|
On December 02 2015 00:25 Damdred wrote:
Let me explain in some semblance of an answer.
Trfel uses stupid arguments early to try to convinced thread that damdred is scum. (I use stupid here not in offense to trfel)
Time passes, damdred town leans him for the stupid argument.
Later trfel decides his argument is partially stupid so apologizes for it but states he still doesn't think damdred is totally town.
Scum trfel doesn't like giving up things and fights for his stupid arguments. I know this is wifom so I font think its indicative.
Its different if only slightly
That's true he apologized. But he's still attacking you for the same idea; that you attacked him because LS posted something pregame. If you thought it was stupid then, you should think it's still stupid now. How is Trfel not "fighting for his stupid argument" if he's still attacking you with the same one ?
|
On December 02 2015 01:36 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 01:32 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:27 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:50 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 18:41 Rels wrote:On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time. 1 - this is sooooo non commital. 2 - we're right on the period Shining has no internet. So I have no idea what additionnal info you will have when he AFK for 24 hours. What part of the "not lynching The Shining" part did you miss? I thought I read "I kind of want to lynch The Shining" somewhere in that post. This part about Shining reads to me as "I'm OK lynching Shining but I'll need someone to convince me." Under normal circumstances, I'd be suspicious of The Shining here and would be maybe willing to lynch him Day 1. However, since The Shining probably won't be able to play much today, and wasn't 100% there yesterday, I think that giving him a Day 1 pass is probably best. Sorry that wasn't clear in my initial posts.
Is anyone else kind of suspicious of Rels? The way that he has been throwing suspicions at everyone feels like he's trying to keep his options open to lynch anyone he chooses. I don't recall him posting a single townread (which isn't that important), but the way he's been pressuring so many people without follow through or without a serious push seem so strange. The vote on DoYouHas feels extremely opportunistic, as well. I was really hoping that DoYouHas wouldn't be brought up for a while, I wanted to see what he did if he wasn't bothered. I remember checking the exact same thing that Rels mentioned earlier, and I'm not entirely on board, but I'll let DoYouHas speak for himself. Yep I'm suspicious of too many people. I would lynch Damdred or DYH right now; fidei is weird; HTS' post on LS makes a lot of sense. Onegu and kush are useless. You know, I take back my suspicion. Under normal circumstances it would be valid, but given the circumstances I'm kind of in the same place. The big thing is the lack of follow through, then, and that's very subjective; I'll look again later. By saying that Half the Sky's post on LightningStrike makes sense, are you saying that you think that LightningStrike is scum, or Half the Sky is town, or both?
Both.
|
On December 02 2015 01:37 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 01:36 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me. Any idea on what could be scum ? I told you earlier that I think Tfrel is scum mainly his stuff about me..... His "stuff about you" was a trap that he didn't believe in. I don't think Trfel has posted a read on you. Does knowing that make you re evaluate ? Hmm maybe but I remember him attacking Geript in Student V for imposing a limit of how many posts he would make per phase and e was scum there so(shrugs). Why do you think that my attack on geript in that game is relevant to my alignment this game? Sorry, I just really don't see the connection.
++
|
Voting DoYouHas atm for these:
On December 01 2015 17:52 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:47 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas You don't make sense. Mafia get to know the setup info right? That's how I remember this kind of game working. Even if they don't, you are so afraid of gaming the rb that you would throw away a confirmed townie and better lynch choices? I don't understand why you would affirm something like that without checking it first. This looks like you are dumbtelling.
On December 01 2015 22:22 Rels wrote:I don't like that progression from DoYouHas. Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 08:50 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote:
Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while.
Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Trfel might be mafia since LS clearly posted in the thread why he wouldn't be here till later. Interesting... Okay, what the heck. First of all, if you think about it for a second, you can probably see what I was trying to do. You may not agree with my method, but you know me well enough to see it. Second, why would does this make me mafia in any way? Like, why does the fact that LightningStrike posted that he wouldn't be here at the start of the game have any bearing on my alignment? I assumed your post was a bit of a joke. Reconsidering with how fast you jumped on the defensive here. "Trfel you might be scum." 2 posts later: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote:
You are an idiot but you are most likely town.
If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Damdred: "Trfel is most likely town." 1 post later: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel "Trfel you're crazy." So Trfel is considered town here. It doesn't add up. ##Vote DoYouHas
See you tonight (=
|
On December 02 2015 01:45 disformation wrote:Washing machine running. Here we go: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:57 Damdred wrote:On December 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote:
Its just bad reasoning for why I sort of think Trfel is townish?
Like its really really to early for me to be sold on it, but the way trfel goes defensive and omgus instead of sort of buddying up to me and trying to change my mind that way made me think maybe its just town being dumb. like its really really really bad reasoning, but sort of makes me not want to lynch trfel at this moment Yes, it is really really really bad reasoning, especially since scum!Trfel did something very similar in NSM17. In that game geript called out scum!Trfel on his case on VE and instead of trying to buddying up to geript scum!Trfel proceeds to try to get ppl suspicious of geript (even with a short case later on) and tries to emit a frustrated town vibe. If you see something different in this game, that I missed please feel free to point it out.  That being said I, too think that Trfel's apology has a very towny tone to it and that it doesn't look like something he did in NSM17... Still doesn't really explain where your super bad reasoning comes from after you just played a game with scum!Trfel, where he tried similar things. xD
Don't dare being scum with this chatty tone. That would break my heart
|
On December 02 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:Ah nearly forgot to mention: The Shining was asking DYI about: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that.
On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. On the Shining/Palmar interaction so far. Palmar seems town to me with the productive way he is pressuring. I also like his reasoning as he is going after Shining. That being said, everything after this post + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
Strikes me as VERY townie. Fast, frustrated, and spiteful. The way he kept coming back for more after saying he was out feels like genuine emotional reaction to being pushed wrongly. Palmar basically pressured something that was a little out of place and then ran with it when Shining reacted poorly and went for OMGUS. For me that isn't enough for a lynch with my feel for Shining's play stated above.
|
LS: if you had to name a team of 3 mafias, who would that be and why ?
|
On December 02 2015 07:28 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 07:17 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:Ah nearly forgot to mention: The Shining was asking DYI about: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that. On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. On the Shining/Palmar interaction so far. Palmar seems town to me with the productive way he is pressuring. I also like his reasoning as he is going after Shining. That being said, everything after this post + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
Strikes me as VERY townie. Fast, frustrated, and spiteful. The way he kept coming back for more after saying he was out feels like genuine emotional reaction to being pushed wrongly. Palmar basically pressured something that was a little out of place and then ran with it when Shining reacted poorly and went for OMGUS. For me that isn't enough for a lynch with my feel for Shining's play stated above. You ninja you.  Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 19:12 Rels wrote:
Useful List of Useless People
Onegu
kushmasta
DoYouHas
Do stuff or be lynched. Can we add MoosyDoosy to this list?
Sure.
On December 02 2015 07:28 disformation wrote:Also while we are mentioning Onegu: I shadowed him once, when he was town and I vaguely remember some talk in that game about him claiming/not claiming VT. He simply does this as both alignments right?
Yep.
|
|
|
I also want to lynch fidei because (1) his activity / involvement is super low, when he is super tryhard as town. And (2), I still cant accept his meta read on me in his first post:
On December 01 2015 09:01 Fidei86 wrote:
DYH's question of Rels seems towny, although I also think Rels' entrance was kind of towny, albeit wrongheaded. When he's Mafia Rels buddies up with everyone he likes and relentlessly fights with anyone who calls him out. I wouldn't expect a Mafia Rels to jump in and start picking fights so early, even about blues.
I had posted only 2 posts at the time, and only one relevent:
On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas
Now fidei townreads me off that post, because apparently my scum meta is not picking fights so early.
I just played a resistance game which fidei hosted. I was scum. Here is my filter; you can see I'm suspicious of several people very early in the game. This post is symptomatic of this:
On November 02 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. What i am trying to say that i find it suspicious you are not trying to make reads yet, and i think that is not normal for you. Especially when this is not a situation where making reads does not help anything (unlike for example if in a mafia game you think everyone who has posted so far are town). If i compared this to a normal mafia this would be a situation where you know at least one of the people who have posted is mafia for sure but you are refusing to figure it out further. OK bro. I don't have townreads on anyone that posted. I don't have scumreads on them either. I have suspicions on Superbia, kita and you.
|
On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself).
Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out.
The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing.
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Come and talk to me then. What do you think of other people ? Especially: Damdred ? DYH ? HTS now that she has posted more since your gutread ? LS ?
|
On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Rereading that, that's super wrong. That's exactly what I did to rayn in that resistance game you hosted, who is also a player with whom I've played a fair bit together. I think you're stretching to find reasons to townread me.
##Unvote
##Vote Fidei86
|
On December 02 2015 19:40 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 19:37 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Rereading that, that's super wrong. That's exactly what I did to rayn in that resistance game you hosted, who is also a player with whom I've played a fair bit together. I think you're stretching to find reasons to townread me. ##Unvote
##Vote Fidei86 Eh that's true. But you have done that in every game we've been in - gone at it with Rayn I mean. Even SOTW, where he ended up trusting you with the game. Rayn is easy to manipulate and you figured him out (hell, we laughed about it at length in the Mafia QT).
Fun times (= soup hype! That's not true though. I didn't attack rayn in SOTW, excepting for 1 hour in D2 when he was pushing me hard.
On December 02 2015 19:39 Fidei86 wrote:
I've skimmed through the thread but there wasn't anything that jumped out. I just focussed in on your post because I always catch mentions of my name. I'm going to re-read at lunch. Sorry.
Hyped for that.
|
On December 02 2015 19:47 Fidei86 wrote:
The issue I have reading you really is that I've only seen you as Mafia for so long, everything you do reminds me of you being Mafia. It's going to be difficult to get your alignment straight. But obviously I also really like you OG, so I want to believe you're town. If you think I'm struggling with your alignment, that's why.
You don't seem to be struggling for my alignment. You seem to have decided I am town and making up reasons for it.
This is struggling for my alignment:
On December 01 2015 09:31 Half the Sky wrote:
Hey everyone.
A few thoughts on my end before I head to bed -
Nulls on Rels/Damdred regarding setup discussion/speculation as I feel those are types of posts that can be made as either alignment (and such Rels' scumreads on Do and Damdred could also fall under the same category) by players who know general gameplay well enough.
|
On December 02 2015 21:29 Fidei86 wrote:
@Rels something has come up at work, so will be working through. On a train from about 6pm ET which will give me plenty of time.
My hype for your reads is growing.
|
On December 02 2015 01:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 01:45 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:37 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 01:36 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me. Any idea on what could be scum ? I told you earlier that I think Tfrel is scum mainly his stuff about me..... His "stuff about you" was a trap that he didn't believe in. I don't think Trfel has posted a read on you. Does knowing that make you re evaluate ? Hmm maybe but I remember him attacking Geript in Student V for imposing a limit of how many posts he would make per phase and e was scum there so(shrugs). Why do you think that my attack on geript in that game is relevant to my alignment this game? Sorry, I just really don't see the connection. Because it seemed like similar manner on what you did to me this game..... Anyways you got any scum reads so far? Here you go. I don't have time to dive into anything in depth, so I'm talking to the people who are here. LightningStrike, why didn't you respond to this post? I must say that pending an answer to the above question, I kind of think that LightningStrike is town.
Can you expand ?
|
On December 03 2015 00:06 disformation wrote:I liked that DYH backed up his scum read on Trfel with a vote. I super do not like, that basically his only interaction with the thread was him answering my questions and then vanishing. I also super do not like that I have no idea what he means with less productive: Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. Didn't he have enough time or was he just not able to reach a conclusion? Does that mean these four ppl are null reads? Why was he not able to reach a conclusion? A lot of questions...
++ I dislike that very much too. Especially since this post is 5 hours after his other posts in the series of posts he did yesterday.
|
On December 03 2015 02:26 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 00:05 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:52 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 01:45 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:37 Trfel wrote:On December 02 2015 01:36 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On December 02 2015 01:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got to college campus and took care of stuff and about Palmar: It's meta read that I have on him because he did similar stuff to me in Metal Mini which you observed and I do find Shining town for now although he did show huge emotions as scum last game but I giving him a benefit of a doubt. Mainly Shining's content seems better ths game than his last game when he was scum vs me. Any idea on what could be scum ? I told you earlier that I think Tfrel is scum mainly his stuff about me..... His "stuff about you" was a trap that he didn't believe in. I don't think Trfel has posted a read on you. Does knowing that make you re evaluate ? Hmm maybe but I remember him attacking Geript in Student V for imposing a limit of how many posts he would make per phase and e was scum there so(shrugs). Why do you think that my attack on geript in that game is relevant to my alignment this game? Sorry, I just really don't see the connection. Because it seemed like similar manner on what you did to me this game..... Anyways you got any scum reads so far? Here you go. I don't have time to dive into anything in depth, so I'm talking to the people who are here. LightningStrike, why didn't you respond to this post? I must say that pending an answer to the above question, I kind of think that LightningStrike is town. Can you expand ? It's one of those reads I don't know how to explain. I think I asked LightningStrike two very pointed questions, where there were a lot of answers he could have said that would be "wrong". And he answered both of them correctly. Not only that, but he had a really relaxed tone when doing so. Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 20:02 LightningStrike wrote:
He wasn't really afraid to post his thoughts on the stuff when he was around and I know it's limited content but still when he was around he did try to be involved a little bit. I might be a huge sucker for people. Like here, when I asked him about his read on DoYouHas. I guess this doesn't objectively say much, but I like it anyway. The more important thing is that I feel that the way that LightningStrike's suspicion on me changed over the course of the game (mostly the early parts) has been really natural. He seemed genuinely frustrated, and I could see how that frustration led him to push me. The amount that he pushed me felt like more than scum would push, knowing that it's wrong and having no support, and it matched the words he was saying. I'm not extremely confident on LightningStrike being town, and it's hard to explain, but I don't want to lynch him.
Yep got it. I kinda have this "innocent" feeling on his posts too.
|
On December 03 2015 02:32 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:32 DoYouHas wrote:
I second the immediate claim by a boxer if we have one. I want to get dyh all liquored up then do unspeakable things to him. I don't see scum being so cavalier with this kind of mechanics thing. Kind of a weird read I know. I think I have time to read one more filter.
I completely disagree with this. A post like that makes sense for scum!DYH:
- there is a chance boxer claiming gives scum a avantage
- he's buddying by agreeing with him on a setup consideration which is not very important
|
On December 03 2015 02:38 kushm4sta wrote:
Just skimmed htf. Scumsville. Looks like she is coming up with fake arguments or talking about stuff that's not alignment indicative. Doubt tget people would be willing to lynch tho
I could agree to this. HTS spending her time today posting the setup for her game instead of playing this one is contrary to what I would expect from her.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
