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On December 28 2015 12:19 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 12:11 nooniansoong wrote:
Why does tt look bad? Ask the people who are scumreading him.
I believe, ows, you said tts posts are empty..something like that. Your posts are pretty empty too. Your content is similar to tt in its length and depth. So you can understand why artanis is voting ows and you think it is similar, you find them both empty posters and you're just content to let them do fuck all for what reason? Since apparently you don't scum read either of them
Why does null reading someone equate to being content to let them do fuck all?
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On December 28 2015 12:29 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 12:23 nooniansoong wrote:On December 28 2015 12:19 ritoky wrote:On December 28 2015 12:11 nooniansoong wrote:
Why does tt look bad? Ask the people who are scumreading him.
I believe, ows, you said tts posts are empty..something like that. Your posts are pretty empty too. Your content is similar to tt in its length and depth. So you can understand why artanis is voting ows and you think it is similar, you find them both empty posters and you're just content to let them do fuck all for what reason? Since apparently you don't scum read either of them Why does null reading someone equate to being content to let them do fuck all? prior to your post while I was typing mine you hadn't engaged either when both are here to get a read plus you're not pushing for anything. From what I remember you're default sitting on palmar and content to let people fuck off.
I don't have a scumread to push.
I engage people when it is convenient.
My vote for palmar is a vote for a policy lynch. It can be interchanged with about a dozen other players. I think he is a good policy lynch but it's not super important to me.
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Apologizes for not consolidating this post but goodnight all. I will try to get to any questions at lunch tomorrow in approximately 13 hours.
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On December 28 2015 14:06 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 12:39 nooniansoong wrote:On December 28 2015 12:29 ritoky wrote:On December 28 2015 12:23 nooniansoong wrote:On December 28 2015 12:19 ritoky wrote:On December 28 2015 12:11 nooniansoong wrote:
Why does tt look bad? Ask the people who are scumreading him.
I believe, ows, you said tts posts are empty..something like that. Your posts are pretty empty too. Your content is similar to tt in its length and depth. So you can understand why artanis is voting ows and you think it is similar, you find them both empty posters and you're just content to let them do fuck all for what reason? Since apparently you don't scum read either of them Why does null reading someone equate to being content to let them do fuck all? prior to your post while I was typing mine you hadn't engaged either when both are here to get a read plus you're not pushing for anything. From what I remember you're default sitting on palmar and content to let people fuck off. I don't have a scumread to push. I engage people when it is convenient. My vote for palmar is a vote for a policy lynch. It can be interchanged with about a dozen other players. I think he is a good policy lynch but it's not super important to me. but you based your palmer vote on the logic that he is a meta game one player. But I came back and explained to you that palmer is also not a weekend player via meta. it is also christmas. Did this not convince you that your reason for voting him is bogus? + Show Spoiler +
None of this takes away from my logic of why he is a good poliIcy lynch.
1 d1 player
2 not here day one
Regardless of the reason behind number 2 he's still a good policy lynch.
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@ trfel
Focusing on read accuracy meaning I don't want to Make an incorrect read.
D1 reads are most likely wrong. I'm not making a read until I am confident in its accuracy.
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On December 28 2015 21:10 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 21:08 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 21:05 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 20:57 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 20:25 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 20:19 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 20:15 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 20:14 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 19:56 Tictock wrote:
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I assume you mean Rit's case, which I am ignoring
Also Palmar seems pretty likely town imo, post he just made is some solid thinking What post did he make that was solid thinking? Seriously Palmar has hardly posted anything at all so far, I'd like to know what you thought was so solid about Palmar so far that you think hes town I'm going to guess he's talking about the post where I provided some solid thinking. We talking about the flying cows post? Or perhaps the one about the spiders dancing for the Queen of England, before eating her alive! Oh wait, just like the post with your solid thinking, none of those exist. Just because I'm a nice guy (really...) On December 28 2015 18:50 Palmar wrote:
Exo is probably town. Also, I've read about 10 posts in the thread now and checked a few filter lengths. I'm glad rayn is playing and HF has a shorter than expected filter. But I haven't really read anything from either of them yet.
The reason I'm giving exo a maybe townread is his tinfoil hat theory regarding the mason claims. Most players who construct convoluted conspiracy theories, end up being townies. (If Exo is mafia, he would already know whether or not one or more of the mason claimers are mafia, so creating a theory becomes both more difficult, and it would make him worry about appearing to have extra information). The idea here is that I called you town and gave a reason for it. For the sake of this exercise let's consider you town, because otherwise this is a pointless effort. So as a townie, you have just been called town by someone, your job is now to figure out: a) Did Palmar want to call me town and made up some excuse to do it b) Did Palmar see something he found interesting, and made a conclusion based on the evidence These are really the only two options, you either believe the reason I gave for giving you a "maybe townread", or you don't. Ticktock probably reached the conclusion that my train of thought is genuine, that I actually believe you wouldn't come up with the theory you came up with as mafia, and thus my post was sincere. Now, interestingly, it's my job to try to figure out if Ticktock genuinely liked my post, or if he just saw me post something with some reasoning and decided to call me town for it because he wanted to do that anyway. I think it's a really easy read. What's interesting to me is you mention what went down with rsoultin/coag and the masons. So clearly you've read the thread. However you've only townread me so far, which is a pretty easy call to make at this point. Which makes me think you're trying to get town points for town reading me, when in reality it was a very easy thing to do. Town reading me can't be the only thing you have to offer. There's nothing particularly insightful about going along with what the rest of the thread has said before you. Any other thoughts, any scum reads? So far I think you look far more scummy trying to win a bit of town cred, than a late-to-the-party townie trying to solve the game. I haven't read the thread. I've skimmed like 2 filters and read these last 2-3 pages. To be honest I don't believe you. If you were skimming around the part where I went off on rsoultin/coag you should know that I've been town read by most everyone. That being the case, it'd be easy to call me town, and what I said about trying to get town cred for making a townie read that everyone else has already made holds true. I had no idea anyone else called you town. If you want a full disclosure on how I obtained the read on you it was like this: I respect rayn as a player so I clicked his filter and went right to his last page. on the top of page 8 of rayn's filter there is a conversation that involves all the required knowledge for me to draw the conclusions I have drawn (both about coag/rsoultin being the masons, and the evidence I used to draw the conclusion you might be town). You'll get no town cred from me, scum
Why scum rather than null?
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On December 28 2015 21:21 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 21:15 nooniansoong wrote:On December 28 2015 21:10 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 21:08 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 21:05 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 20:57 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 20:25 Palmar wrote:On December 28 2015 20:19 ExO_ wrote:On December 28 2015 20:15 Palmar wrote:
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I'm going to guess he's talking about the post where I provided some solid thinking. We talking about the flying cows post? Or perhaps the one about the spiders dancing for the Queen of England, before eating her alive! Oh wait, just like the post with your solid thinking, none of those exist. Just because I'm a nice guy (really...) On December 28 2015 18:50 Palmar wrote:
Exo is probably town. Also, I've read about 10 posts in the thread now and checked a few filter lengths. I'm glad rayn is playing and HF has a shorter than expected filter. But I haven't really read anything from either of them yet.
The reason I'm giving exo a maybe townread is his tinfoil hat theory regarding the mason claims. Most players who construct convoluted conspiracy theories, end up being townies. (If Exo is mafia, he would already know whether or not one or more of the mason claimers are mafia, so creating a theory becomes both more difficult, and it would make him worry about appearing to have extra information). The idea here is that I called you town and gave a reason for it. For the sake of this exercise let's consider you town, because otherwise this is a pointless effort. So as a townie, you have just been called town by someone, your job is now to figure out: a) Did Palmar want to call me town and made up some excuse to do it b) Did Palmar see something he found interesting, and made a conclusion based on the evidence These are really the only two options, you either believe the reason I gave for giving you a "maybe townread", or you don't. Ticktock probably reached the conclusion that my train of thought is genuine, that I actually believe you wouldn't come up with the theory you came up with as mafia, and thus my post was sincere. Now, interestingly, it's my job to try to figure out if Ticktock genuinely liked my post, or if he just saw me post something with some reasoning and decided to call me town for it because he wanted to do that anyway. I think it's a really easy read. What's interesting to me is you mention what went down with rsoultin/coag and the masons. So clearly you've read the thread. However you've only townread me so far, which is a pretty easy call to make at this point. Which makes me think you're trying to get town points for town reading me, when in reality it was a very easy thing to do. Town reading me can't be the only thing you have to offer. There's nothing particularly insightful about going along with what the rest of the thread has said before you. Any other thoughts, any scum reads? So far I think you look far more scummy trying to win a bit of town cred, than a late-to-the-party townie trying to solve the game. I haven't read the thread. I've skimmed like 2 filters and read these last 2-3 pages. To be honest I don't believe you. If you were skimming around the part where I went off on rsoultin/coag you should know that I've been town read by most everyone. That being the case, it'd be easy to call me town, and what I said about trying to get town cred for making a townie read that everyone else has already made holds true. I had no idea anyone else called you town. If you want a full disclosure on how I obtained the read on you it was like this: I respect rayn as a player so I clicked his filter and went right to his last page. on the top of page 8 of rayn's filter there is a conversation that involves all the required knowledge for me to draw the conclusions I have drawn (both about coag/rsoultin being the masons, and the evidence I used to draw the conclusion you might be town). You'll get no town cred from me, scum Why scum rather than null? The progression of our conversation just now: Palmar hasn't been around at all for this game so far Enters the thread by by town reading me, specifically for the masons incident with rsoultin/coag Claims he hasn't read any of the thread and that had no idea anybody else town read me I'm not sure I believe his claim that he's read so little, or that he had no idea anybody else townread me. I think he's lying, and therefore I think he's scum.
So you think he read a lot and is saying he didn't read anything because it makes him look townier?
Really? Not reading the thread is very believable to me.
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On December 28 2015 07:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
-Sheeps Rayn on TT
-Asks for a summary of Vivax' case when the summary is long in the thread and he should've already read it if he knew there was a case
-Comes out favouring TT over Vivax without explaining anything
-Pops back into the thread favouring TT without explaining anything and disappears again.
-Makes a few random comments on other things that are completely meaningless.
-Asks for a summary of Vivax' case when the summary is long in the thread and he should've already read it if he knew there was a case
This is not true. You can know people want to vote vivax without seeing the one post that contained the "case."
Basically your case boils down to sheeping rayn on TT and staying on TT without explaining why in depth.
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On December 28 2015 22:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 22:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 09:52 Holyflare wrote:On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax? I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning. On December 27 2015 09:26 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Hi rit can we be town bros this game? Why would he be town with his posts so far On December 27 2015 09:32 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote:
Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he<script id="gpt-impl-0.38516774774958256" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script> a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought. Was HF's case that he supposedly didn't understand. On December 28 2015 00:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 28 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 28 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Can someone summarize the case on Vivax for me? I didn't particularly understand it very well the first time I read it. He's not posting much and when he is posting it's being a complete non-factor. That sounds fantastic. I'm going to double check some stuff. I basically said the same thing, yet suddenly it's fantastic. Not reading all posts and not remembering everything is not a mafia trait. Way too much too remember. Way too many variables. We can't lynch mafia D1 in minis, wont lynch them here) Unless you focus on finding something only mafia would say / do. These "he plays odd and didn't read thread" cases always end up in town being lynched. Because 3 people make cases like that and eventually we lynch the townie. Look at how TT/Vivax were wagons 2 games ago and 1 brilliant mind + Show Spoiler + had ACTUAL reasons why Chrom was mafia over town... It ended with TT and Vivax having 11 votes combined and Chrom 1. Chrom was mafia and other 2 town. Chrom eventually won the game............
Thanks for the lectures/brags.
Why aren't you trying to find this game's Chrom?
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On December 28 2015 23:02 Palmar wrote:
Although I<script id="gpt-impl-0.3554030756292448" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script>'m annoyed kush hasn't responded to me about why he implied to exo that I should be a null read.
I don't know what you are looking for here but okay... I didn't think you had done anything that warrented a scumread. You read a filter and called someone town from what you read. You approached the game in the same way I would if I were in your position of having 60 unread pages.
So Exo's sudden scumread of you seemed inappropriate, and I wanted to get a better idea of what logic he was basing it on.
I suppose I can understand Exo thinking you might be scum playing dumb in order to excuse yourself from having to look townie.
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On December 28 2015 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 22:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 09:52 Holyflare wrote:On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax? I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning. On December 27 2015 09:26 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Hi rit can we be town bros this game? Why would he be town with his posts so far On December 27 2015 09:32 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote:
Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought. Was HF's case that he supposedly didn't understand. On December 28 2015 00:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 28 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 28 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Can someone summarize the case on Vivax for me? I didn't particularly understand it very well the first time I read it. He's not posting much and when he is posting it's being a complete non-factor. That sounds fantastic. I'm going to double check some stuff. I basically said the same thing, yet suddenly it's fantastic. Thinking this might actually make you mafia ftr.
Can you be precise about what you didn't understand?
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On December 28 2015 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 23:40 nooniansoong wrote:On December 28 2015 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 28 2015 22:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 27 2015 09:52 Holyflare wrote:On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax? I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning. On December 27 2015 09:26 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Hi rit can we be town bros this game? Why would he be town with his posts so far On December 27 2015 09:32 Vivax wrote:On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote:
Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought. Was HF's case that he supposedly didn't understand. On December 28 2015 00:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On December 28 2015 00:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 28 2015 00:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Can someone summarize the case on Vivax for me? I didn't particularly understand it very well the first time I read it. He's not posting much and when he is posting it's being a complete non-factor. That sounds fantastic. I'm going to double check some stuff. I basically said the same thing, yet suddenly it's fantastic. Thinking this might actually make you mafia ftr. Can you be precise about what you didn't understand? I'm going to answer your question with a question - why is it relevant?
To clarify what you meant by "not understanding the case." It's easier to read someone you understand.
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On December 28 2015 23:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 23:56 Vivax wrote:On December 28 2015 23:31 Holyflare wrote:
I think we just lynch the people that blindly didn't want to lynch vivax a while ago, that is guaranteed mafia. As for names I'll find them. That would make them mafia why? Are you going to lynch anyone who wasnt your bitch? Eradicate some intelligence from this game? Well if perchance you are town then the people that aren't following a good case of vivax does shit all as mafia early in the game and we should pressure him generally have TMI and are mafia themselves, there is 0 reason to not form a wagon on you to make you do stuff unless they are scared to look out of place and are mafia.
Well there is SL's argument that he is easier to read as the game progresses.
Then there is someone else's argument that low activity is not scum indicative for vivax, since he has been known to play like that as town. Which makes him only as scummy as all the other inactives.
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On December 29 2015 00:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 23:32 nooniansoong wrote:On December 28 2015 23:02 Palmar wrote:
Although I<script id="gpt-impl-0.3554030756292448" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script>'m annoyed kush hasn't responded to me about why he implied to exo that I should be a null read. I don't know what you are looking for here but okay... I didn't think you had done anything that warrented a scumread. You read a filter and called someone town from what you read. You approached the game in the same way I would if I were in your position of having 60 unread pages. So Exo's sudden scumread of you seemed inappropriate, and I wanted to get a better idea of what logic he was basing it on. I suppose I can understand Exo thinking you might be scum playing dumb in order to excuse yourself from having to look townie. Meeehhhh~~~~ that's not entirely correct. Exo accused me, specifically, of lying about having not read the game. I provided pretty solid evidence that I was telling the truth and he just doubled down. The thing is, if I am lying about not having read the game (which would btw be an enormously dumb lie), I should be mafia, Exo is not wrong there. The problem is, I pretty much demonstrated that I was telling the truth. So the reason to question his scumread on me is that one of his main premises for calling me mafia turned out to be invalid. Technically it should make you mafia that you defended me without actually understanding why you should be defending me but I don't know. I'll make that call later.
Your proof had nothing to do with why I questioned that read. I'm not sure Exo "doubled down" after your proof. Perhaps he didn't yet see or understand your proof when he doubled down. I think it would be interesting to see if he still thinks you're scum or admits to making a mistake.
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My vote on palmar is definitely bad now that he has showed up, but I don't know who to change it to yet.
Alaka for now.
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@HF if you have no reads on anyone and you pick someone at random, chances are that person is town.
Assuming TT's activity is not alignment indicative, and you are reading him solely on activity, chances are he's town.
I agree with Palmar that the argument isn't insightful or interesting. But it was the reason I did not want to kill TT.
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HF you started out the game so strong and now you've gradually stopped trying.
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Rayn a lot of those points against him you make are due to his laziness and you and him misundertanding each other,
Maybe he misunderstood your case against Ness and thought he had already made it by posting those quotes.
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Hf thinks my refusal to scumread tt indicates tmi. That implies that tt is town. Now he is sleeping rayn on tt.
That is an inconsistency in hfs reads I would like explained,
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Rayn he did point out the sl thing.
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