EPTHere goes nothing.
Is that a James sighting? also it's a mini, so never more than 13
edit: also your sample setups are for 9 players, not 13 <3
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Here goes nothing. Is that a James sighting? also it's a mini, so never more than 13 edit: also your sample setups are for 9 players, not 13 <3 | ||
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Also Alex, presence of a jailer doesn't necessarily have to be limited to deliverable kp because jailer is really a combination of a town roleblocker and a medic. Remember that discussion I had with you when I coached you in NSM14 and rsoultin threw a possible jailer in the setup? If you don't, check your old coaching QT.  Here it can block the rolecop and the godfather but it's more effectively a medic in this setup because kp is factional. There are no coaches allowed here but I think you are ready for such a game. | ||
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On November 30 2015 03:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: pregame excuse: i said i'll play d1 but remember that i only play d1 as mafia but then again i like playing w/ damdred which might make me try but then i have bias towards damdred so if i'm town that's a negative spiral and btw if i do roll mafia idk if i'll actually play or not for mindgames but idk if i'll be able to muster the decision to play if i'm town but guys i've rolled town in every one of blazinghand's games so ofc i'll roll town but maybe this time it's time to break the chain... WTF? >_< | ||
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/confirm (even though it's moot I suppose) 2300 is perfect for me. Pregame excuses: 30/11 - see previous post on interviews 5/12 - holiday party/all day/night family gathering Cheers Lex for cohosting as well. | ||
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A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining... | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:30 disformation wrote: Well, you went quiet and then suddenly popped out when two people called you scum... Plus your are going quite the OMGUS + hard defense mode. Def. not a fan so far, kinda remember better post from you last game.  @Damdred: So you are saying that the post is constructed since you took quite some time writing it up, but started after the game started? And ninjaed. Any thoughts on the actual exchange? | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. Agreed with Palmar, that doesn't make Fidei mafia. I just took it as him reacting to what he saw (either alignment) and I would probably draw it as more suspicious if he tried to push you as a lurker, say 24h from now. As for Shining's scum team post, I took that as a joke, so I'm also not sure what Palmar is saying "both as a joke and as serious" and then leading into "there's no way he can believe what he's saying" - because when I read that phrasing it is basically saying "he's serious and mafia because what he's saying isn't believable" but how do you navigate that when he's intending that as a joke? Am I misunderstanding that one? Shining, let's say Palmar just disappears. What are your reads on other people? | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:35 Palmar wrote: I'm not fucking defending Fidei you moron, I'm just calling his post fine. In a normal game mafia players make hundreds of "fine" posts. No one is dumb enough to give himself away with every post. What I am doing is questioning your logic in suspecting Fidei, and trying to see if you could possibly believe what you're saying. So far I don't really see it. I've read Fidei's post 5 times now and I just don't understand how saying true shit about you makes him mafia. It's such a leap. Alright, Palmar, ignore my last comment about you - this post probably ninjaed mine, and clears it up. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Basically, Damdred initially was suspicious of me (Trfel) for not reading the thread and trying to find someone to be suspicious of. And in his initial post with these suspicious, he specifically stated that these suspicions of me are only valid because of LightningStrike's pre-game excuse. LightningStrike's pre-game excuse has no implication on my alignment whatsoever. Damdred is basically saying that because my suspicion of LightningStrike was invalid, I was suspicious. However, why would I as mafia make a post about a player's inactivity when that player said, before the game, that they wouldn't be around at the start of the game? There is zero reason for mafia to do this. The only thing that LightningStrike's pre-game excuse says about my play is that my reason to be suspicious of LightningStrike was invalid. First, it was invalid without the pre-game excuse as well. And second, my argument being invalid doesn't have any relevance on my alignment. As does reading posts in the thread that were made before the game started. Damdred failed to address the main question that I asked, which was why LightningStrike's pre-game excuse affects my alignment. His suspicion of me made zero sense, and Damdred is a very sensible player as town. Combine this with his entrance post, completely ignoring everyone else in the thread and saying that his play would follow his (rough) scum meta of fewer posts more focused on analysis. Backtracking to this post. No issues with the first part, but I'm not sure why he thinks it's unreasonable as town when you are clearly focused on one person that much that of course you will miss the flying conversation in the thread. Especially more suspicious to me if this isn't his scum meta, and honestly given my poor track record of sniping mafia Damdred, I'm not sure what/how to really measure this. It looks like a reach for me. | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:11 Trfel wrote: Not sure exactly what you're getting at here, but the final two lines of the post you quoted were purely aimed at Damdred's first post of the game, and not the rest of his play. I may be misreading/misunderstanding, sorry if you realized that already. Gotcha. I had to read that a second and third time to see you meant the bolded as his first post. | ||
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On December 01 2015 21:45 Fidei86 wrote: @Rels I have looked over HTS' posts, and I am more okay with #209 now that I've read it a few times. There's nothing particularly objectionable in there. At #219, I disagree with her read on the Palmar / Shining interaction. There is something very strange about Shining's progression, and HTS just skates past it. She then at #224, #237 and #246 goes forward and then back on on Trfel. She asks Shining about people other than Palmar, but noticeably doesn't ask Palmar about people other than Shining. I know that HTS is very much a fan of Palmar's scum play. I know that she has previously had him as a coach and that she generally speaks highly of him as a player. It is strange to me that she almost specifically avoids interacting with him, or making any comments about him. Honestly, if she can't read him, it seems like the rest of us don't have a chance. None of the above is a guaranteed scum-tell. But I find it somewhat suspicious. Town HTS nitpicks as well, but I just always get the sense that she is going somewhere with her thoughts. That seems lacking to me. A bit correction/clarification here. I think highly of geript's scum play, it is he who I've had as a coach. Not Palmar. I had geript/sicklucker as mafia coaches. That said, Palmar is a good player as both alignments. A key thing I learnt about Palmar is that you can't meta him easily because he has played many different ways as both alignments. I learnt that the hard way when we mislynched him in Hammertime and in the few ways I've seen him play from the hosting world (Down Under 3) I didn't find him terribly easy to read as town. The manner in which Palmar hit up Shining is, yes, out of the blue but also not outside the realm of town Palmar which is why I waited to see if/how when he broke down the case. It was also not unreasonable for Shining in that regard to say he fails to comment on anything but him. On my way home early, the lightheadedness is real. And thanks James. I'll vent on Steam about RL if I get the chance. | ||
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On DYH, definitely odd how looking at timestamps, that progression. I looked at his filter quickly and he responds on things related to Palmar/Shining but didn't reconsider Trfel or at least that reaction in conjunction with something else, since I believe Trfel was up late in skimming. Unless there was reason not to, there was a lack of followup there. On December 01 2015 11:40 kushm4sta wrote: Shining looking like a decent d1 lynch I guess. Reasoning is that if Palmer called me 100 percent scum I'd be like lol. Instead he doth protest too much, Not sure I like this reaction from kushmasta either. He makes an assumption that Shining would or should react the same way he does. It is why I asked Shining what his other reads were, and they looked reasonable at first glance last night. Also begs the question why he's still voting Rels or why he feels Rels initial push was worse than Shining's. I'm lying down for a few hours, any more questions, fire away. | ||
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Also I can't see where you are trying to go with Damdred v Trfel either, but that was the last post you made before going to bed. | ||
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On December 02 2015 00:19 Rels wrote: Sure. I remember you having a good read on LS. What is your read on him this game ? He didn't post before I went to bed, so hang tight whilst I look through. | ||
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That said I think of all the posts he has I would focus on 257 and 272 for potential issues. 257 On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I had just got home and read and Tfrel tried to snipe me when I was gone even though in the pregame I EVEN TOLD EVERYONE I WAS GOING TO BE GONE TILL NOW -_- Here the quote for proof: Anyways Tfrel seems like a scumlean for now for trying to snipe me and tried to case Damdred when Damdred caught tfrel on the fact that I told everyone I wasn't going to be here till now. Palmar seems town for now he actually being serious although I don't think Shining is really scum yet but he fooled me till later in my last game when he was scum. I also liking Damdred this game for his responses and actually trying to hunt scum. I need more time on MD because his play style is so weird my experience playing with him and hosting/cohosting games involving him. DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game. @kush: If you are here what you think of Shining vs Palmar? @Palmar: Okay if Shining is town then who is mafia and why? Also some Christmas pictures for Palmar because I know he's a huge sucker for Christmas: ![[image loading]](http://soclday.com/p/2015/10/images-of-christmas-xaqo9t5w.jpg) Couple of questions - I'm not sure whether LS is trying to meta Palmar from the way he's phrasing it. The reason I am stating this is that assuming he is NOT, then townreading someone for being serious....usually a serious tone is grounds for a scumread. If the context is with respect to Palmar's CASE on Shining then I'm not sure how else he could have gone about saying that because cases in general (ignoring Palmar's meta) are serious. In which case, that part is scummy, cases couldn't be light tone or generally arent' so that would fall in the category of posting just to post. On Shining, the fear read is NAI, provided he has an adequate reason/basis to actually fear read. The problem comes later in 272 when he comments on what HE thinks about Fidei and not what Shining thinks about Fidei revealing about Shining or whether that changes his read. [QUOTE]On December 01 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote: [QUOTE]On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote: It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?[/QUOTE] I was just trying to see if your thoughts had changed since you cooled off. Anyways I think Palmar is town he did this very similarly how he did when I first played with him in Metal Mini when I was town vs his town. Damdred is town like I said earlier I liked his responses since it's a Damdred thought. James is null atm because he went straight to bed afterwards. Also Hi Damdred how are you?[/QUOTE] So LS a bit more specific on that - not what you thought about James but what you thought about Shining saying about James. The part about Trfel trying to case Damdred, I have to look at that again and see if whether there is a scum basis for that makes his statement reasonable or not. Knowing the SOTW 2 play, it's not outside of the realm of town LS to throw his thoughts out like this but I still find it strange there is no read on Shining or at least him trying to isolate Shining's reaction from the fear read. I don't necessarily think it's mafia indicative yet as I recall other people's fear reads on say ritoky, Kita, etc a lot of people just may not bother reading people at all. The potential concern arises though when things happen after the fact and he won't or doesn't consider it. Right now I'm going to say null/scumlean with a series of questions. There is the mafia characteristic for what he stated on Palmar, I can't figure out why he'd say him being serious is town (assuming I have context correct) when it's pretty much apparent unless he's trying to say Palmar is a jokey person as mafia and is otherwise here, but that's not how I'm reading this. There also is me wondering why he didn't try and contrast his read on Fidei versus Shining's and how he got there. "Going to bed" (I'm taking this as "lack of activity") wasn't IMO the proper metric to gauge that read, but I want to give LS a chance on fleshing out those reads. | ||
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On December 02 2015 00:58 Half the Sky wrote: Rels, general comment on LS, generally speaking (reference Warcraft 3) he has a rough go at playing scum and as town there are some issues with how articulate he is. He also excessively relies on meta. That said I think of all the posts he has I would focus on 257 and 272 for potential issues. 257 Couple of questions - I'm not sure whether LS is trying to meta Palmar from the way he's phrasing it. The reason I am stating this is that assuming he is NOT, then townreading someone for being serious....usually a serious tone is grounds for a scumread. If the context is with respect to Palmar's CASE on Shining then I'm not sure how else he could have gone about saying that because cases in general (ignoring Palmar's meta) are serious. In which case, that part is scummy, cases couldn't be light tone or generally arent' so that would fall in the category of posting just to post. On Shining, the fear read is NAI, provided he has an adequate reason/basis to actually fear read. The problem comes later in 272 when he comments on what HE thinks about Fidei and not what Shining thinks about Fidei revealing about Shining or whether that changes his read. So LS a bit more specific on that - not what you thought about James but what you thought about Shining saying about James. The part about Trfel trying to case Damdred, I have to look at that again and see if whether there is a scum basis for that makes his statement reasonable or not. Knowing the SOTW 2 play, it's not outside of the realm of town LS to throw his thoughts out like this but I still find it strange there is no read on Shining or at least him trying to isolate Shining's reaction from the fear read. I don't necessarily think it's mafia indicative yet as I recall other people's fear reads on say ritoky, Kita, etc a lot of people just may not bother reading people at all. The potential concern arises though when things happen after the fact and he won't or doesn't consider it. Right now I'm going to say null/scumlean with a series of questions. There is the mafia characteristic for what he stated on Palmar, I can't figure out why he'd say him being serious is town (assuming I have context correct) when it's pretty much apparent unless he's trying to say Palmar is a jokey person as mafia and is otherwise here, but that's not how I'm reading this. There also is me wondering why he didn't try and contrast his read on Fidei versus Shining's and how he got there. "Going to bed" (I'm taking this as "lack of activity") wasn't IMO the proper metric to gauge that read, but I want to give LS a chance on fleshing out those reads. | ||
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Rels, general comment on LS, generally speaking (reference Warcraft 3) he has a rough go at playing scum and as town there are some issues with how articulate he is. He also excessively relies on meta. That said I think of all the posts he has I would focus on 257 and 272 for potential issues. 257 On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I had just got home and read and Tfrel tried to snipe me when I was gone even though in the pregame I EVEN TOLD EVERYONE I WAS GOING TO BE GONE TILL NOW -_- Here the quote for proof: Anyways Tfrel seems like a scumlean for now for trying to snipe me and tried to case Damdred when Damdred caught tfrel on the fact that I told everyone I wasn't going to be here till now. Palmar seems town for now he actually being serious although I don't think Shining is really scum yet but he fooled me till later in my last game when he was scum. I also liking Damdred this game for his responses and actually trying to hunt scum. I need more time on MD because his play style is so weird my experience playing with him and hosting/cohosting games involving him. DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game. @kush: If you are here what you think of Shining vs Palmar? @Palmar: Okay if Shining is town then who is mafia and why? Also some Christmas pictures for Palmar because I know he's a huge sucker for Christmas: Couple of questions - I'm not sure whether LS is trying to meta Palmar from the way he's phrasing it. The reason I am stating this is that assuming he is NOT, then townreading someone for being serious....usually a serious tone is grounds for a scumread. If the context is with respect to Palmar's CASE on Shining then I'm not sure how else he could have gone about saying that because cases in general (ignoring Palmar's meta) are serious. In which case, that part is scummy, cases couldn't be light tone or generally arent' so that would fall in the category of posting just to post. On Shining, the fear read is NAI, provided he has an adequate reason/basis to actually fear read. The problem comes later in 272 when he comments on what HE thinks about Fidei and not what Shining thinks about Fidei revealing about Shining or whether that changes his read. On December 01 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote: I was just trying to see if your thoughts had changed since you cooled off. Anyways I think Palmar is town he did this very similarly how he did when I first played with him in Metal Mini when I was town vs his town. Damdred is town like I said earlier I liked his responses since it's a Damdred thought. James is null atm because he went straight to bed afterwards. Also Hi Damdred how are you? So LS a bit more specific on that - not what you thought about James but what you thought about Shining saying about James. The part about Trfel trying to case Damdred, I have to look at that again and see if whether there is a scum basis for that makes his statement reasonable or not. Knowing the SOTW 2 play, it's not outside of the realm of town LS to throw his thoughts out like this but I still find it strange there is no read on Shining or at least him trying to isolate Shining's reaction from the fear read. I don't necessarily think it's mafia indicative yet as I recall other people's fear reads on say ritoky, Kita, etc a lot of people just may not bother reading people at all. The potential concern arises though when things happen after the fact and he won't or doesn't consider it. Right now I'm going to say null/scumlean with a series of questions. There is the mafia characteristic for what he stated on Palmar, I can't figure out why he'd say him being serious is town (assuming I have context correct) when it's pretty much apparent unless he's trying to say Palmar is a jokey person as mafia and is otherwise here, but that's not how I'm reading this. There also is me wondering why he didn't try and contrast his read on Fidei versus Shining's and how he got there. "Going to bed" (I'm taking this as "lack of activity") wasn't IMO the proper metric to gauge that read, but I want to give LS a chance on fleshing out those reads. | ||
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Anyways. Hopefully that's somewhat clear Rels. Also I realise a mistake - that should be Witchcraft 3, not Warcraft 3. I really need to lie down. | ||
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On December 02 2015 02:45 kushm4sta wrote: Yes I use my own experience as scum to predict how other people will act as scum. But actually I was accusing him of a standard scumtell, over defense. Don't put too much stock in what I say, because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far. I am looking forward to playing in a few days after the herd has been thinned. My vote stays on Rels for now. Probably he isn't scum but maybe he is and on my phone it takes a lot of effort to change my vote. Phoneposting from my bed - aside from the obvious you two (Fabian and James) just hashed out, do you or anyone else think the bolded is TMI? As in, he is posting as such he knows he won't die. | ||
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I took a hard look at DYH's filter again, obviously you aren't talking about the progression on yourself, but where you are drawing a contrast between say, his activity and, say, kushm4sta's? (LS and Shining have had obvious RL excuses, so I'll leave them out.) | ||
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I mean if he wasn't lazy enough to post those two paragraphs, surely he's not lazy enough to change his vote? | ||
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LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here. I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that. You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. | ||
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Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me. Alright, so in spite of your meta read on Shining and your fear read from earlier, you still think his content is better this game rather than last. What game was this, and how long ago and how are you so sure that his scum game hasn't improved given what you've said with the emotions? | ||
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Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere. Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case. | ||
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On December 02 2015 04:27 LightningStrike wrote: Drams whichwas like maybe a month or two ago O_o Just instincts plus his content was much better this game. *facepalm* duh, I'm an idiot. I completely forgot about Drams. Super lurky in that game. | ||
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On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. | ||
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I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. | ||
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On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote: Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Trfel, I mentioned a post where I scumleaned you initially for the comment you made on LS. I made an explanation as to why, it was something along the lines of tone and not wanting to take responsibility. There was something else that you mentioned, you answered it, but if you answered that first concern, show me the post where you did. There's a very good chance I missed it. Again, I failed to analyse you v Damdred. DYH over kush - It was part read on Trfel and part lack of followup on Trfel at that time when he commented on Shining/Palmar, which I felt could have come from either alignment. Also I wanted to press him for more reads, and I recall I did that somewhere. Obviously need to check his filter again and see what he's done since. I know I did not scumread him on activity especially since it's my first game with him and I don't know offhand if he's a lurky player. In any instance, I put both in a lynch list and I gave my reasons for not liking kush. Also I think it was you Trfel, whoever it was said that scum doesn't know the setup. This is not true. Look at the day one post. There is a list of 4 setups so that is part of where my statement came from. Additional comments/followups from what I saw from skimming the thread: Rels - posting game details has to be done regardless of whatever else games I'm playing. It either needed to be done when signups went up or very soon after. I was queued in, it had to get done. Take that as you will. Disformation - looking at your response to my last question right now, also did you have a question for me? You said a few times you were looking through my filter. Trfel - did you answer my questions regarding distinguishing activity between DYH and kush? (post 391, again if I missed it point it out) If you looked into Rels based on your last response to me, what did you think of him? (same deal if I missed it) Should hopefully be able to move forward after this. Let me see who is up for lynch and weigh in... | ||
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On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote: Side note, I remember that Half the Sky mentioned that she'd only played with kushm4sta before in Carol of the Bells. Which is wrong, since we all played in I believe Student Mafia IV (one of the Student Mafia games, before the Newbie Student mafias), and kushm4sta was in that game and actually sort of played. He was mafia, so I'm surprised that Half the Sky forgot that. But I just remembered that kushm4sta actually was in Carol of the Bells. If you have any doubt that kushm4sta is capable of playing this lazily as town, look at his play from Carol of the Bells. He had (arguably) the most important town power role in the game. A mafia player baited the role to claim, and the entire thread yelled at how stupid that request was. Didn't matter, kushm4sta didn't care and just claimed his role and died. In retrospect, it was pretty darn hilarious, but at the time it was infuriating. No I did not forget that. I know I cited both games. And kush wasn't mafia in the Student game. No way. I remember the lynch trains bouncing between both of us and both of us were town and I had modconfirmed myself because I posted after the bloody deadline. | ||
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On December 02 2015 04:03 Half the Sky wrote: I know I haven't. Only experience was Carol, where he did nothing, in my newbie which was over a year ago, he was more active, but in any case, not really a good metric to read him. My take on it, was with a possible vig in the setup, that, why he'd just say something like that. Town generally will spout whatever so I want to think that's what he's doing here, but that one sentence, when someone phrases something like that, it gives me pause. It might seem like "too scummy to be scum" but even when I go back to his explanation that it is an over defence stance, the standard thing to do at least to check Shining against Rels and evaluate whether he lynches Shining over Rels. Even if he's too lazy to follow up on Shining or was just unable, he's clearly throwing his vote away atm seeing as there isn't a train on Rels atm nor is he actually pushing him. Even if he doesn't want to do the latter, the explanation for voting Shining as it stands makes more sense than what I'm seeing for Rels at least based on what he's posted. I mean if he wasn't lazy enough to post those two paragraphs, surely he's not lazy enough to change his vote? At Trfel - I didn't say "student mafia IV" but the vein is the same. And I know LS was also in that game too and he was mafia that game. It was LS and two inactives. I just remember that game partially because it was my first and also, for all the wrong reasons. (I should have been modkilled that game.) | ||
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second question - I will admit I might be misremembering but again interactions with others as I missed some of the key events early on. Getting through your last response now, and then will weigh in on the others. | ||
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On December 03 2015 04:58 Trfel wrote: Eh, wow. My memory really is awful. My bad, sorry about that. (cries in a corner) To answer your questions:
Half the Sky, MoosyDoosy is mafia and needs to be lynched. Trust me. Alright, fair enough on the first two. So you're back to null then pending a full catch up. Third one we might have to agree to disagree. I read the OP again. I see what you're saying but I've played enough BH games and cohosted with him enough that he does tell the scum team what roles they are or have, and at least they can narrow it down a little. Just saying. Moving on. | ||
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On December 03 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote: Maybe this is just not a good argument at all. One more try. The key word is that Rels is rushing to the aid of town. Rushing, because speed is important. And his post is extremely knowledgeable, and is a really comprehensive explanation. I find it hard to believe that he got confirmation that scum didn't know the setup in time to make this post, for example. If Rels was around earlier, he should have been posting. Town wouldn't avoid posting like that. Basically, Rels took extra time to make sure his argument was completely explained and correct, when town wants to post as quickly as possible. This makes me wonder if the motivation behind the post is, instead of helping town, to make himself look better, which would mean that Rels is mafia. The argument falls apart if Rels is good enough to make this post as town without taking much extra time, which is what I was trying to get at. That seems really unlikely, but I can't completely rule it out. Not sure I like or agree with this post. I might be biased here because I've cohosted two games now with Rels, both of which are themed and both of which require him to know his mechanics in depth. I concluded this post alone was NAI because anyone skilled enough or knowledgeable enough about setup spec can speak to their opinions about what certain roles should and should not do. My opinion based on what I read in the OP/day post was that scum can narrow down the setup as they know their own roles so Rels' post is reasonable based on the fact that if the boxer claims, they can further narrow down the setup. The part about 100% sure on the setup is completely false, based on his saying "there are two possible setups....etc" no they don't know for sure but like I said before they can narrow it down based on how BH (and clearly you know from what you've posted?) assigns the roles in his games in the mafia QT, and that would appear to be Rels argument. I don't know where you are getting "took extra time" (I'm seeing a 10 minute gap between Damdred's and Rels response and from what I'm reading of the thread/their filters, for both players it is their first appearances in the thread, 23:27 and 23:37 respectively) or how you'd know he would have posted that otherwise unless I'm reading that sentence wrong. What I'm trying to say is it appears to me that you are reaching here especially since as Rels hadn't posted yet in the thread so I don't know how you can even assume that. It seems like a few assumptions "if he was around" etc. but even if you are making the argument that 10 minutes is too long for him to construct his post, that's still a poor assumption because when you look at his filter that 23:37 post is the first post he makes in the game. You don't know if he arrives at 23:35, sees that and just churns it out which makes the "completely explained and correct" part a reach on your end as well. | ||
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The other thing I get nervous on with the number of votes with MoosyDoosy piling up, I do need to examine the motivations for people voting him. I'm not sure I understood Trfel's motivations on a first read for voting him as "guaranteed" scum - policy lynch sure, based on being useless/unreadable/self-meta, and to me that puts him in the same category as Onegu who is always a coin flip, but I need to do more filter diving before I collapse again. I did read Moosy's filter and if you are to take the guy completely seriously, you can argue there's lack of followup, or why is he focusing on Rels when Rels isn't the one being picked about. Trfel's arguments I saw so far were tone based? It just seemed out there - Trfel if I'm misunderstanding the "guaranteed scum" argument can you elaborate? Fidei makes me a little nervous as well. I realise his job makes it hard for him to play and be active and I see he had an excuse tonight but to be fair, when he's mafia, he really falls off, and I mean really falls off. Of course it was so blatantly obvious last time (SOTW 2) that if he's mafia again, I would wager enough he'd be a little smarter to at least delay the inevitable if not for his teammates. I'll look at his filter or at least try to and see if anything is off. Still digging around filters folks. Policy lynch would be my last resort. Revisiting DYH since my vote is currently on him. I fell far too behind. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:28 Trfel wrote: Maybe it's a policy lynch for you, but I think I actually know what I'm doing. Have you played with Moosy before? | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote: Well he likes playing town with me even if I have been afk for large portions of the day. There is no reason to put something that is NAI and make it out to be like he is lock scum when it just isn't so, if he flips scum it will be because of something else. 100% (bolded) | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:35 Palmar wrote: I dislike Fidei being a robot, I don't trust robots. To me, his tone is NAI, he was like that in the town games I've had with him and as well in SOTW 2, what concerns me more is why he's voting Moosy now when he has LS as mafia in his list post. He's saying he's not confident enough in the LS read, but the read itself is pretty fleshed out? There was also another post of his that I didn't like either... | ||
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On December 02 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote: Back from class after some relaxation. Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team. On December 03 2015 03:16 LightningStrike wrote: It's implied I thought O_o(At least how I read it and I hope she gets better soon honestly) Also for note you played a shit ton of games with me when I'm town and I surprised you kinda forgot how I play This is the question I want to ask folks - why is he null reading Trfel based on the bolded? | ||
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LS can you comment more on why Trfel is null for you based on what you said or possibly his current gameplay now if he was someone you focused on? | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:55 Trfel wrote: Uh, the second post you quoted came after the first. Not sure what you're getting at. I'm asking why he wouldn't reconsider his read on you from his world given the first quote. He called something of yours "weird" in spite of him moving you to null, you think he'd at least question his read on you or question you if something you did surprised him. The expectation he has in the second quote is that you should know how he plays when he's town and why that couldn't or didn't affect his previous consideration. Looking at his filter, he is struggling for reads but when you have been his main focus most of this game, is this unreasonable to consider? | ||
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There you are. Can you explain why you are voting Moosy when you have a pretty fleshed out read on LS? You are saying you aren't confident on LS but your points are pretty clear in your list post. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:15 Fidei86 wrote: Every game I've ever played in people have pushed LS D1 and he has been town. That gives me pause. And we have Moosy, who has literally made no effort whatsoever in this game - he is basically trolling us. We simply cannot take him forward in this game and hope to win. He has had two days to do something constructive, or to show a change in tone. He has not. I actually don't agree with Trfel that MD's play makes him 100% Mafia or anything else. I think it's possible he's Mafia. It's possible he's not. But in the long run, I we cannot ever successfully read someone who apparent holds this game in contempt. Have you looked into the reasons as to why they are pushing LS? Do you think those reasons are town or mafia motivated? Or whether that affects your reads on the people voting him? (I think if I recall right you had Palmar and Damdred as nulls?) | ||
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LS, what do you think of Trfel and what do you think of Damdred? Talk to us for cripe's sake if you are town, you have half an hour. Let me check Warcraft 3 since I am assuming that's the game that Shining is referring to? | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote: Yes he discredits them hard but the caps and cursing feels uncharacteristic. Unless I'm just not remembering correctly. But that somewhat recent game that I rolled scum in, he didn't go this ham. I'd have to disagree, he lost his head to the point in Himalayas that Fecalfeast and I warned and took post-game action on him. It is not unprecedented. | ||
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On December 03 2015 07:25 Fidei86 wrote: Okay that's just not true Trfel. I'm getting cold feet because LS usually fights his corner on somewhat sensible grounds. I've never seen a response like that before. Hmm. You were in Himalayas and so was he, surely you remember when he lost the plot? | ||
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.....and this is why I stated he had 30 minutes to talk to us. Or whatever I said, it's more than enough time to discuss and run an alternate lynch. He does freak out at the slightest bit of pressure and he claims prematurely when he's blue, here he claimed VT though. | ||
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Fuck it I'm going back to Witchcraft 3, I didn't see that game (scum LS) whether he was emotional. If he was emotional in even one scum game, then the meta can be considered broken IDK. | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:30 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I just going to vote to save myself potentally. ##Unvote Vote: Bill Murray On June 10 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote: I think BM might flip scum and Stutters is most likely getting Modkilled we lynch BM if I live through this lynch guys. On June 10 2015 07:59 LightningStrike wrote: Saving myself again. ##Unvote ##Vote:Stutters695 On June 10 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote: gG Had no motivation to play when I saw I rolled scum He's not emotional and not as emotional compared to here though he says he's saving himself but saving self is always NAI. I hate that he isn't talking to us and I hate he isn't suggesting an alternate lynch but gut call says current lynch is a bad lynch. | ||
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On December 06 2015 03:17 LightningStrike wrote: I just got home: I was waiting for HTS to show up again honestly but I guess this will have to do for her when she feels better. HTS if you see this and can respond: What was going on in your mind during EoD because I know it was chaotic esp for me because I really thought I was going to get lynched there? End of day? I tried to flesh your reads out. You were brought back to null, and I generally avoid policy lynches day 1 unless I've really found nothing. I think in all my TL games I have pushed a policy lynch once and I was accused of being scum for it (I forget which game) so I have avoided doing that ever since. I double checked your WC3 game to verify the emotional tell that people were using to read you town. Honestly I think you are most likely town at this point, esp given the 2259 comment. | ||
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On December 06 2015 07:43 Trfel wrote: I'm here, and I'm listening. And I'm sad/frustrated beyond belief, but oh well. I have a million questions for you, but there is no time. Why did you decide that LightningStrike's Drams mafia filter was different from his filter this game? I didn't see this at all, neither did disformation. In the eight minutes between the deadline and you deciding that you didn't want to lynch LightningStrike, you didn't actually discuss the counterwagon options. What were you doing during this time? What? Drams? He wasn't mafia in Drams. I ran that game. The scumteam was Rels/Shining/SL. I know I'm not insane. The answer to your second question was going through the WC3 filter for LS. I switched to kush because I was scumreading him. I voted kush at the time because my other scumreads were DYH and him. | ||
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On December 06 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote: HTS what you think of Alex's case on you? and what was your thoughts at EoD1? Bah I missed this one. Alex is being Alex. He has to accuse me of being mafia, that was the first thing on his mind, he seemed quite giddy. I don't like how he's after you though. I think James had a great metaphor, a Jack Russell on meth. Sums up his play perfectly, really. EoD honestly I was just hoping we had it right. And I was going to go right to bed after deadline because I was just so gone at that point. | ||
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On December 06 2015 07:55 Trfel wrote: I know that feeling all too well XD Separate from the game, I'll verify that I'm getting better. I think I laughed a bit (Fidei knows) for the first time this week over dota. Not 100 percent but better than the past week. I should manage a return to work on Monday or Tuesday. So I appreciate the well wishes, etc in PM/Dota land. | ||
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If nothing else, there's Talisker. GGs. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dRNZzAh.png) | ||
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On December 06 2015 07:58 LightningStrike wrote: Also I hope you get a full recovery on your health Dani. Cheers. I think everything will turn out alright in the end. Just for you.... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uwYSEnN.jpg) | ||
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On December 15 2015 08:03 NocturneMage wrote: If nothing else, it was so relishing to lynch Dani. I love lynching Dani. Of course, the flip side of that was having to navigate the rest of the game without her. Sorry Rels :/ We know Alex, we know..... </3 GGs town. Mage and out of game issues aside I completely botched d1 so I'll take responsibility for that. Fabian don't get so hard on yourself. Mafia is a team game, there were individual and team mistakes, its interesting how you learn the most when things go wrong the most. | ||
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