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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 22:13 GMT
#594
On December 16 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote:
You always nit pick me you were afk last game we were in.

Your case is bs though

Can you do a list post please ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 22:18 GMT
#599
On December 16 2015 07:14 Damdred wrote:
Hrm

I'll have to look st context tommorow then see what happened.

I can't lead a lynch this far behind in an hour. So I see people want me, GB or kush correct

1 - can you do a list post with you reads please ?
2 - you shouldn't need the context to defend yourself from my case. So please do it.
3 - you said I had bullshit reasons here:
[QUOTE]On December 16 2015 07:05 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 16 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:
He's buddying obvious town when usually he would be nit picking everyone and super paranoid of *obvious town*.

he's also trying to use more bullshit reasons and instead of trying to push what he thinks he is taking the path of least resistance.

ie instead of pushing me jumped on kush.

idk if kush is scum granted but its suspicious of rels.[/QUOTE]
please quote and explain.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 22:20 GMT
#601
On December 16 2015 07:19 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:
He's buddying obvious town when usually he would be nit picking everyone and super paranoid of *obvious town*.

he's also trying to use more bullshit reasons and instead of trying to push what he thinks he is taking the path of least resistance.

ie instead of pushing me jumped on kush.

idk if kush is scum granted but its suspicious of rels.


Humm this is actually a decent point.

Game is going fast enough that I'm barely keeping up but I'll take the time to look over Rels in just a min.

How is it scum indicative when I thought deadline was in 10 minutes and nobody wanted to vote Damdred ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 22:31 GMT
#614
On December 16 2015 07:29 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 22:58 Rels wrote:
sukrit seems to be Onegu ??
From this profile, he has a post in Carnaval that suggests he's an Onegu smurf:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485712-carnaval-do-brasil-mafia?page=46#917
On May 24 2015 13:29 Sukrit wrote:
+1

On May 24 2015 13:30 Onegu wrote:
+1

But his posting style doesn't match up at aaaaaall.


Lol for as bad a post this seemed like at the time it's amazing Rels hit the nail right on the head here.

(=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 15 2015 22:32 GMT
#615
Alright falling asleep, good night all.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 09:00 GMT
#710
Alright before anything else happen:

If you're the vig reading this, you need to shoot kush. We need to know if the lynch was between two townies or was town / scum.
In the first case, the people not interested in the lynch have a high chance of having at least one scum in them, and the people invested in the lynch are probably town.
In the second case, the people being "well I'm OK with both" (distancing) but voting or pushing GB are probably scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 09:03 GMT
#711
Damdred will you answer my fucking questions pretty please ??? You cannot come in thread, say stuff, then REFUSE to explain them.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 09:13 GMT
#712
WTF there is no vig.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 09:28 GMT
#713
On December 16 2015 08:16 Damdred wrote:
Oooo damdred gets all the balme come at me I'll fucking eat you up and bm you until day phase where hopefully a big shoots me.

come fucking at me

rsoultin read says that it cannot be scum Damdred.
So Damdred, stop being obnoxious and start playing the game pretty please.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 09:37 GMT
#714
OK there is a kinda vig with the present mechanic.
If you received 1 shot from opening a present, please do that:
On December 16 2015 18:00 Rels wrote:
Alright before anything else happen:

If you're the vig reading this, you need to shoot kush. We need to know if the lynch was between two townies or was town / scum.
In the first case, the people not interested in the lynch have a high chance of having at least one scum in them, and the people invested in the lynch are probably town.
In the second case, the people being "well I'm OK with both" (distancing) but voting or pushing GB are probably scum.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 15:09 GMT
#724
This TS case on me means he's probably scum. He listed a bunch of reasons that don't make me scum; two of which are so obviously NAI that if he had thought about them for 10 seconds he wouldn't have writtent them; and the first reason doesn't make sense.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does.

You semi townread LS for the exact reason I do. But for some reason it makes me scum because "town Rels doesn't back off fights". Well, I don't often back down fights as either alignements, as you should know since apparently you read one of my scum game.
So I have two problems with town!you believing the above:
- Scumreading me for townreading LS based on a caps post; but at the same time half townreading LS for said post
- Saying me backing off fights is my scum meta when you say you've read a scum game of mine
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games.

Are you insinuating I'm scum with Onegu ? 'cause that is the only way I could had "cheated" on that; if I was scum and he was town, I wouldn't have an easier way to find the info than if I was town.
If the answer is YES; it's inconsistent with your Onegu townread, so I won't consider it.
If the answer is NO; as proved above, this is not alignement indicative. So you wrote something that look good but has no impact of my alignement in a series a reason as to why I am scum.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one).

What are you talking about, and why is this not in the LS explanation ?
On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's.

1 - even if it was true, so ?
2 - you coincidentally forgets that I was OK lynching TT until he looked better at EOD.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately.

I've said what I thought. You agree with the facts as seen by your part on Damdred, you kinda disagree with the conclusion. I don't see how I can be opportunistic when you don't find Damdred town; please show me where I'm opportunistic BTW.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read.

If both GB and kush are town, scum are more likely to not care about the lynch. Me pushing more for kush doesn't make me town, but it clearly doesn't make me scum either.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy.

Yep. I can be mafia and I can not be. So that is another NAI point in your case, that you say is NAI.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:13 GMT
#750
On December 17 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote:
Let's be honest here I am neither invested currently in the game and I'm not as interested in becoming so after the couple of days I've had.

However I will put some form of concerted effort forward to uphold my reputation. And to the person who say damdred is always scum if he's alive after d4 I hate to tell you this I don't have a very good record of being shot for some reason.

Also calling my try to shenanigan away from the current lymch brain dead is incorrect. I have been in plenty of moves that take less time than 4 minutes sometimes 50 seconds is all you need especially with a full game.

However rels what question am I missing or have missed?

Vivax is obvious scum at this point or at least should be ashwd of himaelf if town.

Can you go back to your post saying I had bullshit reasons and point out what are they ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:19 GMT
#751
On December 17 2015 05:07 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:09 Rels wrote:
This TS case on me means he's probably scum. He listed a bunch of reasons that don't make me scum; two of which are so obviously NAI that if he had thought about them for 10 seconds he wouldn't have writtent them; and the first reason doesn't make sense.
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does.

You semi townread LS for the exact reason I do. But for some reason it makes me scum because "town Rels doesn't back off fights". Well, I don't often back down fights as either alignements, as you should know since apparently you read one of my scum game.
So I have two problems with town!you believing the above:
- Scumreading me for townreading LS based on a caps post; but at the same time half townreading LS for said post
- Saying me backing off fights is my scum meta when you say you've read a scum game of mine
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games.

Are you insinuating I'm scum with Onegu ? 'cause that is the only way I could had "cheated" on that; if I was scum and he was town, I wouldn't have an easier way to find the info than if I was town.
If the answer is YES; it's inconsistent with your Onegu townread, so I won't consider it.
If the answer is NO; as proved above, this is not alignement indicative. So you wrote something that look good but has no impact of my alignement in a series a reason as to why I am scum.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one).

What are you talking about, and why is this not in the LS explanation ?
On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's.

1 - even if it was true, so ?
2 - you coincidentally forgets that I was OK lynching TT until he looked better at EOD.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately.

I've said what I thought. You agree with the facts as seen by your part on Damdred, you kinda disagree with the conclusion. I don't see how I can be opportunistic when you don't find Damdred town; please show me where I'm opportunistic BTW.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read.

If both GB and kush are town, scum are more likely to not care about the lynch. Me pushing more for kush doesn't make me town, but it clearly doesn't make me scum either.
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy.

Yep. I can be mafia and I can not be. So that is another NAI point in your case, that you say is NAI.


The caps lock reasons are pure teasing you. What you are saying is that I am also solely TRing Koshi because he had 1 post near EOD that was all caps lock. That's silly. I am most definitely NOT TRing LS because he had half a post that was caps. But I did want to check it. First I saw he didn't use it as scum but then I wondered if he did as town. So, I checked that too. I still think it's a silly reason so I made fun of you for it. For the record I TR LS for his comfortable tone and he has a bigger filter than I think mafiaLS would. I may have stated before but for LS I don't pay too much attention until D2.5/3 because then he is OBVIOUS. His caps lock statement was NAI. Even though he hasn't done it in his 4 scum games, I think he's entirely capable of it. So it's NAI, but apparently for you it overcomes a SHOCKING difference.

The time it took me to do the above made me think how long it would have taken me to find out Sukrit's identity. I'm more curious to hear how you did it. It would take me days so there must be a trick. But the point is you spent time on smurf hunting rather than solving the game while you are not being active. When I have lots of time to solve the game then smurf hunting is fine, but you haven't been that active so you are wasting that limited resource on smurf hunting? Really? At least it wasn't blue hunting so there's that but still.

yeah, you were OK with lynching TT. TT who had heat on him from several of the town leaders. Way to stick your neck out and make a bold read. I don't think townRels backs down from any fight. I think mafiaRels may or may not back down. Your targets were LS, GiygaS, me, TicTock, and lackluster Damdred. Damdred is the only one in that list that wouldn't qualify as an easy target and that's purely based on reputation. Then you vote completely null Kush. you didn't want to put in the work for getting one of your targets lynched. You took the easy way. I think townRels would have done more.

I don't think you cared about the lynch. I'll concede it's possible confirmation bias but the tone I read in your 3-4 posts "hey guys GB might be bad lynch" is just acting. I don't think you cared at all. Now the important information we need to use this indifference is both GB's and Kush's alignment. If Kush is mafia then your indifference makes you town as mafiaRels would care and probably wouldn't be voting teammate Kush. BUT if Kush is town then indifference could be either and with everything else I think this piece sums you mafia. But we dont' know Kush's alignment yet.

I can't believe you're accusing me of being "indifferent" to the lynch when I tried to get Damdred lynched, then when it wasn't done, gave my opinion on my preferred lynch with reasonning. Especially since you weren't even present to discuss anything; and even more especially since in the ONLY game we've played together, I was even more unsure about the lynch that was between you Chez and ruxxar.
So bro, if kush is not scum, you are the one that (1) didn't care about the lynch between two townies, to the point of not being there and (2) already finding suspects based on it.

About my magic find, it took me 20 seconds:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Sukrit&gb=date
Voilà.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 22:16 GMT
#759
I planned to do a big list post but I have no motivation right now. See you tomorrow.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 17 2015 09:01 GMT
#846
Wow this is a big post on me.

You have a lot of narratives and wrong things in your post Shape. Narratives don't make someone scum, and with them you see things wrong. Like for example this post:
On December 15 2015 18:54 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 18:44 Koshi wrote:
On December 15 2015 18:31 Rels wrote:
On December 15 2015 18:23 Koshi wrote:
It's not a lie. It's him thinking you are mafia and seeing things a bit biased and exaggerate a little bit. Also add the content LS gave that was answering to your questions because GaygiS Khan would use those posts as well to type that sentence. All that combined it it not a lie just representing his case a-on you a tiny bit better than it should be.


You should have read what I said about Onegu last game to get him lynched. Same shit. 15 times as worse btw.


Possible townie behavior from Gaygis Khan, but certain not a 100% mafia alignment "lie". Try again.

1 - that's definitely a lie. He didn't say "I feel LS isn't scum and is attacked for nothing, he said "In these 9 hours, LS is pretty on top of things, his content isn't isolated to this list that was requested, and they're pretty relevant to the game. ", which prove he didn't check his accusation; when it's the phase he's apparently "going through filters" and shit.

2 - he's relying on others to make this accusation. In his post he mentionned you:
On December 15 2015 15:35 GiygaS wrote:
Like in addition to the things Koshi already said about him, his question seemed to go towards this weird meta-lynch on LS.

And despite accusing me, he didn't vote before TS did:
On December 15 2015 15:45 Tubesock wrote:
I didn't notice the time change. I think LightningStrike kinda falls into the Chezinu Rule (weird posters get attacked by mafia since they are so easy to lynch). I really didn't like how he came in scummed LS and bailed. Koshi has good points on him too. Plus, maybe he will spew townbows.

##Vote: Rels

On December 15 2015 16:08 GiygaS wrote:
##Vote Rels

Pretty comfortable with this now after looking at filters. Heading to bed now

3 - he said he was going through filters; he had only "null or town reads" before; and after doing it he has only 1 easy scumread and gtfo of the thread.

1) If he said that LS was town and therefore you scum that would actually be scummy. Preflip association etc. But what he said was just something a townie could perceive. I am not saying LS is "on top of things" but LS is playing the game. I can see GaygiS Khan thinking that it is totally unwarranted that you made some shitty meta case representing LS his just finished town game was super fucking amazing and in this game it is utter shit.

Because Rels, THAT WAS THE FUCKING LIE, You representing LS his previous game as something fucking rainbow brilliancy, and then using that game to say this game was shit and therefore he is mafia.

THAT WAS 100 TIMES worse than what Gaygis Khan did.


Or show me rels. Show me how LS his D1 on haunted mafia was SO MUCH BETTER than here. You know, the game in which he had 6 votes midday 1 and the next guy had 2 or something.
I skimmed his filter yesterday. Nothing better than here. Not at all.

And then LS capslock some stuff and he is clear town? And you are Quoting Damdred to push this brilliant LS town read some more?


I am very skeptical.

LOL you motherfucker you didn't even read the filters I linked. Here are the first page of LS in dark tournament:
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I had just got home and read and Tfrel tried to snipe me when I was gone even though in the pregame I EVEN TOLD EVERYONE I WAS GOING TO BE GONE TILL NOW -_-
Here the quote for proof:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
oh another pre game excuse: I wont be here until like 4 hours after game start due to college class into going out to eat with my parents :o

Anyways Tfrel seems like a scumlean for now for trying to snipe me and tried to case Damdred when Damdred caught tfrel on the fact that I told everyone I wasn't going to be here till now.
Palmar seems town for now he actually being serious although I don't think Shining is really scum yet but he fooled me till later in my last game when he was scum.
I also liking Damdred this game for his responses and actually trying to hunt scum.
I need more time on MD because his play style is so weird my experience playing with him and hosting/cohosting games involving him.
DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game.
@kush: If you are here what you think of Shining vs Palmar?
@Palmar: Okay if Shining is town then who is mafia and why?
Also some Christmas pictures for Palmar because I know he's a huge sucker for Christmas:
[image loading]

On December 01 2015 12:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways Boxer don't claim unless you getting lynched please it's a dumb idea to claim blue unless you getting lynched.

On December 01 2015 12:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Shining since you had cooled off what you got out of your fight with Palmar?

On December 01 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?

I was just trying to see if your thoughts had changed since you cooled off. Anyways I think Palmar is town he did this very similarly how he did when I first played with him in Metal Mini when I was town vs his town. Damdred is town like I said earlier I liked his responses since it's a Damdred thought. James is null atm because he went straight to bed afterwards.
Also Hi Damdred how are you?

On December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
rolf you kinda ninja'd me there Shining. Fair enough.

On December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?

I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself.

So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read?

I think that post was towards me not you lol.....

On December 01 2015 12:54 LightningStrike wrote:
He prob asleep atm MD so except him to be around tomorrow morning lol.

On December 01 2015 12:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2015 12:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?

I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself.

So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read?

I think that post was towards me not you lol.....

it was for Shining xd i'm just ninja'ing him so much

I was referring to original post you quoted lol.

On December 01 2015 13:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?

I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself.

So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read?

I think that post was towards me not you lol.....


Yes it was towards md but your answer so quick and natural earns you a town point

Well ops I thought it was towards me because I had asked you a question like a few posts before lol.

On December 01 2015 13:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Well going to bed now as my mom is taking me to school tomorrow morning but I will be on my laptop waiting for class and bring my charger incase battery runs low but when I wake up tomorrow morning I will try and catch up!

On December 01 2015 20:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi I just woke up and I am feeling tired still because I obviously only got like 7 hours of sleep so if I sound tired based on my posts that's why but some people had some comments/questions towards me:
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On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike:
On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote:
DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game.
Specifically, what comments did he make that were relevant to the game, and why do they make him town?

Damdred: (and PLEASE, no one else answer this, don't be stupid...):
I'm sorry, I know you don't want to talk about this, but it's driving me insane.
Hypothetical scenario 1: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Joe for not having posted.
Hypothetical scenario 2: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Bob for not having posted. Bob said before the game that he would not be present for the first few hours of the game.

What difference do you see between these two scenarios?



Palmar seems like obvious town. There's one thing I hope to check eventually, though.

I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time.

I still think that Damdred is mafia, but I remembered that the past several times I've played with Damdred (both town) I've always thought he was mafia I'm guessing that I have some preconceived notions for what I expect Damdred to do, and whenever he doesn't behave exactly as I would expect him to, I think he's mafia. And it seems to be very hard for me to separate this from mafia motivations...

Did anyone else find Damdred's townread of The Shining a bit off? Palmar commented on why the third point is invalid, which I completely agree with.

He wasn't really afraid to post his thoughts on the stuff when he was around and I know it's limited content but still when he was around he did try to be involved a little bit. I might be a huge sucker for people.
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On December 01 2015 18:42 Fidei86 wrote:
Morning folks.

So I have two competing thoughts about Shining. The first is that I entirely agree with Palmar about why Shining's play makes no sense. I'd also add that it's even more strange that his 'read' on me seemed almost entirely OMGUS, but then as soon as HTS made a point against me in her thread entry, he adopted it and parroted it as the new reason he didn't like me. The second is that he and Palmar seem very invested in this fight - much more so than seems warranted by the early stage of the game. They have been back and forth, what, five or six times now? Almost to the exclusion of everyone else. The 'better' play as town is plainly to apologise for bad thread entry (which Shining did, admittedly, do) and then to turn attention elsewhere (which neither Palmar or Shining have done). The only thing I have to say in Shining's defence is that his rebuttal's read very heartfelt. That can be something that is hard to replicate as mafia, and it's giving me pause here. I would say Shining is a very slight scum read for me, but I wouldn't vote for him as yet.

Also - morning Rels. Re my read on you - I've watched you play enough games as mafia now to think I have a reasonable handle on your meta. Yes, you are totally capable of breaking your meta, but your "I give no fucks" tone and posting content is town Rels to me.

Lightning Strike's entrance seems way over the top to me, especially for him. Usually he comes in and posts some relatively anodyne 1-liners, whereas here he came in with a big long paragraph attacking someone (Trfel I think) for calling him out earlier. In my experience, town LS is much more relaxed and jokey, until he starts getting attacked seriously (which I don't think had happened by that point). Then again, LS is primo lynch-bait D1, so I'll try and avoid getting too tunnelled for now.

My one heretical thought at the moment is that Dani might be mafia. I know, I know. It's more of a hunch than a real read, but I'm just not feeling it from her posts so far. Town Dani that I've known usually goes in one direction, then another, and she has an almost relentless quality. Too many of her posts last night were backtracking on things she had already said, and it's not clear she reached anything much of a landing point. It could be because it's early and because she's tired though.

Moosy is posting the same kind of rubbish that he posted in our first Newbie game together. In that game he was new and was inadvertently trying some sort of Chezinu--style baits. Which, in fairness, worked. Then when he was mafia and I was town, he was super super serious all game. Obviously if he doesn't contribute further then at some point we will have to lynch him for being useless / lynch all lurkers, but for now I give him a slight town read.

I had posted paragraphs as town before when I wasn't there at the start of the day for a entry post(see slytherin) but about attacking Trfel: it seemed like he wants to try and find a reason to scum read me even though I had said in the pregame that I wouldn't be around till like 4 hours after start of the game. Just a little bit frustrated from that and I glad Damdred called him out on it too.

On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me.

On December 02 2015 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote:
Onegu VT claim.

Be back later

Hi can you comment on anything please?

On December 02 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 02 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:
On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me.

Any idea on what could be scum ?

I told you earlier that I think Tfrel is scum mainly his stuff about me.....


Number of game-related posts: 8/14

Here are all the posts of LS this game until I asked him for a list post:
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On December 14 2015 08:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys! Let's lynch some scum and here how we should do it:
Step 1: Find the scum through interactions
Step 2: Lynch the scum
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: Profit.
Any questions or comments?

On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia?

On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 08:06 Koshi wrote:
##Vote Lightningstrike

brilliant. I actually said the same thing 2 games ago.

Really? I only been back recently and not really obsed the games so(shrugs)

On December 14 2015 08:15 LightningStrike wrote:
BTW the step thing is part of a meme if you guys don't know

On December 14 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Sukrit is a smurf obviously lol....

On December 14 2015 08:29 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia?


My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me.

Good. Now can you tell me who else is mafia with you?

On December 14 2015 08:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred is pulling a Palmar on me I had to have a little fun with Damdred there

On December 14 2015 08:40 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:29 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

Miller's aren't aware......... Are you mafia?


My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me.

Good. Now can you tell me who else is mafia with you?


You obviously!

Though shape is a good chance at town

Damn you sold me out We have to have Shape take all the town cred as possible :o

On December 14 2015 08:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Kosh is so anti fun

On December 14 2015 10:37 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Let me tell you why you are totally wrong in how you are approaching koshi.

1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta.

In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks.

2) you say my post is terrible because you read koshi on his d1. Though you correct yourself by saying I said 24 hours.

In actuality I a aid we shouldn't bother koshi so that we can see what he comes up with. Since you know he said he would focus on cases and finding scum instead of spamming the thread.

....like I said give koshi space and some time see what he comes up with.

I agree with this for now.

On December 14 2015 11:20 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 11:13 Sukrit wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 09:51 Sukrit wrote:
On December 14 2015 09:48 Damdred wrote:
It's honestly be the most helpful to everyone if you basically ignored koshi for the first 24 and see what kind of smart things he says and then make a decision going into,the lynch. If you keep badgering him about low posting you will just have a horrendous amount of non information.

Tt I think ls is town should I get my head checked?




Man I am finding everything terrible. Koshi is best read by his day one. Like this post is also terrible.


Koshi, Damdred scum team.


You

I like you, FF


I am so much cooler than that shit eater.

You sound like JAT or HF that is pissed lol.

On December 14 2015 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 11:25 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:23 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:11 Sukrit wrote:
On December 14 2015 10:50 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Let me tell you why you are totally wrong in how you are approaching koshi.

1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta.

In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks.

2) you say my post is terrible because you read koshi on his d1. Though you correct yourself by saying I said 24 hours.

In actuality I a aid we shouldn't bother koshi so that we can see what he comes up with. Since you know he said he would focus on cases and finding scum instead of spamming the thread.

....like I said give koshi space and some time see what he comes up with.


Alright lets let the beast sleep at least for today. However, if nothing comes out of it I kinda have to lean scum onto him. I honestly have nothing on him other his meta and that is just off of what I saw/gather from other people and Haunted Mason.

I kinda getting a scummy feel from Sukrit. Although it is early, I was just going through his filter. 4/5 of his game posts is him/her accusing people without any info. I mean these aren't even really leans as it is just "Hey this doesn't fit that guys meta, lynch the witch!" kinda post. All I see is him/she trying to make it look like they are reading people so they can earn town cred and such.


This post is complete shit. I dont expect this from town koshi. Koshi is lazy as scum. This excuse this early is really bad.



Man I am finding everything terrible. Koshi is best read by his day one. Like this post is also terrible.


Koshi, Damdred scum team.


I mean his/her posts follow zero logic what so ever. Their only reasoning is "this post is shit" but don't explain why other then meta? Seems Scummy too me.



What is wrong with meta I may or may not have played multiple games with koshi. Prove that my meta read is wrong then you can talk. And then I will prove that you are wrong.


I wonder if you have a brother who for a nickel with buy me a drink.

I wasn't saying it was wrong, nor was I saying you were right. I just was saying that if you could provide more information other then meta then I can believe you more. You were just saying "This is shit based off meta" which while is ok. Doesn't convince me that he couldn't go against his meta for a game. And the timing I will admit is a bit weird, it really NAI. Who knows maybe he's tired. Honestly, he hasn't posted much and it's still early in the game. I would be concern if he said "I finding detail reads on my scum leads" and a hour before deadline didn't post any reads. Time will tell with Koshi.

I would laugh if Koshi flips Mafia. Maybe then our scums team would combine too LS/Damdred/Koshi possibly at the point?


Sorry, why are you thinking about teams right now?

Ya it's a little to early to talk about teams when no one flipped imo.

On December 14 2015 11:53 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 11:42 Sukrit wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Koshi

HolyShit. Look at this filter on page one. Anything look familiar?

Were you in that game in any type of form? That game was kinda funny.
10/10 would tell people to shoot JAT again

On December 14 2015 11:56 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 11:53 Sukrit wrote:
Maybe^

Do you know who the town puppy was?

On December 14 2015 12:00 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 11:57 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:44 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:41 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:31 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:25 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:23 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 11:11 Sukrit wrote:
On December 14 2015 10:50 Shapelog wrote:
[quote]

Alright lets let the beast sleep at least for today. However, if nothing comes out of it I kinda have to lean scum onto him. I honestly have nothing on him other his meta and that is just off of what I saw/gather from other people and Haunted Mason.

I kinda getting a scummy feel from Sukrit. Although it is early, I was just going through his filter. 4/5 of his game posts is him/her accusing people without any info. I mean these aren't even really leans as it is just "Hey this doesn't fit that guys meta, lynch the witch!" kinda post. All I see is him/she trying to make it look like they are reading people so they can earn town cred and such.

[quote]

[quote]

I mean his/her posts follow zero logic what so ever. Their only reasoning is "this post is shit" but don't explain why other then meta? Seems Scummy too me.



What is wrong with meta I may or may not have played multiple games with koshi. Prove that my meta read is wrong then you can talk. And then I will prove that you are wrong.


I wonder if you have a brother who for a nickel with buy me a drink.

I wasn't saying it was wrong, nor was I saying you were right. I just was saying that if you could provide more information other then meta then I can believe you more. You were just saying "This is shit based off meta" which while is ok. Doesn't convince me that he couldn't go against his meta for a game. And the timing I will admit is a bit weird, it really NAI. Who knows maybe he's tired. Honestly, he hasn't posted much and it's still early in the game. I would be concern if he said "I finding detail reads on my scum leads" and a hour before deadline didn't post any reads. Time will tell with Koshi.

I would laugh if Koshi flips Mafia. Maybe then our scums team would combine too LS/Damdred/Koshi possibly at the point?


Sorry, why are you thinking about teams right now?


I suggest early that LS/damred/??? could be a team (even though it was far fetch even for me, see #76). That why I would laugh if me and him predicted mafia D1 and just thought it was too far fetch XD. While it's a possibility, I doubt it.

Also thank you for your earlier post btw.


Oh so you're joking about it, then?


Half that and Half I think i throw it out there for later so i won't forget. I tend to overthink things so even if i overthink, i post it and i look back at it and decide if it was garage or worth something.

If i was going accuse this person and this person are mafia, then i would make sure I had more info than a hunch to go off of.


Fair enough.

Let's talk about them, separately

Can you please explain everything you think against them?


Eh most of it is void now but in the moment I thought their conversation was a bit off,

Individually:
Damred: thought was weird to claim miler for obivs reasons.
LS: his reaction to Damred kinda felt planned in my head. Sounded and was timed almost like it was planned

So I thought "hey if i was mafia i could make it sound like a townie v townie and we can get off to a good start." Which now that i retype it and had time to think about it. Doesn't make that much sense until the follow up comments. But honestly seems really overthought.

They said they pulled a palmar on me..... still have no clue what that is

Hi bats. Palmar in XXX said someone wasn't in his naughty list and I asked him if he claimed scum and he said Whoops lol.

On December 14 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Ops for a second there when I quoting I thought you were bats Shape lol. Anyways Sukrit what you mean Mafia Claim^?

On December 14 2015 12:24 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 12:19 Sukrit wrote:
I am Palmar and claiming mafia...

Damn bro to easy man. + Show Spoiler +
I know you joking

Do you like Christmas?

On December 14 2015 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay you're not Palmar lol.(Had to look what Kwanza is because I never heard of it before)

On December 14 2015 12:27 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 12:25 Shapelog wrote:
On December 14 2015 12:19 Sukrit wrote:
I am Palmar and claiming mafia...


Hey he's MIA... can't i capture it and get a reward? Turn him in for deserting the Royal Forums Army?

No need to man. I will just get Marv to get him lol.

On December 14 2015 12:28 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 12:27 Shapelog wrote:
You never heard of Kwanza? like really?

I am sadden by this.

I never heard of it honestly lol. Prob because my friends and family never did Kwanza at least as far as I know.

On December 14 2015 12:35 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 12:32 Sukrit wrote:
On December 14 2015 12:31 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2015 12:24 Sukrit wrote:
Kwanza


Seven days of holidays???

I think I have a new religion!



But Hanukkah has 8 crazy nights!

But his liver might not handle it :o
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I honestly don't know how much he drinks lol.

On December 14 2015 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 14 2015 22:44 Koshi wrote:
Decent amount of posts about Koshi. Was I mafia in Horn of Africa? I don't think so. I can't read filters here.
Anyway.
Voting Kush cuz he won't be off any use it seems.

##unvote
##vote: Kushmasta

You were mafia there and shot by Breshke the hero Vig



Number of game-related posts: 2/22

You thought I was scumreading LS here, when I said I was townreading soon after, so that was a weird change of read. Well that is false; when I made this post I was already townreading LS, and I was replying to this Koshi post:
On December 15 2015 18:44 Koshi wrote:
Or show me rels. Show me how LS his D1 on haunted mafia was SO MUCH BETTER than here. You know, the game in which he had 6 votes midday 1 and the next guy had 2 or something.

I know, I know how the fuck could you have guessed that ? Maybe the fact that I directly replied to it is a SMALL CLUE ABOUT IT.
Another example, this:
On December 15 2015 18:59 Rels wrote:
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On December 15 2015 18:52 Koshi wrote:
1) Say Gaygis Khan is mafia for quoting and using other people their suspicion to push a read.
2) Quote Damdred and question why ritoky is not taking Damdred his tone read as it came from God himself.
3) ???
4) Hypocrisy everywhere

Damdred has a god read on LS from my experience. Do you think they're scum together ? Or do you think Damdred doesn't have a god read ? Please say it 'cause I don't understand you there.

The only thing I'm saying here is that LS is town. That's all. If Damdred is scum, he wouldn't say his partner is town lik ethat; if Damdred is town, he has a god read on LS.

Your post is mostly stuff like that, stuff getting either misread or misunderstood because you stack everything into a narrative that could make anyone scum. The only things there is against me is that I'm kinda indifferent and I'm not doing much. These are acceptable points.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 17 2015 09:06 GMT
#847
I'm working a ton this morning but I want to discuss stuff to get back to the game. Anyone there, come talk to me.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 17 2015 09:22 GMT
#848
IS THERE NO EURO IN THIS GAME
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 17 2015 09:22 GMT
#849
Where the fuck are you koshi
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 17 2015 09:35 GMT
#851
On December 17 2015 18:31 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Rels


Die in a fire. Damdred is mafia with you. But you are way likelier to be mafia. I should read this Damdred pressure on you btw. I missed it. I also missed you calling him mafia like the little omgusucker that you are.

What the fuck are you talking about ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 17 2015 09:40 GMT
#853
Shut up. You've just said I OMGUS Damdred, so you better back up that statement right now.
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