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On December 01 2015 08:36 disformation wrote: But are you the hero this town deserves?  Actually. This Damdred post looks somewhat ... I am fishing for the correct English word here... constructed? Did you plan/write that before the game started? | ||
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On December 01 2015 08:44 Trfel wrote: Hm, LightningStrike hasn't posted at all yet. Very suspicious, I would have expected him to be really excited for this game since he hasn't played in a while. Disformation, why are you only bringing up Damdred's post now, and not right when he posted it? Tired as hell.  When I first read it I was like kinda amused by the hero thing, triggering my immediate reaction (the first post). Then I read it again and thought that it was a kinda unusual thing for Damdred to post and remembered that I was criticized for a very similar thing (over constructed first post shortly after the start of the game) in my first game here. So I asked him the same question I was asked. The advise itself is probably valid though. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:27 The Shining wrote: His expectations are unreal of me if he is town. He said I went quiet and yet here I am so I'm interested if his lean now goes away or if it becomes a hard scumread because I scumread him. Like there were actual things happening, like Damdred's big post directing blues, Rels finding DYH and Damdred suspicious, but his scumlean comes off on the one person who he probably expected to afk because it's Monday/Tuesday and who didn't say much of anything. And in the same post, he goes ahead and leaves the thread when he enters it. Your hard defense of Fidei so early is noted, though. Well, you went quiet and then suddenly popped out when two people called you scum... Plus your are going quite the OMGUS + hard defense mode. Def. not a fan so far, kinda remember better post from you last game.  @Damdred: So you are saying that the post is constructed since you took quite some time writing it up, but started after the game started? | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote: My wife was dropped off at work at 6:01 pm eastern time, my post was posted 3-5 minutes after I returned home. I wrote it in those 3-5 minutes. I'm not exactly sure where you are going with this. Was just making sure I understand correctly what you are saying. As I was trying to explain earlier I was called out for an overly constructed post, that could have come from either alignment, in my first game here and I wanted to find out if that post was NAI due to being written/planned before the start of the game or not. On December 01 2015 09:33 Half the Sky wrote: And ninjaed. Any thoughts on the actual exchange? I am not sure why Damdred suddenly changes his stance on Trfel. Like he said "Trfel might be mafia". Then Trfel goes OMGUS on him and then Damdred says Trfel is "most likely town". Would like for Damdred to explain. On December 01 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote: I do know what you are trying to do, and if you are fishing you might want to try a different type of bait. Secondly could be you don't care about reading the thread, and just trying to find someone to put suspicions on. On December 01 2015 08:56 Trfel wrote: I think that Damdred is a very likely mafia. Someone please tell me if I am sane or not. On December 01 2015 08:57 Damdred wrote: You are an idiot but you are most likely town. If you can't explain in a coherent way why I am mafia then obviously I am not. Also this thread is kinda fast and I am still super tired, so I'll go to bed, since I can't keep up right now. | ||
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want to get back to Damdred's answer on my stuff yesterday, but will try to keep that short, since it is kinda dated. I also saw Trfel and HtS ask me a question or two, so I will get to that, too. After that I will probably look into the more recent posts by fidei, rels, hts and I think I should check out DYH's filter. If there are more questions or things to discuss, please feel free to ask. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:57 Damdred wrote: like its really really really bad reasoning, but sort of makes me not want to lynch trfel at this moment Yes, it is really really really bad reasoning, especially since scum!Trfel did something very similar in NSM17. In that game geript called out scum!Trfel on his case on VE and instead of trying to buddying up to geript scum!Trfel proceeds to try to get ppl suspicious of geript (even with a short case later on) and tries to emit a frustrated town vibe. If you see something different in this game, that I missed please feel free to point it out. That being said I, too think that Trfel's apology has a very towny tone to it and that it doesn't look like something he did in NSM17... Still doesn't really explain where your super bad reasoning comes from after you just played a game with scum!Trfel, where he tried similar things. xD | ||
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On December 02 2015 01:47 Rels wrote: Don't dare being scum with this chatty tone. That would break my heart I get the feeling that RNGesus is heavily biased against me rolling scum... but that just means I have to make the longest town win streak ever happen. | ||
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On December 02 2015 02:17 Damdred wrote: I wasn't in the game at that point remember young one. Plus he was trying to hard defend a partner so bit different he just comes out of gate attacking. Ah crap you replaced into that game D2... right. Well, the defending part came on later, but so did the actual omgus parts onto geript. Took a look at Trfel's filter from that game again and at first he was trying to ignore geript until around when that defending part happened. So okay, there is a difference. Still, wouldn't completely want to completely rule out a possible OMGUS by scum!Trfel since, that doesn't seem to be outside his range, but I can agree on that being rather unlikely especially this early D1. | ||
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On December 01 2015 16:42 Trfel wrote: Wait a second, disformation... You've only rolled town on TL, correct? So if you were town and someone questioned you for a "constructed" post, then why would you ask someone else about this? What did you hope to get out of your question? Based on Damdred's answers, do you have a conclusion now? Yes, only rolled town. I have my previous games included in my profile, if you are interested. Okay, should have mentioned that: my entry post from my first game _was_ planned before the game. I got called out on that, admitted that it was canned and the post got threat as NAI. So I was asking myself if this was a similar case. But kinda more importantly: I have played with town!Damdred twice now, shadowed town!Damdred once or twice and shadowed town!HtS in a game where Damdred was scum and I don't remember a big constructed Damdred post in any of those games. So I went "wait wat?" after looking at it more carefully. Conclusion regarding the entry post or on Damdred overall? Well, I believe him when he says his entry post was written after game start and as such is not NAI by default. As stated before I think the advise is solid. That post is not incredibly hard for mafia to make either, though. I was also still a bit confused about his early read flip on you, but Damdred managed to explain that to me just now. So overall his game is starting to look more like the town!Damdred I am used to. Ah, while I mentioned that one scum game I saw him play: he was way more pushy/aggressive than this game. Though frustrated/annoyed town!Damdred would be a new one for me, too. xD So overall conclusion? Hm.. town lean. Need to look at your case on him again though. | ||
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On December 02 2015 02:45 kushm4sta wrote: Yes I use my own experience as scum to predict how other people will act as scum. But actually I was accusing him of a standard scumtell, over defense. Don't put too much stock in what I say, because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far. I am looking forward to playing in a few days after the herd has been thinned. My vote stays on Rels for now. Probably he isn't scum but maybe he is and on my phone it takes a lot of effort to change my vote. Uh wat? "I won't play today" "Maybe I'll play D2, maybe not" "My vote stays on a dude, cause he could be mafia though he probably isn't". Though I get that voting on phone sucks hardcore, been there done that, the "My vote stays on Rels for now." part implies that you don't want to change your vote after all? Or does the "because I don't have any sort of handle on this game so far." part means to say that you don't know who to change your vote to cause you have 0 reads? I think I'll leave a present for you in the vote thread, so could please try harder? | ||
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On December 02 2015 03:05 kushm4sta wrote: Disinformation, I'm so scared of your vote that I will try super hard from now on. Sure thing cupcake, but don't worry I usually don't bite. Looking forward to seeing some reads from you. | ||
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On December 02 2015 03:27 Fidei86 wrote: @disinformation on second thoughts this must be a troll attempt, it cannot possibly be his serious thoughts. Still, I learned last time I played that "too dumb to be Mafia" is not a thing. Yeah, last game town also ran in a similar thing with Trfel like "would he be so obvious in defending a scum partner D1" and "why would he fight the uncc Vet"... | ||
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On December 02 2015 03:49 Damdred wrote: Besides me anyway, id wager almost no one Nope, 0 experience with kush. That being said the part Dani highlighted together with his answer to me indicate that he probably is a very cocky player, presumable as either alignment. Can you confirm? Also still working on a follow up post on The Shining. | ||
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On December 02 2015 04:11 Damdred wrote: Kush is kush. He's a bit more lurky as scum but more cocky as town. His meta is easily interchangeable though... disfor are you my town buddy this game? That stuff on kush doesn't help me much, to be honest. xD Still feeling okay with where my vote is currently at though. Hm. I have a town lean on you and my pm says I am pretty damn town, too... so that could work. That being said I am currently not 100% on you. There is a certain thing you like to do as town and I very much like to townread you for it. It has been there a bit this game, but not to the extend that I would be comfortable giving you a full town read for, yet. Alsooo this question is kinda strange and a bit out of the blue? Is this a reaction test to see whether I should be part of your town hood circle thing? Cause it is pretty much an obvious buddying attempt? So slightly confused here. xD So I am not saying it won't happen, but I feel we both have to work a bit more to get this kind of relationship happening. | ||
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On December 02 2015 00:24 Half the Sky wrote: disformation, can you read into what Shining posted after your initial scumread of him? Do you still believe that is scum indicative? OMGUS I have seen coming from both alignments, so same question to you that I have for kushm4sta, can you tie in the hard self-defence with anything else? Is it just the hard self-defence or is it his subsequent statements to Palmar that you see as problematic? Also I can't see where you are trying to go with Damdred v Trfel either, but that was the last post you made before going to bed. Tried to follow up onto the Trfel/Damdred earlier, hope that did help you. Now looking at The Shining's filter for his posts after my read on him. At first he still only talks about Palmar untill he decides that Palmar pissed him off enough to ignore him. I think his tone is pretty town in the later part of this exchange. After that he proceeds to do a bit of stuff, which I generally like. But a few things leave a bit of an aftertaste. The townlean he gives you for pointing out something in Fidei86's post he also disliked feels a bit "easy" and in his later read post he has this to say about me: On December 01 2015 10:00 The Shining wrote: Disfo's early responses to Trfel were relaxed and his posts seem to be natural so he's a slight townlean. He also seems to be fleshing out his suspects before he scumreads them(saying he isn't a fan of me so far, I had better posts last game but not scumreading me. Asking Damdred to explain his read on Trfel) so it looks like he wants to get good reads, not just jump on easy suspicions. If you look closely at the second part... isn't that basically the same as not reaching a conclusion and keeping your options open? xD Normally I get scumread for stuff like this. xD But then we were both town last game, so maybe he has lowered standards when it comes to me and conclusions. On the other hand he could also try to alleviate my suspicions on him by giving me a town lean? Then he proceeds to fight with Palmar some more. Even coming back from being afk a few times. So I am still not a fan. I think his tone is rather town, but I really want him to do some more stuff other than fighting Palmar, since the other stuff he has done so far doesn't rock my world. That being said I wasn't a huge fan of his D1 last game either, but slowly started to like him starting the second part of D2. So while I wouldn't call him town, I also don't want to lynch him atm, since I feel he will be easier to figure out if he gets a bit of time to post some more. Plus I like where my vote is atm more than I would like voting The Shining. | ||
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Then probably going to look into James, Dani and Rels unless I get distracted by some new posts. | ||
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On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote: What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that. | ||
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On December 02 2015 06:12 Palmar wrote: Like if he's mafia, he either would have argued, or made up an excuse and left. Because he is town, he wanted to leave but was drawn back to the thread repeatedly just to see which stupid shit I was saying at that time. I think this is legit. Let's not kill him. Huh... kinda makes sense, but I'd still prefer for him to do some scum hunting. :p On December 02 2015 06:13 Palmar wrote: Also, screw this shit, call them Fidei and HtS. I really cba with multiple naming standards. Fair enough, will stop it. On December 02 2015 06:20 Palmar wrote: Does anyone know how to make moosy not be terrible? Well, if you throw votes at him he might try to martyr or get modkilled. He voted himself D1 last game, when he was scumread for throwing about a few controversial reads, but couldn't be arsed to explain them. He also was the Vigilante. So in short: nope. | ||
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Well, he was commenting on the actual discussions and trying to reach conclusions on the involved players. But I agree with Rels that his progression/read on Trfel seems very strange. Like I am not even sure if he has a town or scum read on Trfel at the end. So I'd like him to come back and explain this. He also DID respond to The Shining's questions... but I don't really agree with that: On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote: In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. While I agree that cluttering up the thread or drowning out certain stuff on purpose is a strategy for scum and not good for town to do, but the comment on only posting strong read is a bit confusing to me. Like if people don't post their reads, and sometimes you just don't have amazing reads on a certain person or something, how is town going to figure out people's alignment? A dead thread with no information is super bad for town. So I rather have a lot of information than not enough information to figure out the game? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I'd like him to explain this part a bit more as well, since it does not make a lot of sense to me. The filter also looks a bit like putting in the least amount of required work.. but would fit well if he really thinks town should post very little. Though that could easily be disguise. Only things I kinda like in his filter are the reads on Palmar and The Shining and Palmar is not a hard read to make at this point imo... So yeah, scum lean. | ||
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