EPTOn December 30 2015 10:07 nooniansoong wrote:
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I guess it should indicate slight leans on each of those people.
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I guess it should indicate slight leans on each of those people. | ||
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On December 30 2015 10:44 NocturneMage wrote: mderg, I looked at Kush/GB filters, Kush could be argued to soft push him and GB doesn't mention him at all, but if you are arguing they are both scum for that, seeing as you have independent (???) reasons to scumread them both, I'd rather see a flip or a stronger case against one of them before using the association argument. At the very least it's odd how up to this point they've had barely any interaction with each other. The soft push is basically nothing and doesn't have any follow up. They both see Kmatt as scummy but there is only this: On December 30 2015 09:04 nooniansoong wrote: gb get in here and you better have something more to add that I missed! That's a post that might as well come from a scum QT. So basically they only mention each other but don't actually have any kind of conversation. Considering that they've played quite a few games with each other that's definitely noteworthy and makes me believe that at least one of them is scum. | ||
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On December 30 2015 10:54 NocturneMage wrote: I'm looking at GB's reaction test on KMatt or his read on KMatt. My only issue with this reaction test is, looking at his filter, and his conversation with Shapelog is trying to see if his stance based on the reaction test would change his reads (or further solidify his reads) on Shapelog or KMatt. KMatt has responded since then and what bothers me further with GlowingBear is that I would expect him to also at least engage KMatt. Could KMatt be scum (there's a post I'll draw attention to, it was the one where he drops the GB scumread, it could be scum backing down or dropping a read or it could be a townie new to the game lacking confidence) - sure. But you would think the townie thing to do particularly of a veteran player would be to engage or further engage him. Wishy washy filter? okay. Vote placed? Okay. Reaction test and explanation? Okay. What are you doing with either the reaction test OR the scumread? Nothing. ??????????????????? I can get behind this, there should come more from GB regarding Kmatt. So far it's an "easy" scumread with little follow up. | ||
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On December 30 2015 12:07 TheCow wrote: This post is being written as of post 415. @Kmatt Before we proceed, I'd like to ask you three quick questions just to get a better understanding of you as a player. 1) How much experience do you have with the game Mafia? 2) How do you feel about this game in its current state? 3) In one sentence, describe yourself as a person. (not a question, but close enough ._.) @Irish 1) I did not and do not want to narrow my own and the threads field of vision by simply bandwagoning the leading wagon. Aside from that, Scott's activity level would waste the pressure of a vote -- much unlike Kmatt who is here now. 2) You, Irish, I had as topscum for a little while when I was catching up. Between that time and me catching up, you managed to redeem yourself in my eyes and became a void read. GB, I am conflicted because though they have been somewhat anti-town, they have not been overtly scummy -- or enough for a vote, at least. 3) Onegu looks like a player who is mislynch bait and without meta-experience, I do not feel comfortable making a definitive read without more evidence. For Fidelis, here is a quote from my notes: + Show Spoiler + [Fidea] seems to be the type of player I will scumread into oblivion regardless of their actual alignment. I have always had issues reading players like Fidea -- just their style and attitude doesn't mesh well with me. Not that much to go from but it makes me lean town on TheCow. | ||
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On December 30 2015 14:21 scott31337 wrote: So I have CPR and first aid training tomorrow morning so I have to get up early - I should be back on before EoD. The thing that gets me is - why would noon have a town read on me and go against thread sentiment if he was mafia? What's the motivation - so he moves up for me. Giygas's filter looks the worse - there's some SC stuff and nothing else - so I'm going to vote for him for now. Going against thread sentiment is common for mafia. I did that a lot when I was mafia in the past. If mafia simply goes along with the thread sentiment, some people are definitely going to notice and call them out for not bringing anything up on their own. Definitely a weak defense of noon. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 29 2015 10:47 scott31337 wrote: GB throwing out townreads like it's drunken Monday - hmmm... Okay, I'm extremely doubtful a newb mafia makes the post above with the information available. Maybe GB was right  You get a townlean for this Irish. I could possibly jump on this - but it's a big bag of joke/null for now... This Kmatt guy kind of does what I do - quote into notepad, post thoughts - I like this so far as well. I'll work on page 11 after the American Football game (or maybe halftime) In the first one he mentions GB's strange townread on Irish which isn't bad in itself. But the fact that I had done just that before and that he doesn't provide any follow up at all makes him look bad in my eyes. Then he townreads Irish and Kmatt with only vague reasoning, nothing worth mentioning. Also the strange "I could possibly jump on this". I have no idea where to put this. + Show Spoiler + On December 30 2015 14:21 scott31337 wrote: So I have CPR and first aid training tomorrow morning so I have to get up early - I should be back on before EoD. The thing that gets me is - why would noon have a town read on me and go against thread sentiment if he was mafia? What's the motivation - so he moves up for me. Giygas's filter looks the worse - there's some SC stuff and nothing else - so I'm going to vote for him for now. In the second post he provides a weak defense of noon. I don't like it regardless of noon's alignment. Then he votes Giygas. I don't think this one is particularly scummy, it's just a vote based on the lack of actual content from Giygas. His own lack of content is not something that should be taken into account for this vote. I'd say he's pretty scummy and I'm gonna vote him for now because I'm not sure I can be back before the deadline and he looks like a good place to safely park my vote. ##vote scott | ||
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On December 31 2015 04:58 Onegu wrote: Why not. I found a scumslip. That makes you scum. Yes at first was a joke post but now I know you are scum. A wise man (might have been Palmar but I'm not sure) once said that scumslips don't actually exist in forum mafia. So I'm inclined to not believe there actually was a scumslip. With that being said, time to catch up. | ||
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On December 31 2015 02:49 GlowingBear wrote: Kush, if you see something as scummy, you say the guy is probably town because there is a 8/11 chance of the guy being town? If we think like that we won't lynch anyone. Then after some point he says that my post stood out but it doesn't mean I'm from any alignment? Kush, again, if something stands out, it stands out for either alignment. Standing out = alignment indicative posts. Doesn't stand out = NAI. You can add to that that he was just commenting on this and posting about starcraft in the thread. He is not committed into scumhunting. You do understand what I'm saying, right? So your main point on Kmatt is the lack of commitment to his read on you? I fail to see how that's enough to justify a lynch D1. | ||
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On December 31 2015 02:58 nooniansoong wrote: yo mderg i hope this interaction between gb and me satisfies you lol Now that I've already commented on your lack of interaction before it doesn't change much. | ||
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On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote: mafia mderg (no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment) This makes me sad  Especially the no original thoughts part | ||
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On December 31 2015 03:54 Irishbound wrote: Fair warning but if we lynch Scott today and he flips mafia like I expect he will then I'll probably voting you for this, the sheer amount you've now defended him and made it less likely that he gets lynched is baffling given your read on him. It makes no sense as a stance whatsoever and really does ignore what the issues with him really are, sure he his lesser activity may fall under his meta, him town reading Noon for the reasoning he does doesn't though and him calling me town due to being a "newb" similarly doesn't make sense. I'd say scott flipping town would make GB look worse. Strongly defending a townie based on nothing just screams too much information. | ||
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On December 31 2015 04:51 GiygaS wrote: Still have a scumread on kmatt, just not as strong as scott. Was going to vote scott after reading, but I didn't really have a read on you in any direction so I want to go over your filter as there's interest on you. GB changed because he was already dropping and his posts seem like he's concerned about this out, mostly a feeling thing tbh. After reading your filter, you seem to be towny. So yeah, I'm going to vote scott. ##Vote scott WHat does make Fidei seem towny, please elaborate. | ||
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On December 31 2015 05:34 Onegu wrote: Then a even wiser man said they do exist. And as someone who has actually scumslipped before I know they are real. And I know what to look for. I think they happen very rarely but I don't see that being one. When I'm scum I'm usually even much more careful about wording things than as town. | ||
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On December 31 2015 05:47 nooniansoong wrote: ya know.. the way he writes big paragraphs and stuff I didn't ask you, though | ||
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actually that probably wasn't a serious response... | ||
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On December 31 2015 05:53 GiygaS wrote: The fact he reread the entire thread to make reads. That's not something I'd base a townread on | ||
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On December 31 2015 05:56 GlowingBear wrote: That's not my point anymore My point is that Giygas is his main scumread and was the second wagon to scott. He started saying that I was fishy but then said it didn't influence my alignment. He proceeded to drop his scumread on me. Then he suddenly decides I'm a "dangerous player" (? what does this even mean) and that scott's flip won't reveal much information. Instead of convincing people to vote his main scumread (who was the opposite wagon at that time), he decided to vote me. Which doesn't make sense because: 1) He said my "fishiness" couldn't reveal anything from my alignment, so his suspicions on me were weaker than the suspicions on Giygas 2) He DROPPED his scumread on me 3) If the problem is that scott's wagon won't reveal any information, he should rather lynch his main scumread because it at least is the most probable wagon to flip instead of mine. That definitely makes more sense. I can understand why he would call you a "more dangerous player", though. But his vote comes off as strange. | ||
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On December 31 2015 06:00 GiygaS wrote: Really? Why not? Why would a mafia reread thread to make reads? I always reread the thread at some points during the game. Doesn't matter what my alignment is. | ||
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On December 31 2015 06:25 Onegu wrote: I do it every game regardless of alignment. If you do something every game, it loses its meaning | ||
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