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On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question.
and i was right...
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On December 27 2015 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. [quote] Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7[quote] You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. [quote] ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- [quote] Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. [quote] [quote] this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. [quote] Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness? This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question. So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn? HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread.
That doesn't answer the question.
What has GB pushed him for after the initial questioning?
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On December 27 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:
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Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness? This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question. So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn? HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread. That doesn't answer the question. What has GB pushed him for after the initial questioning? Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads? Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious. If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. 1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 14:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I have slight SCUMREADS on you, Tictock (his jokes on hammerig me and stuff seems off, he doesn't seem invested in the game) and ritoky (which I'm not sure anymore) He keeps pushing him on the same thing without getting anything new, basically. Asking questions that lead nowhere which is basically what he's accusing N e s s of.
Except that GB made a read out of Ness' answers.
Ness didn't make anything out of anything.
Can you tell me what Ness' reads are?
Let's be honest. The reason for Ness to be town (if he is), is his response to the pressure -- same as why Exo is town (or was -- before he posted reads) if he is. There is absolutely no other reason to townread him, and anyone who claims otherwise is either bad or mafia. Ness has literally given zero reads on basically anything. He has just posted... a bunch of nothing.
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Okay so like... You think GB is scum because of his lack of direction in his questioning on Ness.
What do you make out of rsoultin basically saying the opposite -- and also scumreading GB for it?!?!?!
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On December 27 2015 10:20 rsoultin wrote:gb is far too directed and monotone to be the town gb i know and love this game 
Is GB scum for not being directed and being too directed -- both??
Or what? Why don't you have a problem with this then if you think you are right Artanis?
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On December 27 2015 11:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 11:14 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 11:11 Holyflare wrote:On December 27 2015 11:00 Koshi wrote:On December 27 2015 10:25 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote:To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed. Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day. 1) First riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat. goal: - A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say) ![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/6e42219a5876ee6211266625f19c3353.png) question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously) 2) second riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head. goal: - Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9. ![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/4391fda423ccd187b9dc4c02582a3a3b.png) question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously) 1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily.
In your picture it would be:
Back person: *Silence*
Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!"
2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand?
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
 first one is correct Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else. The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate. The situation would go as follows: As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White". Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat. Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black". ^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username. But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.) I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm. Much more important than who is town Who is Mafia?
perfectly valid question given Ness' posts at the point.
On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads? Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious. If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. 1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Extremely valid question.
On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads? Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious. If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. 1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
Follow up on both of the questions regarding Ness' answers.
There is just... Fucking nothing wrong with what GB says.
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On December 27 2015 23:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:This is basically my issue. ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/madsk/c1b686b061.png)
If we are completely honest and ignore the "getting frustrated over being scumread" part you should probably change the color in HF <-> GB.
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WHY DOES ONE'S READ HAVE TO CHANGE IF THE OTHER PERSON JUST POSTS SHIT??!?!?
Like do you have to FORCE out a townread just because someone says something? Even if it's not townie. You are not even going to WHAT GB and Ness ACTUALLY say, you just say "well Ness answered and GB still thinks he is scum -- so GB is scum".
It's really fucking bad way to look at people. You really are not bad enough to see beyond the surface level?
Are you scum because your read on Vivax is static?
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Here is what GlowingBear did:
Scumreads Ness for asking useless questions.
HF agrees with GB (but somehow still scumreads him?!?!?).
Makes a "better" post on Ness.
GB waits for Ness to answer HF's post (gets scumread for it too obvs...)
Focuses on other things (gets scumread for it....).
Ness answers.
Ness' answer doesn't please GB (gets scumread for it too..)
GB asks a follow up question -- reads.
Ness gives basically nothing...
GB asks another legit question.
Ness answers basically nothing.
GB still scumreads him (gets scumread for that one too.-...)
Something is really fucking wrong here.
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On December 27 2015 23:24 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The way he so clearly doesn't give a shit about how the thread perceives him gives me town vibes though. Does it? I don't seem to get a "I don't care what you think about me" vibe from him. I seem to get a wishywashy vibe that hasn't called anybody scum, has said a lot of "maybe" without explaining anything, and then disappeared. Looks scummy. I don't get an "I don't care" vibe at all here.
What TT doesn't clearly care about it actually reading the thread.
Otherwise i totally agree with this post.
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sicklucker what is your read on Ness & GB?
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On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. [quote] Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7[quote] You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. [quote] ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- [quote] Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. [quote] [quote] this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. [quote] Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?
I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness.
This is one thing.
The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because".
Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!?
Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?
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On December 27 2015 23:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Focussing on the what instead of the how again. Already said I could very well be wrong. Gonna need more to decide to lynch him anyway.
Okay so it's a tone read then.
I 100% disagree. There is nothing to discuss on this matter then.
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On December 27 2015 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:
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Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site.
He is not newbie though.
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On December 27 2015 23:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:
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Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site. He is not newbie though. He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless.
So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"?
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On December 27 2015 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:
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It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site. He is not newbie though. He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless. So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"?
And you think this... especially, after the dude starts arguing about meta and to use it / not to use it in mafia games? Like, he clearly has an idea on how he percieves mafia should be played -- regardless of his affiliation -- which already means he is NOT afraid to say stuff, if he is mafia.
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On December 27 2015 23:42 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:
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Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? he scumread me because I made some troll post. Im ok with this I usual try to and secede to get people mad at me. If I have a problem with it, it would be because people forced him to make one. I can see a town and mafia getting pressed into going for lil old me here
The problem is he refuses to vote for GB (who he had actual reasons of being scum -- at least according to him) because of "bigger fish to fry", but his "bigger fish" are because "annoying" and "the dude who didn't post -- so i vote him for pressure".
Makes sense?
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On December 27 2015 23:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 23:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:
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You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
I find you being town hard to believe. Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ. *sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site. He is not newbie though. He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless. So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"? And you think this... especially, after the dude starts arguing about meta and to use it / not to use it in mafia games? Like, he clearly has an idea on how he percieves mafia should be played -- regardless of his affiliation -- which already means he is NOT afraid to say stuff, if he is mafia. What I'm saying is I A) Think he'd be more cautious as mafia and find out how other people play on this site and try to play into that. And B) Get discouraged from how much shit he gets for what he was posting and either go full martyr, stop posting altogether or just post more asinine stuff. Instead, he tried to talk to people and work with people. Also the question about if you can see people reading the thread as I think SL pointed out cements the read even more. Probably something he'd ask in a scumQT
Actually, he did exactly (A) at the start of the game. Then he did (B) just before he left.
Can you show me where he is actually trying to work with people? Defending yourself doesn't count, because regardless of affiliation everyone defends themselves.
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And let's not go into what people would or would not ask in scum QT.
It works 0% of the time 100% of the time...
Or if you wanna base reads on that i can just stop posting and only post votes from now on.
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Well i have nothing to discuss here until someone says something that actually has to do with something someone else posted... You can play "random lynch people" or "i think this guy wouldn't say this because scum QT" games but i am not participating.
later.
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