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Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 17 2015 23:10 GMT
#954
On December 18 2015 08:07 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:55 kushm4sta wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:28 Tictock wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:39 kushm4sta wrote:
tubesock i just realized you put my in a position of hard defending damdred when my townread of him really isn't super strong. Especially him asking for 3 filters isn't really that townie. Also I am rethinking his case on rels, now that I myself have read rels and don't really agree.


Kush who is your top scum right now?

D1 you were very quick to vote and pushed GB while ignoring a lot of the game.

Today I see you going around giving out townreads.


I was not ignoring d1. I simply had no time. Gb wasn't acting townie so I wanted him dead.

I don't have a top scum read. Yes I have a bunch of town reads. Some of them may be wrong. Also I have not filtered anyone yet. After i filter everyone you will get a proposed scumteam and i can tell you how certain the read is on each.


I don't want to be a dick but....uh you want to revise this statement?


He did Filter at at least once, not recently. But he did filter me to build that case against me at EoD.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 17 2015 23:23 GMT
#957
On December 18 2015 08:14 GiygaS wrote:
He also filtered me at the request of someone (came up town). Don't know what I think about the cases, had revised my rels read since he was more active. I'll go through his and TT's filter after my exam tomorrow (sorry for not being around a lot, expected this to start next week since it was supposed to be a bigger game initially). Also, where is Vivax? Thought he was gonna show up more after EoD yesterday.


I understand the exams. In fact, i had my first pop quiz since college today. Except is wasn't a quiz more like a 106 questioned pop test. But i feel your pain.

About Vobby. I metion him a few hours ago. I am concern something about him is going on. With lack of content posts (like the only two were a plus one and a question that he never followed up.) I do not know Why Master Koshius is deciding to protect him. Like i understand his point about "Do not lynch Vobby! Do not be lazy" but at some point, he needs to go. I even suspecting a Mason team bewteen Vobby and Koshius. Mainly because it would amazing because of the nicknames i give them. But also because it explains why Vobby is mindlessly sheeping Koshius. Like last time he posted asking who to Sheep, it was EoD. And said nothing other then "who do i sheep master?". Idk what is Vobby's deal.

Also another reason why a Vobby and Koshius mason team could happen is because at the begaining of the day, koshius talks about blue roles. But this could come from town Koshius too.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 17 2015 23:29 GMT
#959
On December 18 2015 08:25 GiygaS wrote:
Real talk though is there something that gives push notifications on your phone whenever there's a new mafia post?


I am a radical person who decided a smart phone is useless to me and stuck to the flip phone. I am sure you can go to the setting for the app and make it notifies you. Or download something Mal Ware free that you can set up Notifications on. Best thing i could tell you.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 17 2015 23:37 GMT
#965
Damred have you read the KubRels vs Koshius and Shapanders case with refree guess star TS and Kush-lush-fush yet?
If not your way behind kiddo
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 17 2015 23:45 GMT
#967
On December 18 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 08:37 Shapelog wrote:
Damred have you read the KubRels vs Koshius and Shapanders case with refree guess star TS and Kush-lush-fush yet?
If not your way behind kiddo


Yes Rels looked like his town self.


Even his reaction? Other said he doesn't get that mad when stuff like that happens, idk personally though.
I would also ask Why, any particular reasoning? How did it make you feel blah blah blah. But you might cover all that in you conclusion once you dive. But then again TS or Koshius will prob. jump on you before then. So answer this part of the post at your own risk.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 17 2015 23:49 GMT
#968
In fact, take off the meta cap when you explain it. Do not use "this guy does this and this and I know when he is scum because...." Just go off of what you see in this game.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 17 2015 23:56 GMT
#971
And also factor in the fact he dodge the oblivs. elephant in the room question. Instead of defending himself against following the path of easy targets. He tries to defend with "I was reading town on LS at the time." Why isn't he ansewing the question if he is town?

I am just asking you to look at it thorough my eyes. As someone who never has played with him, and when making the case, never looking at his past games till after my big post on him.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 17 2015 23:56 GMT
#972
^ was writing this before you posted btw
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 00:20 GMT
#975
On December 18 2015 08:53 Damdred wrote:
Let me make it clear why I think Rels is town from that exchange specifically.

1) Mafia as a whole have a great sense of wanting to keep good apperances in thread. This comes from muddying pushing somewhat easy lunches avoiding hot topics. Most of this comes from not wanting to disturb waters and draw attention.

That being said, as scum Rels has a great tendency to play towards that regard. If you look at sotw 2 where Rels was scum you will see how Rels is involved in the thread but loves to get closer to highly regarded town players.he did this with rayn, he's clearly today at least not really interested in that.

2) As town Rels is sorta a rayn lite, he will bmp you again and again especially if he thinks you age wrong or scum reading him incorrectly.

3) he seems to not really being playing to survive but seems to be trying to find scum even if he does piggy back on others ideas. Which news flash isn't scum or town oriented.

Plus sick move analysis seems to suggest Rels is town meh.


1. So your saying "typically, mafia is more quiet then town and meh pushs easy targets." Ok, that makes sense. But how does that factor in. Can't Anyone decide not to follow the mafia's golden rule? How does that really make sense? just because 75% of people follow a logic makes the 25% all the more deadly. Idk, maybe it is because when i gotten mafia/scum in RL mafia games i play exactly the same.

And i know i said no meta. But if you want to look at this with meta in mind. Didn't 2 or 3 people say Rels plays almost Exactly the same with only minor differences? And doesn't the meta point you bring up contradicts the notation of if he is mafia, he would be quiet. How does one move up the totem pole for townies if he doesn't bring attention to himself?

2. Do not know who is Rayn lite, but anyways. This one is ok. But i see this one leaning more on NAI then mafia or town. Town would do it for what you said and mafia would make take little bites to try to get easy targets lynch

3. Contradicts with first statement about how mafia trying making the illusion about how they are contribution to the thread. by saying "he is finding scum reads" but saying "Mafia would make good appearances from time to time." heck his votes are pop in pop out kind of things. And piggying backing in not mafia right? Even if all his votes is almost at the perfect time when most of the town is sus. of the person he votes?

Still waiting for bomb ........
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 00:30 GMT
#981
On December 18 2015 09:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Why are you so sure koshi....
This is omgus but is koshi possible mafia? I really don't want to read his filter,


I admit i am a bit of sus. of Koshius right now, heck everytime i put him at the top of the town list i wonder why. But then again i was sus. of him while following Haunted mansion (ik ik, contraction because i do not want past games to be mention). Also, why would he be this over tunneling if he was mafia? Cockyness? Why bring that attention to your self. If mafia, and Kubrels flip town like you know he will, You would have one big ass target on you.

But honestly if Kubrels flips town, then the sus. will turn to me, Koshius and vobby, and TS for the most part.
Lets do the math if we can lynch 3 mafia and afford another mislynch.
+ Show Spoiler +

8 are town, 3 are mafia
Lynch: 7 are town 3 are mafia
Night kill
6 town 3 mafia.
lynch koshius prob. let say he flips mafia. 6 town 2 mafia
night kill
5 town 2 mafia
another mafia lynch: 5 town 1 mafia
night kill
4 town 1 mafia.
Then Last Lynch (which we have to find someone who could be third mafia since i am town. Vobby at this point)
Either win or lose

And we can afford it. So this flip/lynch can set up the game in my opinion.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 00:33 GMT
#983
On December 18 2015 09:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 09:24 LightningStrike wrote:
I would rather kill rels before Damdred honestly. I think you gone full paranoia mode Koshi lol.........

No. Damdred saved Kush for no town reason. Every and any town would pick between Kush or GB. Damdred picked Vivax.

There is no way.


And then Kush and Damdred are inventing these ridiculous reasons why Rels is town.... It's insane.

There is no way there is not 2 mafia in Kush/Damdred/Rels.



THERE IS ALWAYS 2 mafia in there. ALWAYS.


Then lets go after Kubrel since he is being defend and lets go from there. Do not be dumb here Koshius, Rels is the big target. Other are just who fits with him.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 00:35 GMT
#988
Look Kushius,

Rels fit into both reasons you think there is mafia action bewteen Damdred, Kush-lush-fush, and Kubrels.

Therefore, his lynch is better in this case.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 00:36 GMT
#989
I like to point out at this point that it's been a while since we heard from Surkitengo.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 00:39 GMT
#991
On December 18 2015 09:33 Damdred wrote:
I'd be willing to lynch Damdred first I really don't care


Tbh if Kubrels flips mafia. You would be last on the lynch list for me (been like that). Kush-Lush-Fush is more sus. in this than you. Heck, Surkitengo is more sus. in you in this case tbh. But i can also see why you can be mafia as well.

Also Koshius, if everyone who defends Damdred is mafia, then i am mafia lol.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 00:42 GMT
#993
On December 18 2015 09:38 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 09:32 kushm4sta wrote:
Nvm koshis town.
But koshi bro this shit happens every game and you are always wrong. Can I learn from your mistake and be less pigheaded?

There is no fucking way Shape is mafia.
There is no fucking way mafia!TT decided to be so active before the lynch and then made that ritoky is mafia case right before they shot ritoky.

There is no way GaygiS Khan is mafia.
There is a very very small way LS is mafia. But I seriously doubt it. I just haven't read his filter. But I don't believe it for a sec he is mafia.
Tubesock doesn't feel mafia.
I don't know what Vivax is doing. Pretty disgusted by it.


So who the fuck is left? Nobody.

Damdred is mafia. Taht is so fucking 10000000% certain.
Onegu probably is. Taht case on me was too terrible. And like I said. He didn't do anything real during his "new meta playing the game thingie"
Rels might be.
Kush might be.


I agree with these. Not so sure about GiygaS Khan, would flip it with LS. Tubesock, is really the main person who commented on this right? So it would be a dumb mafia move for him. and Vobby....well is taking his time. Honestly should be in mafia bin but hey, who cares.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 00:43 GMT
#994
Also TT made the case/theory way before lynching time and night. So added points, might be buddying him though.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 01:10 GMT
#1014
@ Kush-Lush-Funk and i agree with his his point about meta.

@TS, I agree, i can see where Koshius is coming from, But vote is for Rels over Damdred. Heck, I love how Koshius said there is no edinvce, they just are.

At least he isn't tunneling Kubrels...... Signs*

And Surkitengo does need to be looked at. Been quiet compare to yesterday. (might be busy)

I think Vobby is the worst prime lynch as well. Worst possible lynch now. Only in case something big happens like KubRels forgets to vote.

@Koshius
Dude, No where, in a million years, would i think Damdred over Rels is a good idea.
Like what was the point if you push Kubrels and then decided to Push Damdred? I feel like your pushing them just because one is one. Put down the tinfoil (for now, wait to put it back on after lynch on Rel)

Remember what you said to Surkitengo? Do what you said.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 01:11 GMT
#1015
*one is on sorry, fucked up one then fucked up on lol
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 01:26 GMT
#1020
On December 18 2015 10:17 GiygaS wrote:
agree with Dam here. If he was mafia and kush is town there's really no reason for him to swap. He had already made a vote, the spotlight would have been off him. That last minute swap means nothing if kush turns out town. That said, I'd prefer we don't lynch kush purely for this, he's been much better since yesterday at sticking around and making reads.


I back this up. Considering that was the fact i been saying why Damdred cannot be mafia since like EoD ._.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 18 2015 01:29 GMT
#1021
On December 18 2015 10:24 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 10:13 Damdred wrote:
Last post you can ignore me later koshi, what's mafia motivation to try to switch last minute from two towns and draw attention to themselves?

As a townie you would have wanted to make the right choice between kush and gb. There was a 0% cha ce Vivax would happen. You would have wanted to vote "right" as a townie. But instead you wasted your vote.

I do not give a single fuck why you would do it as mafia. Only mafia would do it. You did not have a good enough townread on both gb and kush at that moment that you didnt want to make the best choice between them to go forward in solving the game. It was important for towns progression to lynch between gb and kush.


Ahhh why am I explaining this to mafia... They dont get it.



But i have also been saying this could be a possibility since EoD/beginning of this day. I think honestly the other theory is better personally through.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
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