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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 22:36 GMT
#2552
Are you mafia claiming town?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 22:54 GMT
#2555
What the hell is a planar dragon?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 22:59 GMT
#2561
2259. Crossing my fingers.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:01 GMT
#2570
Thank goodness. Mylo was looking scary as fuck.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:03 GMT
#2573
If nothing else, it was so relishing to lynch Dani. I love lynching Dani.

Of course, the flip side of that was having to navigate the rest of the game without her.

Sorry Rels :/
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:03 GMT
#2577
Agreed, Shining clear MVP.

If he was mafia, it would have been gg.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:08 GMT
#2584
I am reading the mafia QT.

Holy shit, I knew it. Dani corrupting disformation to drink with every mislynch.

Hosts, can we seriously stop sending HTS mafia role PMs? I swear she's going to get this entire community drunk.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:10 GMT
#2590
On December 15 2015 08:06 Rels wrote:
I deserved my lynch, I played super badly. Sry DYH for the game-long tunnel (=


I tunneled Trfel for 3 cycles, so I'm not much better off here than you.

From a town perspective, I was really frustrated with shennanies and just having to make these decisions in like minutes. I'm glad I wasn't here for day 1 because that day 1 end of cycle looked like, to quote MoosyDoosy, a Level 5 hurricane disaster.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:13 GMT
#2594
On December 15 2015 08:08 disformation wrote:
Eh yeah sry guys.
Like on one hand I know this was my first scum game ever. + I had no coach.
Onegu got sick.
HtS got sick and her husband got replaced into the game.
So I know this wasn't the ideal situation and a hard game to roll first time scum.

But on the other hand I feel like most of town did so many mistakes I could have had this, if I didn't screw up even harder. And I feel like I made billions of mistakes, so I am a bit frustrated.

The Shining was ultra super fucking on blast though. No clue how to handle a case on me when it is like 90-100% accurate.

Also not gonna alt+f4 and unistall. Imma take a break and cohost the next nsm. Which just opened. So if you want to play in that, feel free to sign up.


LOL? Dani coached you a shittonne from what I'm reading. Even phoneposting from her bed. Clearly she wanted you in the game even as she was unable to continue herself.

Evil, evil HTS....but I also know she really values team play so obviously she's going to do something like that for you...

Honestly you did better than I did my first scum game. Don't sweat it. I'm told it takes several games to master the scum game. Just look at what went right and what went wrong. You are also up against people with 4-5x the experience you have.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:14 GMT
#2598
On December 15 2015 08:10 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 08:03 NocturneMage wrote:
Agreed, Shining clear MVP.

If he was mafia, it would have been gg.
No it wouldn't have, just take a really careful look at him in LYLO

Having three lynches like that is so huge, it's almost impossible for the mafia to win, regardless of who the mafia is.


I tinfoiled him. He probably would have NKed me.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:19 GMT
#2605
Yeah on the topic of postcount, there's no way I should ever have a 20 page filter especially replacing in. I definitely need to cut back on posting. Damn.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:22 GMT
#2609
Well if anyone has any feedback for me let me know. I mean I know my tone and attitude threw some people off that knew me and I see that the obs qt it was mentioned I was playing a bit emotionally. That part is accurate, partially for in-game and out-of-game reasons. But that aside, any other comments, let me know.

I think voting analysis is something I always have trouble deciding what is more likely and I've been told that a really good scum player can "look town" even through votes, but it's hard to weight that versus screwing up without weighing other forms of scumhunting like filters, and whatever.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:26 GMT
#2613
On December 15 2015 08:15 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 08:13 NocturneMage wrote:
On December 15 2015 08:08 disformation wrote:
Eh yeah sry guys.
Like on one hand I know this was my first scum game ever. + I had no coach.
Onegu got sick.
HtS got sick and her husband got replaced into the game.
So I know this wasn't the ideal situation and a hard game to roll first time scum.

But on the other hand I feel like most of town did so many mistakes I could have had this, if I didn't screw up even harder. And I feel like I made billions of mistakes, so I am a bit frustrated.

The Shining was ultra super fucking on blast though. No clue how to handle a case on me when it is like 90-100% accurate.

Also not gonna alt+f4 and unistall. Imma take a break and cohost the next nsm. Which just opened. So if you want to play in that, feel free to sign up.


LOL? Dani coached you a shittonne from what I'm reading. Even phoneposting from her bed. Clearly she wanted you in the game even as she was unable to continue herself.

Evil, evil HTS....but I also know she really values team play so obviously she's going to do something like that for you...

Honestly you did better than I did my first scum game. Don't sweat it. I'm told it takes several games to master the scum game. Just look at what went right and what went wrong. You are also up against people with 4-5x the experience you have.


Yeah, HtS tried to do as much as she could.
But I would have loved to have someone giving me hints on how to deal with TS later on, or how to proceed the last like two cycles, because I was getting lost in filters and started to fall off and stuff.


I think she spent at least 75% of the day between last Tuesday-Friday in bed. Like I told Fidei, I am pretty shocked she didn't replace out.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:56 GMT
#2623
Yeah if Fidei claimed vigilante in mylo I would have 1000% lynched him because I'd have thought he was lying.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 14 2015 23:59 GMT
#2626
On December 15 2015 08:27 disformation wrote:
Also later on had trouble deciding whether I want to stay on DYH, cause I couldnt find more to scum read him, or just keep tunneling, which is super unusual for town!disformation.
but I couldnt get a reasonable scum read on NM.
maybe should have tried LS.


There was a fair shot I could have gotten mislynched. I honestly thought day 4 I was getting lynched over Rels and people didn't understand my change in tone. Others thought I was bussing HTS because of out of game issues, but the sheer reality is that I know how to read her extremely well, and I've accurately read her when she's had far better games than this as scum.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 15 2015 00:00 GMT
#2628
On December 15 2015 08:25 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 08:22 NocturneMage wrote:
Well if anyone has any feedback for me let me know. I mean I know my tone and attitude threw some people off that knew me and I see that the obs qt it was mentioned I was playing a bit emotionally. That part is accurate, partially for in-game and out-of-game reasons. But that aside, any other comments, let me know.

I think voting analysis is something I always have trouble deciding what is more likely and I've been told that a really good scum player can "look town" even through votes, but it's hard to weight that versus screwing up without weighing other forms of scumhunting like filters, and whatever.
It's way easier to talk the talk than walk the walk, but here we go....

Your reasoning to scumread Rels was really bad. IIRC, you were scumreading him because he said something that you disagreed with, but his interpretation was plausible for town to arrive at. Townies will always disagree about stuff, and so that ends up not being a very good reason.

Basically, just be really careful when you're focusing on who's right and who's wrong, and specific reasons for stuff that come down to wording, etc.

Of course, doing this would have let me avoid scumreading you and Damdred, so... bleh.


uggghhhhhhhhh fuck.

cheers on the advice Trfel.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 15 2015 13:15 GMT
#2652
Don't think I would have ever lynched DYH until lylo and just off his stance re: disformation and the why are you alive question I might have gone with Shining over him. Who knows lol.

LS are you streaming on twitch or is it a discussion on TS? Might be late for me, what time?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 15 2015 14:18 GMT
#2673
I think you were reluctant to lynch HTS because (1) she was mentoring you in the mafia QT despite her screaming for her own disposal and (2) you tried too hard to "look" like your town meta, but even from the last newbie, several people were scumreading you as town because you always played the middle ground. I would honestly make the same argument that you'd have been the lynch if you were town, which is why I very much considered the possibly of screwing the last lynch up into lylo. The tinfoil late game was real.

DYH was arguably the most readable at the point he cased Dani. AFKing for real life is generally not alignment indicative to me.

The only problem with me was that my approach to Dani involved a shittonne of meta so I can understand if people don't trust it, the onus was on me to try and spell it in a way that didn't involve meta, and then using the meta to disprove some of the bad reasons people were townreading her.

Also a thanks to the hosting team as well and allowing me to replace in. Again everyone else, I'm sorry if I came off like a dick to anyone this game (ugh, Trfel) admittedly the mere presence of HTS in the game just had me playing on full tilt (<3) which appeared a bit unusual to some people.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
December 15 2015 14:21 GMT
#2675
again disformation I think you did really well especially this being your first scumgame, no coaches (despite teammate mentoring, but they have to play their own game too), I really don't think you should be ashamed of anything.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-15 14:26:08
December 15 2015 14:23 GMT
#2676
On December 15 2015 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 23:18 NocturneMage wrote:
The only problem with me was that my approach to Dani involved a shittonne of meta so I can understand if people don't trust it, the onus was on me to try and spell it in a way that didn't involve meta, and then using the meta to disprove some of the bad reasons people were townreading her.

The thing is you will never do that in case you are both town or both mafia though...
Because if you are both town -- you don't do it in the first place
If you are both mafia -- you don't have to do it


I had that in the back of my mind, which is why I tried to put out the non-meta arguments first (namely her end of cycle behaviour was terrible). In general, I rage about people's use of meta, so I know it's pretty hypocritical of me to do the same
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
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