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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 02:44 GMT
#139
On January 09 2016 11:41 Koshi wrote:
They had a jk which is a medic.

Can you explain to me ow this could ever make me mafia?

I thought it could, as there is a possibility of you trying to cover your sayings based on something you didn't base them in the first place. i.e. the real setup --> the example in OP.

You are right, it doesn't mean anything most likely.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 02:48 GMT
#141
On January 09 2016 11:46 Tubesock wrote:
Is this going to be another game where people get towned for dumb tells or not reading the OP?

who is reading anyone town based on them not reading the OP?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 02:59 GMT
#143
Well then i don't understand why you would possibly want to bring up (bitch about) something that has not happened...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 03:16 GMT
#148
On January 09 2016 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work

He's struggling to create a filter

most likely mafia

idk... i found his questions for me and GGTemplar to be quite decent.
Like i agree that the question to GGT is weirdly worded but i found his first post odd aswell and basically thought about the same thing he did.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 03:18 GMT
#149
slOosh can i have a summary on where you stand readwise atm?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 03:35 GMT
#153
On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote:
Hmm big things are you as strong town for picking up on similar things to me + more.

GGTeMpLaR I also noticed his first post was kinda awkward, but I felt like he could very well be those townies that if you pressure they just ... react poorly? I'm not sure how to phrase it, but I don't think a direct pressure approach would work out. So I wanted him to post on something else to figure out if he is nervous b/c scum or nervous b/c newer player.

Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around.

No one else has too much for me.

Okay so... I guess you asked me about GiygaS based on this post here:
On January 09 2016 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have tentative townreads on kush, mderg, GiygaS and maybe Koshi.

What makes you ask about GiygaS and not about any other reads of mine? I mean, why did you single out GiygaS over all the other people in this post? Also if you agree with my townread on GiygaS whay isn't he your townread atm?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 03:42 GMT
#158
On January 09 2016 12:40 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 12:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so... I guess you asked me about GiygaS based on this post here:
On January 09 2016 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have tentative townreads on kush, mderg, GiygaS and maybe Koshi.

What makes you ask about GiygaS and not about any other reads of mine? I mean, why did you single out GiygaS over all the other people in this post? Also if you agree with my townread on GiygaS whay isn't he your townread atm?

I asked specifically about GiygaS because I took his initial wording as more scum vibe. It's really awkward that a VT would say "vanilla town" and not differentiate that he is talking about the Named VT, and I think blue roles are somewhat unlikely to want to talk about role claiming and whatnot, which leaves perhaps a careless scum post.

I don't agree with the conclusion of your townread but I understand it and find it logical.

Okay that makes sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 03:46 GMT
#160
Oh yeah there was actually something else on GiygaS.
I liked his post where he stated he is going to be more active this game than usual. It is true that he usually (from what i remember) get scumread for lack of activity and promising more activity i conder to be a towntell -- since he could just "follow his inactive meta" as mafia and then, if people scumread him for it, say that it goes along with his meta and is not a reason to scumread him for.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 03:49 GMT
#161
Koshi i don't think slOosh is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 03:57 GMT
#167
On January 09 2016 12:54 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i don't think slOosh is scum.

sure. It is possible.

actually nevermind, i retract from the townread on him.
I totally misremembered what slOosh's scumplay looks like...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 04:07 GMT
#169
On January 09 2016 13:00 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 12:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2016 12:54 Koshi wrote:
On January 09 2016 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i don't think slOosh is scum.

sure. It is possible.

actually nevermind, i retract from the townread on him.
I totally misremembered what slOosh's scumplay looks like...

I agree that "Watch very closely" is a better status than "Don't think he is scum"

Yeah i like.. I remembered the game on top of my head, the game Ver hosted a couple of years ago (where i think was the last time i saw slOosh play scum) --Sicilian mafia style. There i felt like slOosh had really hard time giving any opinion on anything and didn't follow up on his posts at all, couldn't explain himself at all. Which was different from the game i played on with him later on where he was town. I felt the early activity, him explaining himself and seemingly trying to figure out things made way more sense from him as town.

Then i went to the database and looked his latest games. He's actually "nowadays" way more aggressive than he has been before, as town. And as scum... well not that much, but he still provides thoughts and shit.

I actually think your argument on him being scum is at least reasonable. Too early to tell imo, but yes, it makes sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 04:09 GMT
#171
Yeah i agree that read on you VA is not good at all...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 04:11 GMT
#173
On January 09 2016 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i agree that read on you VA is not good at all...

It's like "well i think VA is scum but he could also be town if that's how he plays as town -- cba to figure out though".
Like why give a conditional read like that when you can just go to the database and see if it checks out or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 04:24 GMT
#177
On January 09 2016 13:21 GiygaS wrote:
Fixed formatting
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 13:20 GiygaS wrote:
On January 09 2016 10:34 Koshi wrote:
On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question?
It has nothing to do with it.

Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge.

But the op is for 9 players. didn't see.

This post is weird cause look at the setups, both on page 1 and on page 5 (the actual possibilities):
page 1:
A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF
D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF

No named vt here so it can't mean the difference between cop and doc. But he says the op is for 9 players and made a mistake. What?

page 5:
The game setup is one of the following four:
A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon

So I went through the possibilities where named vt is the difference between a cop and a doc. A is the only scenario where it shows up, and cop appears in it and doc doesn't. The only scenario where Doc shows up and cop doesn't is C, but this would mean that either he's mafia and the team setup is RB GF Goon, or he's vig. However, vig cant be his role, because there's no situation where cop and vig are in the same game.


I don't think you should think this is alignment indicative.
Koshi is most likely telling the truth about not reading the setup on p5 (game start) as if he was lying and covering up later he would have covered up properly (he also misread the OP rofl).

So the only conclusion is Koshi was being dumb, as either alignment.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 04:28 GMT
#179
On January 09 2016 13:27 GiygaS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 11:41 Koshi wrote:
They had a jk which is a medic.

Can you explain to me ow this could ever make me mafia?

There's still no named vt in the op, so it can't be the difference between anything if you're basing it on that.

boxer = named VT
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 04:35 GMT
#183
lol darthfoley goes to the townpile
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 04:42 GMT
#187
On January 09 2016 13:37 GiygaS wrote:
Currently feeling weird about mderg and sloosh. Sloosh for reasons other people are giving, and I find it weird that mderg showed up, talked about my question (NAI) then peaced out for no good reason.

Is there a reason why this is scummy/weird for mderg but not for kush?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 08:21 GMT
#229
boo to yourself eden
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 08:30 GMT
#232
Although i wanna ask you something slOosh:

I understand the townie motive on the "makes sense" thingy Eden is questioning you about (although you can probably answer him on it yourself). What i don't understand is the following:

- You scumread GiygaS
- You ask me why i townread him.
- I tell you why i townread him.
- You say it makes sense but don't agree with the conclusion. (although you only state that later on, but it happens here)
- I ask you for your reads.
- You tell me one of the people who doesn't stand out is GiygaS



Now how do the red and the green part go together?
There should be nothing inbetween that makes you change your mind on GiygaS from "scum" --> "doesn't stand out" (no, the bolded part doesn't do that as you literally state that you don't agree with me).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2016 08:33 GMT
#233
On January 09 2016 17:27 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2016 17:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
boo to yourself eden

You do read what I say!

I am curious why you and slOosh seemed to just mutually drop your conversation about your divergent reads on GiygaS. Weren't you a little curious why slOosh could read the same thing you did and conclude the exact opposite thing about GiygaS's alignment?

There is no reason for me to answer this before slOosh does.
I will after that. I will just say that coming to opposite conclusion (which is btw pretty strong wording here -- since i literally stated my read is "tentative") and concluding that the other person makes sense are not mutually exclusive.
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