred being the lynch over either of giygas or tube sock please. Don't particularly mind it, but would like to understand the development. TIA. | ||
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Eden1892
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I guess I should ask for a little more than tldr lol | ||
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Eden1892
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I'd rather one of giygas or tube sock though. Pref giygas | ||
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Eden1892
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Kmatt lives too? | ||
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Eden1892
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Great feature btw. Even if replacing is a bitch, mod killing people isn't fun either. | ||
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Eden1892
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I will go out on a limb a bit and say that everyone that killed boxerfred is town. Ray put it best: no one was trying to kill boxerfred. We just had a LOT of people saying "sure, why not." I think it's extremely unlikely for instance that both tube sock and giygas are mafia, and so that means the mafia could have pushed one of those wagons over the top. This indicates a mafia that's relatively inactive, maybe one active player tops who couldn't steer conversation by himself. And I think we get a bunch of confirmed town off the boxerfred wagon. | ||
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Eden1892
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Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (1): Kmatt GGTemplar, Sloosh, Koshi and mderg are for sure town. Ray is also town. He had plenty of opportunities to drive one of the Tubesock/Giygas wagons home if he wanted to save boxerfred -- from the strict standpoint of saving mafia, his line was very inefficient -- and he would have also been okay bussing boxerfred if he felt boxerfred couldn't be saved. Scott jumping in immediately with some knowledge bombs after replacing in doesn't mean anything. Dude probably had these notes all day from observing the game and updated them once he dropped in. If his activity keeps up then I'm not lynching him, but it's important not to give a pass just yet. Really just do not give a fuck about VA or kush right now. ray is going to make me give a fuck before the night's over, and I'm fine with that. Will look into these guys next chance I get. Still think there's probably one mafia between Tubesock and GiygaS, and that zero is only marginally more likely than two (which just isn't happening). Aaaand that leaves darthfoley who I remember being ok. Think my priority is: (1) figure out how I feel about VA and Kush (2) figure out this GiygaS/Tubesock thing **(3) paranoid lynch ray way down the line because he's the only player here good enough as scum for me to totally whiff on. (** 3 may not apply and I plan for it not to) | ||
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Eden1892
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On January 11 2016 07:35 mderg wrote: He's at least playing pretty similar to his last towngame On January 11 2016 07:53 mderg wrote: Well, kush is producing less content than the last game I've played with him. And even in that game he was not producing enough content for me. I can definitely see where you're coming from. This sequence confuses me. If kush is playing similarly to his last town game, then what does it matter what his content level is, mderg? Why did you switch your vote? | ||
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Eden1892
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Eden1892
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Then I forgot. Whups. But I DID remember this: If anyone besides Koshi or ray dies tonight, then we can be pretty sure we have a doctor. Since both of them are very likely town, and they're never both mafia this game, neither of them dying indicates a medic dodge kill. | ||
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Eden1892
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I think Tubesock is town. I am not sure if GiygaS is town or mafia. Very willing to entertain that the argument was between two townies, am 100% sure it wasn't two mafia. If this isn't obvious to anyone at this point, I can elaborate, but I think Tubesock's posting throughout this phase speaks for itself. He had a mediocre/bad start, but that doesn't mean very much, and his recovery has me sold. + Show Spoiler [For Eden] + Don't bother reading this, I was gonna do this but then I saw the stuff about darthfoley and found more interesting stuff to talk about. Typing all this with html tags was a bitch so I'm keeping this here for later. Following from that, some vote count analysis. I'm filling in my reads as green and flipped boxerfred as red. I will keep my reads limited to the ones I think are uncontroversial so as to limit the number of leaps needed to accept my premises. Vote Count (16.5 hours) Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong Koshi (1): boxerfred GiygaS (1): Tubesock (9.5 hours) Vote Count Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet (1.5 hours) Unofficial Vote Count Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred (1 hour) Official Vote Count Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred (Final) Final Vote Count boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote: Good morning I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now. On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote: Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh ##Vote: VayneAuthority On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote: I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town. I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock. ##Unvote darthfoley: What changed in between these posts for you? You retracted your vote on Tubesock about 6.5 hours before the lynch, saying that you were satisfied with Tubesock's defense of himself. You even felt that your argument on Vayne was better for the matter, since it didn't try to resolve a confusing situation between GiygaS and Tubesock. But then just a few hours later, you say that because Vayne is "consistently not substantive as town" on D1, you're back to voting Tubesock? Even though you were satisfied with his defense? | ||
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Eden1892
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On January 12 2016 07:11 nooniansoong wrote: i townread darthfoley for somethign but i forget what Oh, well that changes everything. | ||
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Eden1892
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On January 12 2016 07:22 darthfoley wrote: What changed is that I went back and looked at Tubesock vs. GiygaS again. As GiygaS pointed out, Tubesock had basically only provided one read of substance (exluding posts like, "I like darth because his posts feel towny") the entire day: GiygaS. I also realized that his case of GiygaS regarding "our reads are the same but he says it's weird" is actually quite easily explained... because my original post that GiygaS quoted explained his reasoning in full. So you reread Tubesock's posts, after your unvote, and found that Tubesock had only given one read all day? That's odd. How much reading did you really do? Because before you even unvoted, Tubesock had plenty to say about other people in the game: On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote: I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though. Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon. I don't know how to help you with a meta read, but if you have some other questions I'm around because apparently I'm not sleeping for awhile. On January 11 2016 01:56 darthfoley wrote: Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred I also question that you went back and reread the initial case Tubesock gave, as if you had, you would have noticed that GiygaS did not quote you in his original post. Tubesock filled in the posts from you to explain his case. Would you care to resolve these discrepancies? | ||
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Eden1892
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Why did you have GiygaS as one of your best targets when you returned to the thread and unvoted Tubesock? What did you see that made you do a complete 180 there? | ||
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Eden1892
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Top targets: darthfoley, scott31337 Figure these guys out: Nooniansoong, VayneAuthority, GiygaS Watch this guy who's probably town, but also good enough to be mafia here: raynpelikoneet | ||
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