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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 04 2016 06:03 GMT
#1001
scumreads after reading day 1: (I am on page 32 at the night post)

Fidei
mderg
GiygaS
TheCow

These are only scumreads born from the first day. Break time.
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 04 2016 06:03 GMT
#1002
Sorry for spam I didn't realize nobody would have posted since I left work
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 04 2016 12:13 GMT
#1003
Spam is welcomed.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 04 2016 15:04 GMT
#1004
I'm going to devote my lunch this game. First on my agenda is relooking at fidei. His filter length is scummy, and I may have let him off too easy.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 04 2016 15:28 GMT
#1005
I want every single people to tell me:

1) why is mderg town
2) why is fidei scum
3) is anyone townreading Giygas?
I'm adorable.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 04 2016 15:43 GMT
#1006
Phoneposting since I'm off break now but offhand:

(1) mderg is town for the manner in which he went after you at latest. However, there are other parts of his filter that are 50/50 which I conceded in my filter walkthrough.

(2) If I had to give a scumread on Fidei, he would be scum for not getting back to my questions, but I did see where earlier posts could be towny.

(3) GigyaS right now is a coinflip. Couple of towny posts for a lean early on, but I'm still trying to grasp end of day 2 and where his mind is on previous scumreads.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 04 2016 15:46 GMT
#1007
On (2), I want to see where Fidei is now that Onegu has flipped town.

On (1) I know Noon and I disagreed on how organic/obvious/predatory/whatever word you want to use the argument made against you. I'm going to chalk this up to the gap in experience - where such an argument might be because he's much more experienced than I am. To me making that argument wouldn't be obvious without double checking filters.

mderg is an experienced player so if Noon's arguing that his argument against mderg is a low-ball argument for someone of his calibre (???) to make against you, then that's a different story.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 04 2016 16:05 GMT
#1008
NM it's not that it's a lowball argument. I looked at it and thought the same thing: "wow what a bad reason to scumread/vote someone"
But it's so obvious that mafia can think of it easily.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 04 2016 16:07 GMT
#1009
clarification: I thought GB's reasoning was bad. Mderg's reasoning for scumreading that post wasn't bad but it's too easy to get townpoints for.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 04 2016 16:07 GMT
#1010
On January 05 2016 00:46 NocturneMage wrote:
On (2), I want to see where Fidei is now that Onegu has flipped town.

On (1) I know Noon and I disagreed on how organic/obvious/predatory/whatever word you want to use the argument made against you. I'm going to chalk this up to the gap in experience - where such an argument might be because he's much more experienced than I am. To me making that argument wouldn't be obvious without double checking filters.

mderg is an experienced player so if Noon's arguing that his argument against mderg is a low-ball argument for someone of his calibre (???) to make against you, then that's a different story.


I don't understand the second paragraph
I'm adorable.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 04 2016 16:12 GMT
#1011
Could be scum:
1) Kmatt
2) Shapelog replaced by FecalFeast
3) TheCow replaced by The Shining
5) GiygaS
7) Fidei86
8) mderg

Scumteam?:
FF
Fidei
mderg

~~~
Gigyas did something that seemed town to me. I'd have to find it again though.
~~~
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 04 2016 16:20 GMT
#1012
On January 05 2016 00:28 GlowingBear wrote:
I want every single people to tell me:

1) why is mderg town
2) why is fidei scum
3) is anyone townreading Giygas?

1) shouldn't you also explain why I'm supposedly scum?
2) I don't have a scumread on Fidei. He has kind of disappeared the last few days, though.
3) He's meh. Did look rather bad at the start but managed to look more towny after D1. But then he made that last minute vote switch. So not a would lynch now kind of guy but also not a never lynch guy
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 04 2016 16:24 GMT
#1013
On January 05 2016 01:07 nooniansoong wrote:
clarification: I thought GB's reasoning was bad. Mderg's reasoning for scumreading that post wasn't bad but it's too easy to get townpoints for.

That's not wrong BUT is there anything I get scumpoints for?
Seriously, both you and GB have been scumreading me for like 5 rl days without giving any proper explanation for it but for some reason want the others to prove that I'm town. That's so fucking stupid I can't even believe it.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 04 2016 16:27 GMT
#1014
On January 05 2016 01:24 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 01:07 nooniansoong wrote:
clarification: I thought GB's reasoning was bad. Mderg's reasoning for scumreading that post wasn't bad but it's too easy to get townpoints for.

That's not wrong BUT is there anything I get scumpoints for?
Seriously, both you and GB have been scumreading me for like 5 rl days without giving any proper explanation for it but for some reason want the others to prove that I'm town. That's so fucking stupid I can't even believe it.


um that's gb who is doing that not me.

I just can't townread you so I'm assuming you're scum. What you can do about it is tell me who is scum and why.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 04 2016 16:30 GMT
#1015
On January 05 2016 01:27 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 01:24 mderg wrote:
On January 05 2016 01:07 nooniansoong wrote:
clarification: I thought GB's reasoning was bad. Mderg's reasoning for scumreading that post wasn't bad but it's too easy to get townpoints for.

That's not wrong BUT is there anything I get scumpoints for?
Seriously, both you and GB have been scumreading me for like 5 rl days without giving any proper explanation for it but for some reason want the others to prove that I'm town. That's so fucking stupid I can't even believe it.


um that's gb who is doing that not me.

I just can't townread you so I'm assuming you're scum. What you can do about it is tell me who is scum and why.

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT DOING IT? If you're town I sincerely hope you get a coach next game!
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 04 2016 16:32 GMT
#1016
On January 05 2016 01:30 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 01:27 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 05 2016 01:24 mderg wrote:
On January 05 2016 01:07 nooniansoong wrote:
clarification: I thought GB's reasoning was bad. Mderg's reasoning for scumreading that post wasn't bad but it's too easy to get townpoints for.

That's not wrong BUT is there anything I get scumpoints for?
Seriously, both you and GB have been scumreading me for like 5 rl days without giving any proper explanation for it but for some reason want the others to prove that I'm town. That's so fucking stupid I can't even believe it.


um that's gb who is doing that not me.

I just can't townread you so I'm assuming you're scum. What you can do about it is tell me who is scum and why.

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT DOING IT? If you're town I sincerely hope you get a coach next game!


Ok maybe I am doing it.
So who is scum and why?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 04 2016 17:38 GMT
#1017
Mderg is pissed that there's no case to defend himself from
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 04 2016 18:16 GMT
#1018
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You guys talk more during day phases right?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 04 2016 18:18 GMT
#1019
Kush why is my opening gambit as replaced scum to put both my teammates on my scumlist?

Right after you asked if I'm good at scum, too. Maybe you think busing is good, or at least you think that I think it's good since I said I think I'm pretty good.

ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 04 2016 18:20 GMT
#1020
On January 05 2016 01:05 nooniansoong wrote:
NM it's not that it's a lowball argument. I looked at it and thought the same thing: "wow what a bad reason to scumread/vote someone"
But it's so obvious that mafia can think of it easily.


On January 05 2016 01:07 nooniansoong wrote:
clarification: I thought GB's reasoning was bad. Mderg's reasoning for scumreading that post wasn't bad but it's too easy to get townpoints for.


On January 05 2016 01:24 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 01:07 nooniansoong wrote:
clarification: I thought GB's reasoning was bad. Mderg's reasoning for scumreading that post wasn't bad but it's too easy to get townpoints for.

That's not wrong BUT is there anything I get scumpoints for?
Seriously, both you and GB have been scumreading me for like 5 rl days without giving any proper explanation for it but for some reason want the others to prove that I'm town. That's so fucking stupid I can't even believe it.


I had to read this exchange a few times to understand but now I finally understand why mderg has I think a valid concern here.

Noon, you agreed that mderg's reasoning to scum GB at least made sense - from context "wow what a bad reason to scumread/vote someone".

But mderg is saying that your reasoning to say that it's obvious that mafia can think of this (Now I finally understand why Noon, you are not giving him townpoints for this. I disagree, but I digress.) - he doesn't dispute this (third quote).

But what may be a problem here is that from his eyes, you are characterising his play as exclusively scummy, or taking what can be seen as town play and seeing it from a mafia standpoint. To frame it as such and exclusively, that, can be mafia indicative.

mderg -

(1) is my understanding of the problem correct?
(2) when I went to Noon's original concern on you he said you were playing passively, a little too passively for town. I am not familiar with you. How would you describe your towngame?
(3) how often have you played with Noon? Is it enough where he should be familiar enough with your towngame?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
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