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On December 05 2015 02:43 NocturneMage wrote: And you Rels also agree with me that Trfel is (likely) mafia as well, is there a case on him, and if so, what page? EBWOP - Rels, why is Palmar town? | ||
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back to catching up. also love how scum Trfel is taking my argument out of context in post 1287, the coaching very likely would have existed through the end of cycle day 1, HTS is capable of giving advice beyond her participation (as in general coaching and/or motivation a good example is the whole whisky bullshit, it's just automatic after the first mislynch) and with the exception of LS's list post, his gameplay has still been mafia motivated, not giving reads, not really pushing anyone (except scumming Trfel and then dropping it) and then when I try to discuss HTS, he's like saying the exact same reason I'm voting her and then having her as null, it's basically saying he's not committing to something and I know last he was townreading me, don't recall him saying "NM is town but wrong on HTS" or taking stances that some of us can easily flesh out, aside from that list post. also saying my mafia play is like his in post 1301/1308 is just bad. town should be confident in their reads if they want to push lynches, I mean look at rayn (my exp from newbie 14), he just sauntered about, cursing about probably worse than I have as he tried to push his lynches, you have Shining this game whose tone comes off the same way - not quite as emotional or off-putting, but pretty straightforward, the holy crusade largely comes from me vs Dani, that is more personal than anything and at worst should not be alignment indicative, if you meant my intro I already explained that to Rels and it's somewhere in my filter. tldr - comparing me to you in post 1301 is just a poor argument and you're finding bad excuses for scumreads just like you did with my predecessor. resuming from page 25. | ||
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On December 03 2015 06:44 Palmar wrote: No, it's more of an internal fight. I have two conflicting goals and I don't know how to proceed. 1) I want to lynch useless shit people just because I don't want to play with them. vs 2) I want to actually win the game so it's technically better to pray these baddies get shot or checked while trying to lynch mafia. I do not believe your case for Moosy being mafia. I think it doesn't say much about his alignment. His filter is terrible, but it's not mafia terrible, at least not to me. It's just plain terrible. I will, however, look at LS like damdy asked me to. This post strikes me as towny, he is laying his agenda out there but then here he goes later: On December 03 2015 07:54 Palmar wrote: I also said I misread one of his posts. I don't really care. LS is a fine lynch. DYH is being shit, but so are multiple other players. So that post and "I have no good reason to call LS town, so fuck it" and then that follows into the post where he said that kushmasta scumreading LS for shitty meta (or similar) was overexplanation, and (1) I disagreed with the reason and (2) I can't understand his move to kush when kush echoed a reason that, given Palmar's previous comments about LS, should have IMO resonated with Palmar. I cannot grasp at all between posts 728 and 738 why he switched the votes the way he did. that still looks really bad. posts after list posts and deciding to lynch hts because of his read on me and the whole sexy filter thing just come off as lazy town, like he's taking some sort of shortcut without reading the filter. then palmar says the overthinking possibly suspiciously? I don't understand where there was a basis to suggest Fidei's last response as possibly mafia motivated. overall, tough call. end of cycle voting looks really bad but looking hard at timestamps when he switched (2 minutes) he could have flubbed because he might have been lazy. I disagree that his progression is easy to follow though. | ||
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On December 05 2015 08:27 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the fidei palmar interaction has palmar looking towny while fidei came out looking a little worse to me. One thing I remember that I'll dig up is Which looks a little too much like he's trying to avoid palmar expanding further on his possible suspicions and/or not wanting to slip up and further those suspicions. didn't fidei say something along the lines of not wanting to spam the thread? could work in paralle with hijacking the thread? although I can see where you are coming from, I just remembered fidei's first post. he doesn't seem to like spam. | ||
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she'll return appropriately EU time, those concerned for her outside the game please take it to PM/dota land (and obviously don't discuss the game) I know she's uncomfortable discussing her personal life in the thread (in most cases). | ||
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He is also struggling with Palmar as I am too. I'm going to stop here, going to make a little something for a special someone and probably play a little League. | ||
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(I'm also going to pretend that HTS doesn't exist in this game, except for his read, for a second since I've drawn a lot of association betwen the two.) Palmar - he could have just stopped with push on Shining, It's an incomplete read at best or him townreading Palmar for entirely the wrong reasons. end of day I realise is a clusterfuck but Palmar's end of day play has jumped at a few people. In a previous response, LS did say to me that he did help build the direction on kush, granted though I heavily disagreed with that reason being towny. the reason he told me again was overexplanation which a) was parroting palmar and b) that explanation wasn't that wordy, and not even scummy. FF - that read I don't know if it's semantics "lazy FF means no agenda FF" or "lazy FF means give no fucks FF" or whatever or just that he cannot be arsed to solve the game, well you could argue that for scum but him asking FF to do more work also makes no sense here - if he's that sure in meta land that lazy FF is town FF then asking him to do work would put him where? he's already town? what is the purpose of that read? it's posting just to post. Rels - going to stop after the word "little" since everything after that is (yawn) meta. Case on FYH might be "good" yeah but does he make an easy townread like others might have agreed on or was it just an honest conclusion? Shining - this is largely the same conclusion I came to. Other people came to it well before obviously. I can see both sides. Scum LS would just copy this read from others who have determined it, and town LS would have done like me and read his filter and come to the same thing. Trfel - don't like this read either. Last game, with scummy cases on Fecalfeast and Scott, the same tone was there, in LS' defence he might not be as informed. Did any of his play from day 1 having any bearing or re-evaluation? The read on me - again, parroting or honest conclusion? "he's not as analytical" - okay fine, ignore my read on HTS, what about my reads now on other people? HTS - so content is questionable? what content was questionable? did he probe her on anything? did he do anything about it? knowing the people pushing hts - fidei (at least softly?), dyh, myself, alright none of them are particularly high on his totem pole, great. But why isn't he taking the lead to find that out himself? he mentioned her illness but I countered against him last night that illness is not alignment indicative, and even by his own admission he said in his filter "oh shit I didn't know that, she can do it" (close enough wording) so that should have given him the green light to just look at her content and solve. must......avoid.......association.......reads..........  Fidei - doesn't someone tunnelling you by definition make them town? His content is "okay" alright, so is his read on LS unusual in a scummy way? no? then why isn't he town, or if that read IS unusual, then why? doesn't that make him scum and want you to look into him more? again, where's the value either way? DYH - alright, so LS is townreading disformation and Rels, both of whom are pushing DYH. Explanation is largely parroting. same potential issue as some of the other reads previously mentioned. the argument that LS' play is improving is false (figures trfel is making the argument) he brings nothing new to the table - lack of original thought is generally scum indicative, at least I can agree to disagree on town LS thinking Palmar is surely town based on end of cycle. he certainly hasn't done anything earth shattering or moved the game forward, and none of the FF/HTS/Fidei reads he has posted really make any sense from a town perspective. | ||
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Town: Shining, myself Likely town: disformation, Rels Need to look into: Fecalfeast, DYH Need to look into again: Fidei (interactions, voting end of cycle 1) Null with reservations/scumlean: Palmar Likely scum: Trfel, LightningStrike Lynching her with fire today: Half the Sky | ||
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On December 05 2015 22:11 Palmar wrote: I don't know if I'm going to do much more today, it's weekend. Based on reading HtS and NM yesterday, I'm going to leave my vote on her. I think it's the right call. I won't be here at the deadline (or well... I won't be here from many hours before the deadline until tomorrow), so meh. I'll check my phone and such. If anyone wants my attention for something special just shout, I'll hopefully notice. I still think this is a reasonably good lynch. NM seems kinda towny and he's very sure about HtS, and her entire tone is very very bland as I talked about. I am again more suspicious of fidei and trfel than I was previously, with NM moving into the probably town column. I actually read something FF wrote that made me think he's town too, but since I can't even remember what it was, it can't have been super significant. Still for now this is good enough. I have yet to read FF, DYH and I think some other people, but I'll have to do that during the night or tomorrow. Good luck guys. You mentioned that Fidei was "overthinking" lynching HTS. what was so suspicious about it. also separate from this issue, how was kush's explanation wordy/or an overexplanation that was scummy? that makes zero sense to me. LS uses shitty meta to skate by, and even you were okay with lynching LS at one point. so I really don't understand your approach end of cycle. | ||
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On December 06 2015 00:36 NocturneMage wrote: probably shouldn't use the word shitty, but in general, it looks shitty to us, we cannot make people's metareads easily and certainly not in the manner LS was throwing anything together day 1, I won't speak for kush but from my perspective I cannot trust meta reads from people that I don't know. I have never played with LS, or you, or too many people in this game really. ebwop - the bolded should be "understand" we can't understand other people's meta reads easily | ||
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