Newbie Student Mafia XVIII - Page 2

On December 30 2015 10:07 nooniansoong wrote:
S,T,T,~,~,S
Wat

On December 30 2015 10:44 NocturneMage wrote:
mderg, I looked at Kush/GB filters, Kush could be argued to soft push him and GB doesn't mention him at all, but if you are arguing they are both scum for that, seeing as you have independent (???) reasons to scumread them both, I'd rather see a flip or a stronger case against one of them before using the association argument.

On December 30 2015 09:04 nooniansoong wrote:
gb get in here and you better have something more to add that I missed!

On December 30 2015 10:54 NocturneMage wrote:
I'm looking at GB's reaction test on KMatt or his read on KMatt. My only issue with this reaction test is, looking at his filter, and his conversation with Shapelog is trying to see if his stance based on the reaction test would change his reads (or further solidify his reads) on Shapelog or KMatt. KMatt has responded since then and what bothers me further with GlowingBear is that I would expect him to also at least engage KMatt.

Could KMatt be scum (there's a post I'll draw attention to, it was the one where he drops the GB scumread, it could be scum backing down or dropping a read or it could be a townie new to the game lacking confidence) - sure. But you would think the townie thing to do particularly of a veteran player would be to engage or further engage him.

Wishy washy filter? okay.
Vote placed? Okay.
Reaction test and explanation? Okay.
What are you doing with either the reaction test OR the scumread? Nothing.

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On December 30 2015 12:07 TheCow wrote:
This post is being written as of post 415.

@Kmatt
Before we proceed, I'd like to ask you three quick questions just to get a better understanding of you as a player.
1) How much experience do you have with the game Mafia?
2) How do you feel about this game in its current state?
3) In one sentence, describe yourself as a person. (not a question, but close enough ._.)

@Irish

1) I did not and do not want to narrow my own and the threads field of vision by simply bandwagoning the leading wagon. Aside from that, Scott's activity level would waste the pressure of a vote -- much unlike Kmatt who is here now.
2) You, Irish, I had as topscum for a little while when I was catching up. Between that time and me catching up, you managed to redeem yourself in my eyes and became a void read. GB, I am conflicted because though they have been somewhat anti-town, they have not been overtly scummy -- or enough for a vote, at least.
3) Onegu looks like a player who is mislynch bait and without meta-experience, I do not feel comfortable making a definitive read without more evidence. For Fidelis, here is a quote from my notes:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have always had issues reading players like Fidea -- just their style and attitude doesn't mesh well with me.

On December 30 2015 14:21 scott31337 wrote:
So I have CPR and first aid training tomorrow morning so I have to get up early - I should be back on before EoD.

The thing that gets me is - why would noon have a town read on me and go against thread sentiment if he was mafia? What's the motivation - so he moves up for me.

Giygas's filter looks the worse - there's some SC stuff and nothing else - so I'm going to vote for him for now.

On December 31 2015 04:58 Onegu wrote:



Why not. I found a scumslip. That makes you scum. Yes at first was a joke post but now I know you are scum.

On December 31 2015 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:


Kush, if you see something as scummy, you say the guy is probably town because there is a 8/11 chance of the guy being town? If we think like that we won't lynch anyone.

Then after some point he says that my post stood out but it doesn't mean I'm from any alignment? Kush, again, if something stands out, it stands out for either alignment. Standing out = alignment indicative posts. Doesn't stand out = NAI.

You can add to that that he was just commenting on this and posting about starcraft in the thread. He is not committed into scumhunting. You do understand what I'm saying, right?

On December 31 2015 02:58 nooniansoong wrote:
yo mderg i hope this interaction between gb and me satisfies you lol

On December 31 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
mafia
mderg
(no original thoughts. the guy is just following the thread and rarely putting any original thoughts on the thread. Throw suspicions without going after it, like he did talking about me and kush avoiding each otherm and simply isn't caring for actually uncovering people's alignment)

On December 31 2015 03:54 Irishbound wrote:


Fair warning but if we lynch Scott today and he flips mafia like I expect he will then I'll probably voting you for this, the sheer amount you've now defended him and made it less likely that he gets lynched is baffling given your read on him. It makes no sense as a stance whatsoever and really does ignore what the issues with him really are, sure he his lesser activity may fall under his meta, him town reading Noon for the reasoning he does doesn't though and him calling me town due to being a "newb" similarly doesn't make sense.

On December 31 2015 04:51 GiygaS wrote:
Still have a scumread on kmatt, just not as strong as scott. Was going to vote scott after reading, but I didn't really have a read on you in any direction so I want to go over your filter as there's interest on you. GB changed because he was already dropping and his posts seem like he's concerned about this out, mostly a feeling thing tbh.

After reading your filter, you seem to be towny. So yeah, I'm going to vote scott.

##Vote scott

On December 31 2015 05:34 Onegu wrote:



Then a even wiser man said they do exist. And as someone who has actually scumslipped before I know they are real. And I know what to look for.

On December 31 2015 05:47 nooniansoong wrote:


ya know.. the way he writes big paragraphs and stuff

On December 31 2015 05:50 mderg wrote:

I didn't ask you, though

On December 31 2015 05:53 GiygaS wrote:

The fact he reread the entire thread to make reads.

On December 31 2015 05:56 GlowingBear wrote:


That's not my point anymore

My point is that Giygas is his main scumread and was the second wagon to scott. He started saying that I was fishy but then said it didn't influence my alignment. He proceeded to drop his scumread on me.

Then he suddenly decides I'm a "dangerous player" (? what does this even mean) and that scott's flip won't reveal much information. Instead of convincing people to vote his main scumread (who was the opposite wagon at that time), he decided to vote me. Which doesn't make sense because:

1) He said my "fishiness" couldn't reveal anything from my alignment, so his suspicions on me were weaker than the suspicions on Giygas
2) He DROPPED his scumread on me
3) If the problem is that scott's wagon won't reveal any information, he should rather lynch his main scumread because it at least is the most probable wagon to flip instead of mine.

On December 31 2015 06:00 GiygaS wrote:

Really? Why not? Why would a mafia reread thread to make reads?

On December 31 2015 06:25 Onegu wrote:
I do it every game regardless of alignment.