EPTHere goes nothing.
Is that a James sighting? also it's a mini, so never more than 13
edit: also your sample setups are for 9 players, not 13 <3
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Here goes nothing. Is that a James sighting? also it's a mini, so never more than 13 edit: also your sample setups are for 9 players, not 13 <3 | ||
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Also Alex, presence of a jailer doesn't necessarily have to be limited to deliverable kp because jailer is really a combination of a town roleblocker and a medic. Remember that discussion I had with you when I coached you in NSM14 and rsoultin threw a possible jailer in the setup? If you don't, check your old coaching QT.  Here it can block the rolecop and the godfather but it's more effectively a medic in this setup because kp is factional. There are no coaches allowed here but I think you are ready for such a game. | ||
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Well, here's hoping. | ||
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On November 30 2015 03:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: pregame excuse: i said i'll play d1 but remember that i only play d1 as mafia but then again i like playing w/ damdred which might make me try but then i have bias towards damdred so if i'm town that's a negative spiral and btw if i do roll mafia idk if i'll actually play or not for mindgames but idk if i'll be able to muster the decision to play if i'm town but guys i've rolled town in every one of blazinghand's games so ofc i'll roll town but maybe this time it's time to break the chain... WTF? >_< | ||
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/confirm (even though it's moot I suppose) 2300 is perfect for me. Pregame excuses: 30/11 - see previous post on interviews 5/12 - holiday party/all day/night family gathering Cheers Lex for cohosting as well. | ||
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A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed - Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough. Trfel's comments on LS I have a mixed reaction on. I don't like the following phrasing and here's why: Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? When I read this, I read it as trying to absolve responsibility from self regardless of actual intention (baiting in this case) - it's not what LS posted that is the problem, it's what you (Trfel) did about it. That reaction makes me think whether you are trying to cover something up. Moosy is something I am going to need more time reading given his general playstyle. No read on him so far obviously. disformation hasn't made any reads yets with the Trfel/Damdred interaction going on, and I think that might have been about when he left the thread. Answered Trfel's question, but from recalling the last student game, he did take more stances in that game. So far probable scumleans on Trfel/disformation. Fidei was someone who falls off hard as mafia, first post based on his SOTW 2 performance (mafia) is going to weigh in at NAI. The ONLY thing that jumps out at me from Fidei's post is why he commented on Rels being towny but Damdred not being so even though both talked about the setup, and Damdred seems to make more of a point in trying to get town to coalesence. Moving to Palmar/Shining... | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:30 disformation wrote: Well, you went quiet and then suddenly popped out when two people called you scum... Plus your are going quite the OMGUS + hard defense mode. Def. not a fan so far, kinda remember better post from you last game.  @Damdred: So you are saying that the post is constructed since you took quite some time writing it up, but started after the game started? And ninjaed. Any thoughts on the actual exchange? | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:13 The Shining wrote: Fidei's scumlean is bad. No one but disfo and Trfel had posted at the time of my posts and I poked fun at the fact that throughout the history of my playing on TL, I don't normally play on Mondays and Tuesdays. Which is why I "went quiet." I don't normally have time to play on these days and I'll be out of here once again shortly. Palmar is bad for commenting on literally nothing up to this point but claiming I'm 100% scum. There are actual things going on in the thread but he's just trying to pick up off of Fidei's soft pushing on me to get me lynched. Out of Fidei and Palmar, Palmar is the worst looking one. Agreed with Palmar, that doesn't make Fidei mafia. I just took it as him reacting to what he saw (either alignment) and I would probably draw it as more suspicious if he tried to push you as a lurker, say 24h from now. As for Shining's scum team post, I took that as a joke, so I'm also not sure what Palmar is saying "both as a joke and as serious" and then leading into "there's no way he can believe what he's saying" - because when I read that phrasing it is basically saying "he's serious and mafia because what he's saying isn't believable" but how do you navigate that when he's intending that as a joke? Am I misunderstanding that one? Shining, let's say Palmar just disappears. What are your reads on other people? | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:35 Palmar wrote: I'm not fucking defending Fidei you moron, I'm just calling his post fine. In a normal game mafia players make hundreds of "fine" posts. No one is dumb enough to give himself away with every post. What I am doing is questioning your logic in suspecting Fidei, and trying to see if you could possibly believe what you're saying. So far I don't really see it. I've read Fidei's post 5 times now and I just don't understand how saying true shit about you makes him mafia. It's such a leap. Alright, Palmar, ignore my last comment about you - this post probably ninjaed mine, and clears it up. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote: Basically, Damdred initially was suspicious of me (Trfel) for not reading the thread and trying to find someone to be suspicious of. And in his initial post with these suspicious, he specifically stated that these suspicions of me are only valid because of LightningStrike's pre-game excuse. LightningStrike's pre-game excuse has no implication on my alignment whatsoever. Damdred is basically saying that because my suspicion of LightningStrike was invalid, I was suspicious. However, why would I as mafia make a post about a player's inactivity when that player said, before the game, that they wouldn't be around at the start of the game? There is zero reason for mafia to do this. The only thing that LightningStrike's pre-game excuse says about my play is that my reason to be suspicious of LightningStrike was invalid. First, it was invalid without the pre-game excuse as well. And second, my argument being invalid doesn't have any relevance on my alignment. As does reading posts in the thread that were made before the game started. Damdred failed to address the main question that I asked, which was why LightningStrike's pre-game excuse affects my alignment. His suspicion of me made zero sense, and Damdred is a very sensible player as town. Combine this with his entrance post, completely ignoring everyone else in the thread and saying that his play would follow his (rough) scum meta of fewer posts more focused on analysis. Backtracking to this post. No issues with the first part, but I'm not sure why he thinks it's unreasonable as town when you are clearly focused on one person that much that of course you will miss the flying conversation in the thread. Especially more suspicious to me if this isn't his scum meta, and honestly given my poor track record of sniping mafia Damdred, I'm not sure what/how to really measure this. It looks like a reach for me. | ||
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On December 01 2015 10:11 Trfel wrote: Not sure exactly what you're getting at here, but the final two lines of the post you quoted were purely aimed at Damdred's first post of the game, and not the rest of his play. I may be misreading/misunderstanding, sorry if you realized that already. Gotcha. I had to read that a second and third time to see you meant the bolded as his first post. | ||
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On December 01 2015 21:45 Fidei86 wrote: @Rels I have looked over HTS' posts, and I am more okay with #209 now that I've read it a few times. There's nothing particularly objectionable in there. At #219, I disagree with her read on the Palmar / Shining interaction. There is something very strange about Shining's progression, and HTS just skates past it. She then at #224, #237 and #246 goes forward and then back on on Trfel. She asks Shining about people other than Palmar, but noticeably doesn't ask Palmar about people other than Shining. I know that HTS is very much a fan of Palmar's scum play. I know that she has previously had him as a coach and that she generally speaks highly of him as a player. It is strange to me that she almost specifically avoids interacting with him, or making any comments about him. Honestly, if she can't read him, it seems like the rest of us don't have a chance. None of the above is a guaranteed scum-tell. But I find it somewhat suspicious. Town HTS nitpicks as well, but I just always get the sense that she is going somewhere with her thoughts. That seems lacking to me. A bit correction/clarification here. I think highly of geript's scum play, it is he who I've had as a coach. Not Palmar. I had geript/sicklucker as mafia coaches. That said, Palmar is a good player as both alignments. A key thing I learnt about Palmar is that you can't meta him easily because he has played many different ways as both alignments. I learnt that the hard way when we mislynched him in Hammertime and in the few ways I've seen him play from the hosting world (Down Under 3) I didn't find him terribly easy to read as town. The manner in which Palmar hit up Shining is, yes, out of the blue but also not outside the realm of town Palmar which is why I waited to see if/how when he broke down the case. It was also not unreasonable for Shining in that regard to say he fails to comment on anything but him. On my way home early, the lightheadedness is real. And thanks James. I'll vent on Steam about RL if I get the chance. | ||
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On DYH, definitely odd how looking at timestamps, that progression. I looked at his filter quickly and he responds on things related to Palmar/Shining but didn't reconsider Trfel or at least that reaction in conjunction with something else, since I believe Trfel was up late in skimming. Unless there was reason not to, there was a lack of followup there. On December 01 2015 11:40 kushm4sta wrote: Shining looking like a decent d1 lynch I guess. Reasoning is that if Palmer called me 100 percent scum I'd be like lol. Instead he doth protest too much, Not sure I like this reaction from kushmasta either. He makes an assumption that Shining would or should react the same way he does. It is why I asked Shining what his other reads were, and they looked reasonable at first glance last night. Also begs the question why he's still voting Rels or why he feels Rels initial push was worse than Shining's. I'm lying down for a few hours, any more questions, fire away. | ||
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Also I can't see where you are trying to go with Damdred v Trfel either, but that was the last post you made before going to bed. | ||
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On December 02 2015 00:19 Rels wrote: Sure. I remember you having a good read on LS. What is your read on him this game ? He didn't post before I went to bed, so hang tight whilst I look through. | ||
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That said I think of all the posts he has I would focus on 257 and 272 for potential issues. 257 On December 01 2015 12:18 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I had just got home and read and Tfrel tried to snipe me when I was gone even though in the pregame I EVEN TOLD EVERYONE I WAS GOING TO BE GONE TILL NOW -_- Here the quote for proof: Anyways Tfrel seems like a scumlean for now for trying to snipe me and tried to case Damdred when Damdred caught tfrel on the fact that I told everyone I wasn't going to be here till now. Palmar seems town for now he actually being serious although I don't think Shining is really scum yet but he fooled me till later in my last game when he was scum. I also liking Damdred this game for his responses and actually trying to hunt scum. I need more time on MD because his play style is so weird my experience playing with him and hosting/cohosting games involving him. DYH seems townlean he actually tried to comment on stuff that is relevant to the game. @kush: If you are here what you think of Shining vs Palmar? @Palmar: Okay if Shining is town then who is mafia and why? Also some Christmas pictures for Palmar because I know he's a huge sucker for Christmas: ![[image loading]](http://soclday.com/p/2015/10/images-of-christmas-xaqo9t5w.jpg) Couple of questions - I'm not sure whether LS is trying to meta Palmar from the way he's phrasing it. The reason I am stating this is that assuming he is NOT, then townreading someone for being serious....usually a serious tone is grounds for a scumread. If the context is with respect to Palmar's CASE on Shining then I'm not sure how else he could have gone about saying that because cases in general (ignoring Palmar's meta) are serious. In which case, that part is scummy, cases couldn't be light tone or generally arent' so that would fall in the category of posting just to post. On Shining, the fear read is NAI, provided he has an adequate reason/basis to actually fear read. The problem comes later in 272 when he comments on what HE thinks about Fidei and not what Shining thinks about Fidei revealing about Shining or whether that changes his read. [QUOTE]On December 01 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote: [QUOTE]On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote: It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?[/QUOTE] I was just trying to see if your thoughts had changed since you cooled off. Anyways I think Palmar is town he did this very similarly how he did when I first played with him in Metal Mini when I was town vs his town. Damdred is town like I said earlier I liked his responses since it's a Damdred thought. James is null atm because he went straight to bed afterwards. Also Hi Damdred how are you?[/QUOTE] So LS a bit more specific on that - not what you thought about James but what you thought about Shining saying about James. The part about Trfel trying to case Damdred, I have to look at that again and see if whether there is a scum basis for that makes his statement reasonable or not. Knowing the SOTW 2 play, it's not outside of the realm of town LS to throw his thoughts out like this but I still find it strange there is no read on Shining or at least him trying to isolate Shining's reaction from the fear read. I don't necessarily think it's mafia indicative yet as I recall other people's fear reads on say ritoky, Kita, etc a lot of people just may not bother reading people at all. The potential concern arises though when things happen after the fact and he won't or doesn't consider it. Right now I'm going to say null/scumlean with a series of questions. There is the mafia characteristic for what he stated on Palmar, I can't figure out why he'd say him being serious is town (assuming I have context correct) when it's pretty much apparent unless he's trying to say Palmar is a jokey person as mafia and is otherwise here, but that's not how I'm reading this. There also is me wondering why he didn't try and contrast his read on Fidei versus Shining's and how he got there. "Going to bed" (I'm taking this as "lack of activity") wasn't IMO the proper metric to gauge that read, but I want to give LS a chance on fleshing out those reads. | ||
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