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NocturneMage
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On January 04 2016 01:13 Damdred wrote: Nm what's the mafia motivation potentially going 1v1 and if he's cc Tt is confirmed town? The counterclaim would in theory draw out the cop. They have a rolecop, roleblocker and a decent chunk of kp where doing this might be worth sacrificing a vanilla scum. | ||
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NocturneMage
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On January 04 2016 01:48 sicklucker wrote: maybe nocturne mage is tmi when he acualy knows what mafia roles there are since I never bothered to look other then the vig and roleblocker I noticed. I mean its really stupid I think so I wont hold it against him but I never noticed there was a rolecop or a gf. Like whats rc even stand for rolecops are kinda rare in games This is an open setup? Read the OP much? And people have mentioned both rolecop/rolechecker in pre-game/early game in putting the setup together. Are you smoking weed or something? | ||
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##unvote ##vote Palmar I'll pick up reading the thread from where I left off. | ||
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On January 04 2016 02:24 Damdred wrote: Wouldn't it be interesting to start lynching Palomar today and make him play super hardvtommorow to get a read off him I'd agree to this. | ||
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NocturneMage
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Backtracked to Artanis/Koshi filters, hitting Vivax and rayn's filter next. Since Alakaslam is the other wagon, I remember Holyflare going hard on Slam so I'll read Holyflare's filter next. IMO Slam is unreadable to me, I have no idea how to read him, he's all over the place. Artanis' arguments from what I'm reading come down to Palmar's misrepresentation of meta and his town game falling below expectations, that he has the capability to solve the game early on and fails to do that. Also that a bit of Palmar's posting is for the sake of posting (check if that is currently happening here???) just to look town and not really solve the game. Though (for those that know me) I don't trust meta, I can trust what Artanis says here as he's a green flip. And Artanis should obviously know his own meta and know best when someone is misunderstanding/misinterpreting. I can believe this. Artanis' other scumreads at points in time were Vivax, Tictock, wavering on ritoky, Holyflare, OWS, voted rayn at one point and ended with the strong scumread on Palmar. All those I mentioned are dead except OWS, ritoky and Palmar. Interesting. Koshi went hard 100% scumreads on Slam, Palmar, and Onegu. From games I've observed Koshi knows his stuff. rayn last reads: Noon/BF/Palmar/Onegu/Ness/Tictock, possibly Shining. Of those, only Noon, Palmar, Onegu, Shining are alive, and I know I'm town replacing in for Ness. rayn doesn't have 100% reads and isn't right all the time but this is a common thread between these three players' reads on Palmar. I know from playing with both, both have been around awhile, so I am going to make the assumption both are quite familiar with each other's games. rayn's reasoning for scumreading Palmar fundamentally are in posts 2143, 2145 and 2146. The switch to Rels being scummy. We know the day 1 wagon now was between two townies, Tictock and Rels. On December 29 2015 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way Palmar does neither of: (1) stay on TicTock when having claimed to sheep me (2) vote Vivax after unclaim ..as town. There is just no way and it makes Palmar 100% mafia. If I'm reading this right, this is indicative that Palmar did not care about the day 1 lynch, and this is mafia indicative. Looking at the votes, ignoring where Half the Sky had to re-do the vote count, Palmar bounced between the two town wagons, rayn and Palmar were never on the same wagon, so (1) makes sense here. (2) I don't get, hosts didn't make a mistake as filtering Palmar's votes don't show where he voted Vivax in the voting thread. If he did in the main thread (???) then alright. | ||
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On January 04 2016 23:49 nooniansoong wrote: Whyyyy GB can come in end game and town himself much like palmar has (somewhat). Besides that Gb looks town from his earlier content. Alakaslam never looked town. Many of the NKs have strongly wanted to kill alaka (koshi, HF off the top of my head). Alakaslam also has fucked off like GB except he's not the type of player that can come back and look super town. This is why I'm trying to get to Holyflare's filter if I can, I know he was scumreading GB and Slam and I have heard from others Holyflare is one of the best town players on TL even though I've never played with him. | ||
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On December 30 2015 00:36 Vivax wrote: Yes I argued and antagonized people and now you're going to explain how it's my mafia meta when half the forum knows its exactly the opposite Another callout of meta misrepresentation by Palmar. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me... | ||
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On January 04 2016 23:58 ObviousOne wrote: so hes ok calling noct a fucker for no reason? to me itimplied a familiarity like ribbing a friend but then they d ont know eachother it just stands out as weird like i said I don't know why he calls me that, but I have never played with sicklucker. From the games I recall observing him he has very erratic posting behaviour but I didn't get an impression he was out to get me when he interacted with me. I personally thought the rolecop argument was really dumb but given what I know of him from observation, this wouldn't appear to be outside his town game, and making an assumption a relative newbie like myself (4 newbies, 1 non-newbie, not counting the 2 games in progress) with no other forum exposure to mafia - doesn't know what a rolecop is, isn't an unreasonable argument for town to make particularly when he looked my games up in the database. | ||
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On January 04 2016 23:59 Palmar wrote: like how can you make a point about me without reading the conversation? Here's the thing Palmar, you are raising justification (see Vivax's bolded statement) to shoot him. It's called context. If you're town, you want to shoot mafia. Duh. And I'm using that point against you because there's a pattern. Your reaction to Vivax's statement is honestly, irrelevant. Artanis made the same point against you. Vivax made the same point against you. Two different players in two different situations. You don't have to be explicitly calling someone mafia for that reaction to occur, you merely suggesting that is adequate cause for him to suggest what you are doing is problematic. I made the same logical point with Artanis, they know their own alignment/meta/etc. As both flipped green, we know we can trust what they are saying. | ||
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