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On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
However Rayn/Artanis/Vivax/Koshi all thought you were scum Palmar, and all are dead townies. And at the start of day 2, I said scum Palmar would come and talk his way out of a lynch. And I think that is certainly a possibility.
No, this is why you're mafia. You give no opportunity and use predetermined conclusions. You have decided I am mafia and thus if I talk myself out of a lynch I am mafia talking myself out of lynch.
You don't even stop to think "what would town Palmar do". Because if you're just looking at the action (ie: talking myself out of a lynch), and doing it makes me mafia, then I suppose you'd have expected me as town to just get lynched because why?
There is literally no course of action that would make you stop thinking I'm mafia, which means you've decided what I am a long time ago and will just say whatever you think supports that conclusion.
On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
The fact that GB was scum is points in your favor, but if Slam flips scum too then It stops even being a question in my mind that you're scum. I was wrong about GB so I at least owe you a relook.
I have literally no control over slam's alignment. Hell, if he flips mafia I'm more likely to be town because I fucking brought up the point gb didn't vote on his counterwagon despite being in the thread at least close to the deadline.
You don't get to call me scum by association.
You're mafia. Now die.
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On January 05 2016 23:10 Palmar wrote:
You're insane, people who look like mafia are always worth the check. yes, if the cop hits scum there's 25% chance that scum is godfather and we get a green check, but literally everyone knows to take a green check with a grain of salt until the godfather is flipped.
A red check, on the other hand is 75% (2/3 millers are dead) chance of hitting mafia.
I don't think I want slam lynched tomorrow, although there are some arguments to be made for it. The most important one is that GB didn't vote on his counterwagon.
No. I will repeat what I said to Damdred yesterday. GB swapped votes to OWS right at same time (check voting thread) as shennanies to Alakaslam was occurring. GB's vote was effectively WIFOM. It should not be used as an argument against OWS, nor should it be used to vindicate anyone else.
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On January 06 2016 00:28 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 23:10 Palmar wrote:
You're insane, people who look like mafia are always worth the check. yes, if the cop hits scum there's 25% chance that scum is godfather and we get a green check, but literally everyone knows to take a green check with a grain of salt until the godfather is flipped.
A red check, on the other hand is 75% (2/3 millers are dead) chance of hitting mafia.
I don't think I want slam lynched tomorrow, although there are some arguments to be made for it. The most important one is that GB didn't vote on his counterwagon. No. I will repeat what I said to Damdred yesterday. GB swapped votes to OWS right at same time (check voting thread) as shennanies to Alakaslam was occurring. GB's vote was effectively WIFOM. It should not be used as an argument against OWS, nor should it be used to vindicate anyone else.
No but GB as mafia had at least a chance to save himself by just voting slam.
Sure it might be wifom, but there might be a reason he didn't vote slam.
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Good morning guys just a few things.
1) Lets be honest here and Palmar should agree with me. The flip doesn't make him town or scum, I have tinfoil going around in my mind. What you should do is look at the lynch and what happened before hand and see if what palmar did was town motivated. Was he coming from a town mindset.
Overall id say yes, but I won't lie that palm would lynch GB as scum anyway.
2) NM last few postings have looked increasingly towny.
3) I'm a cool sexy dude.
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And yeah, exo did this yesterday too I think.
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On January 06 2016 00:34 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys just a few things.
1) Lets be honest here and Palmar should agree with me. The flip doesn't make him town or scum, I have tinfoil going around in my mind. What you should do is look at the lynch and what happened before hand and see if what palmar did was town motivated. Was he coming from a town mindset.
Overall id say yes, but I won't lie that palm would lynch GB as scum anyway.
2) NM last few postings have looked increasingly towny.
3) I'm a cool sexy dude.
1) is my point exactly, I'm not really any more town just because of the flip.
I am more town because I provided thorough analysis on a lot of players yesterday which resulted in a good case on someone who turned out to be mafia.
People keep thinking about WHAT happened when they should be thinking about HOW it happened.
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On January 05 2016 07:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 07:49 ExO_ wrote:On January 05 2016 07:47 Palmar wrote:On January 05 2016 07:46 ExO_ wrote:On January 05 2016 07:44 nooniansoong wrote:
fuck meetings so hard.
now i have to drive home.
See how easy it was to get a majority on GB? That's because he's town.
Ask yourself, who is the scumteam? Most of them are on GB.
Switch to alakaslam. This is the last plea I will make. we dont have time/people to switch to slam. either switch to Palmar or we're gonna be stuck with GB We're not fucking switching to me. We're switching to slam if anything. Maybe NM or OO What the hell is your problem man. I think you're scum. Do you think this is personal or something? Unlike HF I haven't tried to insult you or anything. But based on your play, and all of the talkative townies this far thinking your scum I think you are indeed scum. I thought if you got a lot of pressure on you, you'd come out talk a lot and convince people not to lynch you. Which is what it seems like to me has happened. Well what the hell could I have done to convince you I'm not mafia? People pressure me, I start doing useful shit to prove I'm not mafia, but because I'm proving I'm not mafia I must be mafia? You've long since reached a conclusion, and it's starting to look like you don't even have any interest in changing it. If I somehow get shenanigan'd on here, Exo actually might be mafia guys.
Here
Exo again with the
"I expect mafia palmar to do townie things, so if palmar does townie things he is mafia" which is of course completely insane.
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On January 06 2016 00:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
However Rayn/Artanis/Vivax/Koshi all thought you were scum Palmar, and all are dead townies. And at the start of day 2, I said scum Palmar would come and talk his way out of a lynch. And I think that is certainly a possibility. No, this is why you're mafia. You give no opportunity and use predetermined conclusions. You have decided I am mafia and thus if I talk myself out of a lynch I am mafia talking myself out of lynch. You don't even stop to think "what would town Palmar do". Because if you're just looking at the action (ie: talking myself out of a lynch), and doing it makes me mafia, then I suppose you'd have expected me as town to just get lynched because why? There is literally no course of action that would make you stop thinking I'm mafia, which means you've decided what I am a long time ago and will just say whatever you think supports that conclusion. Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
The fact that GB was scum is points in your favor, but if Slam flips scum too then It stops even being a question in my mind that you're scum. I was wrong about GB so I at least owe you a relook. I have literally no control over slam's alignment. Hell, if he flips mafia I'm more likely to be town because I fucking brought up the point gb didn't vote on his counterwagon despite being in the thread at least close to the deadline. You don't get to call me scum by association. You're mafia. Now die.
What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you.
The fuck is the irrational pushing of me. I'm in the middle of reading your filter. As I said I owe you a relook. But are you kidding me with this? No matter what I say you're trying to skew it in some way.
God I really hope you are scum. Aren't you supposed to be a vet of TL mafia? Being this stubborn and quite frankly stupid is going to lose town the game.
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Explain right now what could have convinced you I am town Exo.
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On January 06 2016 00:10 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 23:44 Palmar wrote:
Like I know this is massive wifom, but at least think about exo if I die GB twice called SL and myself town. He also called rayn town (who was town). Scum love to call town as town. I think you want to lynch me because I thought you were scum who talked his was out a lynch. I'm still not 100% sure that isn't the case here. But if you want to omgus lynch me you'll only have 1 more mislynch in the entire game you can make. Unless of course you're scum then killing me is obviously in your favor.
So here you are arguming that scum never call other scum town?
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On January 06 2016 00:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:28 NocturneMage wrote:On January 05 2016 23:10 Palmar wrote:
You're insane, people who look like mafia are always worth the check. yes, if the cop hits scum there's 25% chance that scum is godfather and we get a green check, but literally everyone knows to take a green check with a grain of salt until the godfather is flipped.
A red check, on the other hand is 75% (2/3 millers are dead) chance of hitting mafia.
I don't think I want slam lynched tomorrow, although there are some arguments to be made for it. The most important one is that GB didn't vote on his counterwagon. No. I will repeat what I said to Damdred yesterday. GB swapped votes to OWS right at same time (check voting thread) as shennanies to Alakaslam was occurring. GB's vote was effectively WIFOM. It should not be used as an argument against OWS, nor should it be used to vindicate anyone else. No but GB as mafia had at least a chance to save himself by just voting slam. Sure it might be wifom, but there might be a reason he didn't vote slam.
That is horrible scumtastic reasoning to suggest that Slam should not be voted.
If Slam was town, mafia GB would have voted him 100%. (Mind you that is NAI, but saying.)
Mafia play to survive or in this case, preserve their team.
The mafia motivation for GB to save Slam is that Slam serves a more important role on the scumteam, end of.
(Obviously as he's flipped we know there is no town motivation, but even if GB was town, he would have still saved himself because he's most sure of his own alignment.)
If anything, what you say, is actually further of an argument that Alakaslam should be lynched, and not the other way around.
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Yesterday? Nothing at all. I was convinced 100% you were scum and it wasn't worth my time. Again, 4 dead townies thought you were scum, and I trust their ability to read you more than my own.
Now? I'm not sure. I'm trying to objectively read your filter (which is hard btw considering you are still in the thread trying to skew what I'm saying then bash me for it) and see what I might've missed. The possibility you are scum and have talked your way out is still in my mind. I need to see when exactly you started posting. Was it a reaction to pressure? Do the reads you posted that I largely ignored at the time (because I was sure you were scum) have useful information, or is it all stuff to kinda skirt by.
So I can't say what will convince me you are town. We'll see after I read the filter
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On January 06 2016 00:38 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:27 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
However Rayn/Artanis/Vivax/Koshi all thought you were scum Palmar, and all are dead townies. And at the start of day 2, I said scum Palmar would come and talk his way out of a lynch. And I think that is certainly a possibility. No, this is why you're mafia. You give no opportunity and use predetermined conclusions. You have decided I am mafia and thus if I talk myself out of a lynch I am mafia talking myself out of lynch. You don't even stop to think "what would town Palmar do". Because if you're just looking at the action (ie: talking myself out of a lynch), and doing it makes me mafia, then I suppose you'd have expected me as town to just get lynched because why? There is literally no course of action that would make you stop thinking I'm mafia, which means you've decided what I am a long time ago and will just say whatever you think supports that conclusion. On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
The fact that GB was scum is points in your favor, but if Slam flips scum too then It stops even being a question in my mind that you're scum. I was wrong about GB so I at least owe you a relook. I have literally no control over slam's alignment. Hell, if he flips mafia I'm more likely to be town because I fucking brought up the point gb didn't vote on his counterwagon despite being in the thread at least close to the deadline. You don't get to call me scum by association. You're mafia. Now die. What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you. The fuck is the irrational pushing of me. I'm in the middle of reading your filter. As I said I owe you a relook. But are you kidding me with this? No matter what I say you're trying to skew it in some way. God I really hope you are scum. Aren't you supposed to be a vet of TL mafia? Being this stubborn and quite frankly stupid is going to lose town the game.
I am not being stubborn.
And it's not me who is skewing your words as much as the opposite.
"What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you."
I am talking about how and why, not what. I didn't call you scum for thinking I'm townie. I called you scum for thinking I'm townie while not in any way removing previous suspicion. IE you took WHAT happened without even thinking about HOW it happened.
On January 05 2016 07:58 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 07:57 Palmar wrote:On January 05 2016 07:56 ExO_ wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 sicklucker wrote:
Hum so we lynch exo tormorow Why would you lynch me? I'm somehow scum now? Either way I'll argue with you in a sec. Right now we need to focus on this vote you're not trying to re-evaluate your reads, you're just happy with a massive status quo of a lynch list that you want to go down. You could very well be scum, especially based on your complete reluctance to admit any of my effort today. I bet you barely even read it. I'll freely admit I didn't read the walls of text you posted. I skimmed them but I definitely didn't read them super closely. And I don't think anything you say is going to cause me to reevaluate you. Unless somebody like Damdred or Ritoky can explain to me why you are super townie I'm going to continue thinking you are scum.
You even admit that you have no idea how it happened.
You literally don't care about the process of things that ended up with me getting GB lynched. You don't care if my logic was sound you don't care if it was just a shitty bus or an actual analysis.
And now I'm calling you mafia not for being stubborn, but because you're being stubborn in a way that doesn't make any logical sense for a townie. The only trigger to re-evaluating my alignment is that some random dude I happened to want to kill turned out to be mafia. Even then you have no idea if I just bussed him as scum or if I actually got him lynched legit.
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On January 06 2016 00:41 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:10 ExO_ wrote:On January 05 2016 23:44 Palmar wrote:
Like I know this is massive wifom, but at least think about exo if I die GB twice called SL and myself town. He also called rayn town (who was town). Scum love to call town as town. I think you want to lynch me because I thought you were scum who talked his was out a lynch. I'm still not 100% sure that isn't the case here. But if you want to omgus lynch me you'll only have 1 more mislynch in the entire game you can make. Unless of course you're scum then killing me is obviously in your favor. So here you are arguming that scum never call other scum town?
On day 1 of the game, and then multiple times? I'd say its unlikely.
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On January 06 2016 00:42 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:31 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2016 00:28 NocturneMage wrote:On January 05 2016 23:10 Palmar wrote:
You're insane, people who look like mafia are always worth the check. yes, if the cop hits scum there's 25% chance that scum is godfather and we get a green check, but literally everyone knows to take a green check with a grain of salt until the godfather is flipped.
A red check, on the other hand is 75% (2/3 millers are dead) chance of hitting mafia.
I don't think I want slam lynched tomorrow, although there are some arguments to be made for it. The most important one is that GB didn't vote on his counterwagon. No. I will repeat what I said to Damdred yesterday. GB swapped votes to OWS right at same time (check voting thread) as shennanies to Alakaslam was occurring. GB's vote was effectively WIFOM. It should not be used as an argument against OWS, nor should it be used to vindicate anyone else. No but GB as mafia had at least a chance to save himself by just voting slam. Sure it might be wifom, but there might be a reason he didn't vote slam. That is horrible scumtastic reasoning to suggest that Slam should not be voted. If Slam was town, mafia GB would have voted him 100%. (Mind you that is NAI, but saying.) Mafia play to survive or in this case, preserve their team. The mafia motivation for GB to save Slam is that Slam serves a more important role on the scumteam, end of. (Obviously as he's flipped we know there is no town motivation, but even if GB was town, he would have still saved himself because he's most sure of his own alignment.) If anything, what you say, is actually further of an argument that Alakaslam should be lynched, and not the other way around.
That is precisely what I was saying?
GB not voting on the counterwagon is a bit wifom-y, but also a pretty good argument that Alakaslam should be lynched.
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On January 06 2016 00:43 ExO_ wrote:
Yesterday? Nothing at all. I was convinced 100% you were scum and it wasn't worth my time. Again, 4 dead townies thought you were scum, and I trust their ability to read you more than my own.
This makes you a complete dumbass and a terrible player, but I suppose the brutal honesty makes you less likely to be mafia (this is a pretty confrontational stance for mafia to take).
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I guess NM is just a bit illiterate, I'll make sure not to use big words or complicated sentences around him.
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On January 06 2016 00:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:38 ExO_ wrote:On January 06 2016 00:27 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
However Rayn/Artanis/Vivax/Koshi all thought you were scum Palmar, and all are dead townies. And at the start of day 2, I said scum Palmar would come and talk his way out of a lynch. And I think that is certainly a possibility. No, this is why you're mafia. You give no opportunity and use predetermined conclusions. You have decided I am mafia and thus if I talk myself out of a lynch I am mafia talking myself out of lynch. You don't even stop to think "what would town Palmar do". Because if you're just looking at the action (ie: talking myself out of a lynch), and doing it makes me mafia, then I suppose you'd have expected me as town to just get lynched because why? There is literally no course of action that would make you stop thinking I'm mafia, which means you've decided what I am a long time ago and will just say whatever you think supports that conclusion. On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
The fact that GB was scum is points in your favor, but if Slam flips scum too then It stops even being a question in my mind that you're scum. I was wrong about GB so I at least owe you a relook. I have literally no control over slam's alignment. Hell, if he flips mafia I'm more likely to be town because I fucking brought up the point gb didn't vote on his counterwagon despite being in the thread at least close to the deadline. You don't get to call me scum by association. You're mafia. Now die. What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you. The fuck is the irrational pushing of me. I'm in the middle of reading your filter. As I said I owe you a relook. But are you kidding me with this? No matter what I say you're trying to skew it in some way. God I really hope you are scum. Aren't you supposed to be a vet of TL mafia? Being this stubborn and quite frankly stupid is going to lose town the game. I am not being stubborn. And it's not me who is skewing your words as much as the opposite. "What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you." I am talking about how and why, not what. I didn't call you scum for thinking I'm townie. I called you scum for thinking I'm townie while not in any way removing previous suspicion. IE you took WHAT happened without even thinking about HOW it happened.
Again that isn't the case though. Somehow saying I need to reevaluate you = I think you're townie without suspicion in your mind. It's completely misrepresenting what I said.
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I don't know.
I am really running out of fucking steam dealing with people wanting to lynch me this game.
I'm mad so I'm going away from the thread for a while before I start calling people names
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Onegu confirmed town now. Will tell you who is scum at lylo and this time you fucks better listen to me.
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