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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:01 GMT
#3258
which ones are shit?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:21 GMT
#3261
On January 02 2016 12:05 nooniansoong wrote:
ritoky..
Still not getting why that conversation is town. Can you explain it like I'm five?

The dumbtell.. he made masons prove they are masons. So? Scum know they are supposed to be suspicious. I think he was being overly and artificially suspicious if anything.


1) He confirms he has read the thread, and identifies that he understands that TT has been red checked and counterclaimed for his role.
2) Even though he understands that someone has been red checked and CC'd he wants to lynch Palmar because his dead TRs said so and would rather have a vigi (me) shoot TT.
3) I then explain to him why mechanically it makes no sense because 1 is from a source of definitive information (lulz) and the other is from a source of indefinite information.
4) He still resists saying he prefers palmar, and tries to justify why the alternative is bettter.
5) Amidst all of his explanation he has a underlying paranoia that another shennanie will happen if the lynch is on TT and that someone who he doesn't want lynched will get lynched so he would rather just lynch Palmar who is the person he wants.

Why does this shit make him town?
#1 pushback against a mechanically simple play, rather than accept something that at the time was accepted as fact he elects to push back. mafia are more apt to take the free lynch and not quibble a whole lot.
#2 illogical fear of shennanigans doesn't feel like it comes from mafia
#3 discussing alternatives when no one else was is a town trait. the thread had largely shut itself down to any other lynch.
#4 wanting palmar lynched and tt shot dumb tell
#5 quick and thought out responses that felt like they came from a place on honest concern. timers on responses: 11 mins, 5 mins, 9 mins. considering the amount he typed for each, i doubt as mafia he is that good at faking that much content that quickly and sounding that good.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:23 GMT
#3263
the rest of my read is tonal and the way i felt as he was pushing back on me even though i felt i was thoroughly explaining to him why we should lynch a red checked and cc'd player and was getting progressively more confused why he wasn't understanding.

and unlike you i do buy the masons thing to a degree.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:24 GMT
#3264
On January 02 2016 12:22 Damdred wrote:
I looked in the op doesn't say if shots are refunded or not where do you get that from sl?


4th line from the bottom, 1st post.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:28 GMT
#3266
this is correct right?

On January 02 2016 09:37 ritoky wrote:
19 players - 14-5

if shoot worst case:
10 - 5 after N2
9 - 5 after D3
7 - 5 after N3
6 - 5 After D4 -> lost unless save

if not shoot worst case:
11 - 5 after N2
10 - 5 after D3
8 - 5 after N3
7 - 5 after D4
6 - 5 after N4

so missing costs us a ML right? can someone confirm?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 03:45 GMT
#3268
On January 02 2016 12:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2016 12:21 ritoky wrote:
On January 02 2016 12:05 nooniansoong wrote:
ritoky..
Still not getting why that conversation is town. Can you explain it like I'm five?

The dumbtell.. he made masons prove they are masons. So? Scum know they are supposed to be suspicious. I think he was being overly and artificially suspicious if anything.


1) He confirms he has read the thread, and identifies that he understands that TT has been red checked and counterclaimed for his role.
2) Even though he understands that someone has been red checked and CC'd he wants to lynch Palmar because his dead TRs said so and would rather have a vigi (me) shoot TT.
3) I then explain to him why mechanically it makes no sense because 1 is from a source of definitive information (lulz) and the other is from a source of indefinite information.
4) He still resists saying he prefers palmar, and tries to justify why the alternative is bettter.
5) Amidst all of his explanation he has a underlying paranoia that another shennanie will happen if the lynch is on TT and that someone who he doesn't want lynched will get lynched so he would rather just lynch Palmar who is the person he wants.

Why does this shit make him town?
#1 pushback against a mechanically simple play, rather than accept something that at the time was accepted as fact he elects to push back. mafia are more apt to take the free lynch and not quibble a whole lot.
#2 illogical fear of shennanigans doesn't feel like it comes from mafia
#3 discussing alternatives when no one else was is a town trait. the thread had largely shut itself down to any other lynch.
#4 wanting palmar lynched and tt shot dumb tell
#5 quick and thought out responses that felt like they came from a place on honest concern. timers on responses: 11 mins, 5 mins, 9 mins. considering the amount he typed for each, i doubt as mafia he is that good at faking that much content that quickly and sounding that good.


1. All this sounds like an easy way for Exo to contribute while not having to scumhunt. Scum can discuss mechanics like anybody else.
Why does it matter to scum which of palmar or exo gets lynched and which gets shot? It doesn't So he picks what he thinks looks townier.

2. Illogical fear is scummy. It's illogical. It doesn't make sense. It's fake.

3. He did it because he thought it was an easy way to look town.

4. Don't see why that is townie.

5. He wasn't coming up with scumreads so it wasn't hard for him.


1. You don't read his posts as real conviction in wanting things to be done his way? I do, and it matters because I think palmar is scum and he wanted scum lynched before flipped blue.
2. Disagree, paranoia about shennanies happening on a red checked and cc'd person is the kinda fear that isn't scummy to me.
3. Could be.
4. Agree to disagree.
5. faking legitimacy takes time
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 04:24 GMT
#3276
sl you gonna tell me which of my reads is shit?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 04:25 GMT
#3278
On January 02 2016 12:59 nooniansoong wrote:
Clarification to my earlier post: My angle is that ritoky shouldn't be scumreading you for that, not that you are scum because of that.


who should i be town reading that i am not? (yourself excluded)
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 04:27 GMT
#3279
On January 02 2016 13:25 sicklucker wrote:
you called me and gb scum


why is gb town? cuz he thinks hf is mafia?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 22:59 GMT
#3360
indecision is crippling, i may regret this
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 23:11 GMT
#3364
because i read you town, and i figured if 1 of you and onegu is mafia or both are mafia, then i am getting roleblocked and i know it. if both of you are town they are gonna let my bullet through so i started working on other people to shoot. and between myself and hf i arrived at moosy and slam. i sent about 9 pms to the mods....i really wish i had shot slam now.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 23:15 GMT
#3367
because i was realllllly sure hf was town and i had a lot of faith that he isn't this wrong as town so i trusted his reads the most
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 23:17 GMT
#3368
i am seriously upset at whoever is jk tho...no prot on rayn/artanis n1 and no prot on hf/koshi/me n2????????????
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 23:19 GMT
#3370
On January 03 2016 08:17 Damdred wrote:
Let's move past this, you do always ignore my reads every game we play though just as a side note.

Name your top 5 town today ritoky


ritoky
coag
exo
damdred
onegu
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 02 2016 23:34 GMT
#3374
On January 03 2016 08:26 Damdred wrote:
I think onegu can be a sac here though let's say he's scum vig he has two outcomes, he either gets his target lynched and take his last shot get lynched today

Or

He gets cc by the real DT and we probably lynch TT to see who's lying or they kill TT and the outed DT and we have almost no confirms left. They don't really lose a ml in this situation meh and with our jk yeah.

So I don't think he's a lock town but I do agree its unlikely he goes 1v 1 at that point.

What do you think of sl


idk i just think that if there's a risk of onegu getting shot there and clearly the mafia didn't know who was blue why isn't the rb on me to mitigate that risk? it wastes a town kp and it saves a mafia guaranteed. i have a hard time seeing either of you as mafia simply because my bullet was allowed through. mafia are risk averse, and that is not a risk averse play.

my read on SL is that

1) he TMI'd the TT lynch and so i moved him to scum lean. he did it twice, once early and once late:

On December 30 2015 20:31 sicklucker wrote:
Also why is TT still trying does not make anysense. maybe hes just there vig trying to get another day


On January 02 2016 07:46 sicklucker wrote:
tictock if you somehow are town and didnt fight here your a very sad player because both dandred/onegu have faked claimed in this spot before as town and there is alot of wifmo


2) his read on me changes with the wind

3) his thread presence has increased as more town leaders have died imo which is a bit opportunistic

he could be scum.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2016 00:41 GMT
#3380
On January 03 2016 09:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm still hyper inclined to lynch Trfel, btw.


cuz?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2016 01:39 GMT
#3385
On January 03 2016 10:36 nooniansoong wrote:
Harder to lynch in terms of who other people are willing to vote.


why does that matter? a good case on mafia is a good case on mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2016 01:53 GMT
#3391
moosy, it is covered. read the previous page.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2016 01:54 GMT
#3392
i bet i can guess!
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2016 02:02 GMT
#3396
On December 30 2015 21:17 sicklucker wrote:
I kinda feel like its too early to make lists but i like these people as town

Coag
gb
dandred
ritoky
ness
vivax
obi
koshi
onegu

Theres probably gonna be one mafia in there tops I think unless fake claims

and im sure this wont be a popular opinion but its where im at


On January 02 2016 12:00 sicklucker wrote:
ritoky acualy definitely hold your shot. two reasons

Your reads are shit
If a vig's shot is roleblocked they do NOT get the bullet back.


On January 02 2016 22:13 sicklucker wrote:
Heres my confident towns. Its not a very big list

Koshi - Never really seen his mafia play but this is so obvious tbh. Hes such an easy ready when he gets all salty

Gb - I saw his thought process I see it coming from a paranoid town perspective. Pretty much everything that makes me town makes him town

obi- your just gonna have to trust me on this one. I have played alot of games with him and for him his contributions are huge and knowledgeable

dandred- He would not do his claim as mafia enough said. Its a bad meta but when he claimed I knew he was a. fake claiming instantly and b. town

A unique suspicion I have on everyones favorite gif poster.

He revealed his gun instantly. He has done this as mafia in the Christmas game last year as well. When he got a present which was also a 1 shot vig or something similiar he backed himself into a corner where I caught him when he claimed he had it when he shouldnt have. So there is some parelels here. im not saying I think hes scum but some food for thought. Im sure hf remembers this blooper well. He has done the same thing the last time he was given a gun at the same time of the tear.? COINCIDENCE?



it's not like you've been progressively setting up to scum read me over the past 72 hours or anything
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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