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VA. Master of pushing mafia agenda. I bow down to you.
Would be brilliant if you would be mafia.
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The Named VT is probably town yeah.
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Maybe make a case on why Giygas is town?
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You do realize Sloosh is the named VT right?
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So you decide to make a towncase on an uncc named VT.
Brilliant.
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On January 13 2016 01:09 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 01:07 Koshi wrote:
So you decide to make a towncase on an uncc named VT.
Brilliant. Can't all be as smart and wise as you.
I am not sure anybody could be.
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↑ That guy comes close though
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I am going to let you guys play a bit.
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On January 13 2016 06:44 GiygaS wrote:
I'm a little bit weirded out that widen refused to believe my cop claim until everybody else did
Who the fuck is widen?
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On January 13 2016 07:54 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2016 11:50 Eden1892 wrote:On January 12 2016 08:58 darthfoley wrote:On January 12 2016 07:48 Eden1892 wrote:On January 12 2016 07:22 darthfoley wrote:On January 12 2016 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:Updated thoughts from everybody's favorite townie. I think Tubesock is town. I am not sure if GiygaS is town or mafia. Very willing to entertain that the argument was between two townies, am 100% sure it wasn't two mafia. If this isn't obvious to anyone at this point, I can elaborate, but I think Tubesock's posting throughout this phase speaks for itself. He had a mediocre/bad start, but that doesn't mean very much, and his recovery has me sold. + Show Spoiler [For Eden] +Don't bother reading this, I was gonna do this but then I saw the stuff about darthfoley and found more interesting stuff to talk about. Typing all this with html tags was a bitch so I'm keeping this here for later.Following from that, some vote count analysis. I'm filling in my reads as green and flipped boxerfred as red. I will keep my reads limited to the ones I think are uncontroversial so as to limit the number of leaps needed to accept my premises.
Vote Count (16.5 hours)
Tubesock (4): Eden1892, Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
slOosh (2): GGTeMpLaR, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
Koshi (1): boxerfred
GiygaS (1): Tubesock
(9.5 hours)
Vote Count
Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, darthfoley
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
boxerfred (1): GGTeMpLaR
nooniansoong (1): Raynpelikoneet
(1.5 hours)
Unofficial Vote Count
Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
(1 hour)
Official Vote Count
Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
(Final)
Final Vote Count
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
On January 11 2016 01:45 darthfoley wrote:
Good morning
I like the way Tubesock has defended himself over the past 3-4 pages so i'm ##unvoting for now. On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh
##Vote: VayneAuthority On January 11 2016 06:28 darthfoley wrote:
I read through VA's filters from the previous two games and I see what rayne is saying. VA's D1 posts are consistently not substantive as town.
I don't see any sense in considering Rayne as a better lynch than Noonian on D1, so I'm back on Tubesock.
##Unvote
darthfoley: What changed in between these posts for you? You retracted your vote on Tubesock about 6.5 hours before the lynch, saying that you were satisfied with Tubesock's defense of himself. You even felt that your argument on Vayne was better for the matter, since it didn't try to resolve a confusing situation between GiygaS and Tubesock. But then just a few hours later, you say that because Vayne is "consistently not substantive as town" on D1, you're back to voting Tubesock? Even though you were satisfied with his defense? What changed is that I went back and looked at Tubesock vs. GiygaS again. As GiygaS pointed out, Tubesock had basically only provided one read of substance (exluding posts like, "I like darth because his posts feel towny") the entire day: GiygaS. I also realized that his case of GiygaS regarding "our reads are the same but he says it's weird" is actually quite easily explained... because my original post that GiygaS quoted explained his reasoning in full. So you reread Tubesock's posts, after your unvote, and found that Tubesock had only given one read all day? That's odd. How much reading did you really do? Because before you even unvoted, Tubesock had plenty to say about other people in the game: On January 11 2016 00:47 Tubesock wrote:On January 11 2016 00:40 Koshi wrote:
VA, Boxerfred, Sloosh need to be lynched if Tubesock isnt' happening.
Kush is a terrible lynch.
Giygas is just not mafia.
Tubesock is fucking hard to read. I'm onboard for the Boxerfred or Kmatt lynch. VA is an ok enough lynch. He'd be number 4 though. Noon is a terrible lynch. I'd lynch Rayne before Noon. I don't know how to help you with a meta read, but if you have some other questions I'm around because apparently I'm not sleeping for awhile. On January 11 2016 01:56 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I'm most suspicious of GiygaS or VA for a red D1 lynch, but I'd also like to hear the case on boxerfred I also question that you went back and reread the initial case Tubesock gave, as if you had, you would have noticed that GiygaS did not quote you in his original post. Tubesock filled in the posts from you to explain his case. Would you care to resolve these discrepancies? I said he only posted one read of substance. Regarding the reads you quoted, I explained at the time that it didn't make sense to consider Noon more towny than Rayne at that point in the game. I think being "onboard" for boxerfred or Kmatt is pretty safe at that point in the voting process, especially because at this time it was 4 to 3 for Tubesock vs. Boxerfred. Would've been tied 4/4 if he changed from GiygaS to Boxerfred. Boxerfred hadn't been very active and you would get lots of town cred if you supported a correct lynch day 1. I mean we've already confirmed town everyone who voted for Boxerfred, so losing an inactive mafia isn't the end of the world if it basically makes you an unlynchable for a while. However, people then jumped off the Tubesock wagon and he didn't need to do this, while still getting towncred for being "okay" with a boxerfred lynch and consistency for sticking with GiygaS. GiygaS didn't directly quote me, but he basically did "not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't" That's great and all, but at the end of the day, you're not explaining why it is that Tubesock's posting, which was essentially unchanged between your unvote and your subsequent vote, no longer was townie enough for you. You've just gone in after being called on it and basically said some things that, if true, were already true of Tubesock before you unvoted. Like if you felt his reads weren't substantive enough, that's fine, but you either decided that they were substantive enough when you unvoted him (as that was the reason you voted him initially), or you unvoted him despite them not being substantive enough. Either way there's a glaring discrepancy that your explanation fails to satisfy. At the time I unvoted I did believe Tubesock's defense against GiygaS. However, as the day progressed I realized how easy I am to manipulate because most arguments seem more credible to me than they really are. I started to get this feeling because Rayne kept grilling Tubesock over it regarding details I hadn't thought of. I then voted on VA because I was suspicious of his inactivity and thought it was a safe bet. But because I trusted Rayne the most, I took his advice and looked through his D1 posts from other games. I saw his point and decided that I wouldn't vote VA EoD1, leaving me to either go back to Tubesock, or randomly vote for people I didn't have strong suspicions of: GiygaS, Boxerfred, slOosh or Koshi. I didn't find any of those people more suspicious than Tubesock, so I voted Tubesock. Even though Tubesock had 3 votes when I got back on the wagon, votes were spread thinly so I didn't want to screw up with some shot in the dark against someone else.
You didn't take rayn his advice. rayn went to noon and you kept telling the thread to lynch Tubesock? Why did you want to lynch him?
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darthfoley called me possible mafia. Awesome. Of course I am mafia on who mafia boxerfred showed face on with his fake as shit case, and then I ended up on boxerfred instead of any other guy I could have picked.
He even claims that if I am mafia, Tubesock is town, which is entirely the most retarded thing ever because if I am mafia bussing, I probably want to do that to save my more active buddy or w.e.
This is such a bullshit association to make. Insane. Just fucking insane. If I join rayn (which I super easily could have done) we would have lynched Kush. Or is he also my mafia buddy?
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Fuck. That wall of text is just rehearsing what has been said and some really dumb shit. The guy believes Eden is locked town and all others are suspicious? If anybody is suspicious it is Eden. Doing fucking nothing.
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wtf has Eden done except attack confrimed town with Sloosh and Giygas? Or for some fucking reason been unable to take a hard stance on the redcheck ???
Explain me that.
Eden is somebody who solves games. Not some insecure pussy not being able to make up his goddamn mind.
If you think he is lock town. You are bad.
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Looking at Eden his posts they are beyond trash. If I would lynch anybody except Tubesock it is Eden.
He has the shitiest filter and he really shouldnt.
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That's what you get when you ruin a day by spoiling a redcheck when there is a framer in the game and there is no fucking chance you would ever die, so no more checks after this.... People like Eden get a free pass into the next cycle.
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Really annoying stuff boys. But Eden is far from town. far from. Remember it.
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On January 11 2016 08:53 Eden1892 wrote:
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred
Not voted (1): Kmatt
GGTemplar, Sloosh, Koshi and mderg are for sure town.
Ray is also town. He had plenty of opportunities to drive one of the Tubesock/Giygas wagons home if he wanted to save boxerfred -- from the strict standpoint of saving mafia, his line was very inefficient -- and he would have also been okay bussing boxerfred if he felt boxerfred couldn't be saved.
Scott jumping in immediately with some knowledge bombs after replacing in doesn't mean anything. Dude probably had these notes all day from observing the game and updated them once he dropped in. If his activity keeps up then I'm not lynching him, but it's important not to give a pass just yet.
Really just do not give a fuck about VA or kush right now. ray is going to make me give a fuck before the night's over, and I'm fine with that. Will look into these guys next chance I get.
Still think there's probably one mafia between Tubesock and GiygaS, and that zero is only marginally more likely than two (which just isn't happening).
Aaaand that leaves darthfoley who I remember being ok.
Think my priority is:
(1) figure out how I feel about VA and Kush
(2) figure out this GiygaS/Tubesock thing
**(3) paranoid lynch ray way down the line because he's the only player here good enough as scum for me to totally whiff on.
(** 3 may not apply and I plan for it not to)
Then a redcheck happens by giygas and guess what? TUBESOCK WAS FRAMED BOYS.
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