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I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter.
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On December 09 2015 07:49 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 07:44 disformation wrote:On December 09 2015 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 09 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On December 09 2015 07:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Shenanigans onto fecalfeast then? I couldn't care less about this game right now. I thought you prided yourself in being an unexpectedly hard mislynch? As I recall from last game, "it's encouraging that this is all the scummer has to push on". I just spent 2 full days playing fallout and tinkering with my PC. I just caught up on the entire day phase now. If I die I don't have to read and mafia is never going t shoot me got any reads from catching up? At first I got thevibe you were coasiting along but then your case dropped and I forgave you LS is honestly probably not scum but I think I have missed a few games with LS lately maybe he's changed? As scum he usually just shuts down from what I remember. Rels seems to be slowly dropping off but I can't really say my words hold much weight in that department NM is ignoring anyone who mentions me which is weird as I'm fairly aware of how scum likes to treat me when I'm town Trfel has the same icon as rels now and I've been mixing their posts up and am thinkning I need to reread lol but I have no time
This was his first mention of Rels in any sort of trying to read him. A soft push AFTER he was already being lynched. Other than that, he straight up ignored Rels. But they voted together on Trfel. Hm.
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On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter. I think I can guess it. Does he mention you too ?
He tried to pin the Kush mislynch on me like HtS did. A few times. Kinda spewed me town there lol
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On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter. The most important thing is how ff ask three people to expand his read on dyh. This is the big thing
Right but one post you used is actually quite telling about DYH's alignment. He had DYH as town and needed a reason to backtrack on that to ML if need be. One post, FF said "lets say HTS flips red here. What does that make you think of DYH?" I don't think I've ever seen scum mention his entire team in a post like that. The way that post read, its like he wanted someone to imply HTS flipping red implicates DYH flipping red, too. That's suicide as a scumteam, especially now that FF flipped, too.
It's like the Kush thing. If he can be convinced like HtS to vote because someone else lead it, and vote DYH, he can absolve himslef of blame for the mislynch.
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On December 12 2015 06:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 06:33 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 06:29 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 06:26 The Shining wrote:
I know something that cant be proven wrong.
Part of your DYH case refers to FFs interactions and lack of reads on DYH. I bet you'd never guess who else he almost literally never mentions in his filter. I think I can guess it. Does he mention you too ? He tried to pin the Kush mislynch on me like HtS did. A few times. Kinda spewed me town there lol He tried to attack fidei for that. Why was dyh scumreading disfo and why did he vote him at deadline ?
Not true. He even said that even though Fidei pushed Kush first, that it wasn't until I voted that the floodgates opened onto Kush. He didn't suspect Fidei over it until Fidei defended himself "weirdly.". Makes me think Fid was spewed town, too.
DYH had disfo as a townlean until he read HtS filter and saw her interactions with him vice everyone else in thread and saw them as bland/telling. He also did this before my case on Disfo came but I saw these same things, which makes me think it's very possible that case came from town.
If he's scum, he voted Disfo AFTER Fecal hit 3 votes, effectively hammering him, as well, when he could've voted Trfel to save him. That's why I think both LS and DYH are town here. Either one, if scum, could have voted Trfel to save FF.
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On December 03 2015 08:41 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote:
Fuck it. I'm down. Shenanny onto kush. Let's do it. I'd say since fid's post didn't really get talked about while shining's seemed to trigger the floodgates that shining is more responsible for the voteswitch.Damdred you "voted" fid (not in the vote thread) when you came back to the thread today what's your read on him now that the dust has settled? I think shining asks you this pre deadline but with him trying to start the train does that change anything? Also I'm still a little perplexed by your LS townread. You were hard scumming him and him making a post saying he's VT while people are switching votes 1 min before an active deadline makes him lock town? IDK maybe I operate on another level but 1 minute is a long time when you're at a computer and he could have seen the votes switching.
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On December 04 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote:I think fidei's passive 'switch to kush' wasn't actually trying to start shenanigans but the way he's playing it off now makes it suspicious. Like he says here (in the nested quote) that he didn't think people would follow him ontoi that shitty lynch. If it was shitty... Why was he there?Show nested quote +On December 04 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:On December 04 2015 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 09:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey, I was surprised as everyone else that you all followed me into that shitty lynch. But technically Palmar was the first mover, I was just the first one to urge everyone to switch. Why did I scowl so hard after reading this post? That was weird maybe because it sort of reads like I (a) say you all followed me into the lynch and (b) it actually wasn't my fault. I'm sort of trying to have my cake and eat it. You're right. I wasn't the first person to have the idea, but I probably was the one that caused it. I was wrong and I'm sorry. Then this pandering to me when I call out the post, without actually voicing any concern. Fidei doesn't ask me to explain he knows he looks bad because he's thinking about his image. He even apologizes to me when I literally said nothing of value about his post. The shining, I haven't read his filter tbh but he's got a decent tone in his recent posts that makes me think he's town but I skim a lot lol.HTS was really pushing hard that you(LS) were town and switched to kush pretty easily from what I recall following the EoD before I replaced in. Another filter I'll have to look at. OK so I only have strong feelings on fidei (scummy) right now I will check out HTS and shining
Last 2 posts I made make me think Fidei is town.
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On December 05 2015 10:55 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2015 10:29 Trfel wrote:On December 05 2015 10:06 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 04 2015 10:51 disformation wrote:Too make my argument a bit more readable: - scum is hiding in the middleground
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 08:30 DoYouHas wrote:I don't like a lot about Trfel right now. I don't like that he made a mountain out of a molehill with Damdred and did a snap OMGUS. I don't like how he is sliding between sheeping Palmar and Rels. I don't like how he is complaining that Damdred won't work with him, which should not matter unless his read did a 180 and he is confident Damdred is town, and I really don't like this: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 02:24 Trfel wrote:
I realized that DoYouHas' activity fits a mafia motivation fairly strongly, assuming that Damdred is town. And still fits somewhat if Damdred is mafia. A strong scumread on me with no explanation, even when pressed. Maybe he just doesn't have a good explanation at this point. Side note, he complains that Damdred won't work with him but refuses to work with Damdred when he gets pressed on his reasoning for attacking me. The conciliatory nature of some of Trfels posts gave me pause since he was so bullheaded with his scumgame last time but I would definitely put him top of my list at the moment. I get the town feels from a lot of the movers and shakers this game which makes me think that scum are hiding in the middle ground, so that is where I'm going to look next. P.S. I wasn't trying excuse a lack of posting. I was pointing out that there are large stretches of time where I cannot post. People seemed to be jumping on the wagon simply because I was afk.
- Was reading the middleground ppl (Fid,HtS,LS,disfo), but haven't got anything out of it
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
- "Got no scumreads" (really?) "so i am sheeping town" "btw disfo totally town now"
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 07:36 DoYouHas wrote:
Welp, if you don't have good scumreads, sheep the wagon of your townreads.
##Vote: LS On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Wat? I have pointed this problem out, Rels has pointed this out, but nothing happens. can you flesh out why you think this progression is scummy any further? I'm looking at this filter and while it's a little short on portion size it's looking pretty well explained. Not to mention the fact that if HTS flips red here the fact remains that he brought her up as a potential target before NM + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2015 11:08 NocturneMage wrote:
hts is a sleazeball as mafia, I love her to death, but I'll pretty much know immediately if she's mafia because I obviously know her in real life and if she's out of bounds with her personality, she is almost certainly mafia. obviously if I think she's mafia, I will case her in a way that doesn't require you to know her in real life. unless her dota friends want to argue they have some feels on her from external behaviour. rels, fidei? I'm looking at you two.
although seeing doyouhas' post, if hts got someone lynched who was scumreading her, that is a major red flag in my book. that is routine mafia play for her. dani as mafia will absolutely push the lynches of the people who want her dead. so dyh, what was her role in the lynch? I'm clearly not playing this game right because I actually really, really like what disformation says here. But I didn't care that much when he first said it  Basically, DoYouHas (in the middle of Day 1 ish) stated that he was going to take a look at the people in the "middle" (because he felt that the most active/vocal people were town). Fair enough. He looked at Fidei86, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, and disformation, and didn't get anything out of it. I'm not sure if this means he didn't get any scumreads out of this or if he didn't get any reads at all from this, if I can catch DoYouHas sometime I'd like to ask this. From this, two things happened. First, he came up with a townread on disformation (because he was sheeping the wagon of his townreads, and mentioned disformation). Second, he got a scumread and case on Half the Sky Night 1, despite not getting much scummy (presumably) from her filter earlier. Hm, I guess this makes sense. Maybe I need to look more closely but let's assume there's no shenanigans tomorrow and HTS flips red. What does that make you think of DYH?
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Its interesting you'd ask me to quote that post when you used it in your DYH case...
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I understand you're busy and whatnot but you know you and I have shitfought over our alignments in past games right? This unconcerned tone while being lynched is pretty offsetting to me. Like how does this come from town fighting to lynch scum and fighting off a mislynch?
As for it being partner indicative, I really don't think so. It implies that Fecal was trying to fish to get DYH accused of bussing. Like if they're partners and both bussing, you don't ask town "hey do you think my partner is bussing or not?" That can go so wrong.
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On December 12 2015 07:05 Rels wrote:
Now that my game is over: look for how ff posted about chrom. There is a good koshi post about it.
You just sent me to go find a post in a 27 page Koshi filter. But looking at FFs filter there(i was reading that game, knowing he rolled scum was part of why I scummed him for being unmotivated this game), im not sure I see it. He directly spoke to Chrom and even voted him. He didn't do any of that on DYH here. There he spoke to Chrom. Here he spoke about DYH. But he did neither for you. Its not a good heuristic to go by to read either of you.
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On December 12 2015 07:16 Fidei86 wrote:
Rels and TS I'm at a party. I think TS is town. Would you two stop fucking flirting and come to a landing point so I can sheep? Otherwise I want to stay on Rels.
As of right now my vote is on Rels...
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On December 12 2015 07:13 DoYouHas wrote:
Start of d4 I hadn't caught up on the thread much or really looked at alternatives. I wanted to get something posted since I hadn't really played for a day and then I had my super long day where I couldn't play.
So you hadnt read my night case on Disfo either when you voted?
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On December 12 2015 07:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 07:19 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 07:05 Rels wrote:
Now that my game is over: look for how ff posted about chrom. There is a good koshi post about it. You just sent me to go find a post in a 27 page Koshi filter. But looking at FFs filter there(i was reading that game, knowing he rolled scum was part of why I scummed him for being unmotivated this game), im not sure I see it. He directly spoke to Chrom and even voted him. He didn't do any of that on DYH here. There he spoke to Chrom. Here he spoke about DYH. But he did neither for you. Its not a good heuristic to go by to read either of you. Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 10:17 Koshi wrote:
fefe is also really focussed on Chrome. Always says "nice read on Chrome, figure more stuff out" but never helps.
From reading fefe filter a couple times I think GB and OO are in the clear.
Would be nice if the paranoia train people would actually read some fucking filters. Start with fefe and Scott. And tell mewhat you think. Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 11:37 Koshi wrote:On November 26 2015 07:59 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 26 2015 04:04 boxerfred wrote:On November 25 2015 11:53 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 25 2015 11:43 GlowingBear wrote:On November 25 2015 11:39 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 25 2015 11:35 Koshi wrote:
I wonder where Diablo II sits on my best games I played list. Under Warcraft III, C& C: Red alert, WoW, Dota. Somewhere there? I played Diablo II so many hours. I'm relentlessly biased toward that game. Including LoD I'd put it in my top 3 easily up there with brood war and Heroes of newerth.+ Show Spoiler +HoN with a playerbase = best MOBA LOL No. Btw FF can you post with your original account just to make sure you are FF? oh no oops wrong accouuuunntttt was just building up my great theory how you're fakeclaiming being FF. neat, right? anyone still being off-topic (like talking about D3 and shit) is scummy in my eyes.koshi feels exactly like I got to know him in the banlist - spammy and yolo'y (does that even exist) so town On November 25 2015 12:37 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:
Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.
Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.
SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.
Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere sicklucker I'm not sure about. I agree he could be mafia for his push over something which I agree wasn't alignment indicative, but I liked that he didn't back down about it when he came under pressure. Ticktock I agree with your point, plus he just kind of came in and posted those non-opinions on FF and then peaced out. Koshi I don't have a read on. Let me expand on what I mean about OO: On November 25 2015 07:58 ObviousOne wrote:On November 25 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote:
And yes i am role hunting explain On November 25 2015 08:07 ObviousOne wrote:
how can you be rolehunting when the op says everyone is vanilla? On November 25 2015 08:10 ObviousOne wrote:
tbh it looks to me like you either a) lied about rolehunting when you meant smurfhunting and then stuck to your lie for whatever reason or b) didn't read the setup or c) you're mafia and just hinted at the hidden mechanic sicklucker posts his stuff about FF's claim being weird and also makes a comment about rolehunting. OO jumps on the "rolehunting" part of it, which is the part that looks weird and is easy to jump on as mafia (I was interested in his read on FF from it). The third post is the one I particularly didn't like. The whole post says nothing at all (no conclusion or any point for the post), it seems like it's just a poor attempt to explain why he jumped on the rolehunting comment when it clearly didn't mean much. this post feels totally forced and Im not sure if i like it. blabla ask me questions im in thread although tired af Couple questions, who is still being fluffy, or was when you made this post? I'd like to see who you're scumming based on the bolded. Can you elaborate on what chrome's post is lacking or containing to make it seem forced to you? The biggest fucking boner from Chrom. Literally if anybody said anything about Chrom fefe jumped on it. This is what I mean.
You think he'd do the same thing in back to back scum games? From what I read, it doesn't seem as pronounced here as it was there. It's equally plausible that because he did that last game, he'd completely ignore his partners this game.
Ugh. One of you is scum and I want to be on the right wagon. What do
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On December 12 2015 07:24 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 07:23 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 07:13 DoYouHas wrote:
Start of d4 I hadn't caught up on the thread much or really looked at alternatives. I wanted to get something posted since I hadn't really played for a day and then I had my super long day where I couldn't play. So you hadnt read my night case on Disfo either when you voted? Nope
This is kinda bad but does scum admit this in thread. Hoping I'd move off of FF and bring another with me would've gotten disfo lynched and also saves FF...but again...does scum admit this in thread?
My head hurts.
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On December 12 2015 07:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 07:26 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 07:22 Rels wrote:On December 12 2015 07:19 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 07:05 Rels wrote:
Now that my game is over: look for how ff posted about chrom. There is a good koshi post about it. You just sent me to go find a post in a 27 page Koshi filter. But looking at FFs filter there(i was reading that game, knowing he rolled scum was part of why I scummed him for being unmotivated this game), im not sure I see it. He directly spoke to Chrom and even voted him. He didn't do any of that on DYH here. There he spoke to Chrom. Here he spoke about DYH. But he did neither for you. Its not a good heuristic to go by to read either of you. On December 06 2015 10:17 Koshi wrote:
fefe is also really focussed on Chrome. Always says "nice read on Chrome, figure more stuff out" but never helps.
From reading fefe filter a couple times I think GB and OO are in the clear.
Would be nice if the paranoia train people would actually read some fucking filters. Start with fefe and Scott. And tell mewhat you think. On December 06 2015 11:37 Koshi wrote:On November 26 2015 07:59 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 26 2015 04:04 boxerfred wrote:On November 25 2015 11:53 Fecalfeast wrote:On November 25 2015 11:43 GlowingBear wrote:On November 25 2015 11:39 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 25 2015 11:35 Koshi wrote:
I wonder where Diablo II sits on my best games I played list. Under Warcraft III, C& C: Red alert, WoW, Dota. Somewhere there? I played Diablo II so many hours. I'm relentlessly biased toward that game. Including LoD I'd put it in my top 3 easily up there with brood war and Heroes of newerth.+ Show Spoiler +HoN with a playerbase = best MOBA LOL No. Btw FF can you post with your original account just to make sure you are FF? oh no oops wrong accouuuunntttt was just building up my great theory how you're fakeclaiming being FF. neat, right? anyone still being off-topic (like talking about D3 and shit) is scummy in my eyes.koshi feels exactly like I got to know him in the banlist - spammy and yolo'y (does that even exist) so town On November 25 2015 12:37 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:
Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.
Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.
SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.
Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere sicklucker I'm not sure about. I agree he could be mafia for his push over something which I agree wasn't alignment indicative, but I liked that he didn't back down about it when he came under pressure. Ticktock I agree with your point, plus he just kind of came in and posted those non-opinions on FF and then peaced out. Koshi I don't have a read on. Let me expand on what I mean about OO: On November 25 2015 07:58 ObviousOne wrote:On November 25 2015 07:57 sicklucker wrote:
And yes i am role hunting explain On November 25 2015 08:07 ObviousOne wrote:
how can you be rolehunting when the op says everyone is vanilla? On November 25 2015 08:10 ObviousOne wrote:
tbh it looks to me like you either a) lied about rolehunting when you meant smurfhunting and then stuck to your lie for whatever reason or b) didn't read the setup or c) you're mafia and just hinted at the hidden mechanic sicklucker posts his stuff about FF's claim being weird and also makes a comment about rolehunting. OO jumps on the "rolehunting" part of it, which is the part that looks weird and is easy to jump on as mafia (I was interested in his read on FF from it). The third post is the one I particularly didn't like. The whole post says nothing at all (no conclusion or any point for the post), it seems like it's just a poor attempt to explain why he jumped on the rolehunting comment when it clearly didn't mean much. this post feels totally forced and Im not sure if i like it. blabla ask me questions im in thread although tired af Couple questions, who is still being fluffy, or was when you made this post? I'd like to see who you're scumming based on the bolded. Can you elaborate on what chrome's post is lacking or containing to make it seem forced to you? The biggest fucking boner from Chrom. Literally if anybody said anything about Chrom fefe jumped on it. This is what I mean. You think he'd do the same thing in back to back scum games? From what I read, it doesn't seem as pronounced here as it was there. It's equally plausible that because he did that last game, he'd completely ignore his partners this game. Ugh. One of you is scum and I want to be on the right wagon. What do NM is confirmed town in your mind ???
No. We have 3 mislynches and I've accepted disfo as town. Rels/NM/DYH win this game for town. I'm just trying to figure out the order, particularly if I get shot tonight.
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On December 12 2015 07:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 07:29 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 07:24 DoYouHas wrote:On December 12 2015 07:23 The Shining wrote:On December 12 2015 07:13 DoYouHas wrote:
Start of d4 I hadn't caught up on the thread much or really looked at alternatives. I wanted to get something posted since I hadn't really played for a day and then I had my super long day where I couldn't play. So you hadnt read my night case on Disfo either when you voted? Nope This is kinda bad but does scum admit this in thread. Hoping I'd move off of FF and bring another with me would've gotten disfo lynched and also saves FF...but again...does scum admit this in thread? My head hurts. "does scum say the answer that make them look town" Mm ... I'm gonna go with yes
It's more looking too scummy to be scum than looking town. But recent games have proven too scummy to be scum could still be scum. Hm.
Weighing a 15 page filter vs a 3 page filter makes this much harder, too.
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On December 12 2015 07:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 07:35 NocturneMage wrote:
mobile, catching up. but I'm here. Just letting you know that if you're town, you're dumb. If you're mafia, you're toasted by that opportunistic vote. Either way you're bad =D
This isn't that fair because your vote on Trfel when FF was lynched was arguably just as bad or worse =/
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On December 12 2015 07:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 07:03 The Shining wrote:
I understand you're busy and whatnot but you know you and I have shitfought over our alignments in past games right? This unconcerned tone while being lynched is pretty offsetting to me. Like how does this come from town fighting to lynch scum and fighting off a mislynch? "but now that you are on a comp fighting for your life I will get back to my other reasons to lynch you"
This is bad but here's my main issue. We lynch DYH today and say he flips town. That's one Rels voter dead. Fidei or I get shot tonight. NM Will live because he is the other Trfel voter and subject to suspicion. LS Disfo and Rels obvs won't lynch Rels. Rels survives and if he's scum wins the game.
Opposite scenario. Lynch Rels. If he does flip town, Disfo will still try to get DYH lynched and I think he gets more support than anyone could VS Rels.
I'm trying to figure out which is the better scenario for town to win if we mislynch today
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On December 12 2015 07:40 NocturneMage wrote:
and trying to pick back up on Rels' filter as well.
I'm honestly grappling here. There is nothing right now that is screaming mafia about DYH. I really feel the case being made against him is 50/50 at best. I tried lining all shit up, I tried isolating his case against hts, like I said time and again there's an equal possibility he could have pushed the Dani lynch on his own. there are certain elements of her play that could have allowed him to do this.
my other hesistancy is that the points being made is that ff is the one making the points and dyh never got to him for all I could tell. like I thought and thought, I mean I could honestly see this go either way. ff can spout off whatever.
scum have a general generic tendency to fall off but this, dyh just seems like someone who is damned busy to play.
the only thing that jumps at me is voting disformation in the event that disformation is town but that's unflipped association.
This feela like possible distancing/TMI about DYH. Tempted to lynch DYH and NM if he flips town now, ugh.
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