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ebwop - "you" being The Shining.
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On December 09 2015 08:10 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 08:08 Rels wrote:On December 09 2015 08:06 The Shining wrote:
You're fucking welcome. Yesssss.
I think disfo is last scum. He switched onto ff too easy. I need to filter check him just in case but I think I have this game figured out. I don't agree. He could sit on DYH if he's scum without a problem. I think DYH is the last scum. Yeah votes indicate that disformation hammered. IDK. What is the scum motive to hammer when you are already down the roleblocker?
Infinite town cred when that scum is already under suspicion. Which points to disfo and trfel but he led this so Idk
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Fecalfeast flipped mafia.
He was on Trfel from the off.
Ergo, disformation is more likely than Trfel.
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I think this is one of those times where the value of experience shows.
I may not be that good at mafia, but sometimes, experience plays a huge role XD
Anyway, off for the night. And Rels, if you're town..... tsk tsk. You should know better. Well, okay, if you're scum, you should know better too!
(no, that's not a scumread, that's teasing....)
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I think I'm using correct voting analysis. HTS tried to walk through it with me once post-Newbie 14.
We have the outliers but, if I had to isolate those two wagons...
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@NM
It has to be one of you and Rels. In what universe does mafia not solidly vote together on a lynch, given that town was so hopelessly fractured (in part my bad).
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On December 09 2015 08:12 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 08:09 Rels wrote:On December 09 2015 08:08 Rels wrote:On December 09 2015 08:08 The Shining wrote:On December 09 2015 08:04 Rels wrote:On December 09 2015 08:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation These are confirmed town =D Perfect Not necessarily. Disfo is on my and dyhs radar. And no one wanted to lynch disfo. NM and you both posted a possible Yolo vote on ff so he could've felt the pressure and jumped for town cred Pretty sure he voted before both NM and I said that. I was wrong. Hmmmm alright. Well I'll tell you what. We have all of night phase then. I'll look into disformation since you clearly earned that once with this lynch. I had no reason to scumread you before so obviously...
Hear hear. There is one scum left. It's 6:1.
Nk tonight. 5:1.
ML 4:1
Nk 3:1
IF IT'S 3:1 TOWN SHOULD SLEEP. NO BLUE FLIP = BLUE CLAIMS.
then 2:1 lylo
We still have a mislynch. Everyone should post their 2 lynches that solve the game. Im thinking disfo/dyh. DISFO FIRST. Everyone else go
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On December 09 2015 08:20 Fidei86 wrote:
@NM
It has to be one of you and Rels. In what universe does mafia not solidly vote together on a lynch, given that town was so hopelessly fractured (in part my bad).
Because if ff flips, that's pretty much claiming scum to the person who is town.
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On December 09 2015 08:20 Fidei86 wrote:
@NM
It has to be one of you and Rels. In what universe does mafia not solidly vote together on a lynch, given that town was so hopelessly fractured (in part my bad).
they vote together like that they'd give themselves away too easily. this wasn't mylo, we have 3 mislynches left. you would be correct in mylo/lylo.
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TLDR of The Shinings scum read on me:
Less waffly? Scum read.
Actually pushes people? Scum read.
Semi decent case? Scum read.
Hammers Scum? Scum read.
Super fun. 
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On December 09 2015 08:22 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 08:12 NocturneMage wrote:On December 09 2015 08:09 Rels wrote:On December 09 2015 08:08 Rels wrote:On December 09 2015 08:08 The Shining wrote:On December 09 2015 08:04 Rels wrote:On December 09 2015 08:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation These are confirmed town =D Perfect Not necessarily. Disfo is on my and dyhs radar. And no one wanted to lynch disfo. NM and you both posted a possible Yolo vote on ff so he could've felt the pressure and jumped for town cred Pretty sure he voted before both NM and I said that. I was wrong. Hmmmm alright. Well I'll tell you what. We have all of night phase then. I'll look into disformation since you clearly earned that once with this lynch. I had no reason to scumread you before so obviously... Hear hear. There is one scum left. It's 6:1. Nk tonight. 5:1. ML 4:1 Nk 3:1 IF IT'S 3:1 TOWN SHOULD SLEEP. NO BLUE FLIP = BLUE CLAIMS. then 2:1 lylo We still have a mislynch. Everyone should post their 2 lynches that solve the game. Im thinking disfo/dyh. DISFO FIRST. Everyone else go
Well, town has a bunch of misslynches so if I have to flip green for you to finally lynch DYH I'll gladly do so for ya. 
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LS saying vig/cop him as last mafia doesn't really make sense.
I'm going to say disformation and DYH. Which one first, IDK.
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On December 09 2015 08:25 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 08:20 Fidei86 wrote:
@NM
It has to be one of you and Rels. In what universe does mafia not solidly vote together on a lynch, given that town was so hopelessly fractured (in part my bad). they vote together like that they'd give themselves away too easily. this wasn't mylo, we have 3 mislynches left. you would be correct in mylo/lylo.
+1
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On December 09 2015 08:25 disformation wrote:TLDR of The Shinings scum read on me: Less waffly? Scum read. Actually pushes people? Scum read. Semi decent case? Scum read. Hammers Scum? Scum read. Super fun.
Is it horrible of me to say this is somewhat accurate? You haven't rolled scum in past games and didn't do any of these in those games. It seriously hinders my ability to tr you.
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I remember thinking that if FF was scum, DYH was a likely partner because of these:
On December 04 2015 10:24 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh? I don't think I can compete with Trfel. This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1. Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either. Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic...  Btw, do you have a read on DYH?
On December 04 2015 10:33 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 10:24 disformation wrote:On December 04 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
I replaced into one of these high effort games eh? I don't think I can compete with Trfel. This HtS thing is super confusing to me right now, so I was trying to find something in the EoD1. Like Trfel is sending mixed signal, NocturneMage replaced into a super shady looking slot with some shady looking entry posts and the guy I have a scum read on (DYH) hesitates not a second to vote with NM... though after rereading DYH's case on HtS it isn't bad... which brings me to the next point: If I ignore HtS's sickness, she doesn't good either. Can't even hope that Damdred comes in, drops three one liners, and drops some of his logic... Btw, do you have a read on DYH? not yet no
On December 05 2015 08:17 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok am at work what's up boys I see hts still hasn't popped up? Guess she gave up?
Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet?
On December 05 2015 08:28 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 08:17 disformation wrote:On December 05 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok am at work what's up boys I see hts still hasn't popped up? Guess she gave up?
Hmmm... I think her last post was at start of N1 when kush flipped? So possible. Currently looking at Fidei86's filter. Any questions for me while I am around? Have you looked at DYH, yet? Right, no, on it chief.
On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH?
On December 05 2015 11:07 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 11:02 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:24 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:15 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 05 2015 10:15 LightningStrike wrote:On December 05 2015 10:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
yo LS you were sad that I brushed you off before what've you got for me Ya I was wanting to know if you gotten anything from filter diving that the people you said you were going to? didn't do it, who again? I forgot you said you had 150 posts you catch up on I mean that. Did you get anything from those 150 posts that you were catching up on? i only really commented on the palmar/fidei interaction but I think the lack of HTS + the lack of any real resistance to the HTS lynch means this is probably a full-steam-ahead bus situation. I think that trfel has been acting strange but outside of what I've already said I've not read much further into him. I think you're a little to focused on yourself, LS and would like to see sme reads from you. On December 05 2015 00:04 LightningStrike wrote:BTW James I did say some of my treads throughout my filter but here is a list if you really need one -_- Town: Palmar: Meta says town for him here with his push on Shining look exactly like he did to me in Metal Mini FF: Lazy FF is normally town FF from what I remember but I want him to do more work Rels: He actually put out some cases mainly his case on FYH seems to stick out to me a little and when he was scum I don't remember him casing multiple people O_o Shining: His responses and his questioning seem like Town Shining this game. Tfrel: He did try to case people yes but he done it as scum but he seem much more serious tone here but I should prob check the scum game that some of you guys said this similar to his play there. NM: He went super tryhard right out of the gates but my only issue with him like Rels said is that he not as analyical as I remember him being. Null: HTS: Some of her content seems questionable but she not feeling exactly well either but I willing to give her another day for now to have her feel better and post again. James: It might be a long time but I don't think I ever seen james get so tunneled on me ever O_o But his content is okay. Scum: DYH His read progression is very weird like it doesn't feel natural. Plus some of stuff seems like it adds little value. If I missing anyone let me know. Plus disformation being town he contributed a good amount and brought up stuff that people had overlooked or no one was willing to. could you expand upon your DYH read since we're talking about him right now?
These are weird because FF didn't have a read on DYH for the whole game.
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On December 09 2015 08:33 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 08:25 disformation wrote:TLDR of The Shinings scum read on me: Less waffly? Scum read. Actually pushes people? Scum read. Semi decent case? Scum read. Hammers Scum? Scum read. Super fun. Is it horrible of me to say this is somewhat accurate? You haven't rolled scum in past games and didn't do any of these in those games. It seriously hinders my ability to tr you.
Noted. Instead of getting better at the game I shall remain stagnant. Doesn't seem to matter much whether I get scum read for being waffly or not being waffly. -.-
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In any case though I'm happy we lynched scum, I'm really frustrated at how play was going before end of cycle.
I felt the way some of the shit I was looking at was counterintuitive for town play. Like how the fuck am I supposed to read the unreadable?
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On December 09 2015 08:45 NocturneMage wrote:
In any case though I'm happy we lynched scum, I'm really frustrated at how play was going before end of cycle.
I felt the way some of the shit I was looking at was counterintuitive for town play. Like how the fuck am I supposed to read the unreadable?
How ?? play ?
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Any more questions for me let me know. Almost midnight here so I'm doing a round of League to relax and calling it a night.
Night.
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Good night bro. I think FF confirmed you as town. Will reread tomorrow to confirm, but it looked that way.
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