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On December 31 2015 06:01 scott31337 wrote:
4) Irishbound - Wants me dead, wants Onegu dead - we're both town/mislynches (Pretty sure Onegu town) - scumlean
5) GiygaS - filter worse than mine - would lynch
6) NocturneMage - Wants me dead just not as badly - Doesn't look like his scum meta (unless he's been learning!) - townlean
7) Fidei86 - His list post is pretty decent - wouldn't lynch today - but not super solid townlean either.
8) mderg - Lots of one liners and questions - was honest about my filter when re-reading it though but still votes me - I dont feel so OMGUS'y on him like I do Irish though. There are better lynches for today.
9) GlowingBear - He's a little too calm - but I still think he's town
10) Onegu - Started barf VT claim town Onegu day 1 meta - dont lynch
11) nooniansoong - Defended me when the thread is after me, but I don't think it's a pocket.
Can you differentiate what makes Irish scum for wanting you dead? I think both of us had similar grounds for your lynch. (You are townreading me.)
Was there a specific quote/case that jumped out as scummy?
I don't generally trust meta reads....can someone verify if Onegu does the VT claim thing as mafia?
Onegu was pure policy when I last afked. In skimming just now, aside from Fidei, he seemed to have a scumlean on GB, which looked reasonable to me given the non-engagement issues I had with him when I afked.
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On December 31 2015 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Scott, vote Kmatt with me.
Was there something new you had an issue with or was this the same stuff from last night? If it was the same stuff from last night, is it completely unfathomable from newbie town to do what he did? This is one key thing to me, that makes Cow more town than you - he's trying to frame the situation from one that is believeable from his perspective.
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On December 31 2015 06:25 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 06:21 NocturneMage wrote:On December 31 2015 06:01 scott31337 wrote:
4) Irishbound - Wants me dead, wants Onegu dead - we're both town/mislynches (Pretty sure Onegu town) - scumlean
5) GiygaS - filter worse than mine - would lynch
6) NocturneMage - Wants me dead just not as badly - Doesn't look like his scum meta (unless he's been learning!) - townlean
7) Fidei86 - His list post is pretty decent - wouldn't lynch today - but not super solid townlean either.
8) mderg - Lots of one liners and questions - was honest about my filter when re-reading it though but still votes me - I dont feel so OMGUS'y on him like I do Irish though. There are better lynches for today.
9) GlowingBear - He's a little too calm - but I still think he's town
10) Onegu - Started barf VT claim town Onegu day 1 meta - dont lynch
11) nooniansoong - Defended me when the thread is after me, but I don't think it's a pocket. Can you differentiate what makes Irish scum for wanting you dead? I think both of us had similar grounds for your lynch. (You are townreading me.) Was there a specific quote/case that jumped out as scummy? I don't generally trust meta reads....can someone verify if Onegu does the VT claim thing as mafia? Onegu was pure policy when I last afked. In skimming just now, aside from Fidei, he seemed to have a scumlean on GB, which looked reasonable to me given the non-engagement issues I had with him when I afked. I have done it as mafia multiple times. I have done it as blue multiple times. I have done it as VT multiple times.
If your explanation is true, then that's quite the rubbish meta explanation from Scott - that is, he's townreading you for a very bad reason.
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On December 31 2015 06:01 scott31337 wrote:
1) Kmatt - Shows some decent thoughts that I like - expresses thoughts - and the post I noted before - townlean
KMatt has been a point of contention for a few people here, I personally didn't agree at all with your initial post for townreading him. If you are caught up (and it appears you are based on updated reads for some of the other players here), then in your own words, why is KMatt town?
More specific, examples of "decent thoughts?"
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On December 31 2015 06:51 scott31337 wrote:People om Fidei look better than on Kmatt after looking it over. Is that better? 
Can you at least explained what changed? You had a townlean on him?
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I need to reassess everyone on the scott wagon it looks like. Regarding Irish, honestly, nothing is jumping out right now, and Irish's continued reasoning for scumming Scott, honestly I can't argue that because Irish did have a reason to town Onegu even though I'm not sure I fully agreed with it, I don't see that it could make him scum.
The early voting makes him more townie and I didn't get a chance to fully look through Noon today which was his other willing vote. I know someone pinged me out earlier for putting Noon in the lynch list but that was because he was going after KMatt for white knighting or something and then didn't follow up at the time I looked at him.
I am curious to see where people are calling Irish tryhard scum. He really believed in the case on Scott.
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Irish kept the same read on Noon, but I know Noon's posted today, so I have to see the basis for why that read stayed the same. That's about the only thing I can think of.
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On December 31 2015 07:08 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 07:06 NocturneMage wrote:
I need to reassess everyone on the scott wagon it looks like. Regarding Irish, honestly, nothing is jumping out right now, and Irish's continued reasoning for scumming Scott, honestly I can't argue that because Irish did have a reason to town Onegu even though I'm not sure I fully agreed with it, I don't see that it could make him scum.
The early voting makes him more townie and I didn't get a chance to fully look through Noon today which was his other willing vote. I know someone pinged me out earlier for putting Noon in the lynch list but that was because he was going after KMatt for white knighting or something and then didn't follow up at the time I looked at him.
I am curious to see where people are calling Irish tryhard scum. He really believed in the case on Scott. So you don't think he is scummy?
The aspects of his play that are sticking out to me, no. The only thing is the read on Noon since he mentioned Scott or Noon.
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We have a result of 6-3-1-1.
I'd say most likely 2 mafia on the Scott wagon.
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Looking at the off-wagon people....their being afk (KMatt and Shapelog in particular as they were unable to push their reads due to work/emergency) is NAI. Cow was in the process of reassessing when he disappeared 15+ hours ago but who knows the reason. The reasoning up to then was towny.
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Alright, let me clear my head a bit and then I'll return and reassess.
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On December 31 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote:
NM I've asked that because in early day1 you said Irish was a scumlean but he completely disappeared from your radar since that time
I know I had an issue with him about the anti-town stuff, but that concern was resolved. Since then I had no reason to take issue with him. The way he had been ferretting things out to me looked towny.
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On December 29 2015 10:08 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 09:47 Irishbound wrote:
@NM - I am well aware of the definition of "Anti-Town", what I liked was the speed of Noons reaction towards Glowings comment (The difference between it being posted and his response was 1 minute) which fits more with a natural townie reaction towards the comment being "That's going to hurt us" one and while I don't doubt that it's fake-able for mafia to do that I just find that mafia are more likely to think through the post or it's consequences more there. Again it's not a strong town read but out of everything that had occurred at the time it's only town read I had. Alright, I see what you mean by the timestamps, I can accept this explanation, fair enough.
At GB - I assume this is what you were referencing.
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Happy New Years to all the Americans stateside. Been partying all night but a few comments before I finally crash.
First this whole scumslip business, I still have no idea what you people are looking for or looking at. Onegu, Fidei gave context to how he was reading you, even if the read was ON you, I tried to look for examples using search where people are either making interpretations of these things and of these things as either alignments and the interpretations from both alignments seem to be all over the place.
I'm with Noon with how is Shape scum independent of the scumslip (based on how you phrased post 667), and how is reading you MORE of a scumslip than not reading you?
Scumslips - being misused or misinterpreted by townies on townies
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?page=75#1493
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?page=214#4276
Actual scumslip - read wasn't even made on a person
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia?page=80#1582
No I don't have an example here where scumslips were misused by mafia on townies, but I imagine that there have to have been scenarios where this has happened.
Point is, absent a secondary argument (yes I am aware Noon has one which is something I'll read when I re-examine filters) beating scumslips out of proportion if town (as demonstrated in the examples above) can be unreliable at best and scummy at worst.
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The second question regarding Onegu - since I've never played with him before is that is the whole finding scum thing based on scumreads on you - is this something he does as town, mafia or both alignments?
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Also Onegu, is your case against GB boiling down to:
(1) the quick town read on Irish
(2) his scumreading/pushing you
Or was there more than that? That was all I could garner from your filter.
Did you have any comments to make regarding his engagement with his scumreads?
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On January 01 2016 13:56 nooniansoong wrote:
happy new years all. good to have you back shape.
+1
Welcome back and I hope you are recovering well.
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On January 01 2016 13:49 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2016 13:46 GlowingBear wrote:On January 01 2016 13:33 Shapelog wrote:On December 31 2015 04:25 Irishbound wrote:On December 31 2015 04:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Kush and fidei are probably town
It should be clear that Kmatt is Mafia right now
So you think Onegu is town? Mderg also? Yes, I've got a town read on Onegus reaction towards Fideis post, it's not a particularly strong one but not even remotely interested in lynching there. I do have a very strong town read on Mderg, his reads and thoughts mirror mine when catching up quite often, I can understand his reasoning behind almost all of his reads, I'd almost bet the entire game on him being town. Want to make an agreement Glowing? We lynch Scott today, if he's mafia like I expect you let me tell you where to put your vote tomorrow, if he flips town you can tell me where to place mine. Page 28. This is either a big ass mafia slip (which btw, mderg copied his scum slip from me! look at the filter its their.) Or one huge town tell So it is NAI, basically idk i read his filter when i catch up if i feel like it tonight. And just saw scott got lynched.......And no one else voted for kush. Eh shapelog Vs Kush rule must happen.
I'm confused by this?
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On January 01 2016 14:19 NocturneMage wrote:
Also Onegu, is your case against GB boiling down to:
(1) the quick town read on Irish
(2) his scumreading/pushing you
Or was there more than that? That was all I could garner from your filter.
Did you have any comments to make regarding his engagement with his scumreads?
EBWOP - alright I saw posts 652 and 653.
Have most players who have tried to metaread you typically been scum?
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