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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 08:24 GMT
#2164
Oh right the mason thing... i forgot. They didn't actually claim though right, people just super assumed it?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 08:26 GMT
#2167
Idk the arguing over that shit was hard to read.

I took it all with a grain of salt and never saw them really come out and say they were maybe I missed it.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 08:27 GMT
#2168
On December 29 2015 17:25 ritoky wrote:
no they claimed, she made a giant multi-paragraph post about why she did it too.


Ah ok, now you can confirm me not reading then.

Well then I give even less of a shit that she voted Rels with a lot of us.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 08:34 GMT
#2172
On December 29 2015 17:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 17:26 Tictock wrote:
Idk the arguing over that shit was hard to read.

I took it all with a grain of salt and never saw them really come out and say they were maybe I missed it.

Yeah.. Was that because Exo yelled for pages that rsoultin needs to confirm she is mason with Coag by telling in the mason QT his username and the other forum they have played and Coag did confirm that.

Or did you forget about this all too?


Nah I read all that, and Rsoul couldn't remember what Exo's name was from the other site.

Turned out to be SilentButterflies or summin.

I thought Exo revealed his name before Coag posted it in game, and after Rsoul talked abut being embarrassed she couldn't remember it past SB
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 08:46 GMT
#2180
On December 29 2015 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 29 2015 17:41 ritoky wrote:
has anyone played with moosy more than once? and can they confirm the whole gives a shit = mafia; fucks off/does dumb shit = town read that he self-proclaims?

can confirm. he can get vigged too.
he is basically mislynch number one if he is town and therefore +1 scum.


I kinda agree with this assesment.

I'd lean on him being town atm, but he'd 100% abuse his self meta all day everyday if he thinks it will work.

He's also been playing games elsewhere (I think) so expect his play to have changed since he first started playing here.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 09:26 GMT
#2205
On December 29 2015 18:16 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky care to explain:

Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 04:41 ritoky wrote:
well and TT did this last game where some1 made a case on him, he had lynch pressure, then he spammed a bunch of posts for some TRs, then fucked off. spoiler: he was mafia in that game.

i really wanna vote vivax with rayn tho, but i pretty much agree with HF that i think he is just JK doing some dumb shit.


this is exactly what just happened. You called it, and yet you still switched. (I'm currently on page 93, but if you switched after saying this there better be a damn good explanation)


This has happened D1 in the last 3 games I played.

Huanted Mansion - I was Town

Nutcraker - I was Mafia

And now here. Though I'm amazed that Rels actually got lynched over me.

It's funny you said "swapped in a couple hours" in an earlier post kus it was more a matter of minuets that it all went down.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 10:44 GMT
#2246
On December 29 2015 18:49 ExO_ wrote:
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On December 29 2015 18:26 Tictock wrote:
On December 29 2015 18:16 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky care to explain:

On December 29 2015 04:41 ritoky wrote:
well and TT did this last game where some1 made a case on him, he had lynch pressure, then he spammed a bunch of posts for some TRs, then fucked off. spoiler: he was mafia in that game.

i really wanna vote vivax with rayn tho, but i pretty much agree with HF that i think he is just JK doing some dumb shit.


this is exactly what just happened. You called it, and yet you still switched. (I'm currently on page 93, but if you switched after saying this there better be a damn good explanation)


This has happened D1 in the last 3 games I played.

Huanted Mansion - I was Town

Nutcraker - I was Mafia

And now here. Though I'm amazed that Rels actually got lynched over me.

It's funny you said "swapped in a couple hours" in an earlier post kus it was more a matter of minuets that it all went down.


yes it was. I went to sleep about 2 hours before EoD, which is why I said a couple of hours. This whole thing went down so suddenly. So I'll walk you through where I'm at right now:

Palmar just switched out of the blue. No explanation. I want one.

Koshi's vote change seems suspect to me as well. I don't see why he did it.

Damdred's vote change is shitty, but at least he was talking about rel prior to the last second vote swapping

Ritoky literally calls that if TT is scum he'll come in and talk at the last second and get it switched to someone else. Then helps this precise thing to happen. What the fuck.

I could keep going but basically everyone flip flopped without explaining why. I get that it was last second but it seems fucked up. Damdred is the only person that I see that showed interest in rels before hand.

So what I'm sitting here trying to figure out, is what motivation does mafia team have to make all of these vote shenanigans happen if TT isn't scum? I can't come up with anything that is super reasonable. If TT is mafia, then I can understand the last second vote switching (giving very little time for reaction/discussion.) I think it's possible mafia saw damdred and somebody else say rels and ran a gamble to pull votes off TT.

But it all hinges on TT being mafia. If he isn't then I'm at a bit of a loss. I think TT should be our next lynch (at least for now) because if he is mafia it'll really help to clear things up, and if he isn't mafia it'll at least provide more information to work with.

The other thing I'm really struggling with, is HF jumping onto the TT wagon at the end. Is he scum trying to earn a bit of town cred by saying he tried to save the mislynch, or is he town actually trying to prevent a last second vote swap off a target that he himself didn't think was worth voting for.

idk, was such a stupid vote switch and it's messing with my ability to think it through :/


This post feels off to me.

If there is mafia bussing me like you seem to be assuming, why would they wait till last min to seriously start a wagon on someone else?
Especially given that it would have been far easier to follow Rayn back onto Vivax much earlier or something.
+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly I don't think mafia would ever need to bus a teammate D1 in a game like this.

Hell me and Tube carried Vivax into D3 with a <2page filter last game. Despite my deep desire to bus the shit out of him.


Why is it impossible I'm town and so were most of the people pulling shenannies?

Rit also explained why he switched, but you still seem to be upset with him. Did you not like his reasoning?


Making a mental note to reread your filter tomorrow. You've had some skewed thinking this game.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 23:36 GMT
#2588
On December 30 2015 08:21 Onegu wrote:
Red Check on TT


Thanks onegu, now I can just read along at my leasure and not worry about these 20 new pages.

Lynch Onegu when I flip miller.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 23:39 GMT
#2597
Actually I'm being stupid, I'm not miller.

Still, lynch Onegu when I flip.

There is no way his claim is legit.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 23:43 GMT
#2606
Saying miller was stupid, but I'm blue not red so stuff it.

Lynch me if you need to, but Onegu is 100% mafia.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 23:49 GMT
#2621
Fine I'm gunsmith.

I hate claims.

Lynch me to prove it I can't pass out anymore guns after this either way.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 29 2015 23:54 GMT
#2637
On December 30 2015 08:51 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 08:49 Tictock wrote:
Fine I'm gunsmith.

I hate claims.

Lynch me to prove it I can't pass out anymore guns after this either way.


"I gave a gun to ritoky because..."

finish the claim if you're gonna do it.


Was pretty sure you were town but weren't likely to die.

Somehow i doubt anyone likes my reasoning.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 30 2015 02:02 GMT
#2712
Yep, my new years gift to you all is an easy obvious lynch today.

I played like shit, I deserve it.

Gunna for reactions to my flip, but we have to wait almost 72 hours... Lame.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 30 2015 04:56 GMT
#2753
On December 30 2015 12:30 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 11:02 Tictock wrote:
Yep, my new years gift to you all is an easy obvious lynch today.

I played like shit, I deserve it.

Gunna for reactions to my flip, but we have to wait almost 72 hours... Lame.

this was a scum claim right?


I'm not gunna bother to try and show that both Onegu and Damdred are lying here when. I can do that far more effectively and with much less effort on my part by simply dying here.

Though tbh I'm confused why damdred is fake claiming here. I guess he really wants me dead?

So yea, solid info from my flip def outweighs the last gun I have to give imo.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 30 2015 10:26 GMT
#2794
On December 30 2015 18:32 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 18:21 ExO_ wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
exo are you caught up fully with the thread?


For the most part. If I understand correctly:

Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum.

Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him.

I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well.


Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable?


Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by.

If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk.


I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies.

Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened.


I didn't want to claim.

+ Show Spoiler [Stuff you wont believe till later] +

My dumbass decided to post "Lynch Onegu when I flip miller" Rather than just "...when I flip"

At least I'm glad I gave the gun to you kus I'm certain your town based off stuff today. I almost gave it to Damdred.

My EoD posts did have a lot of "You all are gunna be mad at me when I die" stuff.

My perspective right now is that Rayn/Art were onto something with Vivax/Palmar. At least one of them is scum imo and prob an important role.

Only reason it makes sense to have 2 people fake claims to get me lynched today.

Onegu is prob goon and doesn't have much time so is making the 1v1 trade for me.

Damdred Idk about. I'm fairly sure Onegu wouldn't fakeclaim on me outta the blue like this as town. There is some faint tinfoil ideas about Damdred faking a claim as town to get me lynched, it makes sense for him to be convinced I'm mafia here. Like it's a really stupid play for scum!Damdred to fake claim GS to get me lynched when there is already a red check on me.

I'd still put money on SL being scum this game as well, possibly still Ness and Kush. Ness I'm honestly thinking might have legit stormed off from the game though... though I think that's more likely to happen is he's scum here feeling caught rather than a town who just felt under pressure. Idk be interesting to gauge his return.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 30 2015 10:32 GMT
#2796
On December 30 2015 19:29 Koshi wrote:
tt, I don't know if you are retarded. But you do understand that the only way you aren't fucking mafia is if Ness it the DT right?

I haven't been keeping track.

Since Damdred claimed GS it seems best for the real cop to not claim actually.

You guys lynch me I flip GS and you all get to lynch Onegu the next day and debate about Damdred.

Cop could easily make it a few more days at this rate.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 30 2015 10:33 GMT
#2797
On December 30 2015 19:29 Koshi wrote:
tt, I don't know if you are retarded. But you do understand that the only way you aren't fucking mafia is if Ness it the DT right?


And yea I prob am this game.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 30 2015 10:44 GMT
#2802
On December 30 2015 19:38 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 19:26 Tictock wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:32 ritoky wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:21 ExO_ wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
exo are you caught up fully with the thread?


For the most part. If I understand correctly:

Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum.

Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him.

I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well.


Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable?


Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by.

If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk.


I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies.

Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened.


I didn't want to claim.

+ Show Spoiler [Stuff you wont believe till later] +

My dumbass decided to post "Lynch Onegu when I flip miller" Rather than just "...when I flip"

At least I'm glad I gave the gun to you kus I'm certain your town based off stuff today. I almost gave it to Damdred.

My EoD posts did have a lot of "You all are gunna be mad at me when I die" stuff.

My perspective right now is that Rayn/Art were onto something with Vivax/Palmar. At least one of them is scum imo and prob an important role.

Only reason it makes sense to have 2 people fake claims to get me lynched today.

Onegu is prob goon and doesn't have much time so is making the 1v1 trade for me.

Damdred Idk about. I'm fairly sure Onegu wouldn't fakeclaim on me outta the blue like this as town. There is some faint tinfoil ideas about Damdred faking a claim as town to get me lynched, it makes sense for him to be convinced I'm mafia here. Like it's a really stupid play for scum!Damdred to fake claim GS to get me lynched when there is already a red check on me.

I'd still put money on SL being scum this game as well, possibly still Ness and Kush. Ness I'm honestly thinking might have legit stormed off from the game though... though I think that's more likely to happen is he's scum here feeling caught rather than a town who just felt under pressure. Idk be interesting to gauge his return.


I need you to explain to me some things:

1) Why claim today when red checked but not yesterday when 7 minutes from lynch?

2) Why is onegu mafia? (other than I am GS and he claimed red)

3) Elaborate on your damdred tinfoil theories; he claimed your role, why isn't he mafia?

4) Why should I believe you when there's an uncc'd cop with a red check?


This is why claims are weird.

You shouldn't, but I know you should...

Also why I'm inclined to listen to Koshi and stop posting
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 30 2015 11:09 GMT
#2805
On December 30 2015 19:38 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 19:26 Tictock wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:32 ritoky wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:21 ExO_ wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:16 ritoky wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote:
On December 30 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:
exo are you caught up fully with the thread?


For the most part. If I understand correctly:

Mafia has 2 kills, and then a 2 shot vig. Which explains the 3 deaths. Onegu is claiming a red check on TT, with no counter claim so far. I'm inclined to believe him b/c of the post TT made with the popcorn. I think TT is scum.

Artanis and Rayn were both convinced Palmar was scum. And I tend to agree. I'm in favor of lynching Palmar today for this reason: This means that if somebody CC's Onegu's claim we're not having last minute vote shenanigans again. If nothing changes in regards to TT then I think one of our gunsmith's shoot him.

I think I need to go really closely read how the vote switching happened. Who switched. Why they said they switched. I think some clues are there. And I think Artanis/rayn's filter should be read closely as well.


Why do you prefer a lynch on a scum read (to which there is a level of uncertainty) versus a player who is red checked by an uncc'd cop and CC'd for the role he claimed (which seems far more definitive)? What's the difference between lynching TT and shooting palmar and why is the opposite preferable?


Because rayn/Artanis both felt strongly about Palmar. I think Palmar is regarded well enough to have more influence on the game, and possibly talk his way out of this. TT isn't making it to the end of this game regardless, Palmar might find a way to talk his way out of it. I think Palmar is scum, and I don't want to give him a chance to slip by.

If possible I'd like to avoid voting Shenanigans at the end of the day today, and one way I could see that happening is somebody CCing onegu and then we end up lynching the wrong person again. I can't see a world in which somebody would CC onegu, and claim they got a green check on Palmar, it would look to obviously wrong. So if we lynch Palmar, shoot TT we get the most amount of scum, with the least amount of risk.


I am having trouble grasping this. It's been nearly half a day and almost every player has been to the thread and posted at least once; so the # of people who a CC to onegu could come from is extremely limited. Further if someone CC's onegu in the final hours, it is just awful play....like really bad; but beyond that it doesn't explain TT getting CC'd on top of the red check by damdred. On top of that TT not claiming GS under impending lynch yesterday makes no sense at all. He will claim under red check but not under imminent death? What? It would take one helluva last minute CC to cause shenanies.

Plus as of now I am shooting palmar which was what rayn and i had been saying all night before checks and cc's happened.


I didn't want to claim.

+ Show Spoiler [Stuff you wont believe till later] +

My dumbass decided to post "Lynch Onegu when I flip miller" Rather than just "...when I flip"

At least I'm glad I gave the gun to you kus I'm certain your town based off stuff today. I almost gave it to Damdred.

My EoD posts did have a lot of "You all are gunna be mad at me when I die" stuff.

My perspective right now is that Rayn/Art were onto something with Vivax/Palmar. At least one of them is scum imo and prob an important role.

Only reason it makes sense to have 2 people fake claims to get me lynched today.

Onegu is prob goon and doesn't have much time so is making the 1v1 trade for me.

Damdred Idk about. I'm fairly sure Onegu wouldn't fakeclaim on me outta the blue like this as town. There is some faint tinfoil ideas about Damdred faking a claim as town to get me lynched, it makes sense for him to be convinced I'm mafia here. Like it's a really stupid play for scum!Damdred to fake claim GS to get me lynched when there is already a red check on me.

I'd still put money on SL being scum this game as well, possibly still Ness and Kush. Ness I'm honestly thinking might have legit stormed off from the game though... though I think that's more likely to happen is he's scum here feeling caught rather than a town who just felt under pressure. Idk be interesting to gauge his return.


I need you to explain to me some things:

1) Why claim today when red checked but not yesterday when 7 minutes from lynch?
+ Show Spoiler +
I claim before lynch, I get RB'd and never get to pass out a shot. Also after Vivax had done his stuff I didn't think claiming would help my position much.

Today I still didn't want to claim, but there is no way Onegu has a red check on me, and I don't think he'd fake a red check as town. The rest was shoddy posting while at work and digging my own hole into feeling I had to claim.


2) Why is onegu mafia? (other than I am GS and he claimed red)
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Onegu is not the easiest guy to read, but when he is town he usually posts semi-nonsense and likes to aggrivate Koshi. My usual way of reading Onegu is how much he's trying to guide things, as town he's a non-factor and does his own shit.

Here I think there is a marked difference in his posting. He votes Koshi right off but instead goes off a lot about Rsoul and Coag. He makes a semi push on SL and This post will be interesting if/when he flips mafia because he seems to have a bit of an agenda going on.

I also don't believe for a moment that town!Onegu would fake a red check to get someone he has no read on to get them lynched. If he were super tunneled on me maybe, but he mentioned me till today


3) Elaborate on your damdred tinfoil theories; he claimed your role, why isn't he mafia?
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I'm not sure I can.

It's more me having a hard time believing scum!Damdred would put himself on the line like that, unless scum REALLY want me dead.


4) Why should I believe you when there's an uncc'd cop with a red check?

I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
December 30 2015 11:11 GMT
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Sorry Koshi

I'll fuck off now till EoD.
I can take that responsibility.
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