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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 07 2016 22:30 GMT
#4401
Vote Count - Day 4


Alakaslam (9): Onegu, Palmar, nooniansoong, Exo_, ObiWanShinobi, ObviousOne, NocturneMage, ritoky, Damdred
ExO_ (1): Alakaslam
ObviousOne (0): ObiWanShinobi

Not Voting (2): Coagulation, The Shining

At this time, Alakaslam is slated to be lynched.
Day 4 ends in on Thursday, Jan 07 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
Reminder that voting is mandatory
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 07 2016 22:30 GMT
#4402
On January 08 2016 07:28 nooniansoong wrote:
if i were you guys i would probably think I was scum. My PoE now looks like
oo
ows
onegu
alakaslam

who are all basically lynch bait. Must be wrong. I probably towned EXO too easily today. NM does have a sick scum game as evidenced from that last newbie but this looks different.


You forgot me
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 07 2016 22:31 GMT
#4403
I like how our confirmed town is risking mod kill
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 07 2016 22:33 GMT
#4404
On January 08 2016 07:19 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 07:12 NocturneMage wrote:
On January 08 2016 07:08 The Shining wrote:
I just reread some of full metal, namely when I interacted with ritoky and thought I caught him and later when NM caught him and we shenannyd. I forgot I was in that game.

Idk NM. On the one hand, there are parts where I can see how you drew the parallels between the two games re: scumtoky but this game...Meh. Idk how to explain it. He seems a lot more relaxed and still involved in things. Like when he was scum and we went at it that game, he was a lot more aggressive towards me because I scum read him.

And as I'm typing this, I'm remembering he went from aggression and "this is why you're scum shining" to "you're right, I never read you right, you could be town."

He called you scum in his initial defense and then, because you're tunneled, he said he could see it coming from town. Is this another similarity?


No but in Fullmetal, we didn't clash in that game. He made the opportunistic argument when I reacted to Trfel but we were able to get him lynched that game on shennanies (and not because we had a drawn out argument) and I think both of us shennanied on him in that game, so from that end you cannot compare the two. I pushed my case on ritoky in that game whilst he was afk by talking with people near end of cycle.


I meant he and I clashed in that game. And he retracted his scum read on me because he said he looked in past games and was wrong on me before.

In this game, you two are clashing and he called you scum for omgus that led to your case, and implying you're pushing a ML with walls of text on him because he has a broken wrist. But then he says you've tunneled him before in past games and he can see it coming from town.

The only difference I see is he dropped the scum read completely on me in full metal, but he only said you could be town but are much less likely to be than the others on his POE.


But there's a slight similarity here, you have a reaction where you react strongly when you are scumread (not just ritoky but by anyone I think), and him backing down (IIRC???) was because he wasn't or wouldn't be able to get you lynched or something because of how you fought back. Here he knows he cannot debunk the case so he has to back down/backtrack and find a way to just say meh he's tunnelled so that I might drop it.

Also the only game where I've played with ritoky was Fullmetal. I have never played with him in Dark Tournament, newbies, 13, 14 and he wasn't in the last one.

The walls of text argument is largely because there are a lot of points in my case (and a bit of evidence to support it), whether or not I break the posts down into smaller posts doesn't matter or make his or my arguments any more or less valid.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 07 2016 22:38 GMT
#4405
On January 08 2016 07:31 The Shining wrote:
I like how our confirmed town is risking mod kill


He does that.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 07 2016 22:39 GMT
#4406
On January 08 2016 07:28 nooniansoong wrote:
if i were you guys i would probably think I was scum. My PoE now looks like
oo
ows
onegu
alakaslam

who are all basically lynch bait. Must be wrong. I probably towned EXO too easily today. NM does have a sick scum game as evidenced from that last newbie but this looks different.


Still green checked lalala.
Retired.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 07 2016 22:39 GMT
#4407
My mafia lynch list right now is Alakaslam, ritoky and Palmar.

I have Shining Exo, Coag, as town

Kush, Damdred, probable town.

OWS I'm going to say right now is town.

Onegu is a complete tossup but the way he's pushing the whole late game spiel is a problem.

OO I just went through his filter and there are several posts I actually liked that demonstrated he's thinking about the game. There's a few meh posts, similar to OWS but nothing from what I am seeing is screaming mafia.

Are people scumreading him for what? Short filter? Votes? Do I need to look at something else a little closer? Or just PoE?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 07 2016 22:40 GMT
#4408
On January 08 2016 07:33 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 07:19 The Shining wrote:
On January 08 2016 07:12 NocturneMage wrote:
On January 08 2016 07:08 The Shining wrote:
I just reread some of full metal, namely when I interacted with ritoky and thought I caught him and later when NM caught him and we shenannyd. I forgot I was in that game.

Idk NM. On the one hand, there are parts where I can see how you drew the parallels between the two games re: scumtoky but this game...Meh. Idk how to explain it. He seems a lot more relaxed and still involved in things. Like when he was scum and we went at it that game, he was a lot more aggressive towards me because I scum read him.

And as I'm typing this, I'm remembering he went from aggression and "this is why you're scum shining" to "you're right, I never read you right, you could be town."

He called you scum in his initial defense and then, because you're tunneled, he said he could see it coming from town. Is this another similarity?


No but in Fullmetal, we didn't clash in that game. He made the opportunistic argument when I reacted to Trfel but we were able to get him lynched that game on shennanies (and not because we had a drawn out argument) and I think both of us shennanied on him in that game, so from that end you cannot compare the two. I pushed my case on ritoky in that game whilst he was afk by talking with people near end of cycle.


I meant he and I clashed in that game. And he retracted his scum read on me because he said he looked in past games and was wrong on me before.

In this game, you two are clashing and he called you scum for omgus that led to your case, and implying you're pushing a ML with walls of text on him because he has a broken wrist. But then he says you've tunneled him before in past games and he can see it coming from town.

The only difference I see is he dropped the scum read completely on me in full metal, but he only said you could be town but are much less likely to be than the others on his POE.


But there's a slight similarity here, you have a reaction where you react strongly when you are scumread (not just ritoky but by anyone I think), and him backing down (IIRC???) was because he wasn't or wouldn't be able to get you lynched or something because of how you fought back. Here he knows he cannot debunk the case so he has to back down/backtrack and find a way to just say meh he's tunnelled so that I might drop it.

Also the only game where I've played with ritoky was Fullmetal. I have never played with him in Dark Tournament, newbies, 13, 14 and he wasn't in the last one.

The walls of text argument is largely because there are a lot of points in my case (and a bit of evidence to support it), whether or not I break the posts down into smaller posts doesn't matter or make his or my arguments any more or less valid.


That's basically what I was saying -.- the similarity is there. But I always scum ritoky anyway and he always scums me. So I'm suffering from bias because of that.

Regardless it looks like Slam is the lock lynch at this point and not many people are here. You get at least all night phase to hash this out more. I do think the tunneling while still talking about Palmar and slam gives me a sense of you being town, though.

I wish you hadn't upped your scum game so town reading you would be easier lol
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 07 2016 22:42 GMT
#4409
On January 08 2016 07:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 07:28 nooniansoong wrote:
if i were you guys i would probably think I was scum. My PoE now looks like
oo
ows
onegu
alakaslam

who are all basically lynch bait. Must be wrong. I probably towned EXO too easily today. NM does have a sick scum game as evidenced from that last newbie but this looks different.


Still green checked lalala.


I really hope the gf flips in Slam or someone else tomorrow so I can believe you're 100% town. You keep using this as your main defense and it's starting to irk me =/
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 07 2016 22:49 GMT
#4410
Alright, Noon is saying OO is a lynch bait player then, so likely just PoE? He's not looking scummy at all per se to me looking through his posts, probably just a low volume poster.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 07 2016 22:50 GMT
#4411
It's pretty amazing that nm has me as prob town zzzzz should,have me as lock
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 07 2016 22:51 GMT
#4412
On January 08 2016 07:42 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 07:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On January 08 2016 07:28 nooniansoong wrote:
if i were you guys i would probably think I was scum. My PoE now looks like
oo
ows
onegu
alakaslam

who are all basically lynch bait. Must be wrong. I probably towned EXO too easily today. NM does have a sick scum game as evidenced from that last newbie but this looks different.


Still green checked lalala.


I really hope the gf flips in Slam or someone else tomorrow so I can believe you're 100% town. You keep using this as your main defense and it's starting to irk me =/


Yeah I'm actually godfather.
Oh well - you got me.
Retired.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 07 2016 22:54 GMT
#4413
On January 08 2016 07:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 07:42 The Shining wrote:
On January 08 2016 07:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On January 08 2016 07:28 nooniansoong wrote:
if i were you guys i would probably think I was scum. My PoE now looks like
oo
ows
onegu
alakaslam

who are all basically lynch bait. Must be wrong. I probably towned EXO too easily today. NM does have a sick scum game as evidenced from that last newbie but this looks different.


Still green checked lalala.


I really hope the gf flips in Slam or someone else tomorrow so I can believe you're 100% town. You keep using this as your main defense and it's starting to irk me =/


Yeah I'm actually godfather.
Oh well - you got me.


Lol all I'm saying is I'd like more from you than "I'm green checked." And once gf flips, I can put this to rest
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 07 2016 22:55 GMT
#4414
On January 08 2016 07:54 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 07:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On January 08 2016 07:42 The Shining wrote:
On January 08 2016 07:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On January 08 2016 07:28 nooniansoong wrote:
if i were you guys i would probably think I was scum. My PoE now looks like
oo
ows
onegu
alakaslam

who are all basically lynch bait. Must be wrong. I probably towned EXO too easily today. NM does have a sick scum game as evidenced from that last newbie but this looks different.


Still green checked lalala.


I really hope the gf flips in Slam or someone else tomorrow so I can believe you're 100% town. You keep using this as your main defense and it's starting to irk me =/


Yeah I'm actually godfather.
Oh well - you got me.


Lol all I'm saying is I'd like more from you than "I'm green checked." And once gf flips, I can put this to rest


I'll step up eventually, probably when I stop having fun or something.
Retired.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 07 2016 22:57 GMT
#4415
On January 08 2016 07:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Alright, Noon is saying OO is a lynch bait player then, so likely just PoE? He's not looking scummy at all per se to me looking through his posts, probably just a low volume poster.


For me it's POE, activity and him claiming I was much more engaged in the thread early on and I'm not anymore, which means I'm scum. Which is bad because most of my posts early on were catch up posts and just scumming Ness.

Then he asked palmar to validate a meta read on me from my most recent scum game and a random town game, even though I've rolled town in like 20/22 games. But when I asked him about it, he said it probably meant nothing, even though I think he scum read me
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 22:59 GMT
#4416
Why's Damdred clear again?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 07 2016 23:00 GMT
#4417
Night 4




Alakaslam the Mafia Godfather has been lynched!




until end of night. Please submit all night actions to all three hosts
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 07 2016 23:00 GMT
#4418
HA!
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 07 2016 23:01 GMT
#4419
Welp....
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 23:03 GMT
#4420
Vote on maf gf since d1
No towncred given.
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