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On December 06 2015 10:32 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 10:19 The Shining wrote:On December 06 2015 10:13 Trfel wrote:On December 06 2015 10:06 NocturneMage wrote:
Yeah LS, everyone else, like I said, don't even waste your time looking at anything she posted after 2230, it's WIFOM, I know it, just trust me, she's a confirmed weasel. She is trying to fuck with your mind.
In any case, I'll pick up tomorrow. Good night. Half the Sky is trying to WIFOM LightningStrike and she's really good at it. But..... On December 06 2015 09:24 NocturneMage wrote:
shining re: your post
well somewhere I'm wrong on Palmar/LS/Trfel/DYH as scumleans because there are only two scummers left.
I really honestly don't know where the LS townreads are coming from, when I afked around I think 1800 or whatever my time I tried to see him in a town lens but every interaction just keeps pointing me back to a VERY strong associative read between LS and HTS, like I'm sure it's LS/HTS/+1.
He didn't push HTS, it was questions/soft pushing at best and then he says that her end of cycle was questionable and I said then why didn't you push her on it? that should have been priority 1. and then he asks her a question after the fact.
then I afked, but I didn't read anything after that. Bold emphasis mine. This is actually pretty good but I'm not sure it makes NM scum here. You're basically saying he's scumming LS but then talking to him about HtS like he's town, right? This is one reason, I have probably at least 50 reasons of about this strength. Unfortunately, this isn't terribly strong, because talking to a scumread like they're town is something that town does too. However, this is the absolute biggest example of this that I have ever seen, because of the hard transition and he's talking about the same two people. Don't worry, I'll show why NocturneMage is scum at some point. And the tone, asking LightningStrike to trust him... even if talking to a scumread like they're town isn't the best tell, this can't be ignored. Anyway, I looked through Half the Sky's filter. The way that Half the Sky switched to vote for LightningStrike makes it look like LightningStrike is town. Half the Sky put a lot of effort into trying to figure out LightningStrike's alignment, and eventually came to a null or a town lean or something like that (I forget, for the purposes of this it doesn't matter much). After all that, once the lynch started going to LightningStrike, she switched her vote really easily with the only reason presented being this: Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:54 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Back from class after some relaxation. On December 02 2015 07:18 Rels wrote:
LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ? Idk yet this game is getting a little hard. I wish that Onegu and Kush actually do stuff so I can flesh them out in terms of alignment. Otherwise after considering that he did his thing on me as a trap(if I reading this correctly) Tfrel moved to null for now but still it was kind of a weird thing to do for him. Idk why people having trouble with DYS? I see him more of a newbie player than a veteran player honestly so(shrugs). So nothing yet for a team. On December 03 2015 03:16 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:13 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:On December 03 2015 03:01 LightningStrike wrote:On December 03 2015 02:58 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return. First of all, really sorry that you aren't feeling well. Hope you can recover soon. Why did you vote for DoYouHas instead of kushm4sta? Why didn't you include LightningStrike in the lynch list? Now that he's (at least mostly, I think?) answered your questions, what do you think about him? Why did your read on me (Trfel) change? read her filter if you want to see her progression on me  + Show Spoiler + And where did you get that conclusion from? On December 02 2015 04:38 Half the Sky wrote:On December 02 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I here now and Tfrel I did answer HTS just not directly quoted. On December 02 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Looking at 346/349 -
LS, I'm not referring to meta. Let's make sure I'm not misunderstanding you here.
I'm not talking about Palmar's tone in general. I'm talking about his case. If you read the context differently, then tell me how you interpreted that.
You are saying that he's town because his tone is serious and from 349 it's based on meta. Okay fine, but regardless of meta, why would Palmar's case NOT be serious? What I'm trying to say here is that you are townreading him for a poor reason. I didn't say it wasn't serious? Anyways the way he argued Shining like I said had a serious tone plus like said he did a very similar thing to me in Metal Mini when I was fighting him and felt frustrated with him. It took me a bit of arguing to get him to townread me in that game because I was still a newbie lol.... So it a little both but more towards personal experience with him. Argh, no. I am saying that you said his tone is serious. In any case, you want to say you are giving a personal read towards him. Alright, I still think this is a bad read because like I said before Palmar really can't be done off one read, but now that I've fleshed it out I don't think you are mafia for this. Still need to read the rest of your filter in conjunction with Trfel/Damdred when I return though. Yeah.... "I don't think you are mafia for this" means that Half the Sky is not scum reading you for one specific thing in your filter. As in, she could be scum reading you for the entire rest of your filter. And that's not a townread on that one thing either. Does anyone know if LightningStrike is generally this self-conscious as town with regards to other people's townreads on him? To make a big jump like this and try to assume everything is a townread? Because this is making me doubt my earlier town lean on him. It's implied I thought O_o(At least how I read it and I hope she gets better soon honestly) Also for note you played a shit ton of games with me when I'm town and I surprised you kinda forgot how I play  This is the question I want to ask folks - why is he null reading Trfel based on the bolded? Okay, so I went back and found her last LightningStrike read before this. Show nested quote +Half the Sky wrote:The above is correct. This also partially helps answer Trfel's question to me - LS was not in my lynch list (and relative to the rest of the thread) because D1, similar to SOTW, if there's something that is not clicking I have to flesh his reads out. He was a scumlean based on the stuff he said, I hashed out to make sure I was understanding LS, and it was back to null pending the interactions with other people in the thread. There was a part where he mentioned Trfel casing Damdred (and I still have to go back and look at that, Christ) which would give some indication as to Trfel/Damdred/LS alignments to some extent. Obviously need to catch up on the rest of his filter. Not lynching him until I read and feel otherwise. Half the Sky's only reason presented to scumread LightningStrike after this was extremely flawed. Even despite this, the change on the LightningStrike read is really large for something that small (if she thought it was large enough to change this read, she would have been more suspicious of it when asking the question). Furthermore, Half the Sky's play around End of Day doesn't have much direction. I don't feel like she really cared if LightningStrike or kushm4sta were lynched (or she would have had more direction to her play, or actually pushed kushm4sta once finally deciding that she didn't want to lynch LightningStrike, 8 minutes before the deadline). This association suggests really, really strongly that Half the Sky is town, contrary to what NocturneMage has stated about the association.
50 reasons is a lot lol. I do have NM in my town pile, though, so I'm willing to listen to these 50 reasons when you get around to them post-HtS flip. I'm just having a hard time accepting that NM comes into this game immediately bussing his RB, especially if we have a vet. Of course if we don't, that makes it a bit more believable. But I've also spoken to scumreads as if they're town(imperfect knowledge and realizing my read might be wrong) which is why I asked for more.
I'm also assuming at the end of this, you meant to say it implies LS is town, not HtS, right?
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On December 06 2015 10:39 Trfel wrote:@LightningStrike, I think you're town. Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 10:29 The Shining wrote:
Also this is something for the next day phase in case I get shot tonight. There are 3 possible setups since Boxer flipped. Boxer vet, boxer Cop, boxer Vig.
There was no Vig shot n1 so unless Vig shoots tonight I'm pretty confident in saying we don't have a Vig and the setup is one of Cop/Boxer and vet/boxer. Obviously neither should claim in the night phase but it might be a good idea if we have a vet to claim next day phase and narrow down the lynch pool, IF YOURE UNDER SUSPICION. The RB flipped so the vet can't be NKd next night phase and it will help with poe after the NK. Obviously if you're shot tonight, you should also instantly claim.
If it is the 1 shot Cop setup, then don't say a damn thing unless you get a red check. If you get a green check, you should also claim it ONLY if they or you are in danger of being lynched, as the only setup we could have with GF is Cop/Vig(not possible because boxer flipped) and vet/boxer, in which case there is no Cop. So the cop check has a 100% accuracy. Okay, I'm breaking my own hard rule I don't think that the veteran should claim unless they're "reasonably" suspected. "Reasonably" defined at the end of this post. I actually think that if it's a 1-shot cop with a green check, they should claim it at the start of the next day (assuming both are alive). That's huge, and assuming that the cop was good with their check, the check should be on a "reasonably" suspected person. "Reasonably" meaning as determined by the power role themself. Basically, if you are the power role, you should make our own decision because you're the only one who knows the situation exactly. You know how scumread you are, you can determine if the value of your claim being hidden is worth however much suspicion/time people spend trying to figure out your alignment. If you're the cop with a check, you know exactly how useful the check is. Anyway, I don't care to argue this, but let the power roles play their own role ^^ Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 10:35 NocturneMage wrote:
I keep getting drawn back to this game, it is too addictive.
also last question, what on earth is a mindmeld? It's when two people are thinking really similarly to each other, presumably either over several similar thoughts or both thinking the same thing at the same time. Hopefully that's close enough. Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 10:34 NocturneMage wrote:On December 06 2015 10:13 Trfel wrote:On December 06 2015 10:06 NocturneMage wrote:
Yeah LS, everyone else, like I said, don't even waste your time looking at anything she posted after 2230, it's WIFOM, I know it, just trust me, she's a confirmed weasel. She is trying to fuck with your mind.
In any case, I'll pick up tomorrow. Good night. Half the Sky is trying to WIFOM LightningStrike and she's really good at it. But..... On December 06 2015 09:24 NocturneMage wrote:
shining re: your post
well somewhere I'm wrong on Palmar/LS/Trfel/DYH as scumleans because there are only two scummers left.
I really honestly don't know where the LS townreads are coming from, when I afked around I think 1800 or whatever my time I tried to see him in a town lens but every interaction just keeps pointing me back to a VERY strong associative read between LS and HTS, like I'm sure it's LS/HTS/+1.
He didn't push HTS, it was questions/soft pushing at best and then he says that her end of cycle was questionable and I said then why didn't you push her on it? that should have been priority 1. and then he asks her a question after the fact.
then I afked, but I didn't read anything after that. Bold emphasis mine. no that wifom can be interpreted in different ways (1) she could be talkign to a scum buddy - they both are wifoming (2) she could be trying to wifom town ls (3) other people reading that could be wifomed by what hts is saying to town/scum ls. I don't understand this explanation, because you're giving advice to LightningStrike in that post? Are you scumreading LightningStrike, or not? Also, NocturneMage, any comments on the association with Half the Sky that I mentioned?
I agree with that. That's why I said neither vet nor Cop, whichever we have, should claim unless their under realistic danger of being lynched. While I do normally feel that it's better to let the power roles play how they choose to, it doesn't escape me that one of our blues, boxer, basically did nothing and got himself MLd D1. I don't want there to be a risk of that after flipping scum D2. Town has a very real chance of winning here if we work together and the blue thats left plays smartly.
The part I don't agree with is the 1-shot Cop claiming a green check next day phase. If one of them is at risk of getting lynched then yes but if not, there is a possibility that both make it to lylo and that could help solve the game then and there with a well timed claim.
And NM has given 4 scum leans and has admitted he has to be wrong on at least 2 so I think it makes sense that even if he thinks LS is scum, he has his doubts and isn't trying to tunnel LS to hell by still giving him advice if he is town.
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On December 06 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 10:55 NocturneMage wrote:
I feel I answered 1506 with 1507. wtf.
is there some random esp bullshit going on across the atlantic here? You didn't really answer my question, but fair enough, I'll stop pressing. Was hoping you'd make a huge slip and confirm yourself as mafia, but it seems you're too good for that Was worth a try, though. @The Shining, I was primarily trying to get information from NocturneMage, not scumread him for that (though it does make me a bit more confident in my suspicion). And yes, my reasons for scumreading NocturneMage are mostly small reasons. And small reasons aren't that good, even if there are a lot of them. I have a few big reasons that I think are good, I have to go through and see how good those reasons are and how many there are. Keeping them secret for now because if I say them, it might affect NocturneMage's play.
Well assuming we both survive the night, I'm open to reading a full case next day phase. It's probably better that you don't case someone in the night again though...lol...your track record with that isn't stellar =P
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I'm sad though because I feel like my strongest townreads are here and talking in thread putting thoughts out through the night phase. Like I'm used to scum being weary of being in thread during night phase due to wifom and slipping before NKs and blue actions or w.e.
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Lol I didn't see that post. +1 for agreeing. I don't like silent nights either, I was just poking fun at you with the case comment lol. Whenever you decide to make that case, though, I'll read it but considering I have you both town, and no one has really run interference between you two, my gut tells me it's a town v town kind of thing. Especially since you're under suspicion.
Actually you said a lot of people are suspicious of you. I have a few that come to mind when you say that but who were you referring to?
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On December 06 2015 11:12 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 11:10 The Shining wrote:
I'm sad though because I feel like my strongest townreads are here and talking in thread putting thoughts out through the night phase. Like I'm used to scum being weary of being in thread during night phase due to wifom and slipping before NKs and blue actions or w.e. Wait, so you're saying that your strongest townreads are doing something that you don't think that scum would do. Why does this make you sad?
Because one of my strongest townreads thinks my other strong townread is scum and it doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling about my town circle, like I said in my last post. Gut tells me it's a town v town thing ATM which is why I want to see the case.
It also doesn't escape me that most of NMs scumreads, I don't share, so I have to review that, as well.
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On December 06 2015 11:17 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 11:13 The Shining wrote:
Lol I didn't see that post. +1 for agreeing. I don't like silent nights either, I was just poking fun at you with the case comment lol. Whenever you decide to make that case, though, I'll read it but considering I have you both town, and no one has really run interference between you two, my gut tells me it's a town v town kind of thing. Especially since you're under suspicion.
Actually you said a lot of people are suspicious of you. I have a few that come to mind when you say that but who were you referring to? I'm always terrible at trying to understand the "town vs town" or "mafia vs town" or "mafia vs mafia" conclusions that people make with regards to arguments... Can you please walk me through why you think it's town vs town (other than individual reads)? Why would mafia want to "run interference" (assuming you're meaning break up the argument) between two townies scumreading each other? I'm referring to nearly everyone. DoYouHas, Rels, Fidei86, LightningStrike, disformation, NocturneMage, Fecalfeast, and Palmar, I think. Could be wrong on one or two, but either way that is a lot of people.
The lack of interference makes it feels town v town. When town is going against another town, like say Palmar and I D1, if both participants are town, scum has no motivation to really weigh in or break it up. Instead they can sit around and see who comes off looking worse from the interaction and choose to try and get them lynched.
In this case, you've been suspecting NM for the longest. You cased him and the MD slot before, you still hold suspicion, he's going back at you and responding to you in a way that feels towny to me and trying to explain his thought processes. Scum won't get involved until or unless another town, like myself for instance, weighs in on it and picks a side. Then scum tries to pick that side as well and bury the other. It's not great analysis but I've used it to benefit my reads before, so I know it can be handy when applied hand in hand with logical reads.
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Ha.
No, all 4 setups have RB. I already posted some stuff on setup but I guess it is possible Vig is just being patient? Idk.
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I love Monday Tuesday phases. /sarcasm
Phone posting. I still want to lynch ff or disfo, honestly. FF taking the cheap sheep route is bad. And disfos posts just aren't feeling like the town disfo I played with before. Weak meta reads because I don't have time to filter but I really do feel I'm right on at least one of these, probably disfo.
I liked DYHs points on hts association, too, I've made similar cases over weird interactions and reads between scummates before. I wish he hadn't backed down on it.
NM Rels Trfel and DYH are town pile. Fidei doesn't feel as bad to me anymore. Voting disfo or ff.
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On December 09 2015 07:20 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote:
Change of assumptions.
I'm going to assume that even if I don't know why, the most active/vocal posters are town and mostly wrong.
And the mafia are casually standing by the side, watching and sometimes supporting, but letting others lead.
I think that this points at Fecalfeast. Thoughts? The same thing applies to LS but he's just posting just to post and the case on Fidei was beyond awful. I need to re-read his filter last game, can I do that in 40 minutes plus all this other shit....
What makes the LS case any worse than disfos on dyh that was led off with a post made by rels?
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On December 09 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:
Disformation I feel at this time is more bad than mafia but I could be biased here because I'm just as inexperienced at this game as he is. Really not comfortable lynching him today.
Hes not this steadfast as town from my experience. The outlier vote on dyh when Hts got lynched is a tell to me. And in 2 games I've played with him, he's been a lot more waffly and I don't remember seeing a case like the one on dyh. I'm not under the belief that a town meta can change that quickly
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On December 09 2015 07:26 DoYouHas wrote:
Shining, why are you reading trfel as town?
As scum I've seen him be painfully stubborn and defend his scummates pretty strongly, like Breshke last game. And they didn't have much interaction outside of Trfel defending Breshke. A lot of his cases feel wrong and misguided but his interactions with hts as well as people that I think are town feel pretty authentic. Wrong doesn't mean scum and I'm having trouble accepting this level of effort from scum Trfel.
Also he likes to post things to scum read ppl that don't make them scum and hammer them hard as Hell. Here he keeps reevaluating and not pushing to the point of not making sense
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On December 09 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote:
Change of assumptions.
I'm going to assume that even if I don't know why, the most active/vocal posters are town and mostly wrong.
And the mafia are casually standing by the side, watching and sometimes supporting, but letting others lead.
I think that this points at Fecalfeast. Thoughts?
I actually like this train of thought, too, and it's one of the reasons that I want to lynch ff. Like I see what are in my opinion a lot of town on town interactions and the ones not weighing in on it are not doing so because they want town to bury themselves
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On December 09 2015 07:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
Shenanigans onto fecalfeast then? I couldn't care less about this game right now.
If you and LS are both town doing this shyt, town deserves to lose. Jfc. And I think you just don't care about this game because you just rolled scum in active game as well and tried to play to your lazy town meta. But even when you're lazy town, you try to find scum. Youre not doing anything here
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On December 09 2015 07:38 NocturneMage wrote:
Shining, re 1842, that's completely wrong. He's been on Moosy/myself since day 1, found a reason to townread the slot then comes up with beyond insane reasons to scumread and then that last post was for complete reasons that don't really make me mafia. It's the same shit again, he takes a bunch of non-alignment indicative bullshit and find some reason to scumread people.
Like he's pushing the easy lynches.....AGAIN.
But last game he hammered that even when no one else was. Here he's at least remotely trying to evaluate others. If he's going for the easy lynches, why is he not on LS then
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On December 09 2015 07:46 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 07:42 The Shining wrote:On December 09 2015 07:38 NocturneMage wrote:
Shining, re 1842, that's completely wrong. He's been on Moosy/myself since day 1, found a reason to townread the slot then comes up with beyond insane reasons to scumread and then that last post was for complete reasons that don't really make me mafia. It's the same shit again, he takes a bunch of non-alignment indicative bullshit and find some reason to scumread people.
Like he's pushing the easy lynches.....AGAIN. But last game he hammered that even when no one else was. Here he's at least remotely trying to evaluate others. If he's going for the easy lynches, why is he not on LS then Because he gave whatever reason to townread LS, he goes back on that now, he looks really bad. My problem with Trfel is not his position on LS, it's his making a position that is not believable from his point of view. Rels even commented on that last night (EU time).
That's the same logic for why Disfo couldn't vote hts and ended up being the only one not lynching scum. But you think he's town
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Honestly I'm voting fecal and I think I should be sheeped regardless of those not TRing trfel. It was also brought up that ppl don't want to take LS to lylo
Why would you want to take ff to lylo then?
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On December 09 2015 07:57 disformation wrote:
Oh crap.
Do you guys remembering FF enter the thread? At first he was like doing a lot of stuff and I was quite suspect because in last game he was ultra lazy. THen suddenly he goes all "lolz fallout 4"?
Voting
He just realizes this now. Tell me again why Disfo is town
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You're fucking welcome. Yesssss.
I think disfo is last scum. He switched onto ff too easy. I need to filter check him just in case but I think I have this game figured out.
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On December 09 2015 08:04 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 08:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fecalfeast (3): Trfel, The Shining, disformation These are confirmed town =D Perfect
Not necessarily. Disfo is on my and dyhs radar. And no one wanted to lynch disfo. NM and you both posted a possible Yolo vote on ff so he could've felt the pressure and jumped for town cred
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