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On December 27 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote:
Man tt post was bad.
Rayn totes town so now I can sound board off him without butting heads.
I think koshi and exo are town also.
So town: exo, ness, truffle, art, koshi, RS, rayn, ritoky,
still town lean: tt
what do you think of that list besides tt for you rayn?
I disagree with the Artanis read.
I somewhat disagree with ritoky. He looks town but in the last game he was fucking supertown so he should play up to that if he is town. 
Idk why you think Koshi is town? I really don't have a read on him.
I'd add Slam and maybe rsoultin and HF.
was there someone else? prolly not since i don't remember.
i kinda speedread the thread... I thought this would start tomorrow. 
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On December 27 2015 12:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Rayn what do you think of Ritoky and Ness?
I think i just answered that.
If you want something more specific go ahead and lay it out.
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On December 27 2015 12:35 rsoultin wrote:
As for tt, idk. The scumreads seem rather lazy. smurf thing is an ick reason but his ness scumread is focusing on scummy things i guess even if i disagree that scum posts so blatantly scummy. he could believe it maybe?
The kush thing is basically at best him not reading the thread properly -- it was pointed out by HF already that kush outed his smurf in another thread, there is absolutely nothing scummy in it.
Ness' play looks more like he (she?) just doesn't know who is scum and isn't overplaying anything. I don't know where the "he doesn't follow up on his questions" comes from because basically noone ever answered him in the first place....... It just doesn't make any sense to scumread Ness here, it would make sense to not townread him -- but scumread is definitely not a legit read, at least for those reasons imo.
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On December 27 2015 12:39 GlowingBear wrote:@Rayn Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 08:58 ritoky wrote:
town: artanis, ness
pocketing me: slam, rsoul
mafia lean: gb, trfel This post of him felt really scummy to me. I kinda liked his answer but I asked more questions and I don't remember him answering it yet. What do you think of it?
I don't think the "pocketing me" category can be considered non-joke, at least i consider it as a semi-joke at least.
I can see why he thinks you are / were mafia when he made the post. I can also understand the town reads.
The only thing i don't really get is the Trfel read, which gives me a pause on ritoky. I heavily disagree with that read.
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Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.
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On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta.
It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.
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On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion. Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart. What if he's changed his play style? But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.
Well here is where we disagree..
And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.
But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.
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On December 27 2015 13:06 N e s s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion. Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart. What if he's changed his play style? But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on. Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means. But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do. Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town. Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?
TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething).
Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think.
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On December 27 2015 13:11 ritoky wrote:
rayn agrees with all but 1 of my reads and then calls me scum anyway, probably town rayn.
Yeah i don't think there is anything "contradicting" in that if that's what you want to say?
And i am not calling you scum am i?
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On December 27 2015 13:22 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 13:06 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion. Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart. What if he's changed his play style? But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on. Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means. But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do. Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town. Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point? TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething). Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think. Sure you have basically the same read as me on Kush but I'm scum for it Seems legit
Except that i don't, which is just explained.
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On December 27 2015 13:25 ritoky wrote:
hey rayn, you should click on boxerfred's filter. it'll amuse you i am sure.
I actually did already. He can get lynched if that's the way he is gonna continue playing.
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On December 27 2015 13:19 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 13:11 ritoky wrote:
rayn agrees with all but 1 of my reads and then calls me scum anyway, probably town rayn. Yeah i don't think there is anything "contradicting" in that if that's what you want to say? And i am not calling you scum am i? oh you're not? i thought the whole "you should have opposite read" and "one game he was super town, but..." indicated scum lean. guess was assuming wrong.
To be honest i would prolly consider you scum if it wasn't for the read on BH in that one game....
I actually do think Trfel jumping to conclusions without proofreading what he says beforehand is is quite big of a towntell for him. It's like... he thinks something is true (which can be clearly seen from his posts), then figures out he is wrong (or something happens) and he backs off. I think it shows he is thinking about the game, and i have no idea why you think that is scummy. Also his posts were not bad at all on any level, as as i said it shows he is actually re-evaluating his reads.
Him having much/few reads at the point of the game is not alignment indicative i think.
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On December 27 2015 13:34 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 13:23 ritoky wrote:On December 27 2015 13:22 Tictock wrote:On December 27 2015 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 13:06 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta. its bad to go off of meta. It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion. Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart. What if he's changed his play style? But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on. Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means. But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do. Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town. Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point? TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething). Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think. Sure you have basically the same read as me on Kush but I'm scum for it Seems legit and your read on kush is: he's a smurf which he literally explained pre-game when he said "this is a smurf, cuz i can't view kush account at work"
...like wat? Ah, I didn't see that
So you just selectively decided to read some of my posts and not all of them?
Why?
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Okay frands i am gonna go to bed.
cya tomorrow.
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On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Have a random read list cause they're fun.
100% Town forever
Artanis[Xp]
N e s s
Town
Damdred
Trfel
Rsoultin
Alakaslam
Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit
Raynpelikoneet
Onegu
Weak Town
HF
Ritoky
ExO_
Koshi
TickTock
Null
Anyone not in other categories
Weak Mafia
Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad.
GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me.
Leaning Mafia
Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax.
So you're scum?
This post doesn't make much sense....
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Because it looks like you are both reading the thread and not.
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On December 27 2015 22:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because it looks like you are both reading the thread and not. That's probably kinda true in the sense that there were like 17 pages to read when I woke up and I kinda read them but did it pretty fast so it's likely not everything actually registered.
So like... the first thing you usually do in any game is to form a read on me. Here you "form" a read on me due to... association?!?!? You completely ignore my scumread however...
Then you have this weird read progression on Exo, where you first call him scum but then, idk why, you suddenly don't call him scum anymore but null and in the next post he is even a town lean.
Then i have absolutely no idea why you (or anyone -- but anyone is not as good as you are) would ever think Koshi is town because he hasn't actually done jack shit in this game. There is no Koshi-passion to solve the game, which is actually really characteristic to his townplay regardless of how much he yells he won't play before the game...
And to the first part, you claim TT's posting is bad but hey let's ignore the case on him completely and just call him town instead... And HF is town but GB is scum... Did you forget HF did the exact same thing GB did regarding Ness?? Just because HF posts more words about it and is generally capable of producing better looking posts does not mean the motivation is/was the same.. But GB is scum for what he did? And HF is town, for calling Vivax scum? Or what, because that would be everything else HF basically did. Do you realize even if Vivax is mafia here it's not out of question at all HF is also mafia? I think you at least should, and if you srsly consider GB as scum for why you do, your townread on HF makes absolutely zero sense at all.
I really really do not understand any of that.
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On December 27 2015 18:47 sicklucker wrote:
also I theres no way you can town read coag he has no posts. im going to assume this is a masson claim because thats the only thing that makes any sense.
Rstoulin and coags are masons apparently take notes mafia
Yeah this is pretty fucking weird tbh.
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On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:Alrighty! So, heres my defense. First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum. Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time. but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all. ...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this- Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads? Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose. Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious. If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. this. this rubs me the wrong way. 1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical. 1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? Smh answered those first 2 already. but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest. But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all. Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to? It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Food for thought~ Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is? I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum. Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum? It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. mmmm on the contrary that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game. please answer my question now. You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness?
This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question.
So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn?
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On December 27 2015 22:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't believe the kush smurf is actually kush, i would never expect kush to enter the game "hey folks im gonna work on my read accuracy", as if kush ever cared about such a thing. Kush is like the joker he just does stuff
It's definitely kush because he in obviously inactive as fuck and lectures people about "how to play" and whose fault it is when someone gets lynched in a really annoying way -- which usually makes him also mafia.
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