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On December 01 2015 09:08 The Shining wrote: I just need one more person and I have my scum team  This post seals the deal. Everyone get on him | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:11 Damdred wrote: Go on and give your scum team shining or who you have so far. He's just talking about the people who called him scum, thus there is no way he actually believes what he's saying, and therefore he must be mafia. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. I hadn't even read Fidei's post, I just came into the game, read the first page, then posted "Shining is 100% scum", turns out I mostly agree with Fidei, so free townread in the process! | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:17 The Shining wrote: Literally 4 posts at the time of mine but I'm expected to come up with some magic reads other than talking about what was actually posted? That's just trying to discredit me for BS and I know my alignment so what may look good to you, Palmar, is absolutely trash to me. And what looks good about the rest of that post? It's a long post and the only thing I got from it is I'm scum, DYH questioning Rels is towny, but Rels is also towny off of some metaread, and everyone else is null. It's an unneccessarily long and hard to read post for minimal reads when his first paragraph asks for no spam, presumably to make the game easier to read. Counter-intuitive. You gonna play hardball? Okay, we can play hardball. I read the first page, and your posts stood out like a sore thumb. It was very, very obvious you had no intention of actually moving discussion along. You posted for the sake of posting. I didn't expect you to come up with reads, I just expected you to say something that wasn't so clearly just to post. If you were actually genuinely interested in the youtube video thing you talked about you'd have said something more about it. I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:21 The Shining wrote: Because there is no explanation for his read whatsoever. Fidei scumleans me so 3 minutes later, Palmar decides I'm 100% scum with no explanation. Well now you have the explanation so I'm 100% town right? | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:07 The Shining wrote: Ohaithere A Monday start. Why am I here? This post is sort of fine. It's not a good entrance as it's clearly not saying anything, and the Ohaithere feels forced although I'd have to crosscheck other games if Shining just talks like this or if the overly casual mixing of words is actually alignment indicative of him. But I would never call him mafia based on this post. The next post however: On December 01 2015 08:09 The Shining wrote: Why would you post it before listening to it? D= This is what lead me to say "he's 100% mafia". I may be exaggerating a bit, but still. The point is that disformation and Trfel are having what tonally to me feels like a perfectly casual conversation, and Shining decides to sort of... butt in... to the conversation. I don't really mind that if he actually cares, ie: he wants to take part in whatever it is they're talking about. But clearly he has no interest in it, he just butted in to do... nothing? This looks very alarming to me, because that post can easily be seen as made for no other reason than to write a post. Every other post in that page I can tell the motivation behind, but this one I can not. Then the third post, pages later, after fidei and I both called him out on the opening: On December 01 2015 09:08 The Shining wrote: I just need one more person and I have my scum team This is the weakest OMGUS in the universe. First of all, the smiley at the end there shows he doesn't really want to commit to this. The post can be taken both as a joke and serious at the time. Also, no one in the universe actually believes that two people calling someone possibly mafia within 3 minutes somehow makes them a mafia team. It's really, really dumb. I refuse to believe Shining believes what he's saying, so I am assuming it is some sort of a joke, but it doesn't matter, I'm of course gonna keep the pressure on. And here we go: On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. He actually doubles down on that retarded read (ie: both of us are mafia) and tries to legitimize it. It's terrible and it makes him mafia every time. I'm convinced. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:24 Damdred wrote: I thought you had played with palmar before? My bro! | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:32 The Shining wrote: No more like 70% and just really bad and cocky. I can understand where your scumread on me comes from, especially since I OMGUSd you but your defense of Fidei to me looks really suspect when you only share one scumlean on D1 and you shouldn't have any idea what his alignment is if you're town. I'm not fucking defending Fidei you moron, I'm just calling his post fine. In a normal game mafia players make hundreds of "fine" posts. No one is dumb enough to give himself away with every post. What I am doing is questioning your logic in suspecting Fidei, and trying to see if you could possibly believe what you're saying. So far I don't really see it. I've read Fidei's post 5 times now and I just don't understand how saying true shit about you makes him mafia. It's such a leap. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote: Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise. I only call people morons after telling them nicely why they're wrong. I'll show you: On December 01 2015 09:21 Palmar wrote: I didn't say it was particularly good, I said it was fine. He made some statements, threw out some reads and did it in a sort of casual manner. He didn't force out any opinions that he clearly doesn't have (like you're doing with him and me at the moment). It was just a fine opening post that gives no reason to call him mafia. Look how I explain that I'm not saying the post makes him town, just that your initial reason to call him mafia is faulty. And I wasn't trying to hide it, I said the same thing here: On December 01 2015 09:17 Palmar wrote: Fidei calling you out on something you actually did doesn't make him mafia. If you're town you should be considering, and possibly favoring, the option that he's just a townie with a wrong scumlean. Nothing he said was false. He literally took true information and made a lean on it. That's the most null thing you can do in mafia. And I think I called it fine even before that. Yet your response is: On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote: Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Which is simply something that is not happening. So yes, I get pissed off when you blatantly misrepresent my opinions and statements (which makes me want to hang you even more). I don't care that I've pissed you off. Don't lie to town though, talking to me is a great way to getting us somewhere, I am actually pretty reasonable and I take pride in my day 1 play, so if you actually do the thing where you don't look like mafia I'm not going to want to kill you. However at the moment you have such massive holes in your story that I can't ignore it. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:59 Damdred wrote: Well what do you think about this Palmar, Something that gives me pause on Trfel. he went through all that time to make that case on me and obviously was here (might of had to leave) but never cared enough to really push anyone talking at the time to comment on it? Don't really care for now. If you want to build a case, build a case. I want to hang the guy who: [list] [*] Posted a post that I can only explain as existing for the sake of posting [*] Making a terrible OMGUS, the doubling down trying to explain it [*] When explaining the OMGUS, calls fidei out for saying true things [*] Misrepresents my questioning of his logic and motives as a hard defense of fidei [*] Throws a fit when I pressure him just a little bit [/list I'll sleep on it and maybe reconsider, but I think I really wanna kill this guy. | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote: And I've already started doing that. Until Palmar gets me lynched, he is literally a non-entity in this game to me. All the ad hom and constant bickering is going to do is throw me on tilt, and I don't feel like getting warned for cursing him out. Please show me "all the ad hom". I think I've been entirely reasonable with you. I did get mad when you ignored 3 of my posts to misrepresent my position on fidei despite me explaining it nicely to you at first, and I'm sorry for that. But this suggests there have been multiple instances of me attacking you personally? | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:03 The Shining wrote: Telling me that I'm wrong for why I feel someone is scum that isn't you is a defense of that someone. You won't convince me otherwise. I also don't care that you don't care. See why I don't want to talk to you? Speaking of misrepresentations, you're sitting here saying I only scumread Fidei for scumming me for saying true stuff. You're ignoring me pointing out the mass null read he gave out and the reads between DYH and Rels, but not Damdred and Trfel who were arguably doing more before that post. But keep picking on me and saying it's just OMGUS. Do what you gotta do, bud. Not sure where that pride or cockiness comes from but if you're town and get me lynched, I hope it takes a huge blow. You only tacked those onto it later. You said it best yourself, here's your reason for scumreading Fidei: On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. This is the reason you initially gave for scumreading Fidei. I have ever since questioned the legitimacy of this logic, and you seem to even agree with by now: On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote: It was intended to be a joke until I actually read the rest of Fidei's post, and Palmar 100%'ing me right after the post. The joke was both of them being scum together and the third to scum me being a team. However, I was realistically suspicious that one of them was probably trying to take advantage of my admittedly useless entrance. So let's get the timeline clear: 1) Fidei posts you may be scum 2) I post you're 100% scum 3) you jokingly say we're scum together 4) you explain your scumreads on us, using stuff that by fidei that you now agree was true (still joking???) Like my logic tells me that between "jokingly" calling us scum and then actually fucking explaining your scumread, you would have read Fidei's post, that you wanted to call him scum for, yet all you came up with was the very thing I've been questioning. Your version of the events makes no sense at all. | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote: can you at least read my post on the previous page on why I think shining is clear and talk to me about it? No, you're bad. I skimmed it, it reeked of badness. | ||
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I gotta sleep, talk to you tomorrow guys. I'll try to make my case more coherent unless I decide to re-think it. | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:13 Damdred wrote: And if i'm right? what will you say then? TMI, mafia. | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:23 The Shining wrote: Oh and inb4 you try to scum me for some bullshyt like I left but continued to refresh the thread. I just came back up from walking my dog and checked the thread one last time before hitting the gym. Bye. I Only call people scum for things that actually make them scum. Not being able to step away from he thread is absolutely not scummy | ||
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I did read one post by doyouhas and it was completely awful. Possibly lynch worthy. I'll probably not read or talk much until tonight. I'm less inclined to lynch shining than I was yesterday | ||
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On December 01 2015 19:40 Rels wrote: Are you good at reading Damdred ? Do you have a Damdred read ? Not really (to both) | ||
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Still bad, still a good default lynch. I'm not actually putting a ton of effort into this game but I don't want to lynch into this list: Trfel, Fidei, HTS, disformation. Maybe Rels belongs there too. This is in no way a "these people are town" list, just a "I have seen something that makes me not want to lynch them right now". Damdred is being a bit weird but I'm not gonna call him mafia yet. Also, Kush and Onegu are useless baddies who will be useless throughout the game. Flipping a coin and lynching one of them is a good play | ||
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Shining said he'd leave yesterday when arguing with me, yet he kept coming back to the thread. If he is mafia he has already realized I'm an obnoxious bastard who pushes shit without mercy. He created an excuse for himself to leave the thread and then didn't use it. That drive to make me understand that I'm being dumb as shit is actually kinda townie. When I think about it I definitely don't want to lynch Shining today. | ||
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I think this is legit. Let's not kill him. | ||
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On December 02 2015 06:07 disformation wrote: Short break. DYH filter next. Then probably going to look into James, Dani and Rels unless I get distracted by some new posts.  Also, screw this shit, call them Fidei and HtS. I really cba with multiple naming standards. | ||
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On December 02 2015 06:36 Trfel wrote: I note that this is very similar to what Damdred was saying earlier. And Palmar said it was stupid then. Not a new realization at all, Palmar That's not at all similar to what damdred said. Damdred's shit was bad. | ||
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On December 03 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh what you reason for voting James here? looked in your filter and couldn't find anything :o LS are you mafia? | ||
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Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash. | ||
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That being said, intentionally bad players should be policy lynched. I see no effort at all from moosy trying to actually help this game. | ||
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On December 01 2015 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!” My name must spread far and wide.Like taking pride in this shit is basically the hallmark of a person too dumb to really play mafia. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:29 Damdred wrote: Sadly that's just how he and a lot of the newer players play now Palmar. Its really annoying and sadly moosey is actually a good player when he decides to play, something about keeping a clean scum meta. I think hes worth a power role move perhaps at night but I wouldn't lynch him today. What do you think of LS Palmar. I haven't read him. Also, we have Onegu to deal with, our vigi can't shoot two people. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote: Like, this isn't a policy lynch at all. MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's bad. MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's useless. MoosyDoosy isn't being lynched because he's obnoxious. MoosyDoosy is being lynched because his play has too many contradictions and has no possible town mindset behind it, while it fits perfectly with mafia motivation of contributing as little as possible, in this case relying on meta to avoid the Day 1 lynch. Explain the bolded, I couldn't find any contradictions in it aside from the grumpy/happy. Why are you saying there are too many? | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:35 Damdred wrote: Thing that moosey will start playing n1-d2 in my experience Ok so wanna kill kush or onegu instead? | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:37 Trfel wrote: Also when he says he will play, and sort of pretends to play, but isn't actually playing the game/isn't actually invested in the game. Two major contradictions like that in a short filter is pretty telling. These aren't logic contradictions or read changes, mindset contradictions are much more powerful. That was pre-game though. Nah, I'm going to vote something else. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:39 Trfel wrote: I give up. Don't even know what I can do about this. Marvellosity told me what I needed to do to improve my mafia play, I tried it this game, with no results. Maybe my playstyle is just too different from everyone else's so that I can't actually play mafia any more. Maybe I just need to sheep people all the time like I used to. No you need to just say things that make sense to the people you're talking to. Half the skill in mafia is to recognize your crowd and appeal to it. Being right and unable to convince people you are makes you just as terrible as someone who is wrong all the time. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote: Palmar, take a look at LightningStrike, but I'm not sure that I would trust Damdred. If you avoid lynching MoosyDoosy because Damdred said so, I'll be extremely displeased. No, it's more of an internal fight. I have two conflicting goals and I don't know how to proceed. 1) I want to lynch useless shit people just because I don't want to play with them. vs 2) I want to actually win the game so it's technically better to pray these baddies get shot or checked while trying to lynch mafia. I do not believe your case for Moosy being mafia. I think it doesn't say much about his alignment. His filter is terrible, but it's not mafia terrible, at least not to me. It's just plain terrible. I will, however, look at LS like damdy asked me to. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:38 Damdred wrote: Honestly Palmar I feel pretty strongly about LS I know its a bit of work, but just do me this favor and look at him its 2 pages of filter if that. He has 0 scum reads, he town reads people for little reason showing no fear of me or you who he generally has a great deal of respect/fear for our scum games. Has absolutely no scum reads, has no positions in the thread. Just see if i'm right/wrong and tell me and then if you think i'm so dead wrong we can talk about maybe lynching kush/onegu Ugh Idk, LS is definitely a bit strange this game. I hate his comment about how marv or I would be calling him town here. I would have thought he knows by now why marv and I can townread him so easily sometimes. also, his list post was just a bit too thorough for that state of the game. I don't recall him having so many relatively firm opinions early, but again, maybe it's just the fact that I haven't played with him for a while. I'm going to dump my vote on him and see what happens. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:48 The Shining wrote: No he wasn't. He was almost lynched. And you had perfect info from the start of the game as scum. You also pulled this woe is me, no one is listening to me stunt last game. If there was anyone else competing for the lynch with Moosy right now, Id say you were trying to protect a scum partner. Looking at Moosys filter, it looks bad but its nowhere near enough to be 100% sure he's scum like you are. Wait Shining, do you think Trfel is 100% scum? | ||
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I'd be building one if I had one (I tried to summarize my concerns about shining last night). I just don't quite know what I want to do right now. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:02 Trfel wrote: I've done so, perhaps it was too simple for you to consider it a case. You didn't agree, and I don't think that I can change your mind, so I won't try. Do you agree with Damdred on LS? | ||
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game solved? | ||
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I think I'm just gonna roll with Damdred. I have no good reason to call LS town so fuck it. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: Palmar, you're not doing anything yourself, so you're going to have to stop this. Remember in Mini Mafia Down Under 2? We had a really good case and push against Alakaslam and you ruined it for a policy lynch. I realize that you're extremely talented and one of the best players on the site, but it's still possible that once in a while, someone else knows something that you don't (and just because they can't explain it well doesn't invalidate this). You don't need to attack me as well. I know this?? That's exactly why, I know that currently I don't have a lot of good ideas, and damdred's idea looks like a decent one so I'm just gonna roll with that. | ||
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Did LS claim yet? | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:53 Rels wrote: You said "DYH is a good lynch". DYH made two posts since: Thoughts ?? I also said I misread one of his posts. I don't really care. LS is a fine lynch. DYH is being shit, but so are multiple other players. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote: I back and LIKE I SAID FUCKING VANILLA TOWN -__- Anyways I getting lynched rip LYNCH MOOSEYDOOSEY PLEASE IF I DON'T GET LYNCHED OR AFTER I GET LYNCHED. Dude, chill. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:29 kushm4sta wrote: I think the LS lynch is good. I looked over his filter again. His arguments are always"so and so was like that in that game, and he's similar/different in this game, therefore he's town/scum" That's an overreliance on bad meta. Those are very easy arguments for scum to make. This is possibly an overexplanation | ||
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We're so bad. Well, lynching kush is always a good thing. Dota time. | ||
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Damdy LS Shining Me I don't really trust many other people. | ||
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On December 03 2015 20:36 Rels wrote: Good cop check / vig shot. Cop check, sure, it's a waste of a check on someone whose alignment is obvious, but sure. Vigi shot, I will be seriously mad. Here's the thing, go back to just about every game I play. I should NEVER EVER be vigged. The reason is I am extremely unlikely to be a wildcard. I will always respond to pressure and always play the game. Using a vigilante shot on a player who is all but guaranteed to be active and willing to engage when pressured is a waste of a shot. It's literally the most wrong way to use a vigi shot. Vigis should focus on killing people who are inactive/not playing/not contributing. I am more than slightly mad at you for suggesting this, it makes you a bad player to even think this is the correct thing to do. | ||
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I have repeatedly found disformation's posts to be very unforced and easy to follow so I'll accept your town read on him. HTS/fidei/Trfel, can you give me something to convince me to believe they're all town? | ||
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On December 03 2015 22:15 Rels wrote: Why are you obvious town ? Has your read of DYH evolved beyond "meh he's useless like others" ? I have not read anything by DYH really since then, so no. | ||
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If you haven't played much with me before: I do not like being lynched, I will generally put a lot of effort into not being lynched because I consider whoever gets lynched to be the worst player in the game. This means that I am usually very, very active in defending myself when people want to lynch me. I should never, ever be vigi shot, it is objectively a bad play. | ||
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I think it was useful! We all think shining is town now! My damdred townread, is really just wishful thinking. I want him to be town because I cba dealing with him as mafia. | ||
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I'm not really putting in the effort I should this game, so sorry about that. I'll make a decision on who I want to lynch tonight or tomorrow. | ||
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On December 04 2015 21:40 Fidei86 wrote: I'm only semi-joking. Like, this game takes a lot of time and just stopping in every 12 hrs like you've been doing recently and giving no content is annoying. It makes you near impossible to read and it makes it less likely anyone will listen to your reads. Are you insane? I have 4 pages of filter in two days with plenty of reads and progression in it. I'm nowhere near lurker level. That's plenty of activity to figure out my alignment on. The fact I only play at some particular times during the day has mostly to do with work and other real life obligations. I have no idea since when not constantly being in the thread has been a problem. | ||
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Probably town: Rels, for effort (although I know he does it as mafia too, but who cares, he deserves at least to be not the mafia we're looking for). LS (EoD shennies) Shining (his entire reaction to my palmartunnel™ on day 1. Especially the part where he created an excuse to leave the thread and then didn't). Leaning town: disformation (mostly a leftover tone read from day 1. I've yet to read a post of his that feels forced or awkward). People who I have read some parts of, but not really made a judgement on alignment: Fidei (I liked his first post because he spotted exactly the same thing as I did with regards to shining. I often overvalue such mind-melds, but meh. I feel like I should just sort of give him a pass for today, but I'm not certain). People who I have ignored/Have little opinion on: DoYouHas (his filter on day 1 was bad, but I sort of started ignoring him after misreading one of his posts. I should probably have looked into him anyway) HtS (I remember thinking "that's unusually awkward, even for HtS" at some point, but other than that I have generally flat out ignored everything she says. Very worthy candidate to investigate for me) People I have not read at all The replacements People who I am slightly suspicious of Trfel (It's sort of a sheep from Damdred, but also his emotional outburst yesterday. He was really over the top about a few people not listening to his read on moosy). So yeah, I don't have a strong scumread right now. I have no "gotcha, this guy is mafia", but I have a basis to work upon. Given that hts and dyh are the people with votes on them, I'm going to focus on reading them and the cases for them being mafia. For those of you that haven't played with me before, I have a very annoying habit of ignoring people who are mafia (which is another good reason to look into dyh and hts). Basically the theory is that mafia people just post to fit in, whereas townies are posting a lot more entertaining/insane stuff. So I end up not reading boring mafia posts. My reads in general are sort of fluid, but I'll figure it out. | ||
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On December 04 2015 22:00 Fidei86 wrote: Wow you actually do have four pages of filter. Okay. But I do disagree with you viz you "being towny" enough. It's actually not. When you get mislynched its almost always 50% on the idiots who lynched you and 50% on you for being scummy town. That's a really important thing that lots of people forget as town. Dude... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906 I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged. | ||
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On December 04 2015 22:01 Fidei86 wrote: Let's not do NK WIFOM again please. Damdred flipping town proves he was honest, but it does NOT prove he was correct. 100% town palmar based on damdred dead. You can't argue with science bitch. | ||
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On December 04 2015 22:05 Fidei86 wrote: Ugh. Meta reading Rels as town for effort is 100% a guaranteed, tried and tested terrible way to read him. His last couple of scum games he has outposted EVERYBODY. I am only vaguely aware of rels' playstyle. In general, the cases, including the one against me, he built during the night felt unforced and genuine. I have no idea how good he is at not just posting, but actually posting decently, as mafia, but I'm going to roll with it for now. We can always lynch him later. Do you think he should be a prime candidate to be lynched today? because if you don't, then why do you have a problem with me giving him a tentative pass? | ||
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So clearly best player. | ||
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A thing I notice when reading HtS is that she has no aggression and no "agenda". I honestly can't remember if I should think she's mafia for this, but I'll try to explain a bit better. She spends a lot of time and effort "talking about things". She weighs in here, and gives an opinion there, but there is very little "this guy is totally mafia, let's murder him". She's more of a passive observer and commentator than an active participant and instigator. Thing is though, I'm not entirely sure that makes her mafia, I think I recall her being a bit timid in general, but meh. I am going to find the case against her and see what those guys who voted her said. | ||
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a) do you believe my perception of her filter is correct b) do you think it's relevant | ||
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HtS is bland and boring Nocturn is aggressive and sexy ergo: we kill hts over him. I don't think it's even a question. | ||
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You said it best yourself, now we kill hts. | ||
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On December 05 2015 00:34 Rels wrote: How the fuck did you get these links in 2 minutes. | ||
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On December 05 2015 18:36 Rels wrote: Palmar hasn't done anything to make me change my read. I obviously don't agree with your take on my case. I think in particular, his total apathy towards the lynch is scum indicative. apathy and being unsure are two very, very different things | ||
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Based on reading HtS and NM yesterday, I'm going to leave my vote on her. I think it's the right call. I won't be here at the deadline (or well... I won't be here from many hours before the deadline until tomorrow), so meh. I'll check my phone and such. If anyone wants my attention for something special just shout, I'll hopefully notice. I still think this is a reasonably good lynch. NM seems kinda towny and he's very sure about HtS, and her entire tone is very very bland as I talked about. I am again more suspicious of fidei and trfel than I was previously, with NM moving into the probably town column. I actually read something FF wrote that made me think he's town too, but since I can't even remember what it was, it can't have been super significant. Still for now this is good enough. I have yet to read FF, DYH and I think some other people, but I'll have to do that during the night or tomorrow. Good luck guys. | ||
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wifom shots are generally bad btw. It's super tempting to do them all the time, but still. | ||
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The rationale is very simple. It's much easier for people to stay on target than it is to step back and reassess. People are generally very biased to their own beliefs. Let's take an example: Disfo is mafia. LS is town Palmartown thinks LS is mafia Damdredtown thinks Disfo is mafia If you make the wifom shot (Palmar) you're hoping the following happens: Damdred steps back, realizes he's been wrong the entire time and Palmar must have gotten shot for being right on LS. Damdred changes his mind and starts thinking LS is mafia If you make the simple shot (Damdred) you're hoping the following happens: Palmar keeps tunneling LS without thinking too much about the NK In general (of course this is very situation specific), you want to bet on people being stubborn and self-righteous. It is extremely difficult to recognize when you've been wrong and reassess, it's one of the hardest things to do in mafia. I don't blame anyone for sticking to their original beliefs when in doubt. | ||
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I find guidelines like these to be extremely helpful to my play as both factions. The thought process of: "I feel like I want to do X in this situation, but the convention says I should do Y. I better be damn sure X is the correct play because there must be a reason Y exists". | ||
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On December 05 2015 22:11 Palmar wrote: I don't know if I'm going to do much more today, it's weekend. Based on reading HtS and NM yesterday, I'm going to leave my vote on her. I think it's the right call. I won't be here at the deadline (or well... I won't be here from many hours before the deadline until tomorrow), so meh. I'll check my phone and such. If anyone wants my attention for something special just shout, I'll hopefully notice. I still think this is a reasonably good lynch. NM seems kinda towny and he's very sure about HtS, and her entire tone is very very bland as I talked about. I am again more suspicious of fidei and trfel than I was previously, with NM moving into the probably town column. I actually read something FF wrote that made me think he's town too, but since I can't even remember what it was, it can't have been super significant. Still for now this is good enough. I have yet to read FF, DYH and I think some other people, but I'll have to do that during the night or tomorrow. Good luck guys. On August 29 2015 19:31 Palmar wrote: Do we do the AFK vote today? it's weekend so don't expect much from me. On May 11 2015 18:56 Palmar wrote: It was weekend and I was hungover. This year is the worst. Everyone is turning 30 so always party and I'm old. On April 11 2015 01:48 Palmar wrote: you know what. It's almost weekend so I'm just gonna fuck off. I'm going to pretend no one is voting me or scumreading me and ignore you all because you've all proven you're bad. So what I'll do instead is at my own leisure, if I feel like it, drop some reads and hard hitting analysis in the thread that will probably go over your tiny heads anyway. No more rage. I'm playing single player mafia now. On January 31 2015 20:35 Palmar wrote: No pls civ and weekend and Super Bowl tomo and various other excuses. On January 31 2015 01:29 Palmar wrote: btw it's weekend (yes I stayed home because of a kid with chickenpox today, so weekend one day early) so don't expect any magic from me today. I still trust _most_ of my reads. On December 01 2014 01:09 Palmar wrote: I don't know. maybe you should wagon me just in case. It's still weekend and I'm not really finding the time to filterdive. I'm always shit on weekends. On August 02 2014 07:15 Palmar wrote: it's weekend btw, so I'm going to be away and stuff. I'm in the middle of nowhere. On July 12 2014 20:59 Palmar wrote: we did it again! started on a weekend! Disclaimer: I'm hungover and will get mad. On September 29 2013 08:04 Palmar wrote: Not now, I seriously thought we were beyond starting games on weekends, it's dumb. But later. On March 23 2014 08:23 Palmar wrote: I don't know if I like it, he was on the correct wagons if I recall correctly, and I vaguely remember him saying something that made me think he's town. I haven't re-checked his filter to confirm that I was basing my townread on him on something good or just a thing. I did point out to him that he was being like far less supertown than in the last game, but I'm not entirely sure that makes him scum because his history suggests that being useful is the anomaly rather than the rule with him. It's weekend, reading filters is hard work. | ||
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